M-FM XXIV Civilization Gamethread

[Instagram]

This is bullshit. 5 games from now people will be like "remember that game where that guy fake claimed sheriff"

So we revealed a TPR and are probably locked into a no lynch.. Why did you pull this so late in the day Instagram? Really. How did you see this as worth it? You could have at least picked a player people had a scum read on.

Quizip's reaction is exactly why I waited, it needed to be believable into get the appropriate reaction testing. The test went flawlessly all that is left is to interpret the results.

[Flappy Bird]

This should have been done 3 or 4 hours ago.

[Fall Down]

I agree entirely, I think I spotted a few slips in the last will, but I will need to review it further to be sure. I do want to be clear now that I have retracted exactly the purpose of my claim. Since the beginning of the game, I feel that he has been producing subpar ideas, but he seems to be quite a brilliant individual given his attempt to aid town, I felt that it was mandatory to play a gambit on him in order to more effectively assess his alignment. This gambit has provided me much needed insight into his motives.

On a glance from his Last Will the things that stand out to me are that he noticed my soft claims. I also suspected this prior, but I was uncertain. The last will guarantees this, as such it is necessary to assume that he had the last will prepared ahead of time not necessarily because it is true, but because he knew I would claim.

Second thing that strikes me as odd is his choice of night actions. I don't understand why he would doubt that the actions had occurred when it was vouched for by BOTH Tapatalk and vine.

The third thing that irks me is why he didn't push harder on me. I understand he has been tunneling me quite profusely, but given that he noticed my softs, it seems ridiculous that he wouldn't out me as an imposter and cause a him or me scenario. If he truly is a Coroner that does soften it a little bit, but I think a 1 for 1 trade is as much as a coroner could hope for, and with a good strong argument against me it wouldn't have even been that.

Anybody else have any other thoughts?

I see your point, the thing is without the safety of a claim, its his word against yours and atm Im really favouring him despite the coincidinces.

[Clash of Clans]

-vote Fall Down

Is Clash the only sane person here?

No scumreads were around to gambit on, that was a good gambit imo. You think scum would risk that much just to get a role claim out of someone that's insanely talkative

If Instagram were scum it would be worth it to finish off Cut the Rope now and get rid of her since then she'd be town

The only reason I'd buy Instagram scum is if he expected a peaceful claim and retracted due to the coroner claim instead, but that's so incredibl contrived of a plan for scum to false-claim like that

Please stop voting Instagram, we are going to mislynch a fucking peaceful again. Can we please vote Fall Down or Angry Birds or Temple Run >.>


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[Instagram]

Oh, and I'm glad to have created a legacy. Honestly, like I said I still haven't decided on Cut The Rope, but I feel like I have generated enough of a wave for us together to be pretty certain of his alignment. My motive was to protect against having warmonger town leads, as in my experience scum have to lead town in order to succeed.

Anyways now that the gambit is over, I was extremely comfortable with either a Flappy Birds or a Temple Run lynch for today.

[Quizup]

Thank you. We should be lynching Instagram's ass for that shit. I'm sorry but the damage to town was insane. I gained nothing from that except now you all SEE what a liar Instagram was. I called them out on the investigative shit early. Don't you see why now?? *facepalm*

Oh and I'm about to rip that bullshit argument to shreds Instagram.

Stop. They are not scum. Look, I get it, you feel unfairly attacked and now you're reacting. But the gambit makes no fucking sense for scum and makes a lot of sense from town. Realize that, and realized that Fall Down scumclaimed during it. Ok?

[Clash of Clans]

We have 2 apparently afk votes on Angry Bird that are stuck there (Kik + Fruit Ninja)

We have Quizup and me on Fall Down

Flappy Bird please move your vote from Instagram

[Clash of Clans]

Cut the Rope the only damage done was your Coroner claim. That's not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things, scum will likely not kill you as they are searching primarily for investigatives and protectives

[Clash of Clans]

@Instagram

That would have been Words with Friends then

You need to vote someone already

[Cut the Rope]

@Clash -- I AM AN INVESTIGATIVE YOU IDIOT. I get blocked last wills and determine dead scum actions.

I agree entirely, I think I spotted a few slips in the last will, but I will need to review it further to be sure. I do want to be clear now that I have retracted exactly the purpose of my claim. Since the beginning of the game, I feel that he has been producing subpar ideas, but he seems to be quite a brilliant individual given his attempt to aid town, I felt that it was mandatory to play a gambit on him in order to more effectively assess his alignment. This gambit has provided me much needed insight into his motives.

On a glance from his Last Will the things that stand out to me are that he noticed my soft claims. I also suspected this prior, but I was uncertain. The last will guarantees this, as such it is necessary to assume that he had the last will prepared ahead of time not necessarily because it is true, but because he knew I would claim.

Second thing that strikes me as odd is his choice of night actions. I don't understand why he would doubt that the actions had occurred when it was vouched for by BOTH Tapatalk and vine.

The third thing that irks me is why he didn't push harder on me. I understand he has been tunneling me quite profusely, but given that he noticed my softs, it seems ridiculous that he wouldn't out me as an imposter and cause a him or me scenario. If he truly is a Coroner that does soften it a little bit, but I think a 1 for 1 trade is as much as a coroner could hope for, and with a good strong argument against me it wouldn't have even been that.

Anybody else have any other thoughts?

First of all -- I can't deny or refute that without com-claiming. So posting arguments my meta is like someone else is stupid. However I suggest you look at day fucking one interactions with Vine at the start.

And why the fuck would I announce I noticed your claims? Ooooh yeah...Instagram is a liar because they are fake claiming sheriff and have a scum read on me...That goes over really fucking well and more than likely result in this damn situation now.

The choice of night actions is explained. TapATalk if roleblocked wouldn't have had the chance to change their last will. The actions in last will are actions submitted goddamn it it doesn't mean they fucking worked. In this case they did so I dropped it and mentioned at the start of day three no feedback to keep the peaceful jig I was trying to hide.

And I did push hard on you. Every time at the beginning of the day since your claim I have said you are scum. Every fucking time when asked who is scum it's Instagram. No one paid any goddamn attention so I went to finding your fucking scumbuddies.

furthermore this explains why I didn't want to discuss production plans because A) It is stupid. B) I am a role that cannot follow it. I drop one to two happiness a night if there is a viable information need. I started doing World Congress to get the additional happiness when I thought town would sheep it again but NOOOOOOOOO NOW THEY LISTEN

@QUIZUP - I don't know if I'm sane anymore I think I'm in full on pissed mode.

[Instagram]

Stop. They are not scum. Look, I get it, you feel unfairly attacked and now you're reacting. But the gambit makes no fucking sense for scum and makes a lot of sense from town. Realize that, and realized that Fall Down scumclaimed during it. Ok?

Wait where?

[4pics1word]

-vote Fall Down

I think his reactions were fairly scummy regarding the gambit and he was leaning scummy on my list before already, so I don't feel uncomfortable lynching Fall Down. This will most likely be my last post for today, so I'm gonna park my vote here.

[Cut the Rope]

@Quizup - I'm so mad I can't hardly see straight. Explain it to me.

[Clash of Clans]

Town (11/14) [+1]:
Clash of Clans
Tapatalk
Candy Crush Saga
iFunny
Snapchat
Vine
Quizup
Cut the Rope
Flappy Bird
4pics1word
Instagram
[Kik]
?
?

Neutral (1/1):
Fruit Ninja

Doomsday (1/1):
2048

Mafia (1/4):
Words with Friends
{Bloons TD, Fall Down, Angry Birds, Temple Run, Piano Tiles, Kik}
{Bloons TD, Fall Down, Angry Birds, Temple Run, Piano Tiles, Kik}
{Bloons TD, Fall Down, Angry Birds, Temple Run, Piano Tiles, Kik}

Bright green is confirmed
Light blue is strong town read
Dark blue is weak town read (1 post or replacement)
Yellow/Red is nigh positive/confirmed
Violet is Process of Elimination pool of remaining players for each remaining slot

[Quizup]

Rope: Calm down. Take a step back. I'm trying to help you but you have to let me.

Instagram: He knew your result wasn't real. He even made a back up plan to lynch you toMorrow.

[Flappy Bird]

We have 2 apparently afk votes on Angry Bird that are stuck there (Kik + Fruit Ninja)

We have Quizup and me on Fall Down

Flappy Bird please move your vote from Instagram

-vote temple run

Fine. Like I said though. This should have been done hours ago and now we get speculation instead of a role flip.

Would you mind posting some kind of reasoning to a fall down lynch. Although I dont even know why I waste my breath asking you for reasoning at this point. I'm sure you will just ignore the question or give it a one liner.

[Instagram]

@Clash -- I AM AN INVESTIGATIVE YOU IDIOT. I get blocked last wills and determine dead scum actions.





First of all -- I can't deny or refute that without com-claiming. So posting arguments my meta is like someone else is stupid. However I suggest you look at day fucking one interactions with Vine at the start.

And why the fuck would I announce I noticed your claims? Ooooh yeah...Instagram is a liar because they are fake claiming sheriff and have a scum read on me...That goes over really fucking well and more than likely result in this damn situation now.

The choice of night actions is explained. TapATalk if roleblocked wouldn't have had the chance to change their last will. The actions in last will are actions submitted goddamn it it doesn't mean they fucking worked. In this case they did so I dropped it and mentioned at the start of day three no feedback to keep the peaceful jig I was trying to hide.

And I did push hard on you. Every time at the beginning of the day since your claim I have said you are scum. Every fucking time when asked who is scum it's Instagram. No one paid any goddamn attention so I went to finding your fucking scumbuddies.

furthermore this explains why I didn't want to discuss production plans because A) It is stupid. B) I am a role that cannot follow it. I drop one to two happiness a night if there is a viable information need. I started doing World Congress to get the additional happiness when I thought town would sheep it again but NOOOOOOOOO NOW THEY LISTEN

@QUIZUP - I don't know if I'm sane anymore I think I'm in full on pissed mode.

Lol, they didn't listen because you fought so hard against it. Anyways I kind of believe you now, because the weak night action coincides with the weak day ideas, indicated you are experienced, but lacking full perspective. The reason your night action was weak is that VINE CONFIRMED THE ACTION.. Vine indicated being lured and she would not have done that as either Warmonger or Doomsday Killer or Peaceseeker unless the feedback was in fact received. You wasted your night action, but I accept that and I consider you confirmed Peaceseeker.

[Quizup]

Flappy Bird: Are not reading my posts? I've told you why Fall Down is scum.

[Cut the Rope]

I'm getting a snack or something or water and cooling down for 30 minutes. I see how scum benefits a fuck ton from this gambit though. I.E. Negative happiness and is in danger of losing their kill. Instagram sacrificial lamb for getting a confirmed power role if scum knew I was a peacekeeper via Espionage. They have the people to spare.

Someone better have by then explained to me why the fuck we don't rake a player over the coals for that shit when I get back.

[Instagram]

Well, We dont have really roles in here we would need a coroner for like tailors, also if you are going to flip town, it confirms that Instagramm is scum (since previous stated there is no role that could derail him), you still can do a good lw, if you are actually town.

Oh my god, that's a wonderful point, Lynch Fall Down and if he flips warmonger check the Warmonger n2 kill it might explain the lack of last will?

[Fall Down]

Interesting that 4pics1word is showing up exactly now, just to vote me, someone want some vine?

[Clash of Clans]

There are 3 town and 3 scum left in the pink

2048 is most likely the Doomsday Killer, but there's an outside chance he's town
@Flappy Bird
What do you want from me? Quizup's posts about Flappy Bird are fairly spot-on

[Flappy Bird]

Sure. I could go for that. I was kind of seeing red at the time. Didn't read much of anything.

-vote Fall Down

[Instagram]

It would also explain the lack of blocked feedback n1!

-vote Fall Down

[Flappy Bird]

There are 3 town and 3 scum left in the pink

2048 is most likely the Doomsday Killer, but there's an outside chance he's town
@Flappy Bird
What do you want from me? Quizup's posts about Flappy Bird are fairly spot-on

Yeah. My bad. I was just throwing a fit.

[Clash of Clans]

Oh my god, that's a wonderful point, Lynch Fall Down and if he flips warmonger check the Warmonger n2 kill it might explain the lack of last will?

iFunny replaced at the start of the night he died in, his role would be ??? if cleaned also I think

[Clash of Clans]

@Fall Down

Time to claim. I'm not moving my vote no matter what you say or do if you wait til the last second to claim

[Clash of Clans]

You are at L-3. History said our noble mayor, should he show his face, will consider this fair for a hammer

[Quizup]

Sure. I could go for that. I was kind of seeing red at the time. Didn't read much of anything.

-vote Fall Down

Thank you.

[Fall Down]

Well, my claim is completly useless, because as i said as i came in the guy i replaced did nothing and with nothing I mean, he neither spended his production nor did he use his ability as Detective, due to that i can tell you literally nothing. Except that I have 3 happines and 10,5 production.
Also Im on a great disadvantage and dont really care if i die the thing is just, if you want to use the lynch on an investigative role.

[Clash of Clans]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Clash of Clans]

This is seriously ridiculous if you're the second TPR to have been totally AWOL and replaced

[Quizup]

I smell AtE bullshit.

[Clash of Clans]

I'd rather we not lynch Fall Down anymore. His role is provable...

Thoughts everyone?

Also now I'm wondering why Bloons TD came and threw a random vote then just disappeared (hint: not evn on a current wagon)

[Instagram]

I'm willing to risk it, how about you guys?

[Fall Down]

What is AWOL and AtE?

[Clash of Clans]

I smell AtE bullshit.

Appeal to Emotion how? I'm primarily concerned with the Detective claim. He could track Cut the Rope and be confirmed tomorrow...?

[Clash of Clans]

AWOL absent without official leave, military term, basically he just disappeared without notice
AtE appeal to emotion

[Instagram]

BTW, I totally love the Lynch all Liars policy was suspended for my case lol.

[Instagram]

Appeal to Emotion how? I'm primarily concerned with the Detective claim. He could track Cut the Rope and be confirmed tomorrow...?

Honsetly I just can't see 3 investigatives, and the meta dictates a sheriff. Let me break down why now that the information is no longer relevant.

[Quizup]

Except he's probably just an agent.

[Instagram]

Doomsday Killer: You have no detection immunity tonight. Production is halved.

I just don't see the relevance of this unless there is a sheriff, you know?

[Instagram]

Except he's probably just an agent.

I'd totally believe that.

[Clash of Clans]

I sense someone feigning ignorance in some way here. It could be a Costa Rica gambit, but I highly doubt that someone would take a game like this and be 0% serious, especially when the idea is anti-town. Reason it's anti-town, playing along with your game here, is because this gives mafia a clear shot on who to kill. In theory, a Mass RC could narrow it down significantly, but our TPRs would be gone before anything could actually be verified, leaving us with basically no night evidence.

@Quizup Fair enough, but I fail to see what exactly about this particular gambit/lie makes her town particularly.

@Fruit Ninja I've got a few problems with your FOS.
1) How does order point to Doomsday? I think it's a good idea to try and come up with the most logical buildings, and while I think Vine is going at it a little wrong by trying to say each role should build X building, I think she's fine trying to come up with the general concept.
2) You do realize there's a hefty price to pay for MLing, right? I find it kind of hard you can be that certain on someone to lynch with absolutely no night evidence when the price of failing is an extra life lost in addition to the ML in the first place.
3) If you want her lynched, then why didn't you vote her?

I agree that Doomsday has priority over mafia, but there honestly isn't much we can say to that right now. I mean Doomsday is freaking immune to pretty much everything at night so there isn't really a way to actively find him unless we deprive him of happiness somehow to make him seeable. And chances are we aren't gonna find two scum in one day, but yeah Doomsday takes priority if we do.

Fruit Ninja, you never responded to any of my questions.

All posted by predecessor. I could see a TPR point of view for all these

Fall Down can prove his role by tracking Cut the Rope, she's an outed TPR

Mafia and Doomsday might both kill the same one if they try to prevent this role confirmation (NOONE SOFT WHICH WILL KILL WHICH AT ALL PLEASE)

[Clash of Clans]

Except he's probably just an agent.

Wow I derped, I forgot the mafia have roles. Yeah ok

[Cut the Rope]

BTW, I totally love the Lynch all Liars policy was suspended for my case lol.

Oh honey if you believe the lynch all liars thing was suspended in your case *snaps fingers* You got another thing coming. I still think you're scum. Suicidal scum may be the best play if you are negative happiness or if scum knew I was the Coroner and was being so townie they couldn't do a damn thing.

However since town is still being fucking idiots about Instagram I will go with Fall Down since I at least see somewhat of a scum slip there.

-vote Fall Down

Yes I know it hasn't been 30 minutes but I'm getting tired of not being able to yell at Instagram.

Instagram -- What meta dictates a sheriff? Again this sounds like bullshit.

TAKE MY GODDAMN POST YOU STUPID BOARD...IF ONLY I COULD VOTE BOARD.

[Clash of Clans]

Everything confirms an Agent/Detective point of view imo

Where is everyone, it's like the 6 or so of us posting everything??

[Clash of Clans]

@Cut the Rope

Sorry, I think it wasn't going in because of me lol

[Quizup]

Clash: It wouldn't prove his role, as he or a teammate could easily be an agent.

Cut the Rope:

[Clash of Clans]

1 hour 50 minutes left in the day

Honestly the way this game is going, I'm fine with a hammer now. I just don't want it to go to no lynch

@Fall Down
In the event it goes to no lynch, you are tracking Cut the Rope. I don't care what your results are tmrw, if you don't track Cut the Rope you are being "policy lynched" by me