M-FM XXIV Civilization Gamethread

[Flappy Bird]

Left out Temple Run.

And if you do not mind- Could I get an FoS to go with that "he should die first" logic? (As I asked Quizup a page or two ago and he seems to have avoided the question on Kik)


Lets start using logic instead of acting like an insane mob..

[Clash of Clans]

No order to anything in that post beyond colors, so light blue town reads are not ordered etc

[Instagram]

-vote Cut The Rope

[Quizup]

Oh, that's what you were asking.

Honestly, Angry Birds is slightly more likely to be Word with Friends's scummate than Kik. Kik just happens to be the harder lynch.

[Bloons TD]

Thanks Kik.

My reading w/o adding day 1&2 analysis:

+ Attention toward game and helpfulness
- stubborn
- paranoid
- troll

Clash of Clans ++
Kik +
Quizup +
Flappy Bird +
2048 --

[Clash of Clans]

Cut the Rope, can you post soon please? It's been awhile and I think you were online when the day went up...

[Instagram]

[QUOTE=Kik;450538]First of all... FUCK YOU MAYOR FOR ENDING DAY 3 HOURS EARLY.

Flappy Bird- So... I had this really long post all typed up and ready to post yesterday responding to your analysis of me, and when I clicked "post" I was informed that the thread was locked and my post which I had now spent 30-ish minutes typing was gone... glares at Candy Crush Not really wanting to type up all that shit again, but also not wanting to forget about making the post/or remember to do it later, but forget all of my thoughts, I decided to retype it immediately. But as I'm rather frustrated at losing my previous iteration of this post, it might not be as clear/long/detailed, so forgive me if I miss some things. If you have questions I'll answer them. Here goes...
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I had one too, but its irrelevant now, but ya I agree that hammer was messed up.

[Clash of Clans]

Instagram, what are your thoughts on my colored reads? Which ones do you agree/disagree with?

[Bloons TD]

Popularity of Instagram:
Coc -
QuizUp +

Popularity of Cut the Rope:
Coc +
QuizUp +

Cut the rope would be a intuitively bad lynch.
I'd pay more attention in day1&2 chat about this one and Instagram.

However, does lynch one of the two help us to solve the other one out?
would the benefit out-weight the risk?

I ask this because I see votes are scattered everywhere.
The town must focus.

[Flappy Bird]

I would rather not kick a guy when he is down. The mayor knows he messed up. Lets try not to drag that bit out too much.

[Clash of Clans]

Popularity of Instagram:
Coc -
QuizUp +

Popularity of Cut the Rope:
Coc +
QuizUp +

Cut the rope would be a intuitively bad lynch.
I'd pay more attention in day1&2 chat about this one and Instagram.

However, does lynch one of the two help us to solve the other one out?
would the benefit out-weight the risk?

I ask this because I see votes are scattered everywhere.
The town must focus.

I can give a good analysis on Cut the Rope, but the definitive end of it depends on their posts for the first half of today.

I'd also much rather lynch a lurky player of the scumgroups. I'd be happiest with a lynch in {Angry Birds, Temple Run, Fall Down, Piano Tiles} right now

[Flappy Bird]

Popularity of Instagram:
Coc -
QuizUp +

Popularity of Cut the Rope:
Coc +
QuizUp +

Cut the rope would be a intuitively bad lynch.
I'd pay more attention in day1&2 chat about this one and Instagram.

However, does lynch one of the two help us to solve the other one out?
would the benefit out-weight the risk?

I ask this because I see votes are scattered everywhere.
The town must focus.

Votes will stay scattered and trains will be garbage until players back up their FoS' with logic on how a players words defines the motive of scum. Until this is a thing there can be no order or focus. I would encourage players to demand this logic of anyone asking for a lynch or casting a vote (Such as Quizup and Clash of Clans have done today)

[Flappy Bird]

I'd be happiest with a lynch in {Angry Birds, Temple Run, Fall Down, Piano Tiles} right now

I could go for a pressure vote on any of these players. But not a lynch as things are now.

[Instagram]

Instagram, what are your thoughts on my colored reads? Which ones do you agree/disagree with?

Well for obvious reasons I disagree with myself, but even from a perspective were I am not confirmed Peaceful. I disagree that I appear scummy at all TBH.

I disagree with 2048 being scum of any variety, and I am not convinced that iFunny is town, but other than that your reads align pretty nicely with mine.

I also wanted to share my last will from last night seeing as how it became relevant.

If you are reading this it means I made a serious misjudgment about how this night was going to perform, but just in case I am providing two pieces of information that should be critical to our victory.

First, I have to implore that you do NOT lynch Fruit Ninja if he failed to provide production and happiness, as the state of the game at the end of day greatly implicated a lynch on him if he failed to provide. I feel this would have provoked a significant temptation to perform no action making him a jester for an instant win. For this reason I urge production to be started the following night on the HUNGER GAMES, with the mandate that the gun be used on Fruit Ninja regardless of who receives it. This solves the Fruit Ninja problem with less risk.

Finally, I would like to provide an apology to vine, from post analysis I strong believed vine to be peaceful, but the evidence against him seemed insurmountable. I had toyed with the idea however of revealing that Tapatalk had softed as Doctor as it was the crucial defense in his case. I provided the survey in an attempt to gain perspective but the results were inconclusive. Sorry, Vine I believe you did really well, and I agree with a great deal of your analysis.

[Cut the Rope]

I got my feedback right at game open. Currently with RL friends. Trying to read during breaks in gaming. Hit and miss plan to be on between 11 and 1 am central. - - phone post

[2048]

How are you positive that Fruit Ninja is scum?

Has anyone received feedback that would confirm that Fruit Ninja is not flipped yet?

[Bloons TD]

Allow me to place a vote on angry bird for now to break the 1v1v1v1 voting board, because I somewhat think Coc's sense is reliable.

I'm still reading through day chat. Those building talks make me headache.

Not everyone contributed get the reward? only the highest ones get? Then If ETC were finished in one night, how many people were rewarded? Because I was clearly not rewarded for having happiness lower than calculated level. Or I'm calculating wrongly. Meh...need reread setup too... god damn it.

[Flappy Bird]

Well for obvious reasons I disagree with myself, but even from a perspective were I am not confirmed Peaceful. I disagree that I appear scummy at all TBH.

I disagree with 2048 being scum of any variety, and I am not convinced that iFunny is town, but other than that your reads align pretty nicely with mine.

I also wanted to share my last will from last night seeing as how it became relevant.

Zero bullshit- I think you are scum. FoS will come later : )

[Instagram]

Oh, and it REALLY REALLY sucks you guys didn't follow my plan for production, it was a strictly dominant strategy when you consider the peace of information in my last will.

[Bloons TD]

-vote Angry Birds

[2048]

I got my feedback right at game open. Currently with RL friends. Trying to read during breaks in gaming. Hit and miss plan to be on between 11 and 1 am central. - - phone post

Well what is your feedback?

[Instagram]

How are you positive that Fruit Ninja is scum?

Has anyone received feedback that would confirm that Fruit Ninja is not flipped yet?

You were supposed to be receiving feedback, so I made the assumption.

[Flappy Bird]

How are you positive that Fruit Ninja is scum?

Has anyone received feedback that would confirm that Fruit Ninja is not flipped yet?

Refer to 5 or so post I shot off yesterday on how his role is almost guaranteed to become scum aligned.

[2048]

You were supposed to be receiving feedback, so I made the assumption.

What was I suppose to be receiving feedback on?

[Clash of Clans]

Well for obvious reasons I disagree with myself, but even from a perspective were I am not confirmed Peaceful. I disagree that I appear scummy at all TBH.

I disagree with 2048 being scum of any variety, and I am not convinced that iFunny is town, but other than that your reads align pretty nicely with mine.

I also wanted to share my last will from last night seeing as how it became relevant.

iFunny flipped town already?
Not asking about my read on you, interested in your opinion of my read on other players

[2048]

Refer to 5 or so post I shot off yesterday on how his role is almost guaranteed to become scum aligned.

Yes,yes we heard you and disagreed. He wasn't scum at the time. We are trying to figure out if he is scum now.

[Bloons TD]

Oh, and it REALLY REALLY sucks you guys didn't follow my plan for production, it was a strictly dominant strategy when you consider the peace of information in my last will.

Ok, would you mind restate your construction plan with comparable advantage? It might help me chew the ETC and other building mechanic.

I'm wondering if ETC rewards were not distributed as intended then scums might actually have an upper hand.

[Instagram]

iFunny flipped town already?
Not asking about my read on you, interested in your opinion of my read on other players

For some reason I thought the disguiser didn't clean. So yes I suppose he can't have been the disguiser.

[2048]

I'm wondering if ETC rewards were not distributed as intended then scums might actually have an upper hand.

Were you referring to how it was suggested that certain roles receive the production bonus?

[Flappy Bird]

Yes,yes we heard you and disagreed. He wasn't scum at the time. We are trying to figure out if he is scum now.

He should never be considered 'not scum' which is my point. His win condition has a huge lean against the town and he should be treated as such. I do not care if this paints a target on my back for the DD. Until I am dead I will push for this slot to never be treated as a "Town asset" We need to look at him as a snake that will bite us when the opportunity comes up. Not "if"

[Instagram]

Ok, would you mind restate your construction plan with comparable advantage? It might help me chew the ETC and other building mechanic.

I'm wondering if ETC rewards were not distributed as intended then scums might actually have an upper hand.

Well the idea was that we would do the same thing with the World Congress that we did with the ETC and have peacefuls provide all 8 production, and Peaceseeker PR's provide a 4-4 split towards a wonder. This I assumed would leave the Warmongers getting the gun. But with the mandate that it be used on the researcher, they have NO BENEFIT of receiving the gun. So we could produce it to get the vest bonus without risking a Warmonger bonus kill.

[Bloons TD]

Were you referring to how it was suggested that certain roles receive the production bonus?

I saw Coc suggested it very early and the host said the highest person was random if there are multiple.
Oh I thought it was happiness... that is stupid.
So everyone contributed 4 becomes 4+2. And happiness remain the same depend on night action...I see.
Consider that it was build so fast, I guess almost everyone contributed for that 60 Production.
That might also help people skip building forge. hmm...

[2048]

He should never be considered 'not scum' which is my point. His win condition has a huge lean against the town and he should be treated as such. I do not care if this paints a target on my back for the DD. Until I am dead I will push for this slot to never be treated as a "Town asset" We need to look at him as a snake that will bite us when the opportunity comes up. Not "if"

He was not scum D2 because I confirmed him as not scum at the time. Things however, could have changed last night.

[Clash of Clans]

Allow me to place a vote on angry bird for now to break the 1v1v1v1 voting board, because I somewhat think Coc's sense is reliable.

I'm still reading through day chat. Those building talks make me headache.

Not everyone contributed get the reward? only the highest ones get? Then If ETC were finished in one night, how many people were rewarded? Because I was clearly not rewarded for having happiness lower than calculated level. Or I'm calculating wrongly. Meh...need reread setup too... god damn it.

I'd rather people vote for who they think is most likely scum. 48 hours is plenty of time to consolidate

[Bloons TD]

Well the idea was that we would do the same thing with the World Congress that we did with the ETC and have peacefuls provide all 8 production, and Peaceseeker PR's provide a 4-4 split towards a wonder. This I assumed would leave the Warmongers getting the gun. But with the mandate that it be used on the researcher, they have NO BENEFIT of receiving the gun. So we could produce it to get the vest bonus without risking a Warmonger bonus kill.

makes sense. I need to reread the warmonger stuff. brb.

[2048]

I saw Coc suggested it very early and the host said the highest person was random if there are multiple.
Oh I thought it was happiness... that is stupid.
So everyone contributed 4 becomes 4+2. And happiness remain the same depend on night action...I see.
Consider that it was build so fast, I guess almost everyone contributed for that 60 Production.
That might also help people skip building forge. hmm...

Tapatalk was nice enough to show us how much of a waste it would be to build a forge:

Buckle up ladies, because Tippensprechen isn't waiting till halfway through day 1 to inject serious discussion right into this thread's testicles.

Kick-ass Topic 1: Wonders
Wonders are pretty kick-ass and I'm adamant many of you are interesting in using them to compensate for your small... population. I believe everyone can agree that is it in the interest of peace to avoid wonder-sniping another peaceful(resulting in the loss of 25% of their production). The problem is that announcing that your plan to build a wonder would be down right retarded.

DO NOT ANNOUNCE THAT YOU PLAN TO BUILD A WONDER.
You might as well walk up to Hitler and show him your circumcised dick.


Kick-ass Topic 2: Day 1 Lynch
Detainers and Jailors are both nationally a lazy, do nothing people and can only jail a target on a no-lynch day. Lynches are sick nasty and history is my bitch as non-lynch days are extremely rare in older M-FMs and almost entirely found on the first day or in the endgame. If a Detainer is going to have a change to kill someone before his mid-game siesta it will have to be done tonight. During the interim between Day 1 and end game, if the Detainer survives, he will have the opportunity to build a school and gain another kill charge so he won't be impotent.

Kick-ass Topic 3: Helicopter Party
As a gesture of good-will and openness we should all drop-trow and wave our dicks around to show we have nothing to hide from each other.

Spoiler : You know what it is :

YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS

Kick-ass Topic 4: Forges and Factories
I crunched some numbers and for the first 6 nights, it is more efficient to forgo building a forge. First 7 nights for the Factory. In the below graph production used to build a forge is listed in red, production used to build a factory is listed in yellow.

A peaceful rushing a factory killed on or before night 4 will waste 100% of their production.
Peacefuls for whom happiness and action buildings are useless should jump straight to a wonder or international project.

Kick-ass Topic 5: Kick-ass Topic 3
Seriously, we should Helicopter.

[Bloons TD]

I'd rather people vote for who they think is most likely scum. 48 hours is plenty of time to consolidate

right, except I'm replaced in, otherwise I would vote 2048 for not being so helpful.
I need at least 24 hours to think a well analyzed read wall. Don't worry, I'm not a brainless sheeple.

[Instagram]

Cut The Rope is clearly most likely scum. Didn't you see the slip?

[Flappy Bird]

He was not scum D2 because I confirmed him as not scum at the time. Things however, could have changed last night.

He should never be considered 'not scum' which is my point. His win condition has a huge lean against the town and he should be treated as such.

I do not care what his current alignment is. That should never be a topic of discussion given that he is not town. To break it down further-
Towns best lynch would be the DD eliminating 1kpn
Towns second best lynch would be the red faction drawing down the vote block
Towns 3rd best action would be killing the confirmed non-town who has every reason to betray the town given the chance.

[2048]

I do not care what his current alignment is. That should never be a topic of discussion given that he is not town. To break it down further-
Towns best lynch would be the DD eliminating 1kpn
Towns second best lynch would be the red faction drawing down the vote block
Towns 3rd best action would be killing the confirmed non-town who has every reason to betray the town given the chance.

This. I'm trying to prevent a wasted lynch on one that may not even be a threat right now. We already know what he is, we can just take him out when(if) he flips.

[2048]

That and it seems Fruit Ninja might be distracting the Doomsday Killer.

[Flappy Bird]

This. I'm trying to prevent a wasted lynch on one that may not even be a threat right now. We already know what he is, we can just take him out when(if) he flips.

A lynched benign is better than a lynched townie. I am very open to other lynches which is why I have not castted my vote on the researcher yet.

-but-

If we lynch it should be with logical points. Not gut feelings and reads without reason. As I said before the only logical point of yesterdays lynch was the lure. There was not a single post by the entire town breaking down how that players actions showed his motivation as scum. It was a cluster fuck of "you fail" and "i think your ideas are dumb".

Lets learn from our history and back up what we say. If we can not come to a viable target we have a perfect fall-back lynch.

[2048]

A lynched benign is better than a lynched townie. I am very open to other lynches which is why I have not castted my vote on the researcher yet.

-but-

If we lynch it should be with logical points. Not gut feelings and reads without reason. As I said before the only logical point of yesterdays lynch was the lure. There was not a single post by the entire town breaking down how that players actions showed his motivation as scum. It was a cluster fuck of "you fail" and "i think your ideas are dumb".

Lets learn from our history and back up what we say. If we can not come to a viable target we have a perfect fall-back lynch.

From that point of view, we would need a list of actions now. Correct?

[Flappy Bird]

That and it seems Fruit Ninja might be distracting the Doomsday Killer.

What do you mean by this?

[Flappy Bird]

From that point of view, we would need a list of actions now. Correct?

CoC and Quizup came to something of a plan of attack. Although I am still demanding logic from Quizup on Kik and CoC on Templar.

But it sounds like you have something on your mind and I do love a coordinated town. What were you thinking?

[2048]

What do you mean by this?

Based of the deaths, DDK may have attacked those that were openly opposing the Researcher and wanted him lynched.

Well those in favor of keeping the Researcher alive for now could be the DDK themselves (like myself)
Those wanted him lyched could be Warmongers

[2048]

After all, the DDK wouldn't mind an ally when he is against 19 other players right?

[Quizup]

?

Angry Bird is an obvious scummate of Word with Friends from this post alone:

i was wondering if you would notice angry birds did the same thing as well. there have been a few people who miraculously have shown up and said "yup vine's scummy and should be the lynch" well after it was effectively decided.

He knew that Angry Bird's last minute barn was indicative of scum but didn't bring it up. Why? If Angry Birds is a townie, this would have allowed Word with Friends to set up an easy lynch down the line. Instead, he only agreed to having the same thoughts after Clash started pushing Angry Birds, in a bid for town cred in case of Angry Bird's scum flip.

[Clash of Clans]

A lynched benign is better than a lynched townie. I am very open to other lynches which is why I have not castted my vote on the researcher yet.

-but-

If we lynch it should be with logical points. Not gut feelings and reads without reason. As I said before the only logical point of yesterdays lynch was the lure. There was not a single post by the entire town breaking down how that players actions showed his motivation as scum. It was a cluster fuck of "you fail" and "i think your ideas are dumb".

Lets learn from our history and back up what we say. If we can not come to a viable target we have a perfect fall-back lynch.

...

I would say I'm sure Vine is town because of A and B, except for C.

A: High attention behavior D1
B: Had to have performed the night kill to have killed Tapatalk

C: Wants citizens to claim

A and B do not fit for Doomsdaykiller
A and B do not fit for the mafia member performing the kill (UNLESS had a role that didn't want to use a charge yet ex: disguiser)

[Flappy Bird]

...

Oh. You quoted me.. Does this mean you will finally answer that question of "Why you think Templar should be killed first?"