M-FM XXIV Civilization Gamethread

[Quizup]

I'm disappointed the lynch didn't go through. Let's see who checked in and didn't vote.

-vote FM Vine

Still think he's scum and as I mentioned yesterday, I think his flip will give us information about Fall Down's alignment as well. Plus, a number of other people suspect Vine so I don't think it will be too difficult for us to get the votes.

Oh, and nothing happened to me last night.

I need more detail.

-vote Fruit Ninja

Round 2.

[2048]

Why do you keep saying that Vines was repelled? Both the last will and Vine say they were lured.

[Vine]

which is why i'm thinking a mistake was made somewhere...the last will has precisely the opposite of what vine is claiming

Cultural
You are immune to the detriments of Unhappiness. At night, you may visit a player to display a painting, forcing them to stay at home if they visited you AND visit another player to discuss music tours in your country, forcing them to visit you. The person you lured will gain 1 Happiness and the person you repelled will lose 1 Happiness, regardless of whether or not the ability was successful. 3 usages.

No mistake.

*adamant*

[2048]

Vine's saying of being lured by Tapatalk seems legit. It's just that because Vine was lured to Tapatalk and Tapatalk die last night pins Vine as a Suspect of his murder.

[Quizup]

Actually.

-vote 2048

Welcome to my shit list.

[2048]

Actually.

-vote 2048

Welcome to my shit list.

Thanks for the smell.
Care to elaborate?

[Cut the Rope]

Moderators: Can you clarify the scientist's powers? Do they replace all feedback with the desired one or do they just leave an additional line of feedback?

Once the moderator gets back I'll think about what words and draw a diagram of possibilities here to see what happened. But my vote is definitely not going anywhere near Vine until I have at least a decent understanding of what happened. I still like FN/Instagram/Clash as better scum possibilities.

Vine -- If you really want to use leave your last will in case of a lynch would you please update it so that way it can be the most useful to town? And put it in spoiler tags as to not clutter up discussion.

[Fruit Ninja]

Wtf is apathy?

Also I never supported the idea for organizing our production.

[Quizup]

Fruit Ninja: Did you or did you not disappear when you were about to be lynched yesterDay?

[2048]

Wtf is apathy?

Also I never supported the idea for organizing our production.

-vote Clash of Clans

He has indeed been twist words around.

[Fruit Ninja]

And yeah I couldnt get to internet. I'm just happy I wasent lynched.

[2048]

Moderators: Can you clarify the scientist's powers? Do they replace all feedback with the desired one or do they just leave an additional line of feedback?

This sparked my interest, did you receive some kinda of feedback that you'd like to share?

[Quizup]

Thanks for the smell.
Care to elaborate?

You're playing so safe it hurts. Commit to some reads.

[Cut the Rope]

Apathy is an unconcern or general blase about something.
https://dictionary.reference.com/browse/apathy

Oh and lying is very unbecoming:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449434
That post implies a general acceptance of town should collaborate to build the wonder and who should spend the most production on it.

[Fall Down]

First off nothing happened to me last night

Now to read back up.

[Words with Friends]

2048 apparently vine was lured which makes cut the rope's analysis confusing

quiztap i think 2048 just did commit to a read

[Quizup]

Cut the Rope: You're going down the wrong track (it's the literal vs. figurative language thing again wrt to Instagram).

[Cut the Rope]

This sparked my interest, did you receive some kinda of feedback that you'd like to share?

I did an analysis of the night case and already explained why I thought a scientist may be in the mix. Depending upon the answer the moderators give it may be possible that Vine was hit by a scientist. I need the answer and time to do a proper analysis. The posts confronting Vine are confusing me so I want an answer to help clarify what is going on here.

Quizup -- Thanks for the suggestion. I'll take it under advisement. Right now I like Clash as my top scumspect right now and they aren't doing anything to change my mind that much.

[Quizup]

2048 apparently vine was lured which makes cut the rope's analysis confusing

quiztap i think 2048 just did commit to a read

Yeah, and it's a bad read that he doesn't backup. Do you see this post?

So Candy is confirmed town....might be good to have a doc on him.

This post is a scumclaim. I have almost never seen town summarize night info like that. Scum do it all the time. It's called Information Instead of Analysis (IIoA).

[2048]

This post is a scumclaim. I have almost never seen town summarize night info like that. Scum do it all the time. It's called Information Instead of Analysis (IIoA).

Lol, honestly this was my attempt at 'First Post' to let others know that I am here. As for IIOA, haven't you noticed most of my posts are considered IIOA?

[Quizup]

Cut the Rope: I think you have the right idea. Scum most likely split in opinions between planning and not planning in order to distance. However, you're targeting the more towny people in that group.

2048: Do you not realize that IIoA is a scumtell? Give me precise reads, please.

[Words with Friends]

quizup i only see that sorta thing as a woohoo or oh shit being a scumclaim, even then its weak. i strongly disagree with your scumread here.

[Fruit Ninja]

Does the lure aquired from researcher give happiness to the person you used it on?

Can it be used in addition to night abilitys?

[Quizup]

Fruit Ninja, I promise you you will be lynched if you don't shape up. Stop talking about mechanics and starting giving thoughts on players.

[2048]

Cut the Rope: I think you have the right idea. Scum most likely split in opinions between planning and not planning in order to distance. However, you're targeting the more towny people in that group.

2048: Do you not realize that IIoA is a scumtell? Give me precise reads, please.

Sir, precise reads are IIOA. Data is far better than opinion.

[Cut the Rope]

Quizup -- Again, reads are not my strong suit, math is. But based on the logic and how the plays are showing up I think Clash of Clans is still the best bet. I'm not really seeing how they are town after numerous arguments of what not to do, insisting on doing the wrong thing, and then trying to misinterpret the correct mathematics. I really haven't seen anyone make a decent argument as to why Clash is town either.

To be frank, I like using NK analysis (which is not done yet obviously) and mechanics analysis to get the most likely scum, then after that comes reads. Reads can be manipulated, people can be manipulated. Facts are very hard to manipulate and this game I think will have a way to give us a lot of facts to find scum.

[Cut the Rope]

Brb in 15-30 ya'll sorry.

[Quizup]

2048: No. I want you to analyze the thread and derive reads from it, then explain those reads to us. Are you capable of doing that?

[Fruit Ninja]

I don't like you.

-vote Quizup

[Quizup]

Cut the Rope: I know. Can you trust me when I tell you Clash is probably town and you should focus on the [2048, Fruit Ninja, Temple Run, iFunny] cluster?

Fruit Ninja: The feeling is mutual. I'm not asking for a lot here.

[King Terenas Menethil]

Will we be told by PM that we have +2 production/happiness or other bonuses?

If you're talking about the production bonus from contributing, players should already know if they have it or not based on their contributions.

Moderators: Can you clarify the scientist's powers? Do they replace all feedback with the desired one or do they just leave an additional line of feedback?

They add one additional line of feedback. They may also additionally erase all other feedbacks for a player. Happiness Level is not counted as a feedback, so the affected player will still learn it but they will receive no other feedback ("Nothing Happened").

Does the lure aquired from researcher give happiness to the person you used it on?

Can it be used in addition to night abilitys?

Nope.

Yes.

[2048]

2048: No. I want you to analyze the thread and derive reads from it, then explain those reads to us. Are you capable of doing that?

Maybe I am, maybe I'm not. But right now I'm not worried about what you 'want' nor care about how you feel about the way I play.

[Quizup]

And you don't care because?

[2048]

And you don't care because?

Because I'm not one to follow your every whim due to 'fear of being accused scummy'.

[Cut the Rope]

Cut the Rope: I know. Can you trust me when I tell you Clash is probably town and you should focus on the [2048, Fruit Ninja, Temple Run, iFunny] cluster?

Fruit Ninja: The feeling is mutual. I'm not asking for a lot here.

Backish -- may be a bit slower to post/reply ya'll.

Quizup -- So to be clear here, you're asking me to just trust you that you that Clash is town? Without any evidence and asking me to pretty much damn near buddy you? Don't get me wrong you're nice, but people can be manipulated like I said Quizup. I do and always keep my mind open, but until someone shows me SOMETHING that I can use to change my mind from a mathematical/logical progression the answer is no. I think you're probably town for the patience, people pushing, and dedication that you have, but at the same time I also think 2048 is town as well (but that is deteriorating the more they post nothingness). I could easily just ask for you to trust the evidence that I have. So I trust that you believe it, but I don't follow blindly.

2048 -- Your town stock is deterioriating rather quickly. There have got to be some things that you believe or contributions you can give. Saying you're maybe capable of that is bullshit. Everyone can do it, it's just a matter of how well it is done.

All/Hosts -- Thanks for the answers...Now another brief commercial break for Vine analysis.

[Quizup]

2048: Excellent, thank you. Welcome back to the town list. (Some reads would still be appreciated and I wish you would vote more, just to ego check me a little)

-vote Fruit Ninja

Cut the Rope: I don't really understand why you are singling Clash out over the others.

[Words with Friends]

quizup clash's play is distinctly anti-town in his production queue stuff, why are you so sure he's town?

[2048]

2048: Excellent, thank you. Welcome back to the town list. (Some reads would still be appreciated and I wish you would vote more, just to ego check me a little)

-vote Fruit Ninja

Cut the Rope: I don't really understand why you are singling Clash out over the others.

?!?!! What did I do that was townie?

*scratches head furiously*

You people are so confusing!

[Words with Friends]

quizup don't answer... i see it but if 2048 is naive we can get info from that

[Vine]

quizup clash's play is distinctly anti-town in his production queue stuff, why are you so sure he's town?

Why did the Warmongers and Doomsday Killer kill Tapatalk who, like... suggested similar things to Clash of Clans, unless they feel that Clash of Clans and Tapatalk are threats?

[Quizup]

quizup clash's play is distinctly anti-town in his production queue stuff, why are you so sure he's town?

Hi. I asked Cut the Rope this question because I want an answer from her. Please let the target of my question answer next time before you answer. It's called the Garcia rule, and it was first expressed here: https://www.fantasystrike.com/forums/...61#post-111565 I suspect I know who you are, which means you should already know this.

2048: I was reaction testing, to see if your nonchalant vibe held up. It did, you're town, moving on.

[Words with Friends]

quizup i didn't garcia cut the rope. i said clash has been anti town and asked you why u were so sure. that does nothing nor hints at an answer for cut the rope.

[Words with Friends]

Why did the Warmongers and Doomsday Killer kill Tapatalk who, like... suggested similar things to Clash of Clans, unless they feel that Clash of Clans and Tapatalk are threats?

how do i know

are you suggesting that i'm playing into a scumtrap vine?

[Words with Friends]

Hi. I asked Cut the Rope this question because I want an answer from her. Please let the target of my question answer next time before you answer. It's called the Garcia rule, and it was first expressed here: https://www.fantasystrike.com/forums/...61#post-111565 I suspect I know who you are, which means you should already know this.

2048: I was reaction testing, to see if your nonchalant vibe held up. It did, you're town, moving on.

dude, didn't i just say not to answer because then people can react that way

[Cut the Rope]

Based on looking at the mechanics and the N1 interactions, Vine is probably town. While it is still possible that a scientist power (assuming a scientist is in the game) was used on Vine, it matches up exactly with what the last will indicated, so my thought is probably no scientist use on Vine and that they are telling the truth.

Quizup
Clash is a top suspect for reasons already mentioned in the big long quote post AND
1) Their opening to try to get town to continue on a specific plan. With how soon it was after day break trying to convince town to continue to do something stupid after several explanations why deserves a scum examination.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449751
This post here especially is bad because in Day 1 it was repeated several times by more than just me why plan coordination is bad and they still ask for it.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449720
They were awful eager to post no feedback. This to me looks like a planned strategy from the get go to plan it. If you got no feedback why is it so ultimately useful to town that it has to be in your first post? Again...doesn't really make sense unless planned or trying to get others feedback.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449724
His confrontation here seems VERY hypocritical.
Openly PR directing is a "bad" thing in their posts, but apparently wonder directing is a "good" thing..Doesn't compute.
And again more feedback prompting.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449728
Also some of these plans are just plain horrible.
Take the gun for example: If the person who has the gun announces who they are going to kill and its scum, then they'll probably get NK'd in the night. If it's town then of course by all means let the shot go through. If the Hunger games gets built and the person has a gun for god sake's don't telegraph who you're going to shoot. This plan is so pro scum I want to try to find where the goddamn neon sign is.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449738
I'm a strategist at heart, but exposing plans and then hoping to God we have a counter seems rather well stupid. Until some mafia are dead anyone posting any serious plan unless it is 100% foolproof looks more scummy in my eyes.

Do I need to go on Quizup?

[Kik]

I don't know how I can defend myself, so...

Last will:

Your reads are bullshit. First of all, I have 14 posts, yet you rate me as "not enough information" while ifunny, who has one post, you rate as "leaning town". And it wasn't even a long or particularly note-worthy post. He just sheeped the current lynch train, said "town should have a plan" and didn't post again until today.

Then, my favorite part, is that in your description of me you said I "buddied with fall down", which shows that you didn't even read my posts, since what I actually did was accuse him of being scum with you.

And your system is even further flawed because it seems to be completely arbitrary. You're confident that Quizup is the doomsday killer, yet he only gets "leaning scum", which is the same rating that angry birds got with only one post. Plus, 2048 commits essentially the same crime (many posts with little original content) and gets "strong scum". Why the double standard?

[Cut the Rope]

Why did the Warmongers and Doomsday Killer kill Tapatalk who, like... suggested similar things to Clash of Clans, unless they feel that Clash of Clans and Tapatalk are threats?

Vine I think that why TapATalk was a threat to both the SK and the mafia needs to be in someone's analysis. I think the heart of the question is good but the suggestions part is not. Too many people suggested plans for it to be the reason why TapATalk was a threat. I think one has to go back and look at what TapATalk did that made them the best target. What got both of their guns up? I don't know what that is yet, but it is a good question to think about.

[Kik]

I'm disappointed the lynch didn't go through. Let's see who checked in and didn't vote.

Actually, I did vote. It's right there in the quote, so...

I need more detail.

More detail... Ok, uh...

Nothing happened to me last night... AND I just ate dinner.

How's that?

[Cut the Rope]

Your reads are bullshit. First of all, I have 14 posts, yet you rate me as "not enough information" while ifunny, who has one post, you rate as "leaning town". And it wasn't even a long or particularly note-worthy post. He just sheeped the current lynch train, said "town should have a plan" and didn't post again until today.

Then, my favorite part, is that in your description of me you said I "buddied with fall down", which shows that you didn't even read my posts, since what I actually did was accuse him of being scum with you.

And your system is even further flawed because it seems to be completely arbitrary. You're confident that Quizup is the doomsday killer, yet he only gets "leaning scum", which is the same rating that angry birds got with only one post. Plus, 2048 commits essentially the same crime (many posts with little original content) and gets "strong scum". Why the double standard?

This is a very good logical post and I like the thoroughness of it, but I'm curious as to why you're looking at just Vine and not the people attacking them. Words with friends either made a mistake or an intentional prod of Vine. The reads were already established bullshit though so I don't know if this is adding anything extra. What is making you so sure Vine is scum other than a known liar in Instagram or someone like Clash? With the intro attack on Vine it almost seems like another mislynch attempt.

[Vine]

Role	Construction for N2
Chief	8WC
Speaker	8WC
Marshall	8WC
Sheriff	4WC
Investigator	4WC
Coroner	4WC
Cultural	8Wonders
Doctor	4WC
Secret Service	4WC
Lookout	4WC
Detective	4WC
Crafter	4WC
Filibuster	4WC
Jailor	4WC
Nuclear	4WC
Peaceful	8WC / 8Wonders

In my opinion, Peaceful do not need the extra 2 happiness. But if WC is to be completed tomorrow, help from Peaceful is needed.

Warmonger (role) might be aiming for New Eiffel Tower. Had contributed 6 production to it since night 1, I believe... if he did not, then we should compete for this wonder.

A designated Peaceful might want to aim for New Great Pyramids especially if you feel bored at night. Please claim that you are a Peaceful planning to build this, to prevent overlap, and so that scums will be forced to kill you instead of Town PRs.

Peaceful could get New Statue of Liberty too. Inform everyone if you plan to build this.

We should discuss if Town PRs should max happiness first or get Wonders.

Disguiser will complete School tonight. Might start disguising tomorrow night. We should be prepared.

*contributes*