M-FM XXIV Civilization Gamethread

[Clash of Clans]

The scumminess is strong with this one.

No one accused you of lurking. You made up that issue.

This, considering it's D1 with ~200 posts. At least on this Forum, it's hard to be seen as lurking this early. The self-awareness is strong indeed

[Vine]

We should, like... start with building this tonight.

World Congress -- 60 Production
Welcome a new age of international diplomacy! When the World Congress is built, everyone who contributed at least 4 Production will gain 2 Happiness. Top contributor will gain an extra vote.

Day revealing roles (Chief, Speaker, Marshall) should contribute 6 (max) production to try for the extra vote bonus.
Peaceseekers and Peacefuls should contribute 4 production to get +2 happiness.

For +2 happiness, World Congress is cheaper and faster than Residential Area (4 production versus 8 production; completion in 1 day versus 2 days)

Most Warmongers and Doomsday Killer will be forced to contribute 4 production to get +2 bonus too.
Only Warmonger (role) and Disguiser might not contribute any production.

[Vine]

Mmm...

ET->WC
+1 happiness, night 1, action + ET
0 happiness, night 2, action + WC
+1 happiness, night 3

WC->ET
+1 happiness, night 1, action + WC
+2 happiness, night 2, action + ET
+1 happiness, night 3

I think, like... ET is still preferable.

*blushes*

[Quizup]

What are you reads Clash? Why?

[Clash of Clans]

Idk. I've been keeping up with the thread via phone all day and I feel too lazy to reread. Also, D1 is incredibly unproductive here

[Quizup]

You claimed to have town reads on me and Instagram. Why is that?

Why are you voting for Fruit Ninja?

[Vine]

If we, like... start with ET:

Extraterrestrial Colonization -- 60 Production
Using salvaged Antebellum technology, scientists can continue to work on colonizing the Moon. When Extraterrestrial Colonization is successfully accomplished, everyone who contributed at least 4 Production will gain +2 Production per night. If Peaceseeker, Top contributor will be confirmed as Peaceseeker. Otherwise, nothing will happen. Top contributor will not be revealed in that case.

Lesser Peaceseekers (Coroner, Cultural) should contribute 6 (max) production to try for the day reveal.
No reason for Investigative and Protective Peaceseekers to aim for day reveal.
Other Peaceseekers and Peacefuls should contribute 4 production to get +2 production.
Warmongers and Doomsday Killer will be forced to contribute 4 production to get +2 bonus too.

*dizzy*

[Quizup]

Vine do something non-mechanicy so I can feel better about my town read of you.

[Vine]

Vine do something non-mechanicy so I can feel better about my town read of you.

Please wait until, like... day 2.

*insists*

[Quizup]

:/

Make it worth the wait.

[Fruit Ninja]

Vine you are aware that it doesn't reveal the role of the peacekeeper, it just reveals if they are a peacekeeper. A role that can defend itself should try for reveal, such as cultural.

Or at least hope that there is a jailor or protection role.

[Fruit Ninja]

Any non-confirmable role should try for top contributer

[Vine]

Role
	N1	N2
Chief	4ET, 2WC	~8WC
Speaker	4ET, 2WC	~8WC
Marshall	4ET, 2WC	~8WC
Sheriff	4ET, 2 RA	~4WC
Investigator	4ET, 2 RA	~4WC
Coroner	6ET	~4WC
Cultural	6ET	~4WC
Doctor	4ET, 2 RA	~4WC
Secret Service	4ET, 2 RA	~4WC
Lookout	4ET, 2 RA	~4WC
Detective	4ET, 2 RA	~4WC
Crafter	4ET, 2 ?	~4WC
Filibuster	4ET, 2 RA	~4WC
Jailor	4ET, 2 ?	~4WC
Nuclear	4ET, 2 ?	~4WC
Peaceful	4ET, 2 ?	~4WC

WC: World Congress
ET: Extra Terrestial
RA: Residential Area

*sweats*

[Vine]

Any non-confirmable role should try for top contributer

*gasps*

And, like... die to Warmonger? Only Lesser Peacekeepers should try for it, I insist.

Warmonger
At night, if you perform the factional night kill, you may use a charge to ensure that your selected target dies. If you use this ability, you will not lose or gain any happiness tonight. Furthermore, you are immune to Filibusters, Secret Service, Veterans, Witches, and pierce Doctors, jails, and vests ONLY when you activate your ability. Does not work on the Doomsday Killer. 1 usage.

[Quizup]

Vine you are aware that it doesn't reveal the role of the peacekeeper, it just reveals if they are a peacekeeper. A role that can defend itself should try for reveal, such as cultural.

Or at least hope that there is a jailor or protection role.

Hey Fruit, acknowledge my existence.

[Fruit Ninja]

Warmonger has a low chance of appearing does it not?

@Quizup hi

[Quizup]

Thank you. Now convince me you aren't scum, because you have 1.Third party hunting, 2.Self-awareness and 3.Obv!townie doubting for mechanical reasons working against you.

[Fruit Ninja]

I'm not scum, I promise.

I'm assuming that third party hunting means hunting for the doomsday killer, I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.

As for the self awareness thing I am merely notifying the town why I may not be there.

Also for the last one I barely understood what you you said sooooo....

[Quizup]

Yeah, that's not convincing. I'm going to take a couple minutes to write out the fullcase, alright?

[Fruit Ninja]

Aight then, hurry cause I have limited time.

[Quizup]

In the meantime, you could give some reads.

[Fruit Ninja]

Dem guests watching tho. I know that you guys are players I did that before. Now reveal yourself.

[Fruit Ninja]

K so I get town read from you and 2048. Kinda scum read from Vine. I will do more when I have access to a computer cAuse I hate making read lists with this damn kindle.

[Clash of Clans]

You claimed to have town reads on me and Instagram. Why is that?

Why are you voting for Fruit Ninja?

I remember you saying "X is town Y is town," without reasoning which I didn't really like as it's a weak way to buddy. However, coming back I saw you made a colored read wall. This flipped the "X Y" thing to a towntell for me, because it at least seems you were actively making true reads.

Something Fruit Ninja said earlier in the day while I was on my phone pinged me

[Fruit Ninja]

What did I say?

[Clash of Clans]

I could care less who we vote atm, because nothing is truely known about who is who.

-vote Vine

Sheep vote cause Vine is acting dumb.

Found it, I think it was pointed out multiple times already though.

First line implies a lack of care in power of vote/lynches, yet second is a vote, and third is that narrow balance between no justification and explained reasoning that typically pings me as lack of care/fake reasoning

[Clash of Clans]

Didn't know you could surf the web on a Kindle.

Why are you invisible Fruit Ninja?

[2048]

There tends to be a bias of those mainly looking for neutrals as being Mafia or general scum.

That's one of the reasons why Fruitty is being listed as scum.

[Instagram]

Oh god. Quizup is about to make a horrible mistake.

[2048]

Didn't know you could surf the web on a Kindle.

Why are you invisible Fruit Ninja?

Btw I'm invisible as well

[2048]

Invisibility tends to be a smart move for anyone playing a FM so that if you view the thread and decide not to post, it doesn't look bad for you as well.

[Instagram]

I'm invisible too, does that make me any less peaceful?

[Quizup]

Oh god. Quizup is about to make a horrible mistake.

Explain.

[Instagram]

@Quizup Maybe I'm crazy sworn you said you were going to write up a comprehensive read on Fruit Ninja, that is a terrible mistake.

[Quizup]

Why?

[Fruit Ninja]

Meh what can I say? I was tired and didn't care what happened.

@clash of clans yeah it's called silk.

[Quizup]

Sorry Instagram. I'm confident enough in my reads to push this forward and I expect the waves will make for some interesting things to analyze.

[Quizup]

Let's see.

Okay, for a plan I believe we should set prioritys on who to eliminate first.

1. Doomsday Killer
2. Killing Warmongers
3. Supportive/Manipulative Warmongers
4. Investigative Warmongers
5. Researcher

We should try and eliminate the Doomsday Killer as soon as possible, because if we kill the Warmongers first then the Doomsday Killer gets an extra kill.

Third party hunting is nice for scum because its something they don't have to fake and it's actually in their best interests to have the town kill third parties for them.

I don't have any throughts about anything else right now, so I'm just going to hang back 'cause my internet will prob go out soon.

Self-aware fluff and a excuse to lurk.

Before you modkill me keep in mind that I didn't actually edit the post, I just reviewed the post because you posted it.

Please don't kill me.

Excessive concern with staying alive. Hint: Town don't have to be alive to win. Scum find that much harder.

A few notes.

1. Soft claim for Peaceful
2. Something about this seriously disturbs me.

1.Explicitly talking about a peaceful claim that hasn't been confirmed is anti town.
2.Useless doubtcasting.

I could care less who we vote atm, because nothing is truely known about who is who.

-vote Vine

Sheep vote cause Vine is acting dumb.

A vote with the implication that you are not responsible for your actions, which allows you to get out of any pressure after Vine flips town.

Yo yo yo I'm back, gonna re-read through day chat and posts my thoughts in a bit.

More self-awareness, as if you're going to get lynched for your schedule.

Vine seems to be desiring order, more than anything else.

This makes me believe that she is either
1. The Doomsday Killer, and is attempting to single out targets in the most orderly way possible
2. Chief/Speaker/Marshall/Citizen, and is being an idiot.
3. Warmonger, and is attempting to single out targets so the rest of them can prioritize who to kill/target

Ordered in likely hood, from my believe.

Oh look, more third party hunting.

Because Vine is a potential threat to our day chat anyways I believe we should lynch her.

"I'm not responsible for this flip, guiz! Vine's a good lynch even if she town (which my earlier analysis actually points to ...)."

Those that build certain Wonders, are more powerful than others. It benifits the Doomsday Killer to kill that person.

@Snapchat, great minds think alike.

However we also have to keep in mind that the Warmongers have the potential for FIVE different night actions each night. Including night kill.

Killing off at least two mafia and the doomsday killer should be our priority.

Useless speculation and buddying of Snapchat. (Snapchat gets town points for calling you on this.)

Then there's more setup speculation and a random call for activity from 4pics1word.

Hello again, I'm sitting at safeway right now so I can still participate in the game.

If It seems like I'm lurking its because I can't fuckin get too internet, I want to make that very clear.

I'm gonna read through chat now

More selfawareness.

Then there's the fact that you just seem to ignore every accusation and question you don't like. I'm ... not actually sure what to make of that.

[Instagram]

I thought I'd already explained it, but here goes again, a comprehensive read on him right now WILL NOT result in a lynch. If he is in fact Warmonger it can only benefit him. If he is a peaceseeker it will undermine your credibility again benefiting the Warmongers. Have patience and all will be revealed in time.

[Quizup]

K so I get town read from you and 2048. Kinda scum read from Vine. I will do more when I have access to a computer cAuse I hate making read lists with this damn kindle.

You should probably explain why.

[Instagram]

Oh god, I was too late.....

[Quizup]

...

You have some of the most bizarre evaluation I've ever encountered. How will it not get him lynched?

[Instagram]

This discussion is no longer relevant, as it can no longer serve a purpose the debate is over.

[Quizup]

I would like to continue the discussion because I don't understand how your evaluation can be so off.

[Fall Down]

I thought I'd already explained it, but here goes again, a comprehensive read on him right now WILL NOT result in a lynch. If he is in fact Warmonger it can only benefit him. If he is a peaceseeker it will undermine your credibility again benefiting the Warmongers. Have patience and all will be revealed in time.

How? If pressure is put on scum that's bad for scum lol.

[Quizup]

I want every yellow read to ask a another yellow read a question.

[2048]

I want every yellow read to ask a another yellow read a question.

Lol, so are they just to be defined as colors now? Might as well just number us xD.

Sorry, got a kick out of this one. I assume you are trying to promote activity and get some information flowing with this technic?

[Kik]

I want every yellow read to ask a another yellow read a question.

What does that accomplish? Asking questions does not meaningfully contribute to the discussion. In fact, it does the opposite: It gives the appearance of contribution while actually providing none. In the best case, the question gets someone else to contribute to the discussion by answering it, but any idiot can just ask other people questions. I would also posit that simply instructing others to "ask more questions" falls into this category as well, perhaps even more so, since now you're not even generating the questions being asked.

[Kik]

I thought I'd already explained it, but here goes again, a comprehensive read on him right now WILL NOT result in a lynch. If he is in fact Warmonger it can only benefit him. If he is a peaceseeker it will undermine your credibility again benefiting the Warmongers. Have patience and all will be revealed in time.

...the fuck are you trying to say?

[Kik]

...the fuck are you trying to say?

translation for brits, in case any of them are in the game:
u wot m8