M-FM XXIV Civilization Gamethread

[Quizup]

quizup i didn't garcia cut the rope. i said clash has been anti town and asked you why u were so sure. that does nothing nor hints at an answer for cut the rope.

I ask Cut the Rope why she was going after him, and then you explained why he's scum to me. How is that not a garcia?

I'm not feeling the anti-town argument for Clash, but I'll let him defend himself for now.

Actually, I did vote. It's right there in the quote, so...



More detail... Ok, uh...

Nothing happened to me last night... AND I just ate dinner.

How's that?

Uh, wow. You missed my points completely. Maybe I'm just really bad at getting them across?

I'm not saying you didn't vote; that was an unrelated thought. I'm asking for details on your read of Vine and the connection to Fall Down.

[Kik]

This is a very good logical post and I like the thoroughness of it, but I'm curious as to why you're looking at just Vine and not the people attacking them. Words with friends either made a mistake or an intentional prod of Vine. The reads were already established bullshit though so I don't know if this is adding anything extra. What is making you so sure Vine is scum other than a known liar in Instagram or someone like Clash? With the intro attack on Vine it almost seems like another mislynch attempt.

Where were the reads already called out as being bullshit? I must've missed it. I admit I've been skimming because I've been busy the last couple days. I'm hoping things will die down a bit tomorrow so I can read more closely and take more/better notes. In any case, I marked that post when I was skimming as something I wanted to go back and respond to, so I did. My instinct on WWF is that he just made a mistake, but I'll have to re-examine his posts to be sure. I am not necessarily sure Vine is scum, I am just suspicious of him because his "plan" yesterday was basically for everyone to claim. Though I'll admit it's unlikely that scum would be so brazen, it could could be a gambit to get us to follow that exact line of thinking to assume Vine is town and let him fly under the radar all game.

The last will of Tapatalk confirms that Vine was lured, so Vine may very well be one of the scum that attacked Tapatalk.

[Words with Friends]

vine stop it. that's not helpful. look at who is scummy and who isn't. plan discussions help scums.

quizup. saying clash has been anti-town is not a garcia. it doesn't answer why cut the rope wanted him dead. again, you dodged. why are you so sure he's town? all he does is setup spec.

[Vine]

-vote Cut the Rope

*suspicious*

[Words with Friends]

This is a very good logical post and I like the thoroughness of it, but I'm curious as to why you're looking at just Vine and not the people attacking them. Words with friends either made a mistake or an intentional prod of Vine. The reads were already established bullshit though so I don't know if this is adding anything extra. What is making you so sure Vine is scum other than a known liar in Instagram or someone like Clash? With the intro attack on Vine it almost seems like another mislynch attempt.

it was a mistake. i thought vine was repelled not lured hence my confusion. i'm starting to understand...

we know that both the SK and the mafia killed tapatalk so it's more likely vine is one of the two that appears to be the understanding


vine what are you doing?

[Quizup]

vine stop it. that's not helpful. look at who is scummy and who isn't. plan discussions help scums.

quizup. saying clash has been anti-town is not a garcia. it doesn't answer why cut the rope wanted him dead. again, you dodged. why are you so sure he's town? all he does is setup spec.

I already explain my light town read, dude: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449544

[Vine]

vine stop it. that's not helpful. look at who is scummy and who isn't. plan discussions help scums.

quizup. saying clash has been anti-town is not a garcia. it doesn't answer why cut the rope wanted him dead. again, you dodged. why are you so sure he's town? all he does is setup spec.

You could, like... read my last will. Scums killed Tapatalk who mainly posted about plans...

[Kik]

I ask Cut the Rope why she was going after him, and then you explained why he's scum to me. How is that not a garcia?

I'm not feeling the anti-town argument for Clash, but I'll let him defend himself for now.


Uh, wow. You missed my points completely. Maybe I'm just really bad at getting them across?

I'm not saying you didn't vote; that was an unrelated thought. I'm asking for details on your read of Vine and the connection to Fall Down.

I knew what you wanted. I was fucking with you because there really is no more detail to be had. I stated my reasons yesterday, and just repeated myself a bit in my last post- I have no intention of repeating myself a third time.

And here you go yet again trying to get someone else to talk in an attempt to buy yourself more town points. Why don't YOU give ME more detail, hmm?

[Cut the Rope]

VINE OMG! WTF?

Did I not just say that my scum radar would go up on someone who suggested plans like this goes up on my scum radar? SERIOUSLY...I have explained why these plans are bad with logic and math formulas and a few other people have and you still continue this. Right now please focus on scumhunting. Yes I openly admit I am trying to shut down suggested mass plans but again...This is NOT cool. Trying to manipulate the production into what you want or giving massive information to scum is a fucking horrible idea....PERIOD.

Please explain to me how the hell this is contributing. You need to scumhunt.

Quizup -- And I'm just putting out the information to the best of my ability. I accept that you aren't feeling it, but out of the people out there he is acting the most scummy. Instagram and Fruit Ninja haven't done much to sway me yet either, but Clash's opening is utter shit. Vine is also moving up in scumminess after not listening to town NUMEROUS times.

Kik -- Who the hell is WWF?
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449775 << First time reads were questioned
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449778 << Second time reads were questioned
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449780 << Third time reads were questioned
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449781 << Fourth time reads were questioned

So no one used the words bullshit but there were definitely a lot of questions/doubts over the reads.

But being lured doesn't mean anything about whether or not they attacked TapATalk. Based on the last will they visited, but for Vine your suggestion to be plausible that Vine could have been the one would mean either predisposition to know that TapATalk lured which I don't believe is possible in the mechanics or just pure luck.

[Words with Friends]

vine tapatalk had much more than that, particularly in his end of day post.

quizup nothing today changes that read? i mean by your standard anyone who votes is a slight town read. well they look bad if that person flips town so slight town read.

[Cut the Rope]

Quizup That townread just isn't working for me. I've already explained how a Vine/Clash tandem team is quite possible with that vote that you claim is townie. Right now to me the argument that Clash needs a hell of a lot more than that if I'm going to believe any of it. The main posts you have on Clash as town read I already refuted in day one as to why I like Clash as a scum read. I trust that you believe Clash is town but the more you just insist the worse this looks.

[Kik]

Kik -- Who the hell is WWF?
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449775 << First time reads were questioned
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449778 << Second time reads were questioned
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449780 << Third time reads were questioned
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449781 << Fourth time reads were questioned

So no one used the words bullshit but there were definitely a lot of questions/doubts over the reads.

But being lured doesn't mean anything about whether or not they attacked TapATalk. Based on the last will they visited, but for Vine your suggestion to be plausible that Vine could have been the one would mean either predisposition to know that TapATalk lured which I don't believe is possible in the mechanics or just pure luck.

Really? How was it not obvious to you that WWF = Words With Friends. I even responded directly to the part of your post where you asked about him... *facepalm*

Only two of the posts you linked actually sheds doubt on his reads. The other two are just correcting you by informing you that those are from yesterday and are not entirely current. So basically only one accurate post about it. And that post attacked a different aspect of his bullshit than mine did. So I don't think it would be accurate to say my post isn't new since even if the conclusion is not new, the thought process is.

And sure it does. If A forces B to target himself and A dies that night, I would say B is now pretty suspicious, wouldn't you? Same deal here. Especially given that it was a double kill, meaning an even greater number of scum are to blame.

[Cut the Rope]

Really? How was it not obvious to you that WWF = Words With Friends. I even responded directly to the part of your post where you asked about him... *facepalm*

Only two of the posts you linked actually sheds doubt on his reads. The other two are just correcting you by informing you that those are from yesterday and are not entirely current. So basically only one accurate post about it. And that post attacked a different aspect of his bullshit than mine did. So I don't think it would be accurate to say my post isn't new since even if the conclusion is not new, the thought process is.

And sure it does. If A forces B to target himself and A dies that night, I would say B is now pretty suspicious, wouldn't you? Same deal here. Especially given that it was a double kill, meaning an even greater number of scum are to blame.

Sorry about that. Yeah it's obvious now. But either way, the trust level I have for anything Vine says or does is practically useless right now. So that was a facepalm. I'm monitoring about 2-3 things at the same time as reading so I should probably slow down a bit.

I think there's 4 doubting the reads. We can agree to disagree but if at least 2 other posts before yours question the reads it's been pretty clear that the reads Vine had are either crappy if truthful or bullshit.

I will definitely give this some thought Kik. I appreciate you re-explaining.

[Clash of Clans]

-vote Clash of Clans

He has indeed been twist words around.

LOLWUT

Yeah no. Exactly where and how Have I been twisting words around? Because, plot twist. I haven't.

Sir, precise reads are IIOA. Data is far better than opinion.

Is this your stance because it's early D2, or your stance in general on playing forum mafia?

quizup clash's play is distinctly anti-town in his production queue stuff, why are you so sure he's town?

Anti-town because you don't like the suggested plan? Granted you replaced in and didn't get a chance to say anything D1, but what, I'm scum and came up with a scummy plan and pushed it til it was accepted? When it helps us way more than it helps scum?

Why did the Warmongers and Doomsday Killer kill Tapatalk who, like... suggested similar things to Clash of Clans, unless they feel that Clash of Clans and Tapatalk are threats?

Because Tapatalk's posts were indicative of a strong player + pretty towny? I iso'd a couple players last night and he was one I pegged as town

Role	Construction for N2
Chief	8WC
Speaker	8WC
Marshall	8WC
Sheriff	4WC
Investigator	4WC
Coroner	4WC
Cultural	8Wonders
Doctor	4WC
Secret Service	4WC
Lookout	4WC
Detective	4WC
Crafter	4WC
Filibuster	4WC
Jailor	4WC
Nuclear	4WC
Peaceful	8WC / 8Wonders

In my opinion, Peaceful do not need the extra 2 happiness. But if WC is to be completed tomorrow, help from Peaceful is needed.

Warmonger (role) might be aiming for New Eiffel Tower. Had contributed 6 production to it since night 1, I believe... if he did not, then we should compete for this wonder.

A designated Peaceful might want to aim for New Great Pyramids especially if you feel bored at night. Please claim that you are a Peaceful planning to build this, to prevent overlap, and so that scums will be forced to kill you instead of Town PRs.

Peaceful could get New Statue of Liberty too. Inform everyone if you plan to build this.

We should discuss if Town PRs should max happiness first or get Wonders.

Disguiser will complete School tonight. Might start disguising tomorrow night. We should be prepared.

*contributes*

World Conference helps scum a ton more than town. 3 happiness -> free night action depending on roles. Also the extra vote could end up in the hands of scum.

Why do you think it's better for a Peaceful to claim and build the Pyramids? Realizing scum know exactly who is building towards it

I don't like your proposals tbh

[Clash of Clans]

iFunny I can definitely see based on his post. He shows how he hasn't read much of the day at all based on the last sentence where he talks about the plan and then he votes Fruit Ninja. Tapatalk mostly right now because he likes iFunny's post by his attitude toward iFunny wasn't harsh like all the others that he gave post reads on. Showing buddying.

Looking through the end of D1, 2 players threw out semi-scum reads on Taptalk.

I'd say it'd be a real waste as scum to slip in a scumread on someone you're going to night kill. So Quizup and Snapchat are very likely not the Doomsday Killer.

This doesn't hold as strongly with mafia, since if either is scum, scummates could have just pushed a Tapatalk kill really hard and thus it happened. But it does reduce the liklihood of either as mafia imo as well.

[Clash of Clans]

Edit post #1 with links to Day starts/ends? Please and thanks!

[Words with Friends]

i've already said why your plan is antitown clash. it permits scum to get vests turning the sk into a threat only for us. prs cannot afford the production. we get a one shot gun in exchange for making the sk only hurt us. bad plan. if the sk dies, then building hunger games is much better and doing the dual lynch plan but not till then.

you also pushed making the extraterrestrial which is a sucky plan. conftowns should emerge later, not earlier and it allows scum to have free production if they anticipated the plan.

the timing of your plans do seem to benefit scum.


however i do agree that wc is not meant to be built immediately and that a peaceful outing to build a role isn't good.


i also don't care that all you do for the most part is setup speculation clash.

[Words with Friends]

and there's the ninja with something not setup speculation

[Clash of Clans]

Wow I think I skipped an entire page due to my phone browsing. Didn't even see Vine's claim.

I'm Peaceful.
Was lured.
Current happiness +2.

*disappointed*

Since you've claimed, explain your behavior D1 please.

[Clash of Clans]

i've already said why your plan is antitown clash. it permits scum to get vests turning the sk into a threat only for us. prs cannot afford the production. we get a one shot gun in exchange for making the sk only hurt us. bad plan. if the sk dies, then building hunger games is much better and doing the dual lynch plan but not till then.

you also pushed making the extraterrestrial which is a sucky plan. conftowns should emerge later, not earlier and it allows scum to have free production if they anticipated the plan.

the timing of your plans do seem to benefit scum.


however i do agree that wc is not meant to be built immediately and that a peaceful outing to build a role isn't good.


i also don't care that all you do for the most part is setup speculation clash.

and there's the ninja with something not setup speculation

Or you can chill and let me solve the game once players start posting? There's WAY too many players with <10 posts or at most <10 content posts

[Cut the Rope]

Right now I really want two votes. One for vine and one for Clash. Since programmatically I can't do that I'm keeping my vote on Clash but I really, really like a Vine/Clash team. The fake vote and none defense of it while arguing against the pressure vote that I had is a point for Vine scum/Clash team.

Vine's proposal has a claim that the Disguiser will finish the school tonight. Has anyone suggested or proposed that there is a disguiser? This definitely assumes facts not in evidence. I have hypothesized certain scum roles based on the actions of the town, but as far as I know no one has definitive proof of any scum role except scum.

Then there's Clash's rebuttal. He doesn't point out that it is another attempt at getting peacefuls to reveal which is what mafia and SK both want so that way more deaths occur. It's more what he is reubutting and how than a rebuttal. And the fact that they continue to discuss plans adds to my radar as well.

It looks very much like the serial killer killed TapATalk and a Vine pull.
And further more it looks like Clash is attempting to bus their partner and set it up in that manner as a reaction to the heat between the two.

I have to step away and I don't know if I'll be back tonight but my thoughts are Vine/Clash are both scum if I can't post further tonight.

[King Terenas Menethil]

Edit post #1 with links to Day starts/ends? Please and thanks!

Enact: Waypoints was passed. Its effects are now in place in post #2.
20 for Yea from Players
2 for Nay from Hosts

[Clash of Clans]

Right now I really want two votes. One for vine and one for Clash. Since programmatically I can't do that I'm keeping my vote on Clash but I really, really like a Vine/Clash team. The fake vote and none defense of it while arguing against the pressure vote that I had is a point for Vine scum/Clash team.

Vine's proposal has a claim that the Disguiser will finish the school tonight. Has anyone suggested or proposed that there is a disguiser? This definitely assumes facts not in evidence. I have hypothesized certain scum roles based on the actions of the town, but as far as I know no one has definitive proof of any scum role except scum.

Then there's Clash's rebuttal. He doesn't point out that it is another attempt at getting peacefuls to reveal which is what mafia and SK both want so that way more deaths occur. It's more what he is reubutting and how than a rebuttal. And the fact that they continue to discuss plans adds to my radar as well.

It looks very much like the serial killer killed TapATalk and a Vine pull.
And further more it looks like Clash is attempting to bus their partner and set it up in that manner as a reaction to the heat between the two.

I have to step away and I don't know if I'll be back tonight but my thoughts are Vine/Clash are both scum if I can't post further tonight.

You want me to post an exact thought-by-thought on why I voted Vine and then moved my vote?

Too bad. I'll post it later if I want to, but right now I don't.

Where in the fuck did peaceful revealings come into anything I've said?

I'm going to talk with you post-game on why not all public directing is anti-town, specifically with plans. Key point: production and PR directing are different.

Where the fuck does it seem like I'm "busing my partner"? Have I voted anyone yet? No. Where are you even coming up with this stuff??

Seriously, you have an incredible amount of confirmation bias in your posts. I'm not scum. Yeuch

[2048]

@Clash that is my general opinion to use IIOA in most forum games

@Vine why are you directing production again after we showed how it can hurt town?

[Clash of Clans]

Enact: Waypoints was passed. Its effects are now in place in post #2.
20 for Yea from Players
2 for Nay from Hosts

<3 for our glorious administrators! So players can out-vote hosts hmm...

[Clash of Clans]

FLAP FLAP FLAP FLAP FLAP FLAP FLAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FLAP FLAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FLAP FLAP FLAP FLAP FLAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP

I'm sorry that I -flap- didn't get on -flap flap- sooner; I've been -flap- problems with -flap flap flap- this site along with my entire -flap flap- browser -flap- recently, so I might not -flap- be as active -flap flap- as I'd like to -flap- be. I'll -flap- make a post with -flap flap- my thoughts about -flap- what's gone -flap flap flap flap- on so far soon, -flap-hopefully -flap flap-.

You did not make a post with your thoughts on what's gone on.

-vote Flappy Bird

[Clash of Clans]

@Clash that is my general opinion to use IIOA in most forum games

@Vine why are you directing production again after we showed how it can hurt town?

Can you define what you mean by 'information' and 'analysis' then? Are you saying you don't draw up reads at all, or just not this early on, or what?

[Vine]

World Conference helps scum a ton more than town. 3 happiness -> free night action depending on roles. Also the extra vote could end up in the hands of scum.

Why do you think it's better for a Peaceful to claim and build the Pyramids? Realizing scum know exactly who is building towards it

I don't like your proposals tbh

3 Happiness
Warmongers: You may carry out your regular ability along with the factional night kill.
Town Power:: You will not use up a charge of your ability tonight.
Peaceful: Production +1 per night.
Doomsday Killer: You learn the identity of the Researcher.
Researcher: You are immune to death by the Doomsday Killer.

At 3 happiness, will Warmongers use up a charge when they use their ability?
At 3 happiness, if a Warmonger used both regular ability and factional night kill, will they lose 1 or 2 happiness?
Will the player with the extra vote be revealed?

Won't affect Peaceseekers much in cases of Doomsday Killer and Researcher, if we build WC.

I'd say it'd be a real waste as scum to slip in a scumread on someone you're going to night kill. So Quizup and Snapchat are very likely not the Doomsday Killer.

Scums don't decide whom to kill so early, I think... most of the time, it is decided at night, after rereading the whole thread. So their behavior at day, like... will not tell us whom they plan to kill tonight!

*explains*

i've already said why your plan is antitown clash. it permits scum to get vests turning the sk into a threat only for us. prs cannot afford the production. we get a one shot gun in exchange for making the sk only hurt us. bad plan. if the sk dies, then building hunger games is much better and doing the dual lynch plan but not till then.

you also pushed making the extraterrestrial which is a sucky plan. conftowns should emerge later, not earlier and it allows scum to have free production if they anticipated the plan.

the timing of your plans do seem to benefit scum.


however i do agree that wc is not meant to be built immediately and that a peaceful outing to build a role isn't good.


i also don't care that all you do for the most part is setup speculation clash.

Please read the setup!

Peaceseekers can also get vests as long as we contribute 4 production. Warmongers can't finish building an International Project in 2 days. PRs actually can afford the vests (10 production) with 8 production per night. They can alternate between happiness buildings and vests. Peaceseeker getting a gun won't affect Doomsday Killer in anyway...

Scums don't need the production for vests from Hunger Games. Peaceseekers do. Getting ETC benefits Peaceseekers more.

Confirmed Peaceful is good since scum need to waste a kill to get them, and PRs can avoid wasting an investigation charge. The only thing Candy Crush Saga needs to be wary of is Disguiser.

[King Terenas Menethil]

At 3 happiness, will Warmongers use up a charge when they use their ability?
At 3 happiness, if a Warmonger used both regular ability and factional night kill, will they lose 1 or 2 happiness?
Will the player with the extra vote be revealed?

Yes.
2.
Yes.

[Vine]

Wow I think I skipped an entire page due to my phone browsing. Didn't even see Vine's claim.

Since you've claimed, explain your behavior D1 please.

It's posted in my last will...

Yes.
2.
Yes.

Clash of Clans please support my motion to build WC tonight.

[Instagram]

Hooray we have a confirmed Warmonger

-vote Vine

By this time the Sheriff is no doubt at 0 happiness so we need to complete the World Congress so he can keep investigating without suffering a penalty.

As before PR roles should go 4 Production - 4 Production. Peacefuls like me should contribute 8 to attempt to get the extra vote. I doubt any Warmongers put any production into it.

[Words with Friends]

vine hungergames sucks. if prs build vests plus happiness buildings then it turns wonders over to scums. hunger games is bad.

instagram, we do not even kniw if there is a sheriff. if there is then scum are likely drained on happiness as well.

also, scum biggest handicap is happiness they would build wc too if coordinated.

stop this planning nonsense that scum can plan around. see you tomorrow.

[Vine]

vine hungergames sucks. if prs build vests plus happiness buildings then it turns wonders over to scums. hunger games is bad.

also, scum biggest handicap is happiness they would build wc too if coordinated.

stop this planning nonsense that scum can plan around. see you tomorrow.

Wonders are mainly for Cultural and Peaceful, whom are independent of unhappiness, and do not depend on vests. Wonders are not for other PRs.

I've, like... showed that WC benefits Peaceseekers more than scum (#478-479). Town PRs need WC too, they are at 0 happiness tonight.

Scums had limited counters. In the end, planning provides more benefits for Peaceseekers.

[2048]

Is it true that Peaceseekers being it more from vests than Warmongers do. However I believe it still be best to let each individual decide what to produce, instead of directing everyone by a defined set of rules. Scum would have a harder time getting what they want do to not knowing what everyone is after.

However however, WC would greatly benefit TPRs with their happiness for night actions. Just to let individuals keep that in mind.


(Omfg why is tapatalk working in color?)

[Vine]

Scum would have a harder time getting what they want do to not knowing what everyone is after.

Like... what do scums want? Please suggest countermeasures. There are more town than scum after all.

*demands*

[2048]

Demands, demands.....

Scum may like a extra vote and the wonder powers

[2048]

The best counter measures are the lack if information. But it works before ways.

Oh and before I forget to answer the IIOA question; Information is facts and fact derived answers, while Analysis is opinion based on the given information. Just remember, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they stink. I care less about them.

[Vine]

Demands, demands.....

Scum may like a extra vote and the wonder powers

If we decided that only day-revealing roles should get the extra vote, it would be suicidal for scum to go for it.

Which wonder powers and how do they plan to use them?

*demands more*

[Vine]

The best counter measures are the lack if information. But it works before ways.

Why are you even posting then? Best counter measure against scum is, like... not to post anything.

*sarcasm*

[2048]

If we decided that only day-revealing roles should get the extra vote, it would be suicidal for scum to go for it.

Which wonder powers and how do they plan to use them?

*demands more*

Argh, I can answer that in 3 hours. I only have a few minutes to view and post per break.

[2048]

[Q UOTE=Vine;449884]Why are you even posting then? Best counter measure against scum is, like... not to post anything.

*sarcasm*[/QUOTE]
Guess I should stop posting then...

*pouts*

[Temple Run]

I don't know how I can defend myself, so...

Last will:

I call bullshit

Those "reads" are barely justified, those are just summaries of what happened yesterday + some colors to LOOSELY indicate what alignment he thinks they are.
also your "explanations" aren't strong enough, you are assuming that scum don't like newbies, but it is EASILY SEEN that your newbie-ness is faked

and since you indicated here that you faked your newbie-ness, I'm sure you're not a peaceful

-vote Vine

[Temple Run]

Hooray we have a confirmed Warmonger

-vote Vine

By this time the Sheriff is no doubt at 0 happiness so we need to complete the World Congress so he can keep investigating without suffering a penalty.

As before PR roles should go 4 Production - 4 Production. Peacefuls like me should contribute 8 to attempt to get the extra vote. I doubt any Warmongers put any production into it.

I think that vine is a warmonger too, but please explain why you said that he is confirmed?

[Cut the Rope]

-vote Vine

Temple Run
The case for Vine is three fold to me why they are confirmed scum, either mafia or SK.
1) The mafia and the Serial killer hit the same person. This strongly implies, since Vine got lured to TapATalk, that Vine is the player that did a kill order on TapATalk.
2) In their suggestions they said the Disguiser is almost done building the school. No had even suggested a Disguiser existed before that point, so IMO this is a scumslip.
3) If they are the serial killer, the attempt to draw out peacefuls early is way too obvious. That and the other person who claimed Peaceful is still alive (Instagram) makes it very unlikely that Vine is the serial killer but is very likely mafia scum.

2048
Good for stopping feeding the very likely scum. Although I am disappointed that since you could be back in 3 hours there's not more activity or a poke or a prod or something for you to check back in the am. Scum wins when town quits posting, so if you are town like I think you are, then come out to play some more.

Clash of Clans Response to: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449867
No I don't want a response of your thought by thought. It'd be more bullshit.
The peaceful revealings was in what Vine suggested and that you did not notice or counter same with the scumslip of Disguiser. It's like you are trying to look like you are stopping a bad plan as much as possible without pointing out the most obvious dangerous flaws. Like trying to build town cred without damaging scum too much. This usually occurs right before a bus.
Sure you're more than welcome to talk to me about why that type of planning is useful post game, but in this case with these mechanics it is one of the most damaging things I can think of. As I said earlier, when there is less mafia and ability to counter then it might make sense. It's like a mass claim. It has to be timed correctly. Right now is a horrible time. It's a very bad idea.
And it seems like a prep to bus your partner. The fact you are getting defensive instead of sticking to your guns and saying "I believe this, fuck off" is another tell. Furthermore, your vote on Angry Birds is more than likely another random vote to try to get discussion going. For the two days and almost 500 posts you don't have any other better suspects. Bullshit. This looks like you felt pressured by me saying it was a bus.

So far the only thing half way valid about those posts is potential confirmation bias. Confirmation bias doesn't make it wrong though. And again there's a lot of evidence here. The arguments written as to who is scum and why you are not, need to be written to convince other people to follow you. Not a "I'm right, you're right" devolving. I'm putting my ideas and logic out on display and if people follow them they do. I'm pretty confident in town's ability to think for themselves and do the right thing.

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For everyone here, we really need to make sure to get a lynch in today. Vine is probably one of the clearest safest lynches there is for reasons stated. Since the days are extremely short, we need to absolutely have a lynch today. For those of you on Clash of Clans or considering Clash of Clans scum I'm asking you to come over to Vine. While I like them both equally as scum, Vine has more votes and more mechanics driving this. I understand that the lack of player activity is really hurting us right now, so as town we need to adjust for that. For those of you actively posting and not voting Vine, it is my clear expectation that I want reasons why you are not voting for a player that is almost mechanics confirmed to be mafia or the serial killer, refuses to post decent reads, and trolls the thread constantly. Yes I understand Fruit Ninja wasn't lynched yesterday, probably due to player inactivity, but day 1 lynches are almost always town in every game. Once we lynch the more likely scum, then we can come back and re-evaluate Fruit Ninja. Let's come together and do the right thing for town.

[Cut the Rope]

Instagram

Nice of you to join us. I'm curious as to why you are still alive.
At first you claim peaceful and run with it. Then you at the end of the day say you're going to "investigate" me through the night. If it was a power based investigate, why didn't mafia take that as a soft claim and try to kill you? If it was a generic promise to investigate, why didn't the serial killer attempt to kill a claimed peaceful. The more death helps the serial killer, so even if the first claim was false and the second true, they'd still gain a lot. Having you alive is boggling my mind right now.

Again it'd also be really nice if you can explain where the Sheriff has zero happiness from too. There's no guarantee any specific role followed the plans here and no prior plans of discussing the Sheriff. A majority, as evidenced by the numbers, but the only person who definitively contributed in Candy Crush Saga. I'm still pissed off as fuck that we actually built that over night. It's way too soon.

It's also mighty goddamn convenient that you drop your whole "investigate Cut and Run" during the night and are not prodding me. This should get a big from players here.

So explain.

[2048]

-vote Vine

2048
Good for stopping feeding the very likely scum. Although I am disappointed that since you could be back in 3 hours there's not more activity or a poke or a prod or something for you to check back in the am. Scum wins when town quits posting, so if you are town like I think you are, then come out to play some more.

Soooo sorry... Came home to take a shower instead of post right away <.<;

Anyways:

If we decided that only day-revealing roles should get the extra vote, it would be suicidal for scum to go for it.

Which wonder powers and how do they plan to use them?

*demands more*

Pretty much all Wonders provide scum with something. New Great Pyramids could help them secure trust within the town as well as intel. However town would get more of the benefit if we got it.
New Statue of Liberty is more powerful to mafia than town because they know who their allies are. We don't.
New Eiffel Tower is great for disguiser and nuclear(well not sure about great for town on that part..) as well as any other PR in general.
New Stonehenge is well... situational..

But pretty much any wonder that scum can deny town is good for them and vice-versa. Thought that was kinda obvious, you even said so yourself.

[2048]

Instagram(snip) If it was a generic promise to investigate, why didn't the serial killer attempt to kill a claimed peaceful. The more death helps the serial killer, so even if the first claim was false and the second true, they'd still gain a lot. (snip)

Why would the sk even want to kill a peaceful? Night killing a peaceful is bad for the sk. It means a lesser chance that a peaceful will be lynched during the day.

[Cut the Rope]

Why would the sk even want to kill a peaceful? Night killing a peaceful is bad for the sk. It means a lesser chance that a peaceful will be lynched during the day.

I was trying to explain that I don't believe that Instagram is a peaceful. Instagram's claim to be a peaceful with the threat to investigate me doesn't jive up. If they are a peaceful then they still get more death which is helpful for their win-con.

[2048]

I was trying to explain that I don't believe that Instagram is a peaceful. Instagram's claim to be a peaceful with the threat to investigate me doesn't jive up. If they are a peaceful then they still get more death which is helpful for their win-con.

I'm still trying to understand what you mean when you say 'more death'

[Instagram]

Instagram

Nice of you to join us. I'm curious as to why you are still alive.
At first you claim peaceful and run with it. Then you at the end of the day say you're going to "investigate" me through the night. If it was a power based investigate, why didn't mafia take that as a soft claim and try to kill you? If it was a generic promise to investigate, why didn't the serial killer attempt to kill a claimed peaceful. The more death helps the serial killer, so even if the first claim was false and the second true, they'd still gain a lot. Having you alive is boggling my mind right now.

Again it'd also be really nice if you can explain where the Sheriff has zero happiness from too. There's no guarantee any specific role followed the plans here and no prior plans of discussing the Sheriff. A majority, as evidenced by the numbers, but the only person who definitively contributed in Candy Crush Saga. I'm still pissed off as fuck that we actually built that over night. It's way too soon.

It's also mighty goddamn convenient that you drop your whole "investigate Cut and Run" during the night and are not prodding me. This should get a big from players here.

So explain.

Uh, I thought it was obvious why I was still alive, I already claimed peaceful so seriously I am like the last person that the Warmongers would have targeted.

As for the assertion that the Doomsday Killer would target peacefuls. I have no idea how that logic, at this stage in the game the Doomsday Killer wants to kill Town PRS just as much as the Warmongers .

As for the Sheriff having 0 Happiness why don't you take a quick glance at the rules and answer that yourself. Keep in mind that the Sheriff obviously took a night action last night, and it would be ridiculous not to spend production the EC last night so if we don't agree to build the WC tonight then it means the Sheriff has to build the Residential Area and can't work on either wonders or get the bonuses from helping Hunger Games.