FM XXI: Day 5

[Old FM USA]

I don't like how Brazil is buddying Libya and USA yesterday and buddying me today. Suspicious!



Host please post Libya last will. You sure Libya submitted his?



Maybe vented.



Perhaps. And whose fault you think it is?

can you come up with a list of possible vent/ghost targets on poland and egypt to see if it makes sense?

[Old FM USA]

yesterdays code:

myphoneisagalaxy
fuckapple

stsspduuxgbdwbno

today's code: tjuhjkere

[Old FM Cyprus]

Since it's day 5, I think now is a good time for all investigative PRs to claim and give their feedback. We should be able to narrow down the suspect list with 4 nights of investigations.. Stupid Egypt never told us his n3 target.

With the number of remaining PRs... not sure if it is a good idea. Too many citizens remaining.

From the start I wanted to lynch lurkers and citizen claimers. But no... you masons stopped me from doing so. And even chastised South Korea for killing lurkers.

Does mass murderer erase last wills? I can't see the bullet points in the role cards.

If not, why would you think mm?

Can't be MM. Confirmed SK.

[Old FM USA]

if we can account for the double kill on china, then it doesn't rule out MM

[Old FM USA]

frankly, it would make more sense.

[Old FM Cyprus]

can you come up with a list of possible vent/ghost targets on poland and egypt to see if it makes sense?

Wat. Nobody has yet to claim vented yesterday. Unless it's Egypt or Libya, it's scum.

Poland can't be vented two (or three) days in a row.

[Old FM Brazil]

libya was killed by a mass murderer. that is the only explanation.
where the fuck is his last will. i'm serious.

If that is the case, then Libya was visited by mass murderer or Libya went to someone who was not at home and was killed.
But according to Russia's response, Libya stayed at home.

However, isn't it weird, only one death? So mafia went on vacation or double hit Libya?
If so, What did libya do to get that attention?
Libya wasn't a great town leader in any sense, unless Libya guessed something right.
And who else could have been killed by Mass murderer and had no last will?

FM Australia - Consigliere - Died Night 1
FM Pakistan - Detective - Died Night 1
FM New Zealand - Ghost - Died Night 2
FM Italy - Mayor (King Aelle) - Died Night 3
FM France - Citizen - Died Night 3
FM Libya - Mason - Died Night 4

If mass murderer is the case then pick at least one victim each night, assume there were outrageous many double hit.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Can't be MM. Confirmed SK.

Unless lawyer. Russia can you confirm that Libya indeed has last will?

[Old FM USA]

If that is the case, then Libya was visited by mass murderer or Libya went to someone who was not at home and was killed.
But according to Russia's response, Libya stayed at home.

However, isn't it weird, only one death? So mafia went on vacation or double hit Libya?
If so, What did libya do to get that attention?
Libya wasn't a great town leader in any sense, unless Libya guessed something right.
And who else could have been killed by Mass murderer and had no last will?

FM Australia - Consigliere - Died Night 1
FM Pakistan - Detective - Died Night 1
FM New Zealand - Ghost - Died Night 2
FM Italy - Mayor (King Aelle) - Died Night 3
FM France - Citizen - Died Night 3
FM Libya - Mason - Died Night 4

If mass murderer is the case then pick at least one victim each night, assume there were outrageous many double hit.

see:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post438813

[Old FM Russia]

Libya wasn't vented, vents don't have access to mason chat and he posted the code we agreed on from it. I did suspect Egypt being vented/ghost possessed though.

[Old FM Cyprus]

If that is the case, then Libya was visited by mass murderer or Libya went to someone who was not at home and was killed.
But according to Russia's response, Libya stayed at home.

However, isn't it weird, only one death? So mafia went on vacation or double hit Libya?
If so, What did libya do to get that attention?
Libya wasn't a great town leader in any sense, unless Libya guessed something right.
And who else could have been killed by Mass murderer and had no last will?

FM Australia - Consigliere - Died Night 1
FM Pakistan - Detective - Died Night 1
FM New Zealand - Ghost - Died Night 2
FM Italy - Mayor (King Aelle) - Died Night 3
FM France - Citizen - Died Night 3
FM Libya - Mason - Died Night 4

If mass murderer is the case then pick at least one victim each night, assume there were outrageous many double hit.

Mason cannot visit...

[Old FM USA]

did egypt claim lawyered? if he didn't and theres a lawyer, it proves he was vented/ghosted yesterday.

[Old FM Brazil]

did egypt claim lawyered? if he didn't and theres a lawyer, it proves he was vented/ghosted yesterday.

Lawyer stole last will? I thought they would rather edit it. Especially if the case come to a Sheriff Claimer.


Lawyer
Action: Target one player at night, permanently changing their last will.

Limited to 3 living players with altered last wills.
You may be sent for the nightly factional kill.

[Old FM Cyprus]

did egypt claim lawyered? if he didn't and theres a lawyer, it proves he was vented/ghosted yesterday.

Do you understand that with vented+lawyered, we will have 8 mafia... we can kiss cult good bye.

[Old FM Brazil]

see:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post438813

A lot death were day time death. You also put MM killing tag as you wished. I think it is much better leave it open.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Mass Murderer
Action: Target one player at night, killing everyone who visits them.

Immune to attacks, including poison.
Immune to Sheriff investigation.
Roles and lastwills are cleaned if only one person is killed.
Must wait 1 night between sprees (2+ kills in 1 night).

Fucking stop wasting time with lousy hypothesis.

-vote FM Poland

I don't trust him one bit. Not to lynch him. But to force him to talk.

[Old FM Cyprus]

FM Germany
FM India
FM Switzerland
FM Thailand

These guys should post more. That said, yes I'll support Germany lynch if Poland show up and lead.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Don't think Germany is citizen.

[Old FM USA]

/derp

-vote FM Germnay

[Old FM Brazil]

These guys should post more. That said, yes I'll support Germany lynch if Poland show up and lead.

What about Costa Rica and Sweden?

[Old FM Germany]

I found a mafia.

-vote FM Germany

lol. I don't know what poland would gain from misslynching me.

-vote Fm Poland

[Old FM Japan]

Well, first of all i dont believe we have either sk or MM, to less killing at night (with vigi were it 2, now only poison and 1 night kill). Then I got no feedback tonight and im going to pressure Germany, too.

-vote FM Germany

[Old FM Costa Rica]

nothing happened to me

first of all: egypt was definitely ghosted yesterday. there's no way he would conceal being poisoned + he didnt solve his fucking code. and that even after he followed my tips and put efforts into it so his code is good.

i also suspected there being lawyer after egypt's lack of lw. I WANT EVERYBODY TO WRITE A LAST WILL and it should contain something that confirms it's the real last will (code or role with night actions etc). if you have a last will, write in day chat that you have one. this way mafia can't delete them without anyone noticing.
the obvious night actions would be: n1 pakistan n2 no one (rb?) n3 egypt n4 lybia

n1 there was a missing kill, obvious would be the assumption that the killer was roleblocked. usa and cyprus are the only ones alive, usa was rbed again. cyprus was witched twice. i'm positive cyprus is our poisoner

fm sweden is scummy as fuck, probably a neutral killer too.

mm theory is bullshit, mm cleans role. there is still no vent, just ghost.

poland is probably legit sheriff. germany is the obvious target for a framer. but germany is very scummy indeed. so scummy that he might be jester too. not sure about him
but since it can clear poland

-vote FM Germany

comitting treason but the nazi regime must die

[Old FM Costa Rica]

also:

UNICODEUTF
ASCIILATINONE
UFKKWOENBS


new code:
NQCRVDT

[Old FM Cyprus]

I think Kenya, USA and Brazil fake voted Germany.

Those who fully trusted Poland for lying about being attacked healed and tailored are scummy...

[Old FM Cyprus]

What about Costa Rica and Sweden?

What about them?

[Old FM Costa Rica]

attacked and healed was probably drugged. suit was real. i think we have a tailor

[Old FM Cyprus]

attacked and healed was probably drugged. suit was real. i think we have a tailor

...

how many starting mafia and how many left.

[Old FM Cyprus]

...

how many starting mafia and how many left.

Then Brazil is team with Poland. Cult or mafia team?

[Old FM Russia]

Ok, time to try something to get peoples attention since they are soo blind to post analysis.

I'm Sheriff! Poland is Mafia!

[Old FM Cyprus]

Ok, time to try something to get peoples attention since they are soo blind to post analysis.

I'm Sheriff! Poland is Mafia!

Sigh... if you didn't lie yesterday my analysis would be correct. And I deleted it. Time to retype...

[Old FM Costa Rica]

Ok, time to try something to get peoples attention since they are soo blind to post analysis.

I'm Sheriff! Poland is Mafia!

you claimed mason.

[Old FM Costa Rica]

that's retarded

[Old FM Cyprus]

that's retarded

A biased post. CR believed Poland but called Russia retarded. CR team with Poland Brazil.

[Old FM Costa Rica]

A biased post. CR believed Poland but called Russia retarded. CR team with Poland Brazil.

the sheriff claim is retarded. you just buy it?

[Old FM Cyprus]

the sheriff claim is retarded. you just buy it?

Then answer my question first. How many mafia and roles?

[Old FM Cyprus]

Graveyard Tailor analysis:

Unlikely to be tailored:

FM Australia - Consigliere - Died Night 1 (Vigilante kill)
FM Pakistan - Detective - Died Night 1 (Mafia/SK kill, but no reason to tailor as Detective; there are better choices)
FM Greenland - Beguiler - Sacrificed Day 2 (Softclaimed Beguiler in last will)
FM China - Doctor - Died Night 2 (Mafia/SK kill, but no reason to tailor as Doctor; there are better choices)
FM New Zealand - Ghost - Died Night 2 (Vigilante kill)
FM Norway - Blacksmith - Sacrificed Day 3 (Fits claim before being lynched)
FM Canada - Ninja - Died Night 3 (Vigilante kill)
FM South Korea - Vigilante - Died Night 3 (THE Vigilante)
FM Italy - Mayor (King Aelle) - Died Night 3 (THE King)
FM Egypt - Sheriff - Died Day 4 (Fits claim before dying)
FM Libya - Mason - Died Night 4 (Fits claim before dying)

Likely tailored:

FM England - Consort - Died Day 3 (Perhaps Operator as claimed in last will)
FM France - Citizen - Died Night 3 (Then Iran is scum, but a waste of tailoring)
FM Poland - Alive (Claimed tailored)

[Old FM Argentina]

My priority lynches are: India > Germany > Poland

India and Germany are posting the bare minimum per day to keep from being mod killed, contributing nothing to town. Can't read a scum if they refuse to talk.

Poland is acting extremely suspiciously, maybe it an act to keep scum from targeting him at night, but I doubt it.

Because we are quickly approaching the 6hours remaining mark I will vote for the one of those three with the most votes on them presently.

-vote FM Poland

This is likely a last ditch attempt at Poland to collar a mafia in hopes of securing a false sheriff claim. Not that I mind lynching Germany, even with Poland's scummyness I still consider Germany a higher lynch target. Though Poland is most certainly scum, while alive he is providing useful information such as Brazil's buddying.

-vote Germany

[Old FM Cyprus]

To me, it's more like someone is butthurt that Egypt guessed a scum correctly, and he didn't. Selfish play in detriment to town. LVP material.

[Old FM Costa Rica]

Then answer my question first. How many mafia and roles?

i'm gonna copy and paste that part of my lw

[...] this makes it pretty likely we have actually a tailor. if that's the case i would say england was town (tailor n2 action), det was some other town role (n1 action) and poland was suited n3 (and attacked healed drugged. n4 no info yet)


mafia roles:
beguiler (dead)
consig (dead)
tailor (possible targets above)
framer (n2 korea; if poland isn't lying)
drug dealer (n1 rb drug n2 witch drug n3 attacked and healed drug n4 witch drug)
lawyer (n1 pakistan n2 no one n3 egypt n4 lybia)


neutrals: witch, sk, toxi, ghost, ninja

hidden roles:
hidden non town: toxi, sk, witch, ghost
hidden any: 2-3 mafias, ninja, some other neutral and/or a town

[Old FM Costa Rica]

To me, it's more like someone is butthurt that Egypt guessed a scum correctly, and he didn't. Selfish play in detriment to town. LVP material.

what do you mean

[Old FM Cyprus]

i'm gonna copy and paste that part of my lw

Pakistan is some other town role (N1). Retarded waste of tailoring. Faking dead Detective will make other scum (neutral killer in particular) lower their guard, and risk getting caught by the real Detective. So no. Furthermore, what do they intend to achieve faking dead Detective?

England is Operator (N2). Agree, quite likely.

Poland was suited (N3). Why would they keep him alive then? So that we trust Poland less. Massive waste of a suit. Better drug it, which brings question to attacked and healed.

what do you mean

Directed to certain "someone".

[Old FM Cyprus]

Since if there is a tailor and there is only one suit left, I'll tell you: perhaps they should tailor Culted roles.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Since if there is a tailor and there is only one suit left, I'll tell you: perhaps they should tailor Culted roles.

Based on Mafia starting roles, they should know well enough whether there is Cult or no Cult. If no Cult, fake existence of Cult.

Since they didn't do this, I can easily rule out a few players as Mafia.

[Forum Mafia GM]

If killing roles are culted, will their attack/poison go through the same night?

Yes

[Old FM Cyprus]

Gotta sleep early today because of some event tomorrow. I'll be late tomorrow but will be able to change my vote to the main train before day ends.

[Old FM Argentina]

This is likely a last ditch attempt at Poland to collar a mafia in hopes of securing a false sheriff claim. Not that I mind lynching Germany, even with Poland's scummyness I still consider Germany a higher lynch target. Though Poland is most certainly scum, while alive he is providing useful information such as Brazil's buddying.

-vote Germany

Whoops forgot the FM

-vote FM Germany

[Old FM Sweden]

I'm so scummy that for the past few days you have mentioned it but not once taking action on it. You must not be confident Costa Rica that or just really bad at reading people. Either way you are completely wrong.

Why would Russia wait this long to try and counter claim sheriff on Poland to get him lynched unless its to stall the vote on Germany. I cannot see any other reason as to why he would take this course of action. If anything this attempt at late ccing only makes me believe Poland more and would have caused me to vote Germany if I hadn't already had a vote on them. It's just incredibly fishy.

[Old FM Germany]

wouldn't surprise me if poland was poisoned last night and he is just using this as a last attempt to cause a misslynch.

[Old FM Costa Rica]

you leave me no choice

I'm Sheriff! Sweden is Mafia!

-vote FM Sweden