It is a shakesbear.
When we talked about pubs, we are talking about us.
When they talked about pubs, they exclude themselves.
They say only bad players want to modify citizens, and they do not satisfy bad players.
Are we bad players? We include bad players, but that is just a part of us.
---They put veteran, mayor, allowed jester to visit for nothing, and they regretted and say those things are brainless.
Oh god, why are all of those people scum? Did you just put all of your favorite people and make them scum? Things like this will usually end up in a huge failure.
Anyway, I replaced in with someone who is going to get replaced out anyway. I did pretty lousy when I came in Day 2, It was like trying to stop an enormous speeding train with broken brakes. After that, I did alright. When Slaol announce that I will be the first one to replace someone, I felt that when I replace in, everyone will know it's me.
Some COMs are painfully obvious such as Mai's Mother aka Orpz, and Warden (Prison Rig) aka Ika. Other than that, town did pretty well.
speaking of COMs, Zuko's random period in the middle of the sentence gave him away
Spoiler : Orpz FM History :
i'm not talking about the starting mytown, but the remaining mytown at the end of the game. that has nothing to do with the setup but with how landslide the town's victory was. balance was ok imo.
oh and mytown has no problem with multiple factions. but for remaining mytown 1 kpn should be used, even if there were once more
well i wouldn't call it rage, when i rage it's definitely different. i just went omgus on some ppl.
hiding info from town or even lying/making gambits is in general ok if it helps the town. if i had revealed, i would have lost zuko's trust and even worse, the trust of the town. this may need some discussion
what about night actions? still not clear what happened n1 with encourage and what happened with the encouraged disguiser
When we talked about pubs, we are talking about us.
When they talked about pubs, they exclude themselves.
They say only bad players want to modify citizens, and they do not satisfy bad players.
Are we bad players? We include bad players, but that is just a part of us.
---They put veteran, mayor, allowed jester to visit for nothing, and they regretted and say those things are brainless.
Boo Ika I thought you knew the Avatar. I knew it was Chit Sang when he said his lover was a Citizen converted n1
Spoiler : Orpz FM History :
Never publicized a google doc before. Let me know if there's any errors.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...rive_web#gid=1
Last edited by Slaol; March 31st, 2014 at 04:49 PM.
ONTO POST GAME DISCUSSION:
so about me almost getting lynched. i agree that the omgus was a bit exagerated, but at this point it was just necessary for me personally because i was so annoyed about managing to trick zuko just to get lynched because i did this afterwards. there was really no other reason for my lynch. also the rest of my defense was quite solid and reasonable i think, though i actually lost hope of preventing the mislynch and surviving the day long ago (after you still thought i am scum when i explained why i lied in jail with my first d3 post)
I always keep in the back of my mind of almost any possibility, thats why i was still suspicious of orpz for the entire game, but at the same time if all the flips were true, it wouldn't matter. I have played many other games and seen so many unusal things that you never know.
I have seen almost every maneuver pulled from bussing to distancing, so i keep every possiblity open
you may say now town wouldn't have a problem with getting lynched, but i think this is bullshit. townies are responsible to some extent to not get mislynched (and other townies are responsible too to not mislynch him). if they get mislynched it hurts town which is against victory condition, there are only limited mislynches allowed.
agree with latter part (some extent o not get it), however mislynches are sometimes needed to get new information. the way you went around acting all survivalistic when town was in prime and could afford it was kinda unhelpful.
sure, townies don't have to try as hard to not get lynched as the scum, which is scums primary goal while town's is to find the scums. but townies should contribute and defend definitely. or don't you blame in sc2 for example a sheriff who doesn't roleclaim on trial and gets lynched.
gonna state this now, sc2 mafia=/=fm mafia
i think it was more how you again, acted survavaistic about your lynch as a citizen, as a pr i could see otherwise but as a citizen (who kept jailor info out), could see a scum flip
other then that i just don't WANT to be mislynched, that's part of my personality.
personalist i can understand, but for the town, sometimes its best to say "if you dont believe me lynch me" sometimes being lynched is the best option as well becasue it solidifies your position
On this- we received specific prefer from 4 people. Only 1 of them was met.
Raptorblaze requested Zuko and received Azula.
Citrus requested Fire Nation and got Cabbages.
Apache requested Aang and obviously did not get it.
Damus_Graves requested "not town" and ended up as Zuko.
day 3 was literally hilarious
Spoiler : Orpz FM History :
I MVP'd, right?
Orpz, because of you one night I dreamt that Ronnie Coleman was my workout buddy. It was pretty great.
Spoiler : Accolades :
remaining rolelist according to epilogue:
Aang
Sokka
Marshall
Earth Kingdom Citizen
Earth Kingdom Citizen
Earth Kingdom Citizen
Earth Kingdom Citizen
Earth Kingdom Citizen
Earth Kingdom Citizen
forgot coroner
wait i don't get this, was bushi AND dock disguised then? i thought only one can be disguised, i asked it. you said the other would just die
@ika
so about me almost getting lynched. i agree that the omgus was a bit exagerated, but at this point it was just necessary for me personally because i was so annoyed about managing to trick zuko just to get lynched because i did this afterwards. there was really no other reason for my lynch. also the rest of my defense was quite solid and reasonable i think, though i actually lost hope of preventing the mislynch and surviving the day long ago (after you still thought i am scum when i explained why i lied in jail with my first d3 post)
I always keep in the back of my mind of almost any possibility, thats why i was still suspicious of orpz for the entire game, but at the same time if all the flips were true, it wouldn't matter. I have played many other games and seen so many unusal things that you never know.
I have seen almost every maneuver pulled from bussing to distancing, so i keep every possiblity open
you may say now town wouldn't have a problem with getting lynched, but i think this is bullshit. townies are responsible to some extent to not get mislynched (and other townies are responsible too to not mislynch him). if they get mislynched it hurts town which is against victory condition, there are only limited mislynches allowed.
agree with latter part (some extent o not get it), however mislynches are sometimes needed to get new information. the way you went around acting all survivalistic when town was in prime and could afford it was kinda unhelpful.
i don't think so, first town was not in advantage yet, only jester died, marshall had not yet revealed. killing zuko would have benefitted way more than mislynching me, that's why mislynch would have hurt.
and even after marshall reveal, if mai's father hadn't been scum and i was mislynched, town would be in a really bad spot. my mislynch wouldn't have given much information, because mostly town voted me. i had all scums pegged at this point, it was better i was alive.
but i agree that mislynches can be good in some situations.
sure, townies don't have to try as hard to not get lynched as the scum, which is scums primary goal while town's is to find the scums. but townies should contribute and defend definitely. or don't you blame in sc2 for example a sheriff who doesn't roleclaim on trial and gets lynched.
gonna state this now, sc2 mafia=/=fm mafia
yea but my example is valid here too
i think it was more how you again, acted survavaistic about your lynch as a citizen, as a pr i could see otherwise but as a citizen (who kept jailor info out), could see a scum flip
see above
other then that i just don't WANT to be mislynched, that's part of my personality.
personalist i can understand, but for the town, sometimes its best to say "if you dont believe me lynch me" sometimes being lynched is the best option as well becasue it solidifies your position
see above
It's too bad the scum died so fast, I kind of wanted to see the other events.
Spoiler : Accolades :
Well I was told that one of the events were that the ventriloquisted person can talk on his main count as well. So the vent and actual person would have to fight over the account. The day 7 was that Zuko could win with all the mafia. So there wasn't any need for those events after we took out vent and zuko so early.
"look how all the scums jump out to vote me" is pretty close
Spoiler : Accolades :
Was there a graveyard chat for this game?
Spoiler : Accolades :
Also, how can I go about transferring the REP from his account to Gyver?
i don't think so, first town was not in advantage yet, only jester died, marshall had not yet revealed. killing zuko would have benefitted way more than mislynching me, that's why mislynch would have hurt.
that can be agreed on, however you claiming mai was equal footing then. Zuko would only be able to betray while if you were mai, if would be eliminating a threat. zuko could be delt with the next day
thing about fm 17: we jailed and executed the claimer becasue he claimed to be rebel leader (or follower) in day and backtracked to cit, even if he claimed cp9, we prob would of executed out of saftey
and even after marshall reveal, if mai's father hadn't been scum and i was mislynched, town would be in a really bad spot. my mislynch wouldn't have given much information, because mostly town voted me. i had all scums pegged at this point, it was better i was alive.
slight disagreement, your myslynch would have given plenty of info as well, noticed how the train on you went up? even if you were lynched instead of mai's father (or both were) we could deduct then who was scum on the train. i mean we even used half of the voters on there to deduct. also you didnt really have everyone pegged you just said everyone was stupid or scum and that was not the entire case.
but i agree that mislynches can be good in some situations.
real quick on the sc2=/=mafia thing
for your example it could be used but most cases they would not equate.
i don't think so, first town was not in advantage yet, only jester died, marshall had not yet revealed. killing zuko would have benefitted way more than mislynching me, that's why mislynch would have hurt.
that can be agreed on, however you claiming mai was equal footing then. Zuko would only be able to betray while if you were mai, if would be eliminating a threat. zuko could be delt with the next day
betray is not so harmless because everyone could be a pr. i was pretty pissed because of betrayed at least because i feared aang would visit me one day and it would be in vain. i wasn't mai, so lynching me would be bad. sure you didn't know i wasn't mai but i did, that's one reason why i tried not to get lynched
thing about fm 17: we jailed and executed the claimer becasue he claimed to be rebel leader (or follower) in day and backtracked to cit, even if he claimed cp9, we prob would of executed out of saftey
that's completely different, he claimed it in day chat and i just claimed at night in a hopeless situation. he lied to everyone, i lied to scum.
and even after marshall reveal, if mai's father hadn't been scum and i was mislynched, town would be in a really bad spot. my mislynch wouldn't have given much information, because mostly town voted me. i had all scums pegged at this point, it was better i was alive.
slight disagreement, your myslynch would have given plenty of info as well, noticed how the train on you went up? even if you were lynched instead of mai's father (or both were) we could deduct then who was scum on the train. i mean we even used half of the voters on there to deduct. i agree it would have given some information, but i dont think it would have been worth it. especially since the vote info was there anyway, because i was cleared.
also you didnt really have everyone pegged you just said everyone was stupid or scum and that was not the entire case.
well when i thought i'd be lynched any second, i made a list of about 6 or 7 ppl where i said all the scums were on. turns out they really were (i added waterbending master a few posts later). not in right order, but i updated it next day already, where i narrowed it down further
but i agree that mislynches can be good in some situations.
real quick on the sc2=/=mafia thing
for your example it could be used but most cases they would not equate.
@host
pls explain how that disguising of 2 ppl worked.
did disguiser get to control accounts of both targets?
if no pls explain why bushi didn't know he was encouraged n1 assuming and if yes please explain why my question about this was answered differently
i don't think so, first town was not in advantage yet, only jester died, marshall had not yet revealed. killing zuko would have benefitted way more than mislynching me, that's why mislynch would have hurt.
that can be agreed on, however you claiming mai was equal footing then. Zuko would only be able to betray while if you were mai, if would be eliminating a threat. zuko could be delt with the next day
betray is not so harmless because everyone could be a pr. i was pretty pissed because of betrayed at least because i feared aang would visit me one day and it would be in vain. i wasn't mai, so lynching me would be bad. sure you didn't know i wasn't mai but i did, that's one reason why i tried not to get lynched
fair enough, i think overall, the train on you was informative enough that even if you did get flipped, it prob wouldnt of changed much. I do think you did kinda overreact to it still but really your train going up was kinda scums biggest downfall. also being betrayed isnt that big of a deal if aang were to vist you, how i see it, its more or less just a wasted night action we already had game going to town at that point
thing about fm 17: we jailed and executed the claimer becasue he claimed to be rebel leader (or follower) in day and backtracked to cit, even if he claimed cp9, we prob would of executed out of saftey
that's completely different, he claimed it in day chat and i just claimed at night in a hopeless situation. he lied to everyone, i lied to scum.
well thats what you should do as outed scum, WIFOM it up best you can. Really him outing you as "mai" was more helpful for town in long run due to how scums were so eager to run a myslynch
and even after marshall reveal, if mai's father hadn't been scum and i was mislynched, town would be in a really bad spot. my mislynch wouldn't have given much information, because mostly town voted me. i had all scums pegged at this point, it was better i was alive.
slight disagreement, your myslynch would have given plenty of info as well, noticed how the train on you went up? even if you were lynched instead of mai's father (or both were) we could deduct then who was scum on the train. i mean we even used half of the voters on there to deduct. i agree it would have given some information, but i dont think it would have been worth it. especially since the vote info was there anyway, because i was cleared.
also you didnt really have everyone pegged you just said everyone was stupid or scum and that was not the entire case.
well when i thought i'd be lynched any second, i made a list of about 6 or 7 ppl where i said all the scums were on. turns out they really were (i added waterbending master a few posts later). not in right order, but i updated it next day already, where i narrowed it down further
they were good post overall to do something like that, thats what pod did real quick before he was going to be lynched (but wasnt due to deadline)
funny thing is i was there during deadline XD
but i agree that mislynches can be good in some situations.
real quick on the sc2=/=mafia thing
for your example it could be used but most cases they would not equate.
@host
pls explain how that disguising of 2 ppl worked.
did disguiser get to control accounts of both targets?
if no pls explain why bushi didn't know he was encouraged n1 assuming and if yes please explain why my question about this was answered differently
[/QUOTE]
lol so scum just got one more member
bushi surrendered then?
apparently i misunderstood your answer about this question because you answered "can he disguise as 2" with no but "can he kill 2" with yes, so i thought he can kill 2 but disguise only 1
but you just meant he can't disguise 2 normally...
Sokka allowed for actions x2, or special instances of otherwise barred action. So the Disguiser got x2 actions. It really is very simple, albeit OP.
Yes, Bushi (Glip) surrendered. Glip wanted to surrender the night before (when all mafia were still alive) because he knew his team was about to be eliminated. His teammates didn't comment on his surrender proposal, so the game continued. The next night he was alone so he decided to surrender.