Day III: Premonition

[FM Nissa Revane]

"I'm sheriff, this guy's Cult"
LYNCHTRAINLYNCHTRAIN
"I had a gun, this guy's night immune and scummy, don't forget I am also scum!"
Lolnope, we need more evidence

Fuck you guys. Point aside I don't really care, I think I'd rather see Karn pressured than Nicol right now. Karn's more likely to be Cole Macgrath

Fixed.

Well, if the lynch train isn't going anywhere, I say we lynched a confirmed scum instead of no lynch. I will switch train if there is a better one.

-vote FM Parcher

Join me my sheeps! Join!

[FM Nissa Revane]

Can we please not let lynch wait to 10 minutes before the end of the day. It was cut wayyyy too close.
Anyway, can possible amnesiac take sasha? I don't want that happening. So if anyone wants to explain how Sifa shouldn't be shot tomorrow if there aren't bus claims.

And shouldn't there be 3 jailed claims by now? Is jailor dead/kidnapper?

(sorry for not being as active as I usually am in FMs, last final is in 12 hours, then I can devote a lot more time)

I am also curious about the Amnesiac. I wonder if he took a cleaned role and it turned out to be a scum role. Sifa seems like he is hiding something a little.

[FM Nissa Revane]

What a swell day to be alive, my favourite colours are in full bloom.

Blue, green, bluegreen, yellow. I love this time of year!

Furthermore my dear associates, I can report not a single thing happened to this lass!

Teehee!

Hello Koth! This is your first post entire game. Would you like to add anything to the discussion?

[FM Ashiok]

The amnesiac cannot take the roles of Cole, Bertrand or Sasha, according to role card.

[FM Parcher]

Concert time, lynch these people while I'm away:

FM Karn
FM Nicol
FM Sandruu

thx maties

[FM Meshuvel]

Players are ranked from -10(complete scum) to +10(confirmed town)
Currently few posts penalty is -1, tomorrow it will be -3


Ajani Goldmane -3
-2 for his comment that he considered anyone that roleclaims scum
-1 for only 5 relevant posts


Ashiok -2
-2 for voting glissa and not saying anything else
-1 very few relevant posts but +1 for actually posting his reads on some people

Baltrice 0
-1 for demanding a change in topic but evading domris request for a new topic
-2 for being super defensive when people argue with her, claiming both I and dack take her words out of context, big fight at the end of day 2 where she uses being tired as an excuse for scummy sounding posts.
+1 for aggressiveness putting self center stage
+1 for posting her reads on people
+1 for a lot of relevant posts

Chandra Nalaar -1
-1 for very few relevant posts but +1 for actually posting reads on people
-1 for asking if she should vote

Dack Fayden +1
+2 proposes plan to take advantage of the fact that only town has jailor n1
-1 illogical persistence that sifa is amnesiac
+1 for posting his reads on people
-1 heavy pushing on jace being scum

Dormri Rade + 9
+10 made confirmed sheriff call
+1 for posting his reads on people
-2 illogical exuberance for town call on kiora

Elspeth Tirel -5
-5 stupid fake witch reveal
0 does not provide any worthwhile explanation for witch reveal

Garrk Wildspeaker - 4
-1 very few relevant posts
-1 posts no reads on people
-1 votes glissa and says nothing
-1 plants seeds of distrust in PRs because of cult

Jaya Ballard - Not actually playing, you gonna replace her?
Only has 2 posts from day 1

Karn -2
+1 claims no feedback
-2 only read he made was a scum call on elspeth
-1 only 2 relevant posts


Kiora Atua -2
-1 RP fluff disguised as wisdom
-1 doesnt post reads on people
+1 reports no feedback n1


Koth - replaced

Liliana Vess -3
-1 first post is an FOS where she reveals she didnt read anything from the first day
-1 illogical FOS on me (I might be a bit biased but I am at least aware that I am town)
0 only 2 reads on people
-1 very few relevant posts

Masrath -3
+1 reported role blocked
-2 claims everyone will think she is scum
-1 no relevant posts

Nicol Bolas -5
+1 posts suboptimal vermaak setup
-1 very skeptical of sher claim
-1 a lot of pushing for vote on elspeth after cult reveal
-4 refuses to defend himself


Nissa Revane -1
+1 for a couple of town reads but -1 for very few relevant posts
-1 for agreeing with a lot of people but not posting new things


Parcher -5
-2 "no lynch + no post count = afk"
+1 for posting reads on people
-1 for asking for early hammer
-3 endorsing elspeths gambit and claiming reaper
+/- 3 got smith weapon, used it on nico. The sign depends on what nico flips.

Ral Zarek -2
+1 claims no night feedback
-1 very few relevant posts
-1 no reads on people

Ravi Sengir - 2
-1 says he will give reads on people but only gives 1
-1 very few posts


Sandruu +4
+4 claims busdriven even with dead bus driver
0 not a lot of posts but posted reads

Sarkhan Vol +1
+1 submits to being part of the citizen plan
+1 claims no night feedback
+1 asks for lookout to find enforcer
-1 no reads on people
-1 very few posts

Sifa Grent -4
-3 refuses to defend himself on day 1
-1 no posted reads on people
0 adequate posts

Sorin Markov -2
-1 few posts, no reads
-1 claims town sheeping glissa, proceeds to vote glissa

Terferi - 0 posts ever, why hasnt she been replaced?

Tessebik -2
-1 says jailor confirmation easier than town making it but doesnt provide solution
0 not a lot of posts but posts reads on people
-1 puts silverlining on mass cit reveal

Terzzeret -2
-1 few posts no reads
-1 asks for early hammer


Tibalt -1
+1 quality posts
0 few but some player reads
-2 illogical post about getting attacked last night

Ugin -3
-1 posts a good vermaak setup
-2 tries to derail plan to empower jailor
+1 places reads
-1 heavy buddying with vraska


Vraska +3
+1 posts reads on people
+1 willing to vote against grain but doesnt push it
+1 quality posts
I feel like I wanted to minus vraska for something but I can't find anything in my notes for it

Xenagos -2
-1 few posts
-1 no reads

[FM Meshuvel]

Anyone remember who else claimed they were bused N1?

[FM Nicol Bolas]

So let me post while Im on my pc for this short time period Ill be heading out soon again and wont have time to really delve into today until about 6 hours from now period

First off as I said before I was surprised how many jumped onto my train with only Parchers claim that I am immune period Its funny that those that jumped on the train only focused on night immune roles from the role cards and omitted all other situations that would render me immune like being jailed or having been healed or bus driven or had a vest or the super obvious Parcher didnt shoot me at all period

First lets consider the medic colon to those saying the medic would be stupid if he healed me comma what makes you say that question mark The medic may have seen a quality in me that you have not and with Parcher comma self proclaimed scum comma being so obvious as to say he would shoot me comma why not prevent my death until my value is shown to the town period

Jailed colon Having been against Sashas lynch yesterday as well as being scummy in the eyes of many comma is it that hard to assume that a jailor would want to speak with me question mark

Kidnapped colon We all assume that Vermaak took a kidnapper comma yet no one thinks that he would want to speak with me as to find out my alignment period

Armorsmith vest colon although many have said I looked scummy day 1 comma some have agreed with my views as well as said that my suggestion to the Vermaak roles was sub optimal comma which is was in many subtle ways colon I omitted the fact that someone had to do the kill thus having an enforcers passive ability to prevent his team from cult is a great bonus comma I also omitted that the consort is tracking immune comma something that many people would not have even read period The Disguiser was another role that would have been decent to increase another clean as well as being the main person to be sent to kill in future nights period So if the armorsmith is someone who picked up on all these subtleties and identified me as an analyzer comma it is not hard to see that he could have sent me a vest ngiht 1 period

Bus driven colon why did the vig shoot the priest question mark Who said that the dead bus driver was the only bus driver question mark Just put two and two together period

Parcher lying colon Do any of you really think his word is worth anything question mark I mean really unless the gunsmith is completely incompetent comma he would never give a gun to him period Also he claims that he added me to his ignore list comma what town do you know ignores information regardless of how annoying it is to read question mark

Then we have our Sheriff who knows nothing about scum hunting and doesnt know that his night time ability does not work during the day comma I mean really comma asking someone in the bright of day if he is scum will not grant a reliable answer comma that only happens at night when his role ability actually works ninety percent of the time period Thus answering his stupid question is a waste of time period

Buried in this post you may find why I type this way colon Scum arent trying to scumhunt as much and probably wont bother to read big posts that give headaches but town will regardless so anyone that I see skipping my posts loose credibility in my eyes which leads back to Parcher who said he is even ignoring me period As scummy as he looks to me comma I have a feeling he is a neutral or a citizen that doesnt care about the game and his words dont hold much weight comma the fact that he is pulling all the attention to the fact that he quote shot quote me doesnt make sense for a real scum period

Meshuvels big post colon I like it comma it looks very much like my notes from past fms period He doesnt need to explain what he thinks of people comma it doesnt matter that his post is neutral toned comma make your own conclusions from his summary period I find it very helpful when on my phone without access to my own notes period And I am against giving out all my scum reads early on anyways so anyone saying that his list is garbage without his opinion can shutup period
Edit I see he just posted his reads while I made this post period period period Damn you exclamation point

Dack Fayden colon I was very surprised at his speed of jumping onto the train without posing obvious questions comma I will be reexamining my perception of him period

Im off to work now and will be back in 5 or 6 hours until then you can argue with each other period

[FM Sandruu]

I have kinda lost my FoS on Parcher.

What he has been doing is very uncharacteristic of scum, he blantently lies too much...and out in the open. Until scum is purposly trying to get a lynch on him, he mmust be a cit. Otherwise I say Parcher is a jester.

[FM Sarkhan Vol]

Sarkhan Vol
-1 no reads on people
-1 very few posts

I only post when I feel it is relevant or that I have the need to contribute. Posting without anything real may be considered a "junk post".

My posts are short and straight to the point, not wall of text that some might just decide to ignore or a re-post of what another have already mentioned. I should have been more pushing on the plan of the Lookout for detection of Enforcer.

For the reads, it could have been asked. Instead of a huge wall of text, I'm instead going to place this :

Meshuvel, Ugin, Nissa Revane, Ashiok, Dack Fayden, Domri Rade.

Interpret as you wish. Mesh has been quite useful with the posts with reads about everyone. Ugin is kind of bizarre about his RP, but a few subtle hints of being a Militia that care to read. Nissa has been useful too at some posts. Ashiok pretty much scum slipped from a fourth person perspective. Dack Fayden & Domri Rade, I'll let you figure out why they're Orange.

[FM Vraska]

I am all about it. But it will be in the second half of D3. Today is not good for me.

Sounds good.

(In the meanwhile, I'll keep this Baltrice analysis in my pants)

Yeah he should be dead if Jester. Nissa, which conduit faction are you?

Hey. Hey, Parcher.

What changed from this:

Nissa is aligned with Cole's Conduits

...To now, where you ask that question?

Explain your mindset while doing this. It feels ~strange to me.

I see I have made your list. What is it about me that you find objectionable?

Blech.

Don't.

Like.

That.

Response.

I'll respond to this after Tibalt exchanges analysis with me, but man. That self-awareness.

[FM Meshuvel]

So let me post while Im on my pc for this short time period Ill be heading out soon again and wont have time to really delve into today until about 6 hours from now period

First off as I said before I was surprised how many jumped onto my train with only Parchers claim that I am immune period Its funny that those that jumped on the train only focused on night immune roles from the role cards and omitted all other situations that would render me immune like being jailed or having been healed or bus driven or had a vest or the super obvious Parcher didnt shoot me at all period

First lets consider the medic colon to those saying the medic would be stupid if he healed me comma what makes you say that question mark The medic may have seen a quality in me that you have not and with Parcher comma self proclaimed scum comma being so obvious as to say he would shoot me comma why not prevent my death until my value is shown to the town period

Jailed colon Having been against Sashas lynch yesterday as well as being scummy in the eyes of many comma is it that hard to assume that a jailor would want to speak with me question mark

Kidnapped colon We all assume that Vermaak took a kidnapper comma yet no one thinks that he would want to speak with me as to find out my alignment period

Armorsmith vest colon although many have said I looked scummy day 1 comma some have agreed with my views as well as said that my suggestion to the Vermaak roles was sub optimal comma which is was in many subtle ways colon I omitted the fact that someone had to do the kill thus having an enforcers passive ability to prevent his team from cult is a great bonus comma I also omitted that the consort is tracking immune comma something that many people would not have even read period The Disguiser was another role that would have been decent to increase another clean as well as being the main person to be sent to kill in future nights period So if the armorsmith is someone who picked up on all these subtleties and identified me as an analyzer comma it is not hard to see that he could have sent me a vest ngiht 1 period

Bus driven colon why did the vig shoot the priest question mark Who said that the dead bus driver was the only bus driver question mark Just put two and two together period

Parcher lying colon Do any of you really think his word is worth anything question mark I mean really unless the gunsmith is completely incompetent comma he would never give a gun to him period Also he claims that he added me to his ignore list comma what town do you know ignores information regardless of how annoying it is to read question mark

Then we have our Sheriff who knows nothing about scum hunting and doesnt know that his night time ability does not work during the day comma I mean really comma asking someone in the bright of day if he is scum will not grant a reliable answer comma that only happens at night when his role ability actually works ninety percent of the time period Thus answering his stupid question is a waste of time period

Buried in this post you may find why I type this way colon Scum arent trying to scumhunt as much and probably wont bother to read big posts that give headaches but town will regardless so anyone that I see skipping my posts loose credibility in my eyes which leads back to Parcher who said he is even ignoring me period As scummy as he looks to me comma I have a feeling he is a neutral or a citizen that doesnt care about the game and his words dont hold much weight comma the fact that he is pulling all the attention to the fact that he quote shot quote me doesnt make sense for a real scum period

Meshuvels big post colon I like it comma it looks very much like my notes from past fms period He doesnt need to explain what he thinks of people comma it doesnt matter that his post is neutral toned comma make your own conclusions from his summary period I find it very helpful when on my phone without access to my own notes period And I am against giving out all my scum reads early on anyways so anyone saying that his list is garbage without his opinion can shutup period
Edit I see he just posted his reads while I made this post period period period Damn you exclamation point

Dack Fayden colon I was very surprised at his speed of jumping onto the train without posing obvious questions comma I will be reexamining my perception of him period

Im off to work now and will be back in 5 or 6 hours until then you can argue with each other period

I just wanted you to defend yourself, and based on the defense against you, I consider that defense adequate... For now.

-vote FM Garrk Wildspeaker

I feel he is lurking scum and I at the very least want him to make a list of reads.

[FM Vraska]

Hmm. I like Ravi's other posts, but man that self-awareness is so scummy.

You can call this a fencesit for now, but I want to hear Tibalt talk about Ravi. He's one of my most bifurcated reads, with multiple town! and scum! tells.

I... am back. I find that the beast is 400 miles away and I go to cry in my room. This is a crowning achievement. I've never cried before.

Yeah, this guys is still scum, no matter what way you look at it.

-vote FM Ajani Goldmane

He checks in, makes an inane post about the Beast, then leaves?

Lynch it.

Surprised everyone forgot about him.

Nothing happened again last night, unsurprisingly. I am not able to post a lot due to finals.

Meanwhile, FM Vraska, please answer this:

As you have FoS'd Parcher a lot since day 1, what role do you think he is?
As you have asked a lot of questions, have you been able to find any noteworthy scumslips from their responses?
Who is your main suspect and why?

Before I answer these questions, please give me your working definition of a "scumslip".

Because.

When I read this, I feel like you're not getting the purpose of my questions.

What a swell day to be alive, my favourite colours are in full bloom.

Blue, green, bluegreen, yellow. I love this time of year!

Furthermore my dear associates, I can report not a single thing happened to this lass!

Teehee!

Uh.

Can someone tell me a town Koth world where he checks in and posts nothing of substance, then leaves?

I think town Koth would at least leave us with something.

But man. Leaving a filler post then leaving.

Ugin finds that unsettling, he would like you to elaborate on why "you think" it is your first priority.

It's just a stylistic choice?

I tack on "I think" when I type all the time, sub-consciously.

Do you want additional clarification?

[FM Vraska]

I'm here for the next half hour or so.

If anyone wants anything from me, speak up.

[FM Baltrice]

Im doing a read on The person you voted there Vraska. Hold on.

[FM Vraska]

Show your work, see if we share thought processes in common - see my case.

[FM Vraska]

Fixed.

Well, if the lynch train isn't going anywhere, I say we lynched a confirmed scum instead of no lynch. I will switch train if there is a better one.

-vote FM Parcher

Join me my sheeps! Join!

...

What's this OMGUS/smear for?

[FM Vraska]

Ashiok pretty much scum slipped from a fourth person perspective.

If you think Ashiok "scum slipped", then why aren't you voting for him?

[FM Ravi Sengir]

"I'm sheriff, this guy's Cult"
LYNCHTRAINLYNCHTRAIN
"I had a gun, this guy's night immune and scummy"
Lolnope, we need more evidence

Fuck you guys. Point aside I don't really care, I think I'd rather see Karn pressured than Nicol right now. Karn's more likely to be Cole Macgrath

The difference is that Doomri claimed his role (sheriff) and claimed a result (Glissa=scum). By lynching Glissa we were able to confirm that Doomri is indeed a sheriff and the Glissa was, in fact scum. In your case, all lynching Nicol would confirm is whether you did/did not have a gun and whether he is/is not night immune. We still don't learn your role or even your alignment. And as I mentioned before, even if he is night immune, there's a 40% chance he's a non-threat. And if he isn't night immune, but survived via any other method of healing/immunity, then he might very well be town. Lynching him simply won't give us much of a benefit right now.

Hmm. I like Ravi's other posts, but man that self-awareness is so scummy.

Can you explain what you mean by "self-awareness" and why you find it scummy? Aren't all humans and vampires self aware? Isn't that what separates us from the werewolves and other animals?

[FM Baltrice]

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...302#post402302

This is post in introductory filler. From what I am reading of this he is stating that Nazis, Cole Conduits, and Bio-terrorists, Vameerk, need to be targeted, focused. Chemical Weapon stuff I believe refers to Sasha and the SoTB. This post doesn't seem to be made in a town view point and considering that we have a Sasha down to only viable option left is SoTB. In this post he tries to direct conversation away from those roles.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...632#post402632

Now considering that both SoTB and Sasha are on their own Day One it isn't unreasonable to believe that their posts wouldn't have slips that Cole and Vameerks would, knowing their team and all. That leaves scummy looking posts and words as the only source of finding them. Since his stance is to not consider scummy looking posts as scum tells it furthers the idea that he is either Sasha or SoTB, with a Sasha dead it leaves SoTB left over.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...634#post402634


Now this is a filler post. Here he contradicts his eariler statement, saying not to consider trolly scummy posts as scum tells, by stating that he is not a fan of the multiple trolly posts that have happened. He also fluffs the statement with a Stop Lurking/Trolling warning. Then he backs off his earlier statements by asking for public opinion on troll posts and he asks for how people scum hunt, in not so many words of course.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...636#post402636

Another contradiction in both the post and in his words before. He opens by saying dont mark scum based on posts but states that later we can do that. Just not now. This seems to be a stalling tactic while also fluffing for post counts by answering his own questions and blatantly repeating what he has already said.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...865#post402865

And here is the Day one slip to my eyes. He openly admits that he is skimming the day and not taking the time to read everything. This relates to a lack of interest in scumhunting and the day chat. Which relates to being scum considering they are not as hard pressed to scum hunt as we are. The rest of his post here is saying that we shouldn't role claim and some filler immediately afterwards.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...869#post402869

Here is what I consider a slip as well when he posts a single line asking how to find the SoTB, which he never follows up on. This is not a Town Tell to me considering that first there was no previous conversation on SoTB and he doesn't continue trying to talk about the role.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...177#post405177

He passes day two by without a post and shows up once today with a post filler about the SoTB. Firstly there is a huge amount of stuff to talk about today and he honed in on SoTB and nothing else. He also has not posted again which is suspicious as well.

-vote FM Ajani Goldmane

In this post by post analysis it stands to reason that Ajani is SoTB.

[FM Vraska]

[QUOTE=FM Ravi Sengir;405242
Can you explain what you mean by "self-awareness" and why you find it scummy? Aren't all humans and vampires self aware? Isn't that what separates us from the werewolves and other animals?[/QUOTE]

Yes.

Self-awareness shows that you care about your image, rather than finding scum. Mafia are not overly concerned with finding scum, but they are concerned about being lynched.

[FM Vraska]

Let's get this Ajani wagon moving.

Ravi, how do you feel about Ajani Goldmane?

[FM Dack Fayden]

Idea. FM Parcher's shot was redirected by the WITCH from Nicol Bolas to Tibalt. Witching leaves no notifications.

I implore all gun receivers not to claim their gun so the witch can't control them.

[FM Vraska]

Leaving this thread, checking it in the morning.

I would still like responses to my questions, though!

[FM Nissa Revane]

Idea. FM Parcher's shot was redirected by the WITCH from Nicol Bolas to Tibalt. Witching leaves no notifications.

I implore all gun receivers not to claim their gun so the witch can't control them.

Interesting theory, quite possible.

Let's get this Ajani wagon moving.

Ravi, how do you feel about Ajani Goldmane?

I think Ajani is probably a neutral of some sort. I dont think he is town, but I dont think he is scum either.

[FM Vraska]

And the fencesit on Ajani. WOW.

What posts give you the impression of "not town not scum"?

Also respond to your stupid smear.

[FM Parcher]

I never shot Nicol, I did not have a gun last night

[FM Parcher]

I wasn't gonna reveal that cause I really wanted him lynched for being annoying, but previewing his last post, he puts so much effort into being annoying that it's not worth the effort and I'd rather leave him on ignore

[FM Vraska]

Walk me through your mindset on attempting that gambit.

Risks/Rewards etc.

Getting a townier read on Parcher; scum would have little reason to be that ballsy.

[FM Parcher]

Walk me through your mindset on attempting that gambit.

Risks/Rewards etc.

Getting a townier read on Parcher; scum would have little reason to be that ballsy.

Rewards:
-Getting him lynched is a better way to ignore him than the ignore list

Risks:
-who the fuck cares

[FM Parcher]

Legit scum read though: FM Karn

Seriously guys, don't just ignore that. I even gave post analysis reasoning on him

[FM Vraska]

This game is all about "who is more scummier: PLAYER A OR PLAYER B?"

And then they have a whole bunch of posts that are off the charts scummy.

/grumble

[FM Parcher]

This game is all about "who is more scummier: PLAYER A OR PLAYER B?"

And then they have a whole bunch of posts that are off the charts scummy.

/grumble

This game is actually Sheep the Sheriff, but the Sheriff's being useless today so we actually have to...scumhunt

[FM Dack Fayden]

Hmmm. I still think Nico Bolas is scum even though Parcher retracts shooting him last night.

[FM Parcher]

Parcher -5
-2 "no lynch + no post count = afk"
+1 for posting reads on people
-1 for asking for early hammer
-3 endorsing elspeths gambit and claiming reaper
+/- 3 got smith weapon, used it on nico. The sign depends on what nico flips.

Meshuval Credibility meter: -9.95
+1 Being American
+.05 Making lists
-11 Using shit scaling
+0 Being generally pro-town

[FM Ravi Sengir]

Yes.

Self-awareness shows that you care about your image, rather than finding scum. Mafia are not overly concerned with finding scum, but they are concerned about being lynched.

I see. I could see how you would think I asked out of concern, but in truth it was more out of curiosity. Just as with the self-awareness question.

Let's get this Ajani wagon moving.

Ravi, how do you feel about Ajani Goldmane?

I haven't thought much about him. I'll read him more and get back to you.

[FM Ugin]

Ugin seems to have gotten up, he walks over. He seems to be done with what he was doing. He draws a sheep. Ugin seems to also be tired. He will try to stay up but is unsure how long.

[FM Ugin]

Fixed.

Well, if the lynch train isn't going anywhere, I say we lynched a confirmed scum instead of no lynch. I will switch train if there is a better one.

-vote FM Parcher

Join me my sheeps! Join!

Ugin questions your reason for wanting sheep train.

Ugin -3
-1 posts a good vermaak setup
-2 tries to derail plan to empower jailor
+1 places reads
-1 heavy buddying with vraska

Ugin giggles at your reasoning. He noticed also in most of your reads a lot of people are negative. Ugin also questions a lot of the reasons for each one.

Anyone remember who else claimed they were bused N1?

Ugin looks at you with a stupid look. He reminds you he was the one. Ugin thinks you are not paying attention to his information.

So let me post while Im on my pc for this short time period Ill be heading out soon again and wont have time to really delve into today until about 6 hours from now period

First off as I said before I was surprised how many jumped onto my train with only Parchers claim that I am immune period Its funny that those that jumped on the train only focused on night immune roles from the role cards and omitted all other situations that would render me immune like being jailed or having been healed or bus driven or had a vest or the super obvious Parcher didnt shoot me at all period

First lets consider the medic colon to those saying the medic would be stupid if he healed me comma what makes you say that question mark The medic may have seen a quality in me that you have not and with Parcher comma self proclaimed scum comma being so obvious as to say he would shoot me comma why not prevent my death until my value is shown to the town period

Jailed colon Having been against Sashas lynch yesterday as well as being scummy in the eyes of many comma is it that hard to assume that a jailor would want to speak with me question mark

Kidnapped colon We all assume that Vermaak took a kidnapper comma yet no one thinks that he would want to speak with me as to find out my alignment period

Armorsmith vest colon although many have said I looked scummy day 1 comma some have agreed with my views as well as said that my suggestion to the Vermaak roles was sub optimal comma which is was in many subtle ways colon I omitted the fact that someone had to do the kill thus having an enforcers passive ability to prevent his team from cult is a great bonus comma I also omitted that the consort is tracking immune comma something that many people would not have even read period The Disguiser was another role that would have been decent to increase another clean as well as being the main person to be sent to kill in future nights period So if the armorsmith is someone who picked up on all these subtleties and identified me as an analyzer comma it is not hard to see that he could have sent me a vest ngiht 1 period

Bus driven colon why did the vig shoot the priest question mark Who said that the dead bus driver was the only bus driver question mark Just put two and two together period

Parcher lying colon Do any of you really think his word is worth anything question mark I mean really unless the gunsmith is completely incompetent comma he would never give a gun to him period Also he claims that he added me to his ignore list comma what town do you know ignores information regardless of how annoying it is to read question mark

Then we have our Sheriff who knows nothing about scum hunting and doesnt know that his night time ability does not work during the day comma I mean really comma asking someone in the bright of day if he is scum will not grant a reliable answer comma that only happens at night when his role ability actually works ninety percent of the time period Thus answering his stupid question is a waste of time period

Buried in this post you may find why I type this way colon Scum arent trying to scumhunt as much and probably wont bother to read big posts that give headaches but town will regardless so anyone that I see skipping my posts loose credibility in my eyes which leads back to Parcher who said he is even ignoring me period As scummy as he looks to me comma I have a feeling he is a neutral or a citizen that doesnt care about the game and his words dont hold much weight comma the fact that he is pulling all the attention to the fact that he quote shot quote me doesnt make sense for a real scum period

Meshuvels big post colon I like it comma it looks very much like my notes from past fms period He doesnt need to explain what he thinks of people comma it doesnt matter that his post is neutral toned comma make your own conclusions from his summary period I find it very helpful when on my phone without access to my own notes period And I am against giving out all my scum reads early on anyways so anyone saying that his list is garbage without his opinion can shutup period
Edit I see he just posted his reads while I made this post period period period Damn you exclamation point

Dack Fayden colon I was very surprised at his speed of jumping onto the train without posing obvious questions comma I will be reexamining my perception of him period

Im off to work now and will be back in 5 or 6 hours until then you can argue with each other period

Ugin read the giant wall of text. He reads it again and then nods, he scribbles something down and then walks off.

I only post when I feel it is relevant or that I have the need to contribute. Posting without anything real may be considered a "junk post".

My posts are short and straight to the point, not wall of text that some might just decide to ignore or a re-post of what another have already mentioned. I should have been more pushing on the plan of the Lookout for detection of Enforcer.

For the reads, it could have been asked. Instead of a huge wall of text, I'm instead going to place this :

Meshuvel, Ugin, Nissa Revane, Ashiok, Dack Fayden, Domri Rade.

Interpret as you wish. Mesh has been quite useful with the posts with reads about everyone. Ugin is kind of bizarre about his RP, but a few subtle hints of being a Militia that care to read. Nissa has been useful too at some posts. Ashiok pretty much scum slipped from a fourth person perspective. Dack Fayden & Domri Rade, I'll let you figure out why they're Orange.

Ugin likes people who are straight to the point. He finds it can be better then big walls of words at times. He notes how you mention his rp and reasoning. He wirtes down something. He seems hidden reasons for doing it. He smiles and walks off.

Hmm. I like Ravi's other posts, but man that self-awareness is so scummy.

You can call this a fencesit for now, but I want to hear Tibalt talk about Ravi. He's one of my most bifurcated reads, with multiple town! and scum! tells.



Yeah, this guys is still scum, no matter what way you look at it.

-vote FM Ajani Goldmane

He checks in, makes an inane post about the Beast, then leaves?

Lynch it.

Surprised everyone forgot about him.



Before I answer these questions, please give me your working definition of a "scumslip".

Because.

When I read this, I feel like you're not getting the purpose of my questions.



Uh.

Can someone tell me a town Koth world where he checks in and posts nothing of substance, then leaves?

I think town Koth would at least leave us with something.

But man. Leaving a filler post then leaving.



It's just a stylistic choice?

I tack on "I think" when I type all the time, sub-consciously.

Do you want additional clarification?

Ugin thinks for a moment, gets up and nods. He seems to have a better understanding.

Im doing a read on The person you voted there Vraska. Hold on.

Show your work, see if we share thought processes in common - see my case.

Ugin notes down the interaction.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...302#post402302

This is post in introductory filler. From what I am reading of this he is stating that Nazis, Cole Conduits, and Bio-terrorists, Vameerk, need to be targeted, focused. Chemical Weapon stuff I believe refers to Sasha and the SoTB. This post doesn't seem to be made in a town view point and considering that we have a Sasha down to only viable option left is SoTB. In this post he tries to direct conversation away from those roles.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...632#post402632

Now considering that both SoTB and Sasha are on their own Day One it isn't unreasonable to believe that their posts wouldn't have slips that Cole and Vameerks would, knowing their team and all. That leaves scummy looking posts and words as the only source of finding them. Since his stance is to not consider scummy looking posts as scum tells it furthers the idea that he is either Sasha or SoTB, with a Sasha dead it leaves SoTB left over.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...634#post402634


Now this is a filler post. Here he contradicts his eariler statement, saying not to consider trolly scummy posts as scum tells, by stating that he is not a fan of the multiple trolly posts that have happened. He also fluffs the statement with a Stop Lurking/Trolling warning. Then he backs off his earlier statements by asking for public opinion on troll posts and he asks for how people scum hunt, in not so many words of course.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...636#post402636

Another contradiction in both the post and in his words before. He opens by saying dont mark scum based on posts but states that later we can do that. Just not now. This seems to be a stalling tactic while also fluffing for post counts by answering his own questions and blatantly repeating what he has already said.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...865#post402865

And here is the Day one slip to my eyes. He openly admits that he is skimming the day and not taking the time to read everything. This relates to a lack of interest in scumhunting and the day chat. Which relates to being scum considering they are not as hard pressed to scum hunt as we are. The rest of his post here is saying that we shouldn't role claim and some filler immediately afterwards.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...869#post402869

Here is what I consider a slip as well when he posts a single line asking how to find the SoTB, which he never follows up on. This is not a Town Tell to me considering that first there was no previous conversation on SoTB and he doesn't continue trying to talk about the role.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...177#post405177

He passes day two by without a post and shows up once today with a post filler about the SoTB. Firstly there is a huge amount of stuff to talk about today and he honed in on SoTB and nothing else. He also has not posted again which is suspicious as well.

-vote FM Ajani Goldmane

In this post by post analysis it stands to reason that Ajani is SoTB.

Ugin looks over the posts and reads them. He thinks some of it seems to be rehash but also has original contents.

Let's get this Ajani wagon moving.

Ravi, how do you feel about Ajani Goldmane?

Ugin will most likely join on the train. He seems perplexed though. He glances over to Elspeth Tirel who claimed witch. He is still weary of her and would like to hear your input on the witch then claimed citizen.

Idea. FM Parcher's shot was redirected by the WITCH from Nicol Bolas to Tibalt. Witching leaves no notifications.

I implore all gun receivers not to claim their gun so the witch can't control them.

Ugin again notes how there has not been a second gun claim yet. He does agree if there is one it should not be claimed.

Interesting theory, quite possible.



I think Ajani is probably a neutral of some sort. I dont think he is town, but I dont think he is scum either.

Ugin wants you to elaborate on that. He wonders what neutral do you think he is if hes not town nor scum.

I never shot Nicol, I did not have a gun last night

I wasn't gonna reveal that cause I really wanted him lynched for being annoying, but previewing his last post, he puts so much effort into being annoying that it's not worth the effort and I'd rather leave him on ignore

Ugin finds your reasoning to do it is bad. But finds that your reasoning for retracting it is good enough for now.

Rewards:
-Getting him lynched is a better way to ignore him than the ignore list

Risks:
-who the fuck cares

Ugin questions the risk part. He thinks you care if you were to pull it.

This game is all about "who is more scummier: PLAYER A OR PLAYER B?"

And then they have a whole bunch of posts that are off the charts scummy.

/grumble

This game is actually Sheep the Sheriff, but the Sheriff's being useless today so we actually have to...scumhunt

Ugin finds it disturbing that you think the game is sheep the sheriff. He seems to agree that yesterday was a "sheep PR" day, but Ugin thinks you can also scum hunt even while sheeping sheriff.

Hmmm. I still think Nico Bolas is scum even though Parcher retracts shooting him last night.

Ugin wants you to elaborate on that. He wants to know your reasoning.

Meshuval Credibility meter: -9.95
+1 Being American
+.05 Making lists
-11 Using shit scaling
+0 Being generally pro-town

Ugin giggles and draws a +1 and hands it to you.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, why there are so many spreaded out votes? Can't you make a proper decision yet, hmm?

[FM Ashiok]

I wasn't gonna reveal that cause I really wanted him lynched for being annoying, but previewing his last post, he puts so much effort into being annoying that it's not worth the effort and I'd rather leave him on ignore

That is twice you have lied to try to lynch someone. Why should you be left alive?

I see. I could see how you would think I asked out of concern, but in truth it was more out of curiosity. Just as with the self-awareness question.



I haven't thought much about him. I'll read him more and get back to you.

If you are actually reading all posts, how could you not have an opinion on Ajani? He has stood out like a sore thumb. He has at most 5 posts, still waiting for you to 'get back to us'.

And I've already posted how I feel about spending time wondering what other people think of you, whether out of concern or curiosity does not matter.

[FM Ashiok]

Hmm, why there are so many spreaded out votes? Can't you make a proper decision yet, hmm?

Why are you so concerned about lynching someone if you are amnesiac?

Your vote is still on Nicol, do you still think he is scum? Or are you waiting for another train to sheep so it's less likely someone will notice you throwing your vote around?

[FM Parcher]

That is twice you have lied to try to lynch someone. Why should you be left alive?

I lower my head in shame and secondhand embarrassment for all those who think liars = scum

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, looking at possible immune roles that Nicol Bolas could be, I believe that at best we'll lynch either soul of the beast or killing neutral, so I'll probably keep my vote to where it is. Unless you want to lynch Mafia, hmm?

[FM Ashiok]

I lower my head in shame and secondhand embarrassment for all those who think liars = scum

I do not believe lying = scum. I KNOW that many games have been lost lately because jackass towns fake a feedback to get someone lynched then become number one scum suspect.

Hmm, looking at possible immune roles that Nicol Bolas could be, I believe that at best we'll lynch either soul of the beast or killing neutral, so I'll probably keep my vote to where it is. Unless you want to lynch Mafia, hmm?

Parcher has already admitted that he lied about attacking Nicol.

-vote FM Sifa Grent

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, I rather missed that out.

[unvote][unvote]

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, my unvote tags are not working properly. I'll try that again, hmm?

-unvote

[FM Ashiok]

It is D3 now, do you still claim amn? If so, what should we expect from you?

Deviation from expected, agreed upon behavior will be grounds for immediate lynch/dayshoot, so speak carefully.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, explain yourself properly first where I specifically called myself an amnesiac. Who called me an amnesiac in the first place, hmm?

[FM Ajani Goldmane]

Sorry, I'm back once again and I'm going to look over the day posts.

[FM Ashiok]

Hmm, explain yourself properly first where I specifically called myself an amnesiac. Who called me an amnesiac in the first place, hmm?

Dack was the first to say it:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...iac#post402912

In response to this post by you:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post402906

Sorry, I'm back once again and I'm going to look over the day posts.

So when you posted the same thing earlier today, you were just letting us know you were alive? What a relief, we were worried.