Question and Answer

[Elixir]

Post questions in this thread and we will attempt to answer them publically if we can.

Questions about Cole's Conduits
Questions about Vermaak 88
Questions about Unaffiliated Conduits
Questions about New Marais Militia
Questions about Miscellaneous

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Cole's Conduits

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Vermaak 88

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Unaffiliated Conduits

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New Marais Militia

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Miscellaneous

[ika]

you said the sould of the beast is going to be diffrent, what is the change?

also are the roles ready? its hard to ask without that and OoO and the other stuff XD

in rules it says nothing about com claim/hunting. does that mean its allowed? if not are players allowed to com claim in night chats (ie mafia)

i will prob have a shit load more after i look through it more

[Elixir]

you said the sould of the beast is going to be diffrent, what is the change?

also are the roles ready? its hard to ask without that and OoO and the other stuff XD

in rules it says nothing about com claim/hunting. does that mean its allowed? if not are players allowed to com claim in night chats (ie mafia)

i will prob have a shit load more after i look through it more

1) I reveal a little bit about him in his role card but most of it wont be made public until the beast gets here.

2) Roles are in the role card thread, OoO is in the rules thread.

3) I will reveal everyones COM names in their respective night threads. I'll talk with Slaol about day time COM claiming, though from what I'm hearing it probably will need to be added to the forbidden list (so answer here is I dunno yet)

[ika]

Cole questions:
Cole McGrath has white boxes, is this intentional or is that Soul of Beast info?
What is the classified as “instrumental in their downfall” in secondary objective?
Will player be informed if they did second objective?
Can other Cole members sacrifice night actions to enact a kill?
Can nix target self/other Cole members?
Lucy immune to freezing?

Vermakk questions:
Can vermakks roles overlap (ie 2 consorts)
Will kidnapping/jailing separate person from other night chats if applicable?
Will vermakk and nix’s cleaning be known differently or will be same?
Can framing also fame who they visit?
Does investigating twice have to be over 2 nights?
Consort immune to freezing?
Sapper role: “this includes players targeted by your target” could you clarify that?
Enforcer ability to vermaak is passive? Does it count towards second objective?
Repel kills player regardless if it was killing or not?

Confirmed neutrals:
No limit on reaper size?
If reaper follower dies will they show reaper or role name with reaper status? If shows reaper what about unique roles like Cole?
Can Sasha be purged by priest?
If converted do they lose their old secondary objective?

Potential neutrals:
Serial killer kills jailor/kidnapper if released?
Can’t be found by cops but can be tracked by lookout/detective? Same with others?
Arson says “once enough are doused you can ignite” you clarify what “enough” is?
Does day burning 5 people count towards secondary?
If arsons is jailed and released jailor/kidnapper is doused?
Is dousing informed?
Revolutionist can have milta members alive but not milta prs?
Can amnesiac stay amnesiac entire game and still win?
What if amnesiac takes student?
Executioner target always town?
Guilty voters randomed or can be picked by jester?
Lawyer will know killers identity?
If student is converted will the students win condition change?
If master is converted will student take converted version of master’s role?
If Sasha is the master and has a student, will half of reapers still die?
can neutral win with each other?

Militia:
When joseph is revealed can he be healed?
If he’s converted before reveal he can still activate abilities?
Normal result mean not suspicious?
Does invest pm you what they think the role is or how does that work?
Purging only works on reaper and not Sasha?
Gunsmith/armorsmith have unlimited uses/charges
Detainer can still jail when lynch occurs?
Can corner target alive person in hope of finding them dead?
Can attacker be healed from duel?
Veteran is night immune while on alert? Does it pierce immunities?

OoO Questions:
How does witch affect bus driver
Enforcing immune to roleblock/witching?
Witch controls role blocking role to self. What happens?
All kills happen simultaneously? If killing role is also killed will their kill be negated?
If janitor/disguiser is killed, will they not disguise/clean target?
If jailor/kidnapper target same person for jailing, what happens?
Where in OoO does student take role?
If framer dies does the frame still exist?

others:
what is the 1v1 tie rulings?
is suicide allowed?

[Elixir]

Cole questions:
Cole McGrath has white boxes, is this intentional or is that Soul of Beast info?
Intentional due to me messing up.
What is the classified as “instrumental in their downfall” in secondary objective?
Some secondary objectives are purposely vague.
Will player be informed if they did second objective?
Not until the end of the game.
Can other Cole members sacrifice night actions to enact a kill?
Yes.
Can nix target self/other Cole members?
Yes but it will still use a change unlike Vermaak
Lucy immune to freezing?
No.

Vermakk questions:
Can vermakks roles overlap (ie 2 consorts)
With the exception of Kidnapper; yes.
Will kidnapping/jailing separate person from other night chats if applicable?
Yes. They will have their other night chats revoked.
Will vermakk and nix’s cleaning be known differently or will be same?
They will be different.
Can framing also fame who they visit?
What?
Does investigating twice have to be over 2 nights?
Yes
Consort immune to freezing?
No
Sapper role: “this includes players targeted by your target” could you clarify that?

Person A --> Sapper ---> Target ---> Target of your Target. All of these people die.

Enforcer ability to vermaak is passive? Does it count towards second objective?
Yes the passive counts.
Repel kills player regardless if it was killing or not?
No. Needs to be a killing role.

Confirmed neutrals:
No limit on reaper size?
Correct
If reaper follower dies will they show reaper or role name with reaper status? If shows reaper what about unique roles like Cole?
Example:Cop
Can Sasha be purged by priest?
No.
If converted do they lose their old secondary objective?
No they don't but they cannot jepordize the chance of their new primary in pursuit of their secondary.

Potential neutrals:
Serial killer kills jailor/kidnapper if released?
Yes
Can’t be found by cops but can be tracked by lookout/detective? Same with others?
Correct. Cop is pretty much a Reaper/Mafia Finder
Arson says “once enough are doused you can ignite” you clarify what “enough” is?
That is up to you.
Does day burning 5 people count towards secondary?
Yes but it must be in a single fire.
If arsons is jailed and released jailor/kidnapper is doused?
Yes.
Is dousing informed?
No.
Revolutionist can have milta members alive but not milta prs?
Correct. Think of them as Neutral Masons that can shoot people.
Can amnesiac stay amnesiac entire game and still win?
As long as they survive.
What if amnesiac takes student?
If it occurs after night 3 they will be told to pick a mentor before the next day starts.
Executioner target always town?
No.
Guilty voters randomed or can be picked by jester?
I didn't think of that. So I'm going to go with 1 random 1 choice. Random picked after choice.
Lawyer will know killers identity?
Well they become executioner if their target is killed so uhh.. yeah I guess?
If student is converted will the students win condition change?
Yes. The student will become a Reaper.
If master is converted will student take converted version of master’s role?
No. But it is likely a master will probably try to get their student converted.
If Sasha is the master and has a student, will half of reapers still die?
Heh. No. The Student will ascend and take control before the reapers die. This happened in V iirc.
can neutral win with each other?
Depends which neutrals.

Militia:
When joseph is revealed can he be healed?
Yes.
If he’s converted before reveal he can still activate abilities?
Yes.
Normal result mean not suspicious?
Yes.
Does invest pm you what they think the role is or how does that work?
Can do; or they can do it through their actions throughout the day. We will be paying attention.
Purging only works on reaper and not Sasha?
Correct. Sasha will escape
Gunsmith/armorsmith have unlimited uses/charges
Yes.
Detainer can still jail when lynch occurs?
Yes.
Can corner target alive person in hope of finding them dead?
Yes.
Can attacker be healed from duel?
Veteran is night immune while on alert? Does it pierce immunities?

OoO Questions:
How does witch affect bus driver
Enforcing immune to roleblock/witching?
No.
Witch controls role blocking role to self. What happens?
The blocker will be informed they were role blocked.
All kills happen simultaneously? If killing role is also killed will their kill be negated?
No. All kills aside from disguiser happen at once.
If janitor/disguiser is killed, will they not disguise/clean target?
Correct.
If jailor/kidnapper target same person for jailing, what happens?
It will be whoever PM'd the command first
Where in OoO does student take role?
If not done during the day itll will be before other actions.
If framer dies does the frame still exist?
Yes as the frame is done before kills.

others:
what is the 1v1 tie rulings?
Killing Neutrals>Conduit Teams>Witch>Militia
Assuming 1 of each conduit team it will end in a draw
is suicide allowed?
No

[ika]

Can framing also frame who they visit?
What i mean by that is can they frame the lookout/detecive feedback

example: detective is following player X is going to vist Y, famer fames him and is instead shown visiting player Z

lookout: shows visit when not or no visiting role

[Yayap]

Any rules concerning com names? Am I allowed to claim I am Yayap? or use Com name related information as arguments (so and so only plays like this when he is scum)

[ika]

Any rules concerning com names? Am I allowed to claim I am Yayap? or use Com name related information as arguments (so and so only plays like this when he is scum)

if so can we fake claim coms?

[Orpz]

What's the purpose of fulfilling secondary objectives?

[Elixir]

What's the purpose of fulfilling secondary objectives?

Mostly End of Game Rewards. Some Secondaries can impact how we introduce the day but they aren't anything that will assist you in your full victory conditions.

if so can we fake claim coms?

Any rules concerning com names? Am I allowed to claim I am Yayap? or use Com name related information as arguments (so and so only plays like this when he is scum)

After deliberation we are adding a no COM claiming rule. No strategies related to ones COM name may be employed. Seems meaningless to have an anon account game and then not enforce anonimity. We will still reveal com names in night chats but we've decided no day COMs.

[ika]

rules about invis mode on account? is it mandatory or is it optional?

it says no quoting converstations from host, does that include feedbacks?

[Yayap]

Do people read the rules before asking questions? (rule #4)

[ika]

Do people read the rules before asking questions? (rule #4)

so i didnt see it sue me

[vornksr]

This is probably not worth asking, but:

If a detective follows a role like an enforcer or jester (also bus driver, willbender, etc.) who visits multiple people in one night, will he see all the visited people?

I've been away from the game for a while so I'll be asking a lot of dumb questions.

[ika]

This is probably not worth asking, but:

If a detective follows a role like an enforcer or jester (also bus driver, willbender, etc.) who visits multiple people in one night, will he see all the visited people?

I've been away from the game for a while so I'll be asking a lot of dumb questions.

it worth asking becasue some host do it diffrently

i have seen 2 variations of it

1: they see first target they visit
or
2: they see both targets being visited

[Kusco]

Can the consort be seen by a lookout, or is tracking specific to detective?

When the beast arrives and the Soul and Cole are alive, will everyone know Cole's options?

Is it possible for Vermaak to have 4 of the same role? Or any combination as long as there's a max of 1 kidnapper?

What is the policy on codes? (besides text formatting)

If there are multiple jailors, how will their anonymity be maintained?

When will this start?

Do disguiser deaths look like they were cleaned by a Vermaak janitor?

[ika]

After deliberation we are adding a no COM claiming rule. No strategies related to ones COM name may be employed. Seems meaningless to have an anon account game and then not enforce anonimity. We will still reveal com names in night chats but we've decided no day COMs.

can jailor/kidnapper force a com claim or will it only be in the proper night chats

will there be a diffrence between the jailor/kidnapper executions?

Can attacker be healed from duel?

Veteran is night immune while on alert? Does it pierce immunities?

How does witching affect bus drivers driving?

Can witch force a role to act (ie armorsmith is forced to pass vest).

If witch tries to witch veteran, will veteran auto alert and kill the witch? If so will it activate even if he has no charges?

If shasha visits an alert veteran but gets healed will the veteran be converted?

[vornksr]

Do willbender victims get informed that their actions have been manipulated?

Can framer target other Vermaak 88 members?

Also, I read the framer rolecard to mean that framers don't interfere with cops at all. Is that true?

If a priest's attempted conversion fails, are they told why (e.g. bad target vs. militia member targeted by enforcer)?

[Apache]

when game starts

[powerofdeath]

when game starts

It already started

[Kusco]

It already started

Source? We need citations

[clementine]

6- Modkills:
Will be replaced until the Reserve list is depleted. Some individuals who die early and have absolutely no more confirmed knowledge than anyone who read the day chats and the same puzzle chats as the person that is to be replaced might be able to replace someone as well. After that, it's death.

Are there puzzle chats in this FM?

[ika]

will there be games in dead chats?

[Elixir]

This is probably not worth asking, but:

If a detective follows a role like an enforcer or jester (also bus driver, willbender, etc.) who visits multiple people in one night, will he see all the visited people?

I've been away from the game for a while so I'll be asking a lot of dumb questions.

He'll see all targets.

Can the consort be seen by a lookout, or is tracking specific to detective?

Tracking includes detective and lookout

When the beast arrives and the Soul and Cole are alive, will everyone know Cole's options?

Yeah. But no one will be informed of his choice.

Is it possible for Vermaak to have 4 of the same role? Or any combination as long as there's a max of 1 kidnapper?

They can do what they like as long as its only 1 kidnapper. I nerfed the Disguiser in a way I believe a 4 disguiser team would be WAY too risky to run.


What is the policy on codes? (besides text formatting)

I hate the shit personally but if you really have to make some spastic code at night I'm not going to stop you. The limit is word association. I'm not going to allow like html shit but "if I say X I acutally mean Y" is permitted.

If there are multiple jailors, how will their anonymity be maintained?

Leave that to me.

When will this start?

When Slaol does his Job.

Do disguiser deaths look like they were cleaned by a Vermaak janitor?

Yes.

can jailor/kidnapper force a com claim or will it only be in the proper night chats

Proper night chats. Jailors do not have this right.

will there be a diffrence between the jailor/kidnapper executions?

No there will not.

Can attacker be healed from duel?

No.

Veteran is night immune while on alert? Does it pierce immunities?

Veteran always strikes first.

How does witching affect bus drivers driving?

The witch will change his first target.

Can witch force a role to act (ie armorsmith is forced to pass vest).

Yes.

If witch tries to witch veteran, will veteran auto alert and kill the witch? If so will it activate even if he has no charges?

Veteran alert is higher on the priority queue. If the witch visits him on a night hes not alert it wont do anything due to it being already past the stage in which it could do something. I suppose this in an exception to the above answer

If shasha visits an alert veteran but gets healed will the veteran be converted?

Yes.

Do willbender victims get informed that their actions have been manipulated?

No.

Can framer target other Vermaak 88 members?

No

Also, I read the framer rolecard to mean that framers don't interfere with cops at all. Is that true?

No, it'll still affect the cop; it will be a random evil result they will get.

If a priest's attempted conversion fails, are they told why (e.g. bad target vs. militia member targeted by enforcer)?
Nope, it'll just say failed.

Are there puzzle chats in this FM?

Thats a result of Slaol being lazy and not writing me a new rule sheet and telling me to copy his. So no, thats a mistake and ill update it

will there be games in dead chats?

I'll do my best.

[ika]

what is slaols job and when will he do it?

[Elixir]

what is slaols job and when will he do it?

Slaol is working on his job now.

He has been met with unfortunate circumstances which delayed his work.

I expect people to begin recieving their accounts within the next two days. I will start the game shortly after. I also am trying to give as much time as possible for the M-FMs to wind up.

[FM Nissa Revane]

Am I allowed to post here?

[Elixir]

Sure why not.

[FM Sorin Markov]

Can we please have access to the setup thread with our FM accounts? I don't seem to have access to News, and cannot view the thread unless I log off.

[FM Nissa Revane]

Can you add role list to this Section? I can't go to News Section.

[FM Parcher]

we should have day 1 in here rn

[Elixir]

Set up is now in the Militia Guide.

It will also be in text form for every day thread

[FM Nicol Bolas]

Who has priority in OoO between Detainer and Kidnapper?

[Elixir]

Neither. Whoever asked for the target first gets it.

[FM Nicol Bolas]

Can a Kidnapper kidnap someone night 1 after picking their role?
if not
Can a Detainer jail someone night 1?

[Elixir]

No
Yes.

[FM Ral Zarek]

where is that in setup that no encryption is allowed
what happens if the beast arrives
why you don't answer questions in day chat when you explicitly state: "Questions about the setup will not be responded to unless they are posted in green."

[FM Nicol Bolas]

If a Vermaak is jailed night 1, how does that affect the picking of roles for him? Does he retain his default no role until night 2, pick blindly or get to converse with his team for the first half of the night?

[Elixir]

where is that in setup that no encryption is allowed
what happens if the beast arrives
why you don't answer questions in day chat when you explicitly state: "Questions about the setup will not be responded to unless they are posted in green."

I answered it in a question in this thread. I'll add it to the handbook if you really need something official.
Pretty sure if I was going to make this public you'dve seen it already
Sounds like another slaol copy thing. I dont want to detract from conversation with my constantly posting. If you dont like it, let me know and I can arrange a replacement.

If a Vermaak is jailed night 1, how does that affect the picking of roles for him? Does he retain his default no role until night 2, pick blindly or get to converse with his team for the first half of the night?

He will have to pick blindly. The "perfect roleblock" of the jailor does not stop ascension.

[FM Meshuvel]

Can the Vermakk do actions on N1 after choosing roles?

[Elixir]

Yes they can. Thats why I have to have their roles within 30 hours.

Kidnapper obviously cannot jail.

[FM Nicol Bolas]

Vote with the following command:

Whats the command? You left it blank!

[FM Dack Fayden]

Will a janitor obtain their target's role and last will?

[Slaol]

Whats the command? You left it blank!

[vote]FM Name[/vote]

This was also put into the day start post.

[FM Dack Fayden]

Would you prefer that we ask questions in the game thread? My question posted here has not yet been answered although several posted in what I thought was the wrong location have been responded to.

[Elixir]

Will a janitor obtain their target's role and last will?

Wait no I read the question wrong. No they dont

[Elixir]

Would you prefer that we ask questions in the game thread? My question posted here has not yet been answered although several posted in what I thought was the wrong location have been responded to.

Heres better. I can't be reading the page 24/7 though

[FM Nicol Bolas]

Can you change everyones post count to over 10? This should solve the posts are awaiting moderation problems.

[FM Domri Rade]

Will the player status be updated?

[Slaol]

Can you change everyones post count to over 10? This should solve the posts are awaiting moderation problems.

I have only been alerted to 1 of these issues. It was solved by my looking at the page, telling them I could not possibly find the issue they were having, and they stopped having the issue when they logged out and back in. Really not sure what happened in this case, but until I get a 2nd report I think we are fine.