M-FM XX Voodoo Gamethread

[Catherine Flon]

Also, From what I felt, Hedouville didn't want to let others know who else were in mind meld.

Toussant now shows up and claim to be the 2nd person, is it part of the plan or just a terrible accident reap everything apart?

[Alexandre Petion]

Or did you lost the password to access the mind meld forum?

The only thing that I could see a code being used for, is to reveal feedback for others in the mind meld.
IE: Say "Hi" if you were role-blocked. etc...

The failure of access to the night chat sounds like something made up. Perhaps its to make him look like jester or he's not the brightest tool in the shed. I believe he has a basic intelligence level so I don't see him making a mistake that would prevent him from knowing the codes to use OR how to access the chat.

The host has not given any notification of an error taking place so we are left to assume that all went well. "All went well" means that the players had access to the night chat without interruption.

[Alexandre Petion]

Also, From what I felt, Hedouville didn't want to let others know who else were in mind meld.

Toussant now shows up and claim to be the 2nd person, is it part of the plan or just a terrible accident reap everything apart?

3. I revealed because people are voting me for lurking but the reason I was lurking is because I needed access to the mind meld codes before I could post due to the nature of the code I was given.

His excuse.

[Sanite Belaire]

What gets me is that he could have just said, "here I am!" and that's that. He obviously read why people were voting him. He didn't need to claim to be mind melded.

[Alexandre Petion]

So he could remember the nature of his code, but not what it was.
Apparently it wasn't important enough to write down or remember.

I see his whole defense being unproductive and useless.

All he had to do was participate to get off the lynch train. There were still 22 hrs~ left in the day. He acted like he was about to get lynched and was afraid of dying. Super defensive. I still can't understand why he would claim to be in the mind-meld. The only thing would be to get Hedouville to come and "save" him from being lynched. The last reach at a buddy rescue.

[Alexandre Petion]

What gets me is that he could have just said, "here I am!" and that's that. He obviously read why people were voting him. He didn't need to claim to be mind melded.

Haha, I just posted about that too. Like I was saying, sounds like he's calling on Hedouville to save him.

[Catherine Flon]

Oh, then Hedouville asked Toussant to post some 'code' if he get some feed back such as XXX.

Then his first post was 'HI'. I guess that is code?

[Alexandre Petion]

Oh, then Hedouville asked Toussant to post some 'code' if he get some feed back such as XXX.

Then his first post was 'HI'. I guess that is code?

It's possible. I'm not sure what the code is, what it's for, or what it means. That was just an example.
According to Toussant his first post was supposed to obtain the code. (Or lack of it)

[Baissou]

did he claim a role yet?

[Alexandre Petion]

did he claim a role yet?

Why you no read? He claimed 'PR' and that was it.

[Sanite Belaire]

I want some things cleared up and so I'm going to do what I can.

-vote Toussant L'Ouverturer

Everyone else, don't lynch until he has defended himself or it's really close to the end of the day.

[Catherine Flon]

I agree that claim to be in mind melding is really not brilliant. Cultists can access night 1 Mind Meld chat as soon as they convert him, protecting two revealed mind melding members from cultists is really a lost cause.

I suppose the thrid person in mind meld must be the mind melder himself?

Despite of these,

There are another 20 hours leftfor day 2, do we just hang on the drama issue of Toussant L'Ouverturer?

From people's report, here might be no jailor.

If cultists must be lynched, then town will lost many members if we do not figure out one or two cultist leader fast.

[Alexandre Petion]

There are another 20 hours leftfor day 2, do we just hang on the drama issue of Toussant L'Ouverturer?

From people's report, here might be no jailor.

If cultists must be lynched, then town will lost many members if we do not figure out one or two cultist leader fast.

Silly question. Of course we won't just tape our mouths shut while we await the prodigal one's return.

So far there are only 2 people who haven't claimed feedback. (One hasn't checked in at all so far)
I doubt there is a jailor since no one has claimed jailed.

There is is still the chance we have a Vigilante and our Masons can kill some cultists at night. It's ideal to have a Cult Leader lynched, naturally. However, it will help the town if we lynch people who are unproductive as well.
I'm not sure why you are pointing out the obvious here when talking about cult conversions.

[Capois LaMort]

I am not sure if this meta-gaming is legal, but the evasiveness of the host seems to suggest that they are hiding something. This is so, since if the host really had screwed up about, there would be no problem disclosing the information, while if this were not the case, obviously it would be problematic for the host to reveal a player's lies. This is obviously something about the Mind Meld chat, but I am not sure what.

I believe that it could be:
1. There is no Mind Melder and both the comte d'Hédouville and Monsieur Louverture are the two members of one of the cults.
2. Both are telling the truth and the host did screw up, despite their inclination to not tell us.
3. Monsieur Louverture is telling the truth, but is evil anyways.
4. Monsieur Louverture is desperate in attempting to save himself by lying about Mind Melding.

But in any case, I still require input from the comte to confirm.

[Hedouville]

Spoiler : feedbacks confirmed :

[Hedouville]

Spoiler : neutral Evil Speculation :

[Alexandre Petion]

I am not sure if this meta-gaming is legal, but the evasiveness of the host seems to suggest that they are hiding something. This is so, since if the host really had screwed up about, there would be no problem disclosing the information, while if this were not the case, obviously it would be problematic for the host to reveal a player's lies. This is obviously something about the Mind Meld chat, but I am not sure what.

I believe that it could be:
1. There is no Mind Melder and both the comte d'Hédouville and Monsieur Louverture are the two members of one of the cults.
2. Both are telling the truth and the host did screw up, despite their inclination to not tell us.
3. Monsieur Louverture is telling the truth, but is evil anyways.
4. Monsieur Louverture is desperate in attempting to save himself by lying about Mind Melding.

But in any case, I still require input from the comte to confirm.

1.impossibru on Night 1
2. Possible. The host said that they would not publicly disclose any errors they make. So we have to rely on Hedouville to tell us whether or not they did screw up. (I doubt they did)
3. More Likely
4. Not likely at all.

Your meta interpretations need some work.
I've already questioned them and it basically came down to this "We won't publicly announce any errors. We won't confirm or deny anything." This includes setup mechanic details involving the case we are currently working with.

Basically, the hosts wont give any information about the possibility of the situation Toussant presented before us. This leaves us to assume that there were no errors and that Toussant had full access to the chat from the beginning. If this is not the case and there was an error, the hosts are to blame if they screw up this game. Ask them yourself if you don't believe me.

[Alexandre Petion]

Spoiler : neutral Evil Speculation :

Wrong image.

[Capois LaMort]

So it seems that comte d'Hédouville and Monsieur Louverture were indeed in a Mind Meld chat. It would be preferable if the third person confirmed so it could be proved that the two are not Cultists working together in deception. However, I personally feel that they are no longer very suspicious at the moment.

[Alexandre Petion]

So it seems that comte d'Hédouville and Monsieur Louverture were indeed in a Mind Meld chat. It would be preferable if the third person confirmed so it could be proved that the two are not Cultists working together in deception. However, I personally feel that they are no longer very suspicious at the moment.

3rd person DO NOT CLAIM.

[Hedouville]

Wrong image.

Spoiler : fixed :

[Alexandre Petion]

So it seems that comte d'Hédouville and Monsieur Louverture were indeed in a Mind Meld chat. It would be preferable if the third person confirmed so it could be proved that the two are not Cultists working together in deception. However, I personally feel that they are no longer very suspicious at the moment.

Sorry for the double post but I wanted to make sure I got that out before someone pops in to say "Hey I'm the third."

Having the third person out is a horrible idea. Chances are 1/3 is the actual medler.
It's impossible for a cult to have more than 1 member on Night 1.

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^Proof.

How can you say that Toussant isn't very suspicious right now?

[Alexandre Petion]

Spoiler : fixed :

We have 2 people who have yet to claim feedback, but I would have my money on Serial Killer as well.
Hey serial killer, tell us in a death note who the Cult Leader is ;D

[Capois LaMort]

3rd person DO NOT CLAIM.

What would be the rationale behind that? I see no danger, since the person would already be found out by the cult if they converted either the comte d'Hédouville or Monsieur Louverture. I would advise that getting Mind Melded should only be hidden if all three of the members all do not show their feedback, since the cult would gain information on all of the other members if even one member of the Mind Meld was converted.

[Hedouville]

3rd person DO NOT CLAIM.

Spoiler : +1 :

Spoiler : scummy :

-vote Capois LaMort

[Hedouville]

What would be the rationale behind that? I see no danger, since the person would already be found out by the cult if they converted either the comte d'Hédouville or Monsieur Louverture. I would advise that getting Mind Melded should only be hidden if all three of the members all do not show their feedback, since the cult would gain information on all of the other members if even one member of the Mind Meld was converted.

Spoiler : direct :

[Alexandre Petion]

Spoiler : +1 :

Spoiler : scummy :

-vote Capois LaMort

If I eat the heart do I get a second life?

What would be the rationale behind that? I see no danger, since the person would already be found out by the cult if they converted either the comte d'Hédouville or Monsieur Louverture. I would advise that getting Mind Melded should only be hidden if all three of the members all do not show their feedback, since the cult would gain information on all of the other members if even one member of the Mind Meld was converted.

You see no danger? Ok lets just out all of the melders so the cultists and neutral killer can pick and choose 1/3 to kill/convert and likely hit our Melder. Great plan!
If a melder is converted, there's another day after that. The melder's can claim melded then. There's also something called a last will?

Right now the town doesn't need to know all three names in the meld chat. We only need 1 spokes person per day and the others to keep an eye on each other. There will be opportunities to figure out if someone melded was culted or not too.

Basically what we are trying to do is delay the cult figuring out all the names as long as possible. I don't see how your plan makes any sense to a pro-town player. I see it benefit the neutrals and cult though.

[Charles Leclerc]

I'm back, and personally I don't like the idea of lynching Toussant.

For one, he has returned and managed to post something. For second, he claims that he was in mind meld chat with Hedouville. The best thing we can do now is to wait for Hedouville. He can either confirm or deny that. We don't need a third person claim as long as both of then manage to show some credibility.

[Capois LaMort]

Sorry for the double post but I wanted to make sure I got that out before someone pops in to say "Hey I'm the third."

Having the third person out is a horrible idea. Chances are 1/3 is the actual medler.
It's impossible for a cult to have more than 1 member on Night 1.


^Proof.

How can you say that Toussant isn't very suspicious right now?

I am not saying that there were two duing Night 1. Instead, I am saying that the comte d'Hédouville or Monsieur Louverture could have converted the other over the course of the night, and during day chat, the comte's claim of being Melded may have emboldened Monsieur Louverture into claiming he was Melded as well.

In the first place, I was never very suspicious of Monsieur Louverture. If you were to look at #499 and #539, you would see that I was only slightly suspicious as he had not posted at all. Now, do not get me wrong, I am still suspicious of Monsieur Louverture, such as the codes and whatnot, but I was not in the chat so I do not know the legitimacy of what he said. Thus, now that he does speak, I am even less suspicious than I already was. I find nothing wrong with posting late into the day, as long as they do contribute some, since there may be legitimate reasons as to why one cannot post. What I cannot stand is not posting at all, as that shows the irresponsibility of the player in not contributing or in not informing us that they will be unable to contribute.

[Hedouville]

If I eat the heart do I get a second life?



You see no danger? Ok lets just out all of the melders so the cultists and neutral killer can pick and choose 1/3 to kill/convert and likely hit our Melder. Great plan!
If a melder is converted, there's another day after that. The melder's can claim melded then. There's also something called a last will?

Right now the town doesn't need to know all three names in the meld chat. We only need 1 spokes person per day and the others to keep an eye on each other. There will be opportunities to figure out if someone melded was culted or not too.

Basically what we are trying to do is delay the cult figuring out all the names as long as possible. I don't see how your plan makes any sense to a pro-town player. I see it benefit the neutrals and cult though.

Spoiler : suggestion :

[Charles Leclerc]

Oh, H-ville is here. He said in spoiler box "Codes Establisted to Protect us From Cult, so move on."

Now please look at those sheep votes on Toussant and ask yourself which one is me most suspicious. My own vote is already on Baissou, so I suggest you should vote him as well.

[Capois LaMort]

If I eat the heart do I get a second life?



You see no danger? Ok lets just out all of the melders so the cultists and neutral killer can pick and choose 1/3 to kill/convert and likely hit our Melder. Great plan!
If a melder is converted, there's another day after that. The melder's can claim melded then. There's also something called a last will?

Right now the town doesn't need to know all three names in the meld chat. We only need 1 spokes person per day and the others to keep an eye on each other. There will be opportunities to figure out if someone melded was culted or not too.

Basically what we are trying to do is delay the cult figuring out all the names as long as possible. I don't see how your plan makes any sense to a pro-town player. I see it benefit the neutrals and cult though.

Oh, I forgot that the Melder was probably in chat himself. I suppose he would not just create a chat between random people and not watch.

[Alexandre Petion]

I am not saying that there were two duing Night 1. Instead, I am saying that the comte d'Hédouville or Monsieur Louverture could have converted the other over the course of the night, and during day chat, the comte's claim of being Melded may have emboldened Monsieur Louverture into claiming he was Melded as well.

In the first place, I was never very suspicious of Monsieur Louverture. If you were to look at #499 and #539, you would see that I was only slightly suspicious as he had not posted at all. Now, do not get me wrong, I am still suspicious of Monsieur Louverture, such as the codes and whatnot, but I was not in the chat so I do not know the legitimacy of what he said. Thus, now that he does speak, I am even less suspicious than I already was. I find nothing wrong with posting late into the day, as long as they do contribute some, since there may be legitimate reasons as to why one cannot post. What I cannot stand is not posting at all, as that shows the irresponsibility of the player in not contributing or in not informing us that they will be unable to contribute.

1. That's retarded. The real melders would know who was in the chat. It's suicide to lie being melded.

2. You are suspicious for all the wrong reasons. You are unsuspicious for all the wrong reasons.
According to your posting theory you should be voting 1 person right now. And I don't see your vote on him.

[Charles Leclerc]

Now please look at those sheep votes on Toussant and ask yourself which one is most suspicious.

Fixed.

[Alexandre Petion]

Oh, H-ville is here. He said in spoiler box "Codes Establisted to Protect us From Cult, so move on."

Now please look at those sheep votes on Toussant and ask yourself which one is me most suspicious. My own vote is already on Baissou, so I suggest you should vote him as well.

How about no? If you want me to vote for someone I need you to convince me why I must place said vote.
Toussant isn't off the hook at all. I would like a role-claim from him before I move on. He already claimed being a 'PR' so he should let the town know what he is. Hiding what he is only benefits non-town players. Perhaps you are satisfied knowing he is a PR so you can target him later?

[Charles Leclerc]

I am not saying that there were two duing Night 1. Instead, I am saying that the comte d'Hédouville or Monsieur Louverture could have converted the other over the course of the night, and during day chat, the comte's claim of being Melded may have emboldened Monsieur Louverture into claiming he was Melded as well.

But there was a third person in the mind meld chat. And how they would do that, escpecially when H-ville said that the codes were established to protect then from cult?

[Catherine Flon]

Thanks, Hedouville.

I also agree that Capois has no need to suspect the mind meld after two claimers appear at Day 2.

The cultist plot for mind meld at day 2 is impossible, since there is only 1 cultist in night 1 chat, unless, one of them converted the other.

However, the 3rd person is quite important because if there is such a plot, this person will damage cultist directly.

I now need to rethink Capois' position, but I still hold my faith in this gentleman.

I believe there are enough thing to convince me that Toussant L'Ouverturer can dodge today's lynch threat.

I think the mind melder choose this one to be in MD chat has some meaning.

The fact that Toussant claimed PR and got selected into MD must have some link in between.

I think this MD will not vote on Toussant as well as Hedouville did not.

The third person might followed the same plan and I conclude that those 3 voters had established some level of trust.

Also, the third person could be the MD himself, if Hedouville is the speaker.

I agree that the MD should select Hedouville again into MD chat, he has been a good speaker as one of the three.

If it is truly a hidden SK, I think this sk might want us fight each other to death and strikes half way.

that suggests,

This SK has to be high skilled enough that he can calmly wait for his chance and avoid spot light at day.

@Alexandre Petion
I was pointing out some obvious things because I think we should go over pressure vote fast, I see not much point to press the only PR claimer today, when he has at least 2 back-up.

I am interested in discuss the 2nd lynch candidate, Anacona (2 [L-9]).

[Capois LaMort]

1. That's retarded. The real melders would know who was in the chat. It's suicide to lie being melded.

2. You are suspicious for all the wrong reasons. You are unsuspicious for all the wrong reasons.
According to your posting theory you should be voting 1 person right now. And I don't see your vote on him.

1. But there may be no Melder in the first place. Or if there is one, he could be convinced that there are two.
2. Maybe if you list why you see Monsieur Louverture as suspicious, I would see your opinion. I am not voting Monsieur Mackandal because my vote on Monsieur Louverture already sheeped 8 of 20 possible votes, so I do not feel that voting him would create much of an impact. Also, as I mentioned, my vote on Monsieur Louverture was only half-hearted, so I felt no need to really vote the other, other than maintaining my creed that I distrust those that do not post, which I already showed by the way of Monsieur Louverture.

[Capois LaMort]

I also agree that Capois has no need to suspect the mind meld after two claimers appear at Day 2.

I am just mentioning all possibilities. But that matters not at the moment, as I am no longer very suspicious of either. I am attempting to drop the subject.

[Hedouville]

Thanks, Hedouville.

I also agree that Capois has no need to suspect the mind meld after two claimers appear at Day 2.

The cultist plot for mind meld at day 2 is impossible, since there is only 1 cultist in night 1 chat, unless, one of them converted the other.

However, the 3rd person is quite important because if there is such a plot, this person will damage cultist directly.

I now need to rethink Capois' position, but I still hold my faith in this gentleman.

I believe there are enough thing to convince me that Toussant L'Ouverturer can dodge today's lynch threat.

I think the mind melder choose this one to be in MD chat has some meaning.

The fact that Toussant claimed PR and got selected into MD must have some link in between.

I think this MD will not vote on Toussant as well as Hedouville did not.

The third person might followed the same plan and I conclude that those 3 voters had established some level of trust.

Also, the third person could be the MD himself, if Hedouville is the speaker.

I agree that the MD should select Hedouville again into MD chat, he has been a good speaker as one of the three.

If it is truly a hidden SK, I think this sk might want us fight each other to death and strikes half way.

that suggests,

This SK has to be high skilled enough that he can calmly wait for his chance and avoid spot light at day.

@Alexandre Petion
I was pointing out some obvious things because I think we should go over pressure vote fast, I see not much point to press the only PR claimer today, when he has at least 2 back-up.

I am interested in discuss the 2nd lynch candidate, Anacona (2 [L-9]).

Spoiler : !!!!!! :

[Charles Leclerc]

Are you sure then Anacona is a good lynch candidate, Catherine?

I suggest Baissou. The reason why I put my first vote on him is his phrase "I am Town". However this phrase makes me think that he is actually not town. It made me feel that he was probably converted by the cult. And another one in post #560:

did he claim a role yet?

So he is now hunting for roles, huh? THAT's the reason why we should vote him.

[Capois LaMort]

How about no? If you want me to vote for someone I need you to convince me why I must place said vote.
Toussant isn't off the hook at all. I would like a role-claim from him before I move on. He already claimed being a 'PR' so he should let the town know what he is. Hiding what he is only benefits non-town players. Perhaps you are satisfied knowing he is a PR so you can target him later?

If Monsieur Louverture were an investigative role without any information, it would certainly benefit the Town for him not to claim. Investagtives are only useful to know of if they have information. If he is revealed as a potential threat to the Cult and benefit to Town, but no information yet, he could easily be killed or converted, wasting his reveal.

[Alexandre Petion]

Thanks, Hedouville.

I think this MD will not vote on Toussant as well as Hedouville did not.
Speculation.

The third person might followed the same plan and I conclude that those 3 voters had established some level of trust.
I don't see how this effects voting. You can trust players A and B but that doesn't mean you won't vote C if they don't.

I agree that the MD should select Hedouville again into MD chat, he has been a good speaker as one of the three.
I'm not sure if it's a good idea to give instructions like this, but I would think it's a good idea too.

This SK has to be high skilled enough that he can calmly wait for his chance and avoid spot light at day.
Or it attacked an immune target.

1. But there may be no Melder in the first place. Or if there is one, he could be convinced that there are two.
2. Maybe if you list why you see Monsieur Louverture as suspicious, I would see your opinion. I am not voting Monsieur Mackandal because my vote on Monsieur Louverture already sheeped 8 of 20 possible votes, so I do not feel that voting him would create much of an impact. Also, as I mentioned, my vote on Monsieur Louverture was only half-hearted, so I felt no need to really vote the other, other than maintaining my creed that I distrust those that do not post, which I already showed by the way of Monsieur Louverture.

1. That's highly unlikely to be the case. So extremely unlikely it looks like your just grabbing any idea that comes into your head.

2. I provided my reasons to place my vote on him when I voted. Go review it. Making a half-hearted vote is simply a bad move.

[Hedouville]

Spoiler : Killer possibility :

[Charles Leclerc]

Spoiler : Killer possibility :

That is possible. We'll find the answer by tomorrow.

[Alexandre Petion]

Are you sure then Anacona is a good lynch candidate, Catherine?

I suggest Baissou. The reason why I put my first vote on him is his phrase "I am Town". However this phrase makes me think that he is actually not town. It made me feel that he was probably converted by the cult. And another one in post #560:

So he is now hunting for roles, huh? THAT's the reason why we should vote him.

It's a weak reason compared to what I want. I'm not saying I trust him. (I mean he has the avatar of an antagonist and all)

f Monsieur Louverture were an investigative role without any information, it would certainly benefit the Town for him not to claim. Investagtives are only useful to know of if they have information. If he is revealed as a potential threat to the Cult and benefit to Town, but no information yet, he could easily be killed or converted, wasting his reveal.

He has night results. He claimed that. Whether or not he reveals his night results, he should reveal his role. He already painted a target on his back for non-town players. If he reveals his role we get an updated roles list, something to check to see if he's lying, and a claim he will have to stick by. He already said "Hey im a PR. Come cult/kill me." So giving us a role only helps.

[Catherine Flon]

1. But there may be no Melder in the first place. Or if there is one, he could be convinced that there are two.

I agree there are some possibility there, but the risk is so great that visually no one will make a wild lie on this point.

This plot is so impractical that no one will use it.

If we take those kind guess in our heart, no one is trustworthy. Not everyone born to screw you up, right?

Are you sure then Anacona is a good lynch candidate, Catherine?

I suggest Baissou. The reason why I put my first vote on him is his phrase "I am Town". However this phrase makes me think that he is actually not town. It made me feel that he was probably converted by the cult. And another one in post #560:

So he is now hunting for roles, huh? THAT's the reason why we should vote him.

I techniquely can tell you Anacona candidate are in my VIP pressure seat.

However, if we press by order or Tossant --> Anacona ---> Someoneelse(Baissou), we will free the most voters to start new round of pressure votes.

The problem you face when you try to press Baissou is the same. People such as Capois would hold his vote on first one on the pressure chain such as Tossant and has a good reason not to switch.

And the day will pass by and scums have a good day.

Thus, I would press Anacona and then some.

As everyone know, town still hold a great number and some great deference will be expected.

@Hedouville I do not think you will be on the first on his killing list.

Sk surely wants to hunt down smart people like you, but

IF cultists took over town then who is the most dangerous? Probably the sk.

Against town, this skilled SK may still got chance to talk around lynch.

However, facing Cultists who share plans and votes? SK is direly dangerous.

[Catherine Flon]

I techniquely can tell you Anacona is not in my VIP pressure seat.

Fixed.

[Capois LaMort]

1. That's highly unlikely to be the case. So extremely unlikely it looks like your just grabbing any idea that comes into your head.

2. I provided my reasons to place my vote on him when I voted. Go review it. Making a half-hearted vote is simply a bad move.

1. Yes I agree that it is unlikely, but I prefer to keep track of even unlikely possibilities, as many Mafia games are lost due to unlikely coincidences. I am not saying that it is likely, just stating it as a possibility.

2. You say he has come and not given information, then just left. On the contrary, he has given us valuable information. That he was Melded. That he was not doused (implied by his not mentioning it). Others have given less. And yes, I realize that it was bad of me to half-heartedly vote, as you have already made me regret, so we would not have had to go through all of this bickering, and could have had a more organized discussion.

[Alexandre Petion]

1. Yes I agree that it is unlikely, but I prefer to keep track of even unlikely possibilities, as many Mafia games are lost due to unlikely coincidences. I am not saying that it is likely, just stating it as a possibility.

2. You say he has come and not given information, then just left. On the contrary, he has given us valuable information. That he was Melded. That he was not doused (implied by his not mentioning it). Others have given less. And yes, I realize that it was bad of me to half-heartedly vote, as you have already made me regret, so we would not have had to go through all of this bickering, and could have had a more organized discussion.

1. .01% chance. I acknowledge that but think it's useless to talk about.

2. This is organized discussion and we are learning plenty about each other. His information isn't as valuable as what is to come. Being melded is just slightly valuable. Claiming not doused is more valuable, but still pales in comparison to what he has to offer.

I'm fully aware others have given less, I keep bringing up how two people have yet to give solid feedback.