Due
Hama
Huu
Jin Wei
June
Koh
Kuruk
Kyoshi
Kyoshi Warrior #3
La
Lion Turtle
Momo
Monk Gyatso
Pathik
Sangok
Tho
Yangchen
Wan Shi Tong
Wang Fire
Wei Jin
I'm too tired.
Since you're back and you are ignoring the questions regarding you obsession with Kyoshi.
-vote Wang Fire
Night. ~
I should dissapoint you first - I am NOT an executioner or whatever you are tying to call me, so Kyoshi can be anything. Rather than switching your votes to me, shouldn't we wait for Kyoshi and ask what she has to say? Like what happnened on Night 1 or so.
What makes you to believe that Kyoshi could be a Town Power role? Answer me that question first.
What the..
-vote Wang Fire
Can't answer me? What's your problem?
If kyoshi is appa, then she can simply tell us who was switched during Night 1. She was saved from lynch because she claimed herself a role and you chose to lynch Tho instead because of 3 posts. You only think that she could be appa because she said so on day 1, when no night actions has been set. So please be nice at let us wait for her return and ask her who was switched on Night 1. As soon as she gives out a credible answer, I'll gladly unvote her, provided there is enough proof and no one can counterclaim her.
The difference between you and me is that you are believing role claims without searching for proof first. I understand that you lynched Tho because he was MUCH more suspicious than Kyoshi at that point.
Well, I couldn't tell if you were offline or not! I thought that M-FM players usually turn their invisible mode on. Like I did.
I personally don't use invisible mode. I'm all about discussion, and knowing exactly who's online helps facilitate that. But that's off-topic.
Wang, Kyoshi WILL come back, and when she does, THEN we will pressure her. Calm down, man!
Yeah, you just do that.
Just as you know, I'm not the type who says "Oh so she claimed herself a town power role, so we should unvote her!" I want to BELIEVE first. This is not some sort of role claim that you can easily get away with if you are not the real appa.
Oh my gosh dude. We DON'T believe her, we just KNOW that it's POINTLESS to discuss it since she's going to prove one way or another when she gets here. And why we unvoted was cause potential tpr > lurker. Granted we could have done better on WHICH lurker, but w.e what's done is done
Then who else could be a Fire Nation member? can you answer me that? Let's bring you the votes from day 1:
Tho (11 [L-0]): Due, Lion Turtle, Hama, Yangchen, Kuruk, Momo, Wan Shi Tong, June, Wei Jin, Monk Gyatso, Kyoshi
Kyoshi (4 [L-7]): Kyoshi Warrior #3, Pathik, Huu, Wang Fire
Hama (1 [L-10]): Sangok
Will this help us finding scum among those who voted Kyoshi/Tho? Especially note those people who tried to lynch Kyoshi but switched their vote to Tho afterwards, and the manner in which they have submitted their votes.
Well, I just woke up to an unpleasant surprise. Fuck.
First thing's first, win conditions (evolved red/changeable yellow/locked in unchangable green):
Fire Nation
Zuko/The Blue Spirit
Iroh
Team Avatar
Freedom Fighters
Cabbages
Spoiler : Traitors :
Spoiler : Cabbages :
Is there a difference in terms of win conditions evolving etc. if Tui is killed specifically by the Fire Nation at night vs. dying by any other means?
Spoiler : Fire Nation :
Will Freedom Fighters know who else (Specific players converted) is in the Freedom Fighters?
Will Freedom Fighters know what RP roles they have obtained, other than their own?
Is there feedback if Jet visited someone and failed to convert?
Will Katara healing someone prevent them from being converted to the Freedom Fighters?
Spoiler : Freedom Fighters :
Important Conclusions:
The Fire Nation's win conditions have evolved, meaning if Team Avatar is eliminated they win and the game ends.
Iroh has to survive til game end, and thus will probably encourage any lynch he can.
We need be wary of any player that is not visited for the first 3 nights acting strangely.
We should NOT NOT NOT be claiming citizen all willy nilly. Looking at you Sangok. Water tribe citizens (2) are medium targets for the Fire Nation. Earth tribe citizens (4) are huge targets for the Freedom Fighters and medium targets for the Fire Nation. Please do NOT claim citizen without good reason (claim or lynch scenario, counter claim scenario, etc.). And for those of you that want to join Jet, keep in mind there are 9 town left, and 1-2 in Jet's faction. I encourage you to play the odds and stick with the town.
Will Koh be replaced soon? How much inactivity til a player is replaced?
Updated link list, for convenience/if anyone wants to go back through flipped dead players' posts
Living:
Due
Hama
Huu
Jin Wei
Koh
Kuruk
Kyoshi
Kyoshi Warrior #3
Lion Turtle
Momo
Monk Gyatso
Pathik
Sangok
Yangchen
Wan Shi Tong
Wang Fire
Wei Jin
Dead:
June Water
La Avatar
Tho Earth
The game just went off on its own against Slaol and Gerik's wishes. And all because of their half-assed "evolved win conditions".
Final part of my tri-partite post. Table to keep up with feedback and role claims as they occur.
Name N1 Claims Role Claims Due Bus swapped, Role Blocked Hama Huu Jin Wei No Feedback Koh Kuruk Kyoshi Aapa Kyoshi #3 Lion Turtle Momo Monk Gyatso No Feedback Pathik Sangok Citizen Yangchen Wan Shi Tong Wang Fire Wei Jin
Oh yeah, add my role claim there as well. Treat is as a joke or not, but I indeed claimed myself as a Citizen back on day 1.
Whoops I totally blanked and only put day2 claims etc. in there.
Adding them in now, feel free to point anything else out I missed.
Name N1 Claims Role Claims Due Bus swapped, Role Blocked Hama Huu Earth Tribe Citizen Jin Wei No Feedback Koh Kuruk Kyoshi Aapa Kyoshi #3 Lion Turtle Momo Monk Gyatso No Feedback Pathik Sangok Citizen Yangchen Wan Shi Tong Wang Fire Citizen Wei Jin
Remaining Role List:
- Fire Nation -
Admiral Zhao
Mafia
Mafia
Mafia
- Traitors -
Zuko
Uncle Iroh
- Team Avatar -
Katara
Sokka
Appa CLAIMED
Water Tribe Citizen
Water Tribe Citizen
Earth Kingdom Citizen CLAIMED
Earth Kingdom Citizen
Earth Kingdom Citizen
Earth Kingdom Citizen
(2 ADDITIONAL CITIZENS CLAIMED)
- Freedom Fighters -
Jet
- Cabbage Merchant -
Cabbage Merchant
Good morning!
I did in fact switch Due (I don't know why he claimed that before I revealed it)
The other person was Kuruk.
*Thoughtful hmmm*
This is a quote from your Readwall, Kyoshi, that you posted 30 minutes before end of Day 1. Given that you posted it in such proximity to the end of Day 1 I will assume it represented your thoughts going into Night 1.
Generally speaking, bus drivers tend to swap players they see as being Pro-Town with players they see as Scummy.Due- Seems pro-town enough. I expect more things from this player.
Kuruk- Pro-town enough at the moment.
What I don't understand, my friend, is why in this situation you have swapped two players you saw as Pro-Town with each other? What was your goal here?
I saw k3 ask if appa could self swap, yes I can.
Until host confirms, act under that mentality.
Keeping my switch targets in mind,
We know that Kuruk was targeted for role-block.
This can mean 2 different things,
1. we have a consort that targeted Kuruk.
2. Katara targeted kuruk.
Only katara knows the answer.
Would the consort and katara give the same notification? I.E. Role-Block vs. Freeze
Just in case.
Knowing that Kuruk was targeted for a Role-Block, do you think Katara would have targeted him with a Role-Block?
I know from my reads he seemed mostly town. That means Katara wouldn't block him imo.
This leads me to believe we have a consort.
Thoughts?
I personally think it was a consort who attempted to block Kuruk. Mostly because I did have a town read on him too and most others did. From Katara's standpoint would you roleblock someone or protect Appa from dying. Of course we didn't know you were Appa yet, but mafia could have tried to kill you before you could prove you are appa. So most likely it was a consort who went for Kuruk.
Just some bits and pieces I'd like to mention
Zuko: Hama kept insisting that Zuko is now locked against town. This is not the case. Zuko does however become extremely nerfed once he converts to town, so while he is a potential ally it may be in his best interest (and potentially ours) for Iroh to live as long as possible. It would also be in his best interest to set himself up as a potential ally, as barring extreme luck on his part I doubt he could fight off Team Avatar, FF, and FN. Also makes you wonder about Hama's motivations.
Iroh: Would obviously be opposed to Zuko turning town because it means he has lost the game. I'll agree with an earlier statement that he will probably push for every lynch possible. As long as Team Avatar has the majority (or close to it) we can turn this to our advantage.
Kyoshi vs Wang Fire: Kyoshi seems relatively believable until someone counters his claim. Wang on the other hand is either executioner, jester, or a power role WIFOMing as such. The blatancy of his actions pushes me towards Jester or TPR, but I'm still not convinced enough to have a call on that.
I also concur with my name clone that it was probably a consort, as he stopped me from posting this is mostly an afterthought.
Well, that's the kind of answer I wanted to see, Kyoshi. So unless anyone counterclaims that, your claim is valid.
-unvote
Why would Katara block anyone at the first night? Of course she would prbably try to heal Kyoshi or someone else. That beign said, we should talk with other people in order to find out Mafia. I have NO idea right now who could be in the Fire Nation, as everyone else is suspicious, no matter how much "towny" they look in my eyes. That doesn't exclude Lion Turtle as well.
Has there been any word from Koh? Good to hear though. If Koh is replaced 24 hours in, has his possible replacement already been informed? Can we expect their presence at 24hrs in barring Koh posting, or will they be informed at that time?
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Jin Wei, two requests:
1. Please get an avatar/pic, it helps distinguish posts from various players
2. Please post some initial reads on players. If you haven't already had a good read through the thread, this is a good time to do so, and you can take notes as you go. Granted you have reasoning why you were not here day1, so I hope you will help out more as we go, but you are clocked at 1 contributory post so far. Reads would be a good way to jumpstart.
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Due, one request:
1. When you got your role block feedback, did it have any specific wording? Something alluding to being frozen/crossing out that possibility?
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I think the majority of players had a fairly town-read on Kuruk, and I too concur on it likely being an escort.
Public Service Announcement:
People need to stop claiming citizen. Shame on any of you citizens that have done so. The FF want to convert Earth citizens, the FN wants to kill Team Avatar. If Zuko guns for Team Avatar too that's a potential loss of 3 of us in a single night. Yes, Zuko would be theoretically hurting himself since he can switch alignments through Iroh's death. However, he's pretty much going to execute every night at this point with the loss of Aang.
Just for clarification's sake:
When Zuko's Role Card now said he will be unable to act the next day if we releases a captive, does this mean he will not be able to talk or vote, or just that he is unable to capture someone the next day?
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Players that have not posted since daystart:
Huu
Koh
Kuruk
Momo
Yangchen
Still waiting on you guys to show up.
Everyone can go ahead and speak about feedback now that Kyoshi has declared last night's targets. I had no feedback.
Iin Wei: Guess you can disregard request 1 since you already did so, good on you
@Pathik, don't you mean consort? This sounds like a scum slip to me. You're thinking really hard about town roles in an attempt to seem towny thus you said escort instead of consort.
-vote Pathik
Wan Shi Tong, are you still around?
Kuruk, please confirm Kyoshi so Wang Fire has no excuse to keep tunneling her.
Huh, went through my post and I did in fact say escort. Meant consort, but typed that post while jumping around in it and obviously confused myself.
Once again, was jumping around while typing that post. Also considering we makes no sense in that context since Zuko is not aligned with Iroh and thus is alone.
That avatar was a failure. Nothing happened to me last night.
I was air bent, Role blocked, and encouraged last night. I feel so popular.
Just got back. Give me a bit to catch up.
Originally Posted by Zuko Role Card
That implies that returning and releasing are two separate actions, so zuko is still free to release captives.
I suppose in the future with something hinging a lynch we should be as careful as to ask it in black and white. Without Zuko being blocked from an execution I can see no reason at all why we would want to lynched with as little evidence as we had. Hindsite is always 20/20 I guess.
Also both of my / our scum leads were off it seems. I find it interesting that June was killed when he was so high up on the scum list. I kind of wonder if I was switched with June given my night feedback..
Makes sense. I posted my night feedback before reading through which was kind of stupid of me. I was a little shaken when I woke up today to find the day had been going for some time. I never caught that timeline update.
After the handful of posts I have read up through so far I will say that Wang seems very scummy. But very obviously so. I have a bad habit reading too far into peoples actions but maybe he wanted someone to pick up on that? Or maybe he is just not playing very hard..
Well we believe there to be a consort and with 2 roleblocks I think Katara decided to roleblock too then. Which one of you 2 though was her roleblock target and which one was the consort is the question. Also why either of you 2 would be roleblocked by Katara since there are good town reads on both of you guys.
Name N1 Claims Role Claims Due Bus swapped, Role blocked Hama Huu No feedback Earth Tribe Citizen Jin Wei No feedback Koh Kuruk Bus swapped, Role blocked, Encouraged Kyoshi No feedback Aapa Kyoshi #3 Lion Turtle Momo Monk Gyatso No feedback Pathik No feedback Sangok Citizen Yangchen Wan Shi Tong Wang Fire Citizen Wei Jin
The only other feedback possible in this game is:
Armed by FN
Silenced by FN
So everyone should claim their feedback, since it could reveal a FN role. Additionally, it could clear someone from FN unless they lie about it.
Glad to see Kyoshi is confirmed, since the only way this is untrue is if all 3 (Due, Kuruk, Kyoshi) of them are in cahoots haha