S-FM 114: Pursuit of Happiness

[Gerik]

Setup

Players:

1. Sen
2. powerofdeath
3. Cryptonic
4. NoctiZ
5. Ganondorf
6. Hypersniper
7. Bunny
8. Banshis
9. Azuriae
10. Slaol

6 votes to hammer.

Day ends at this time.

Commence.

[Slaol]

fuck

[Slaol]

Role Swag as fuck coming shortly.

[NoctiZ]

I'm on a pursuit of happiness..

[Sen]

-vote Ganondorf

He's a threat to the morals of the nation's youth.

[Slaol]

So. Here is the deal. The most effective way to win this game is to mass marines.

Basically, no matter what role we pick, if we all end up as the same role we will most likely win.

Doctors, chain heal.
Vigilantes, 5 KPN (counting Lynch).
Escorts, "#lolwhatmafiakill"
Sheriffs, mass information
Blacksmiths, instant confirmability through trackable feedback
Bodyguards, 1for1 the mafia to death.

Coroner, fuck that, useless
Detective, fuck that, Sheriff OP in this game
Journalist, fuck that, Sheriff OP

So. Here is my suggested plan of attack.

1: We decide what course of action we take.
2: We, unless that role to begin with, spam our role change ability to become roles with trackable feedback.
- Blacksmith, Escort, Journalist, Vigilante.
3: Once we are trackable roles, we can then speak and direct and coordinate the role changes effectively. This will take a few days, but we won't be useless roles in that time, and can utilize the time effectively even while buffing our late game. As well, we will be at a low chance for mislynch since we will have trackable feedback to somewhat confirm our power role status.

In Gerik's, basically failed, S-FM Democracy the Town wanted to all spam Escorts to prevent kills, but in the end the Town didn't commit and the structure was so poor that a no-killing-2-blackmailing-lurking-mafia defeated them by literally just not talking. Fuck that.

Let's start the ball rolling.

The power role claiming you think you saw in this post was true. I will be changing to Blacksmith today.

[Slaol]

With that I suggest something happen.

There are 9 players in the player list other than myself. Now that I am out of the discussion we will do something.

These players will become Vigilante (unless Vigilante)
1. Sen
2. powerofdeath
3. Cryptonic

These players will become Escort (unless Escort)
4. NoctiZ
5. Ganondorf
6. Hypersniper

These players will become Journalist (unless Journalist)
7. Bunny
8. Banshis
9. Azuriae


Now what we have is 2 things.
1: By tomorrow we will all most likely be stand alone trackable roles.
2: If any role changes fail we will know that the players in our bracket contain another Power Role.

[Ganondorf]

-vote Ganondorf

He's a threat to the morals of the nation's youth.

Umm, what were you saying?

What you have said is un-American and you will have your day when the governm-

Oh wait, they're shut down...

[Sen]

Umm, what were you saying?

What you have said is un-American and you will have your day when the governm-

Oh wait, they're shut down...

See what I mean?
Your subversive, communist behaviour will not be tolerated.

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Slaol, I'm kind of lost here.
If two Middle Class pick the same role, they will get roleblocked, so if any of your groups include two Middle Class and a mafia, that would basically result in the TPRs being roleblocked while the mafia gets through with their night action.

Am I missing something?

[Slaol]

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Slaol, I'm kind of lost here.
If two Middle Class pick the same role, they will get roleblocked, so if any of your groups include two Middle Class and a mafia, that would basically result in the TPRs being roleblocked while the mafia gets through with their night action.

Am I missing something?

Apparently you are missing that the TPRs would gain information about the players in there little bracket. They would have failed to change roles, but would know that another TPR was within their bracket. This potentially sacrifices night actions in terms of becoming the same, spammed, role. But it is not an entirely wasted night since we will learn about the players in our 3-man-bracket.

[Ganondorf]

See what I mean?
Your subversive, communist behaviour will not be tolerated.

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Slaol, I'm kind of lost here.
If two Middle Class pick the same role, they will get roleblocked, so if any of your groups include two Middle Class and a mafia, that would basically result in the TPRs being roleblocked while the mafia gets through with their night action.

Am I missing something?

Anyone who calls me un-American is un-American!

Also lol Slaol epic beast mode roleclaim. If we're going to determine what roles people go, I would recommend assigning a unique role to each person (ie 6 people take your 6 "useful" roles and the other 3 don't do anything tonight: rotate tomorrow).

[Ganondorf]

To be honest, I really don't like the idea of having a blacksmith in the game. First off, the blacksmith runs the risk of distributing supplies to the enemy combatants. Also, it gives the enemy combatants an opening to give someone a bad gun. In my opinion, vigilante/doctor > blacksmith.

[Slaol]

Anyone who calls me un-American is un-American!

Also lol Slaol epic beast mode roleclaim. If we're going to determine what roles people go, I would recommend assigning a unique role to each person (ie 6 people take your 6 "useful" roles and the other 3 don't do anything tonight: rotate tomorrow).

That plan, while possibly making my planning efforts useless xD, could work, however your plan allows more room for error I feel.
Mine we either all become trackable roles tomorrow, or learn that another TPR is in our bracket, which is information almost equivalent to a Detective.

[Slaol]

To be honest, I really don't like the idea of having a blacksmith in the game. First off, the blacksmith runs the risk of distributing supplies to the enemy combatants. Also, it gives the enemy combatants an opening to give someone a bad gun. In my opinion, vigilante/doctor > blacksmith.

Doctor is a shit role when put up against a role with auto-confirmability. Vigilante we could hear, but it's confirmabilty only follows shooting. Something I am not personally good at. (please see S-FM Half-Life 3)

[Sen]

I see.
I'm kind of tires right now.

Will emulate the scenarios tomorrow and see if there are no obvious issues with the plan.

If you're going Blacksmith, I guess you're giving a vest as your confirmation item, since the mafia can also give guns.

[Sen]

tired*

[Ganondorf]

Doctor is a shit role when put up against a role with auto-confirmability. Vigilante we could hear, but it's confirmabilty only follows shooting. Something I am not personally good at. (please see S-FM Half-Life 3)

While doctor and vigilante are harder and/or more risky to confirm, I believe it's a tradeoff: you sacrifice easy confirmability in lieu of safer night actions. I'm fine with your list of 3 roles to switch to, but I'd drop the escort in favor of a sheriff (I don't think roleblocks will be as useful on N1 as a sheriff read could be).

[Ganondorf]

My scum predictions:
1) Cryptonic
2) Azuriae
3) NoctiZ

If I'm right I take Raptor's place as admin right? kthxbai

[Sen]

Anyway. I hope there aren't any lurkers here.
Those who have played with me must know that lurking and having me as a vigilante would not be good for your health.

[Ganondorf]

Anyway. I hope there aren't any lurkers here.
Those who have played with me must know that lurking and having me as a vigilante would not be good for your health.

*hinthintwinkwinknudgenudgesaynomoresaynomore*

[Slaol]

Ganon, you of all people would know that a Mafia can win easily by faking Sheriff these days. (POD, that is)

Feedback, or what I like to call, 'host-talk' is one of the most powerful things for a Town. Your willingness to give that away is interesting.

-vote Ganondorf

Sheriff is an easily fakeable role. Not only could we lose the night actions to the role block in the same fashion as if people took Escort, but the end result would be more roles easily false claimed.

[Sen]

To be fair, all roles in this game are easily fakeable.
Even a Drug Dealer can fake a Blacksmith's vest. The rest have a scum counterpart.

If anything, the only thin that the mafia can't fake easily is a detective confirmed by others, or a doctor after saving someone(if the target gets healed feedback).

[Ganondorf]

Sheriffs, mass information
Detective, fuck that, Sheriff OP in this game
Journalist, fuck that, Sheriff OP

Ganon, you of all people would know that a Mafia can win easily by faking Sheriff these days. (POD, that is)

Feedback, or what I like to call, 'host-talk' is one of the most powerful things for a Town. Your willingness to give that away is interesting.

-vote Ganondorf

Sheriff is an easily fakeable role. Not only could we lose the night actions to the role block in the same fashion as if people took Escort, but the end result would be more roles easily false claimed.

Sheriff is OP: sure, false claiming sheriff can buy you an extra day or two, but I don't foresee that being an issue this game. Escorts have the potential to act against the town by roleblocking a town role, whereas sheriffs will always receive good information (because framers suck). Save the escort for N2 when we have a general idea of how people will flip.

[Ganondorf]

inb4 mafia NK and claim drug dealer who healed so-and-so

[Slaol]

Rainbow

Hey, host fag. Why did you 1: give Citizens last wills, 2: cycle day at midnight if you 3: are planning on modkilling people who dont post enough?

[Ganondorf]

inb4 mafia NK and claim drug dealer who healed so-and-so

Claim doctor (is drug dealer) who "healed" so-and-so

[Sen]

Claim doctor (is drug dealer) who "healed" so-and-so

Right. So the only confirmable TPR would be a detective who gives feedback on who another confirmed TPR visited the last night.

I'll just rely on the good old scumhunting.
PRs are overrated.

[Slaol]

Save the escort for N2 when we have a general idea of how people will flip.

Wtf does this mean? You said something about Sheriffs having n1 leads, but you ask people in group 2 to become Sheriffs. They can not have information n1 then. And an Escort going on n2 would not be able to block until n3. This shows a severe lack of preemptive planning. Coordination is best. Sheriff is pretty OP in its best case, but also easily faked. Would you feel we are best served steering towards all Sheriffs in the end?

[Ganondorf]

1) I see nothing to suggest that a middle class who successfully role changes cannot use his ability that night.
2) I would say, if anything, that we have the sheriffs early and then move to vigs/bodyguards/docs at the end

[Slaol]

Right. So the only confirmable TPR would be a detective who gives feedback on who another confirmed TPR visited the last night.

I'll just rely on the good old scumhunting.
PRs are overrated.

Framers can effect Detectives genius. Gerik's shit is pretty all around in making nothing trackable.
The solution, give Town the maximum amount of host information to sift through and make a proper decision on once we have it to look at. Either scum take trackable roles to attempt to break up the TPRs, or they take feedback less roles and we can operate easily.

[Slaol]

1) I see nothing to suggest that a middle class who successfully role changes cannot use his ability that night.
2) I would say, if anything, that we have the sheriffs early and then move to vigs/bodyguards/docs at the end

You are right, fuck me I forgot the change is at end of day. Fuck.

Sheriffs early is reasonable, however as this is an S-FM it will likely only go up to ~4 days maximum. This plan is to be short lived.

Perhaps we establish that particular roles do something.
i.e. Coroners get the fuck out of dodge, Detectives become Sheriffs, Sheriffs become Vigilante after finding a lead.

Stuff like this might work.

[Slaol]

More evolved plan.

- TPRs -
Blacksmith, Bodyguard, Coroner, Detective, Doctor, Escort, Journalist, Sheriff, Vigilante

Sheriffs: stay sheriffs until you find a lead, pass it off during the day as a read, then become a Vigilante and kill that person if we dont lynch them.
Detective: Become Sheriff asap. You shit in this game, especially with Framer affecting Detectives
Doctor: Stay Doctor until you can confirm someone via saving them. Then become Bodyguard.
Escort: You probably good.
Coroners: Odds are they have a Janitor, but you are useless on n1, so become an Escort or something.
Blacksmiths: I fucking love Blacksmiths, so fuck you guys stay blacksmith. Also, i'm not entirely sure the Drug Dealer fake gun will be hard to figure out.

[Slaol]

-unvote

OK, so Ganondorf's words made sense to improve my plan. I'll give a nigga some grace on having different opinions, should really learn the power of feedback though. Feedback is outrageously OP.

[Sen]

Framers can effect Detectives genius. Gerik's shit is pretty all around in making nothing trackable.

Ah, well. I should get some sleep.

[Sen]

-vote Hypersniper

Night.

[Ganondorf]

More evolved plan.

- TPRs -
Blacksmith, Bodyguard, Coroner, Detective, Doctor, Escort, Journalist, Sheriff, Vigilante

Sheriffs: stay sheriffs until you find a lead, pass it off during the day as a read, then become a Vigilante and kill that person if we dont lynch them.
Detective: Become Sheriff asap. You shit in this game, especially with Framer affecting Detectives
Doctor: Stay Doctor until you can confirm someone via saving them. Then become Bodyguard.
Escort: You probably good.
Coroners: Odds are they have a Janitor, but you are useless on n1, so become an Escort or something.
Blacksmiths: I fucking love Blacksmiths, so fuck you guys stay blacksmith. Also, i'm not entirely sure the Drug Dealer fake gun will be hard to figure out.

Fair enough: I see nothing horribly wrong standing out at me.

Slaol, it's not that I don't appreciate feedback, it's just that I personally prefer (and am better acquainted with) the typical "x says y is scum, what is x?" gameplay and I am even more comfortable when there are vigilantes/detectives present to supplement the PRs' powers.

[Slaol]

Fuck this shit for the evening. Guys, you need to make 10 effective posts or get modkilled. Gerik isnt fucking around!

[Hypersniper]

Hi I just woke up since I live in good ol brittainia

I'm not sure if sen is pressure voting or just voting

[Hypersniper]

More evolved plan.

- TPRs -
Blacksmith, Bodyguard, Coroner, Detective, Doctor, Escort, Journalist, Sheriff, Vigilante

Sheriffs: stay sheriffs until you find a lead, pass it off during the day as a read, then become a Vigilante and kill that person if we dont lynch them.
Detective: Become Sheriff asap. You shit in this game, especially with Framer affecting Detectives
Doctor: Stay Doctor until you can confirm someone via saving them. Then become Bodyguard.
Escort: You probably good.
Coroners: Odds are they have a Janitor, but you are useless on n1, so become an Escort or something.
Blacksmiths: I fucking love Blacksmiths, so fuck you guys stay blacksmith. Also, i'm not entirely sure the Drug Dealer fake gun will be hard to figure out.

Oh and this plan is perfect

[Gerik]

Rainbow

Hey, host fag. Why did you 1: give Citizens last wills, 2: cycle day at midnight if you 3: are planning on modkilling people who dont post enough?

Because reasons.

[powerofdeath]

Is this the game? Why the fuck is there no SFM 115 or whatever?

[Cryptonic]

GOOD MORNING!

Herro I'm an important town power role, doc on me pls. Thank you, much appreciated.

I'll just rely on the good old scumhunting.
PRs are overrated.

Don't hate pls. TPR not overrated; it's not like you can't scum hunt AND have TPRs. But I see your softclaim, kthx.

My scum predictions:
1) Cryptonic
2) Azuriae
3) NoctiZ

If I'm right I take Raptor's place as admin right? kthxbai

Says I'm scum before I post!?!??!!
Anyways, drawing attention to yourself d1. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING, SO I FORGIVE YOU!




Also @ Slaol, why would anybody turn to Sheriff today? I'm sure we started with a Sheriff, and all we're going to have is TPRs be blocked tonight because the Sheriff will just stick with it lol. Unless I'm reading this wrong...
Can we have multiple of the same TPR if they don't choose it on the same night? eg. We already have a Sheriff, someone changes to Sheriff = 2 Sheriffs?



Anyways, doc on me pls, ty

[Cryptonic]

Is this the game? Why the fuck is there no SFM 115 or whatever?

what a useless pos post. try again pls.
or are you just gonna talk about random things all game so ppl can't get reads on you?

[Bunny]

helllohello. just going to finish reading

[NoctiZ]

Slaol's plan is good. Don't know what else to say, will come back later with more thoughts.. hopefully.

[Azuriae]

'Morning, guys and gals.

Let me read the few pages Montaron has missed.

[Ganondorf]

Hi I just woke up since I live in good ol brittainia

I'm not sure if sen is pressure voting or just voting

I take it back: anyone from the EU is scum.

Says I'm scum before I post!?!??!!
Anyways, drawing attention to yourself d1. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING, SO I FORGIVE YOU!

No, I was using my powers of American intuition (which can only be acquired in the 17th best K-12 schooling system in the world) to make a (probably right) guess about who the mafia were so I could gain fame, fortune, and accolades when my guesses turned out to be inevitably right

I see nothing in the rules which expressly forbids having several of the same power role given the fact that only one person becomes that role each night. That being said, having a new sheriff for tonight would be helpful and we can get an escort N2.

[Sen]

I'm not sure if sen is pressure voting or just voting

I am an informed voter who knows what's best for the country.
I don't "just vote".

[Sen]

Don't hate pls. TPR not overrated; it's not like you can't scum hunt AND have TPRs. But I see your softclaim, kthx.

I don't softclaim.

Are you a communist?

[Cryptonic]

I don't softclaim.

Are you a communist?

Whatever you say, good sir. A slip is a slip is a slip! Whether you intended it or not, I received your msg.