The Mage Tower: night 3

[Forum Mafia GM]

An odd, tower-like structure stands before you. Surrounded by a hedge of bramble bushes that are mysteriously able to grow here. The building has no windows or doors, no stairs, nor any other ways that provide entrance. It is very doubtful that this construction is a solid mass of stone, however. In fact, one layer of the mason work lies deeper than others, and the stones below it seem to be loose. While they cannot be removed, they can be pushed upwards, and from there on out they can be moved left and right. So they can be repositioned in a different order. You are convinced that there must be a way to get inside. But how?

On the eastern side of the building there is a small outcropping that holds a torch. You do not know how long it has been since anyone was here, but the torch looks to be brand new. Haer-Dalis takes the torch in his hand and walks around the building with it. In this different light, he notices that the moveable stones bear an inscription with magical runes that could not be seen before.

“when” “your shadow” “flows” “in” “they” “swear” “their liquid” “of” “bhaal’s name” “fear” “we who” “to strike” “before” “the deed” “revel” “the heart” “in” “their end” “so” “was done” “our mark” “shall know” “from” “in” “their husk” “life” “comes”

It seems reasonable to assume that these words are supposed to form a phrase of some kind.


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Reminder:
Each group must vote for a “volunteer” to test their solution. Note that someone can be forced to take this position against their will. Whoever gets the most votes will be charged with the task. In case of a tie, the volunteer will be randomised to break the tie.

Voting for a volunteer uses the same formatting as voting to lynch someone, with [ vote ] [ /vote ] tags around their name. A majority doesn’t lock the vote. The tally at the end of the night is used.

Solutions can be proposed by anyone, whether they’re chosen as volunteer or not. A solution is proposed in the puzzle chat using the following format:

-propose solution

insert solution here



Unfortunately for the explorers, all of these locations are heavily trapped. If a wrong answer is given by the volunteer, he has a 66% chance of being struck by a trap and die. Having no proposed solution counts as a wrong answer.

If he is correct though, he will be awarded with a clue in his night feedback PM and the puzzle location will be closed.

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Player List:
FM Anomen
FM Imoen
FM Haer-Dalis
FM Coran
FM Khalid
FM Cernd
FM Kivan
FM Aerie
FM Keldorn
FM Kagain
FM Branwen

[FM Imoen]

Before I even look at the riddle, I just want to say

I told you so

[FM Haer-Dalis]

Before I even look at the riddle, I just want to say

I told you so

Yea : /

[FM Imoen]

Oh, it's this one. Ok, I think we solved this during the day, I shall search the scrolls for the records of it.

[FM Aerie]

I also told you to fucking lynch mazzy

[FM Haer-Dalis]

Oh, it's this one. Ok, I think we solved this during the day, I shall search the scrolls for the records of it.

Now that we know Mazzy is confirmed scum lets figure out her allies. Faldorn and Yeslick are 2 of them I know.

[FM Aerie]

Ajantis heavily defended mazzy. i think we should send him in to die to the trap if we can't figure out the solution.

[FM Haer-Dalis]

1) OK, the first thing you'll notice is that he never voted for Mazzy. He was willing to join almost every other major train at some point in the day (his votes: Quayle, Alora, Anomen, Alora, Viconia, Alora) but he never once voted for Mazzy. I (and I know I am not alone) still believe that Mazzy is scum, and Yeslick's voting patterns make me think that he is a cult who did everything, and I mean everything, in his power to avoid a lynch on Mazzy (and he succeeded).
2) He was the first to defend Korgan (I don't give a crap what you guys think, I'm not going to drop the 'Korgan' thing) and he also defended Khalid with the 3 words "Khalid is town" (best reasoning NA).
3) It feels like so much of his posting isn't original, but commentary (and by commentary I really mean criticism) of other people's posts. Sometimes it's flat-out calling someone stupid, and other times it's, again, derailing a lynch on Mazzy (or Anomen, at times, although he did put his vote on Anomen once).
4) He almost never explains his voting (and certainly not until after the vote has been cast). Even when he does explain why he has voted someone, I don't necessarily think he explains well enough (in his final case, the argument against Alora :P dat logic).

Yeslick and I disagree on a lot, and I mean A LOT, but I don't think that's clouding my judgement: I genuinely think he's been ignored up until this point and is at least worthy of a second look. I know there are multiple people that fall under this category, but Yeslick is someone I personally noticed this day, so here you go :P

This is from Valygar when I was in the satyr chat. The reason I didn't talk much is because I was fos'ing on Yeslick and I didn't want him to think I was watching him.

[FM Kivan]

Well, it was disappointing, but at least we took the safest route. Let's make up for it by solving this shit.

I like Keldorn's proposal:

We, who revel in your shadow, swear to strike fear in the heart of our mark.
So when their end comes, they shall know the deed was done in Bhaal's name before their liquid life flows from their husk.

[FM Aerie]

Or we could send kivan to die to the trap.

[FM Imoen]

The trouble is that many good-hearted souls were swayed by the tongues of villains. We must be very careful how we proceed. that being said, I have disliked Faldorn since the day began, and I am also beginning to suspect Kivan. I agree that ajantis is also suspect.

[FM Haer-Dalis]

Depends on flip, but at my level of confidence probably not.

This is from Yeslick during the day when Safana asked if the voters would lynch the other person if they lynch a town. I think that the cult was hoping Viconia would flip neutral.

[FM Kivan]

Imoen's proposal:

We, who revel in their end, swear to strike fear in the heart of our mark, so when your shadow comes
they shall know the deed was done in Bhaal's name before their liquid life flows from their husk.

I have to say I like Keldorn's more.

[FM Imoen]

Well, it was disappointing, but at least we took the safest route. Let's make up for it by solving this shit.

I like Keldorn's proposal:

The safest route was banishing Mazzy. I said this all along, but only a few listened.

[FM Kivan]

Or we could send kivan to die to the trap.

Or we could...I don't know, get a correct answer and solve it?

[FM Kivan]

The safest route was banishing Mazzy. I said this all along, but only a few listened.

Well you were right and we were wrong. Mazzy will be lynched tomorrow, no mercy.

[FM Imoen]

Well you were right and we were wrong. Mazzy will be lynched tomorrow, no mercy.

That's what they said about what would happen if she didn't prove herself to us yesterday. I'll believe it when I see it.

[FM Haer-Dalis]

Well you were right and we were wrong. Mazzy will be lynched tomorrow, no mercy.

Or we can hope our Necromancer if that part was true kills Mazzy tonight for us and then we can lynch the other cult.

[FM Imoen]

Your submission of mine is outdated, ser Kivan. This is the solution to which I was referring:

We, who revel in your shadow, swear to strike fear in the heart of our mark before their end comes.
So when their liquid life flows from their husk, they shall know the deed was done in Bhaal's name.

[FM Kivan]

Cespenar, I'm assuming we only have to propose correct "order" of the stones, right? We don't have to bother with an interpunction?

[FM Coran]

Hi, sorry for my lack of presence in day 3.
I had multiple thing to take care of and I didn't even had time to merely check to see what was going on.
I did scroll quickly to see that I didn't miss that much, (Pretty much the Mazzy/Viconia thing still going on and puzzle solving)

I must say that I'm sorry. I misjudged you Imoen.
But after checking all evidence we had, Viconia was the one that seemed more scummy. And I was wrong. At least, it was only an explorer.

Also, with Viconia flipping explorer, that make Safana's a possible scum taking in consideration that Safana's and Viconia's clue were contraditing themself.

[FM Haer-Dalis]

FM Viconia (21 [L--3]): FM Yeslick, FM Shar-Teel, FM Minsc, FM Khalid, FM Kivan, FM Coran, FM Dynaheir, FM Jaheira, FM Faldorn, FM Anomen, FM Tiax, FM Sarevok, FM Safana, FM Montaron, FM Ajantis, FM Nalia, FM Branwen, FM Xzar, FM Mazzy, FM Korgan, FM Xan

Green- Probably town on the train
Yellow- Could go either way
Orange- Leaning scum
Red-Scum

[FM Kagain]

I am here and saw the lynch. I am amazed that town went with the victoria lynch instead of the mazzy lynch when i pointed out the key factor on why mazzy was a scum, NO NIGHT 1 FEEDBACK. Anyway, if we are not confident or are confident in puzzle i am willing to go for it. I am kinda tired but have been paying attention to thread. If someone finds the solution I will copy and paste it and if we cant decide on who to send I am willing to go.

On the day 3 things that has been going on, I mostly saw people throwing accusations at each other left and right. We should look at the votes and see who was on each train. I'm inclined to think that if mazzy is indeed a cult, that there might be a possibility that cult(s) might be on the mazzy train to blend in. But i think we should look at who started victoria train and who did more tunneling on it

[FM Kagain]

FM Viconia (21 [L--3]): FM Yeslick, FM Shar-Teel, FM Minsc, FM Khalid, FM Kivan, FM Coran, FM Dynaheir, FM Jaheira, FM Faldorn, FM Anomen, FM Tiax, FM Sarevok, FM Safana, FM Montaron, FM Ajantis, FM Nalia, FM Branwen, FM Xzar, FM Mazzy, FM Korgan, FM Xan

Green- Probably town on the train
Yellow- Could go either way
Orange- Leaning scum
Red-Scum

We should see who changed their vote to cause it to go over because they might of been doing that to look like sheeps but be scums as well.

[FM Kivan]

Your submission of mine is outdated, ser Kivan. This is the solution to which I was referring:

We, who revel in your shadow, swear to strike fear in the heart of our mark before their end comes.
So when their liquid life flows from their husk, they shall know the deed was done in Bhaal's name.

Actually it sounds a bit better than Keldorn's.

We, who revel in your shadow, swear to strike fear in the heart of our mark.
So when their end comes, they shall know the deed was done in Bhaal's name before their liquid life flows from their husk.

Grammar question: is "flows" correct here? I'm not a native speaker at such a mix with future, past and present tense makes thing complicated for me. I just want to discard Keldorn's solution.

[FM Imoen]

-Propose solution

“we who” “revel” “in” “your shadow” “swear” “to strike” “fear” “in” “the heart” “of” “our mark” “before” “their end” “comes” “so” “when” “their liquid” “life” “flows” “from” “their husk” “they” “shall know” “the deed” “was done” “in” “bhaal’s name”

[FM Haer-Dalis]

I kinda wish I was in the night chat with Mazzy. I wanna see what everyone is saying lol.

[FM Imoen]

Actually it sounds a bit better than Keldorn's.



Grammar question: is "flows" correct here? I'm not a native speaker at such a mix with future, past and present tense makes thing complicated for me. I just want to discard Keldorn's solution.

"flows" is fine grammatically. But everything after the comma in the second sentence feels like a run-on. I tried to see if this was something that could be solved with punctuation, but I don't think it can. For the time being, I prefer my answer.

[FM Imoen]

I kinda wish I was in the night chat with Mazzy. I wanna see what everyone is saying lol.

At this point, I care not what they say. I put no more faith in their words than I would a rodent with my cheese.

[FM Haer-Dalis]

Actually I think Safana is cult too. I was thinking about her fake reveal.

Safana Fake Reveals.
Mazzy uses it to say Safana's clue was REAL so it proves Viconia's was fake making town want to lynch Viconia.
Yeslick makes a troll claim to Safana in day chat.

3 way scum interaction.

Also people needed to think. Why would a Duke risk their life trying to get a puzzle clue?

[FM Imoen]

Actually I think Safana is cult too. I was thinking about her fake reveal.

Safana Fake Reveals.
Mazzy uses it to say Safana's clue was REAL so it proves Viconia's was fake making town want to lynch Viconia.
Yeslick makes a troll claim to Safana in day chat.

3 way scum interaction.

Also people needed to think. Why would a Duke risk their life trying to get a puzzle clue?

Sefana is not the duke, but is not necessarily in the Cult of Bhaal. After all, he did post his clue before Viconia, which means unless his clue is redundant with Viconia's (ie. the contradicting parts were originally identical in both clues) or he did some very good/quick guesswork when altering the clue before showing it to us, I think it is legitimate.

[FM Kivan]

Haer-Dalis, Safana later told that she isn't Duke. I don't know what was her intention.

She volunteered during n1 and claimed she has an "expendable role".

[FM Imoen]

Also, the duke would risk it if he was viewed as evil and did not wish to reveal himself (not sure if they can reveal themselves at night)

Can the Duke reveal at night? Does a revealed duke's vote retain its increased voting power at night?

[FM Cernd]

Wow. You seriously lynhed Viconia instead of Mazzy?
lmao. You're fucking dumb.

[FM Kivan]

Btw, Imoen, are you willing to go as volunteer?

[FM Haer-Dalis]

Sefana is not the duke, but is not necessarily in the Cult of Bhaal. After all, he did post his clue before Viconia, which means unless his clue is redundant with Viconia's (ie. the contradicting parts were originally identical in both clues) or he did some very good/quick guesswork when altering the clue before showing it to us, I think it is legitimate.

Well I know she isn't a Duke. When she fake revealed I knew she wasn't a Duke since I couldn't imagine a Duke risking his life to a trap.

[FM Haer-Dalis]

Wow. You seriously lynhed Viconia instead of Mazzy?
lmao. You're fucking dumb.

People believed the scum more than the town.

[FM Cernd]

-vote FM Anomen

Suck it.

[FM Imoen]

Btw, Imoen, are you willing to go as volunteer?

I would rather send someone such as Anomen, who I do not trust at all, just in case we are wrong.

[FM Kivan]

I don't think Anomen is a good choice considering we have almost-perfect solution.

[FM Kivan]

How about me?^^

[FM Haer-Dalis]

-Propose Solution

“we who” “revel” “in” “your shadow” “swear” “to strike” “fear” “in” “the heart” “of” “our mark” “before” “their end” “comes” “so” “when” “their liquid” “life” “flows” “from” “their husk” “they” “shall know” “the deed” “was done” “in” “bhaal’s name”

I can go if you think we have the right answer.

[FM Ferengi]

Cespenar, I'm assuming we only have to propose correct "order" of the stones, right? We don't have to bother with an interpunction?

There are no punctuation stones, so you need zero punctuation.

Can the Duke reveal at night? Does a revealed duke's vote retain its increased voting power at night?

As was answered in the FAQ, the Duke can only reveal during the day, but his extra votes do count in puzzle chats.

[FM Kivan]

Shameless copy.

-Propose Solution

“we who” “revel” “in” “your shadow” “swear” “to strike” “fear” “in” “the heart” “of” “our mark” “before” “their end” “comes” “so” “when” “their liquid” “life” “flows” “from” “their husk” “they” “shall know” “the deed” “was done” “in” “bhaal’s name”

Sigh. I was pretty sure "our mark" refers to them being Bhaal's children and focused on "they fear our mark". Different usage of this word didn't come to my mind.

[FM Haer-Dalis]

I was thinking if Safana is cult then she is probably the prophet since she would be immune from getting killed. Otherwise I think she is a thief.

[FM Kivan]

That would be risky. "Secret" wasn't a sure thing, volunteer took quite a big risk. If Safana would be immune to traps it would bring attention to her. This would be very risky move.

It sucks that we can't trust anybody right now.

[FM Imoen]

I was thinking if Safana is cult then she is probably the prophet since she would be immune from getting killed. Otherwise I think she is a thief.

Why do you distrust sefana?

[FM Coran]

Why do you distrust sefana?

Personnaly, I don't trust Safana anymore due to her clue.

If Viconia's clue was the right one, how comes Sanafa's clue is in direct contradiction to Viconia's clue?

[FM Kivan]

Wait, I was wrong. We CAN trust some people. If we have Armoursmith, Enchanter, Heartwarder or Illusionist here they can be confirmed townies if only they can prove their night actions. They can't really be culted after revealing because lack of their actions would be very noticeable. Sure, they can be killed but we probably still have some protective roles.

So, if we had one of those roles in this chat we could use them and have 100% sure clue. What do you think?

[FM Haer-Dalis]

Why do you distrust sefana?

Safana is trying to act like he is neutral between the lynches. He was acting like he doesn't care on who gets killed. Then he did his fake reveal and voted Viconia immediately after showing he preferred the Viconia lynch. Although I don't trust Safana. I would rather get Yeslick after Mazzy. Yeslick acts anti-town. He says he is using a different way to play as town and he is only saying that so when people question him he can say he just messed up. He preferred voting on EVERY single train that wasn't Mazzy. He puts no reasoning behind most of his votes. The only time he voted onto Mazzy was beginning of day 3 since he knew Mazzy defied orders since he was in Mazzy's night chat. So he though Mazzy would die until Mazzy came up with the fake counter clue and then he switched off after that.