Crier shouldn't be an Executioner's target

[cxx]

Crier is a role that's basically auto-confirm with a slight delay. All you can do as Exec is to hope he gets killed and somehow win as jester.

Back when Spy still could read PMs, he couldn't be an Executioner's target, could he? So I'd prefer it would be the same with Crier.

[Noxava]

Okay if they are excluded, I guess crier should be excluded until there will be an evil version of crier.

[ika]

Exe can still have marshall and Mayor as targets right ? They are auto-confirm too, so unless he can't have those two, he should have crier as target aswell.

mayor and marshal are excluded, so was spy when it could read pms, im not sure if that is still the case

[Squidypie]

Criers don't usually reveal who they are early, and there's always a small chance you can just wait to lynch crier with maf (not something you can expect with Marshall/Mayor). I don't really care though exe win is almost always a cakewalk. Might as well tag on Vet while you're at it.

[cxx]

It is no cakewalk when your target is a Crier. And in a regular game, every crier would reveal when on trial.
It is unlikely to lynch the crier with maf, because he is usually confirmed in the lategame. Even in 3on3on1 situations (or less), if you reveal as exec and want to lynch the Crier together with the Mafia, most mafia players are too dumb to count or too chicken to reveal, so you will end up getting lynched yourself in most cases.

[Cryptonic]

I'd agree with this change. Or removing Crier, since no one WIFOMs at night anyways

It is no cakewalk when your target is a Crier. And in a regular game, every crier would reveal when on trial.
It is unlikely to lynch the crier with maf, because he is usually confirmed in the lategame. Even in 3on3on1 situations (or less), if you reveal as exec and want to lynch the Crier together with the Mafia, most mafia players are too dumb to count or too chicken to reveal, so you will end up getting lynched yourself in most cases.

That last part is so true... I was in a troll game once where there were lots of scum & neutrals and 5 town (all unlimited alert Veterans). Executioners target was always Town, and I rolled Exec. So, day 2 I go "If you guys want to get rid of a vet, lynch # because I'm Exec and my target is always town." Instead, I got voted up and lynched >_>; Stayed and watched the game and Town won >_> such morons SHOULDA LISTENED!

It also would've showed scum who the Veterans were because they wouldn't have voted

[Slaol]

Agreed. Lemme see.

[ika]

I think vet is feasible because the only way the vet can be confirmed is by its death, maybe we would make it so that vet is less likely but vet is almost an auto-confirm, you put 2 or more vets and you got ppl cc up the ass when there are 2 vet kills

[Cryptonic]

I think vet is feasible because the only way the vet can be confirmed is by its death, maybe we would make it so that vet is less likely but vet is almost an auto-confirm, you put 2 or more vets and you got ppl cc up the ass when there are 2 vet kills

Yea, agreed. Veteran is not confirmed town. Just wait for him to claim veteran and be like, NO I'M THE VETERAN, and lynch him.

[cxx]

Vet is only able to pseudo-confirm himself if he kills. It is a bit different to a Crier who will be able to doubtlessly confirm his role every time he is spared (unless he wasn't blackmailed the night before).
If you exclude a vet, a vigi is actually not far from that in terms of pseudo-confirming himself. However, to overcome a target's Crier claim as Executioner is way harder.

I think it was Deantwo who already suggested exchanging Crier with Spy regarding the Executioner's blacklist, and that sounds very reasonable, as there is no way a Spy as of now shouldn't be an Executioner's target.

[ika]

Vet is only able to pseudo-confirm himself if he kills. It is a bit different to a Crier who will be able to doubtlessly confirm his role every time he is spared (unless he wasn't blackmailed the night before).
If you exclude a vet, a vigi is actually not far from that in terms of pseudo-confirming himself. However, to overcome a target's Crier claim as Executioner is way harder.

I think it was Deantwo who already suggested exchanging Crier with Spy regarding the Executioner's blacklist, and that sounds very reasonable, as there is no way a Spy as of now shouldn't be an Executioner's target.

agree

the executions list should only exclude the following: marshal, mayor, and crier.

all other roles have a harder time confirming selfs, some do have an "easier" time (ie vet/vig) but is still viable to it, although crier can be a cc role if it comes nightfall the cirer can state that its not the actual crier.

i rmemeber one game where i was some non-town role (i think sk or something) and we had crier, i claimed crier and next night he said i was not crier.

Somewhat offtopic/funny idea: if a jester exist in game the executions target should default to that, that would make it quite funny for many games

[Helz]

I personally feel that the Exe is too easy to win with. Its pretty much 'Do you get your kill or does mafia kill your target N1 and you go for a Jester win'. I feel that Exe a crier should become an achievement if anything..

[cxx]

Any progress on this?

[arielb]

i don't agree with the change, it will make an executioner win harder.
its the same as jailor, if your target is jailor (which i had) - its problematic.

if the mafia have a kidnapper for example, they could kidnap the crier, and next day they'll think he lied.
so i wouldn't change it.

[st.rage]

Then what would happen in a game with an Executioner and having option "Always target town" and the town is made of Criers?

[Voss]

Then what would happen in a game with an Executioner and having option "Always target town" and the town is made of Criers?

Crier is going to becomea unique role soon

[deathworlds]

Crier is going to becomea unique role soon

Praise the son god.