Framer Option

[Claire_Stanfield]

If sheriff and investigator are replaced for example by lookout and detective framer is useless. What about making him frame person to look like he the same person as a random mafia member visited?(Mb killer)

[BorkBot]

From a logical point of view, it wouldn't make much sense if a framer could do that. It sounds more like something a disguiser could do.

Also, a lookout and detective are generally slightly less powerful than sheriff and investigator because they can't come to any conclusions solely based on their own information.

I find that the best way to avoid a framer in a setup with lookout and detective is to enable the option 'exclude support roles' in the Advanced Mafia category and backing it up with another Adv Mafia and/or Basic Mafia. The only other role you're missing out on that way is the Blackmailer. And let's face it, that's not such a terrible loss. The BM is probably the least useful mafia role at the moment.

[Claire_Stanfield]

This map isn't supposed to be perfectly logical.

[Doc]

Maybe create a new role for this? I know about the script limit issues, but it would be cool

[Zack]

The witch is there to mess with lookouts and detectives already.

[BorkBot]

An option to exclude Framers from randoms might be another solution to avoid having useless framers randomed into games without sheriffs/investigators.

Seems more viable than allowing them to mess with detectives and lookouts in my opinion.