S-FM 101 Back to basics

[Titus]

I want Dagaen and TDL to claim their results before we lynch Dagaen.

Why the confidence that we'll be lynching D?

[Mateo]

im about to go to bed, a few things everyone should be thinking about

1: we have a dead sheriff. no way we have 3 sheriffs. even 2 sheriffs in a 10 person game is hard to believe. so id believe tdls claim over dagaens as it would be pretty stupid for scum to cc. or a really risky gambit.

2: if orpz's attack claim is to be believed, it would have to be a direct attack, not arson since arson bypasses vests. so why was orpz attacked when he looked mighty scummy with his refusal to claim a role?

3: if orpz was attacked last night, then one of the deaths was probably an arson burn since there was only one attack claim n1. if there is no arson, then scum was hit n1 and didnt claim.

4: another possibility would be orpz is survivor but wasnt actually attacked and made it up to add more confusion while seeming to contribute. post 576 suggests this. regardless, one of the 'sheriffs' needs to die.

5: i think its entirely possible for town to be nothing but tprs, as it would punish town for role calls.

[Mateo]

i doubt there are only tprs though, but multiple escorts is very believable as they are so UP they do more damage to town, giving scum an advantage at night without giving them more votes during the day.

[TheDarkestLight]

I got Mateo as NS. So he isn't Consort.

-Unless Witch witched me, which I highly doubt as there are numerous Escort claims and those would be more likely to be witched-

Titus is either Consort or we have two legit escorts. Lynching between me and Dagaen is the best decision as we very well may have two Escorts, but three Sheriffs? Doubtful... Although it could be possible if we had an undetectable mafia -Framer/GF- which would make them more of a hinderance and I could possibly see Ika doing that...

-vote Dagaen

[Orpz]

Only one man would be stoned enough to attack me.

-vote TheDarkestLight

[TheDarkestLight]

Only one man would be stoned enough to attack me.

-vote TheDarkestLight

Stoned? What makes you assume I do drugs?

[Titus]

-vote Dagaen

I agree on the not having three sheriffs. I'm curious as to who Dagaen checked. Do not hammer D. I like TDL more as sheriff.

@Mateo, if TDL/D flips sheriff, we should both block the other one. If only one blocks them, we might have a dead escort.

[Orpz]

Because I sold you them for a bargain...

and how you guys not have seen this coming? You put him at L-1 and I'm Neutral.
Peace out Dagaen.

-vote Dagaen

[Mateo]

what about this: 3 sheriffs 2 escorts 1 doctor no citizens 2 sks jester and survivor/jester?

I know it sounds OP but at the same time this is definitely not a traditional save. with multiple of the same role, town does more damage to itself as we would lynch one of the ccers then when he/ she flips town we would lynch the other

[TheDarkestLight]

Because I sold you them for a bargain...

and how you guys not have seen this coming? You put him at L-1 and I'm Neutral.
Peace out Dagaen.

-vote Dagaen

Nice fake vote.

[TheDarkestLight]

I suggest one of you unvote incase Orpz comes back with a real vote...

[Poriomania]

I suggest one of you unvote incase Orpz comes back with a real vote...

What about you?

[Orpz]

What kind of scumbag do you guys take me for?

[TheDarkestLight]

What about you?

Derp.

-unvote

[TheDarkestLight]

What kind of scumbag do you guys take me for?

A bag full of scum.

[Orpz]

Why would you be scared of me hammering Dagaen if he's your CC and you don't believe him to be Sheriff?

[TheDarkestLight]

Why would you be scared of me hammering Dagaen if he's your CC and you don't believe him to be Sheriff?

Because I don't want the day to end early when we can get discussion in.

[powerofdeath]

Post #4 Day 2

Mateo claims Escort
Mateo claims to roleblocked TDL n1
Did not reveal his target n2

TDL claimed roleblocked
TDL claimed sheriff
Checked Mateo - NS

Titus claimed escort.
Titus roleblocked Slaol/Damus n1
Did not roleblock n2

Damus - sheriff, roleblocked, attacked, and healed, dead

RLVG - jester, dead

I claimed citizen.
Dagaen said I am NS

Noctiz claimed doctor and healed Damus n1
Dead

D claimed sheriff and Investigated PoD n1
PoD came up as NS

Porio claims citizen

Orpz - survivor, claimed got hit

Consort/Escort - Titus
Escort - Mateo
Sheriff - Damus
Doctor - Noctiz
Citizen - PoD
Citizen/scum - Porio
Sheriff/scum - TDL
Sheriff/scum - D
Survivor - Orpz

PoD and Mateo are NS to "sheriffs"
Porio and PoD are 2 counterclaims for citizens
Titus is confirmed as a roleblocker, but could be consort
TDL and D are 2 counterclaims for sheriff

[powerofdeath]

Post #5 Day 3

@Porio last wills are disabled, but thanks for sharing your thoughts

Titus seems towny so far. Probably escort.

That post #602 of Mateo is full of town tells.

I am starting to believe in 2 escorts.

Now this is our situation:
Which is more likely? 2 citizens? Or 2 sheriffs?
You guys should know 0 citizens and 3 sheriffs isn't true because sheriff claimed a citizen NS

[Mateo]

pod, in the future plz refrain from triggering scum traps

thanks

[powerofdeath]

pod, in the future plz refrain from triggering scum traps

thanks

Post #6 Day 3

I didn't even know there were a scum trap.

[Titus]

Can we get a prod on D? It's hard to analyze his behavior when he's not talking.

[Mateo]

Post #6 Day 3

I didn't even know there were a scum trap.

if D had supported my suggestion of 3 sheriffs and no citizens then it would prove he wasnt sheriff and trying to divert his lynch

[powerofdeath]

Post #7 Day 3

This is what struck me odd. Why would anybody want to attack Orpz, one of the scummiest people at night 2? This make no sense.

I am starting to think we do not have a witch at all.

This is my prediction on the set up
Serial killer
Arsonist
Survivor
Jester
Escort
Escort
Doctor
Sheriff
Citizen
Sheriff/citizen

[powerofdeath]

if D had supported my suggestion of 3 sheriffs and no citizens then it would prove he wasnt sheriff and trying to divert his lynch

Well sorry, make up another trap then
I suggest you do it while hes online not many hours before he get on.

[Mateo]

titus did anything happen to you last night

[Dagaen]

For fucks sake, why don't you ever consider timezones? Most of this discussion happened during 4-7 am in my time and now Titus tells that I'm lurking and I'm on L-2? I even have my location listed under my avatar, so you know that I'm like on the opposite side of the globe. I live in Poland, Europe not Poland, Ohio.

Anyway, I've followed your suggestions and checked TDL. And guess what? He is evil! Makes sense why he hasn't checked me and told Mateo is ns.

-vote TheDarkestLight

[Dagaen]

I didn't roleblock anyone because I didn't want to be witched. Not that did any good.

Why is cryptonic unknown?

I want Dagaen and TDL to claim their results before we lynch Dagaen.

Can we get a prod on D? It's hard to analyze his behavior when he's not talking.

I don't like how much trust Titus has for TDL. And why the hell didn't she roleblock me if she thinks I am such obvious scum? We both claimed Sheriff yesterday, if she didn't believe we have 2 Sheriffs in a game she should roleblock at least one of us.

Now when we've learnt that Damus was also Sheriff is obvious we can't both be Sheriffs, making this way simpler. Get TDL, I think Arson is quite a possibility here and we may be at MYLO right now.

I got Mateo as NS. So he isn't Consort.

-Unless Witch witched me, which I highly doubt as there are numerous Escort claims and those would be more likely to be witched-

Titus is either Consort or we have two legit escorts. Lynching between me and Dagaen is the best decision as we very well may have two Escorts, but three Sheriffs? Doubtful... Although it could be possible if we had an undetectable mafia -Framer/GF- which would make them more of a hinderance and I could possibly see Ika doing that...

-vote Dagaen

Have you noticed anything funny with TDL story? He mentions Witch, Framer, undetectable roles...I mean he is really preparing himself for mislych, doesn't he? "I checked the scummy guy and he was ns, but I could be witched or he could be framed" doesn't sound very legit.

[Mateo]

heres the problem i have:
i rbed tdl n1. so he cant be sk (i would have died that night).

if hes arson, then orpz wasnt attacked last night (there was a direct attack last night, no way theres 2 direct attacks and an arson).

witch is possible i suppose, but again that would mean orpz is lying as we wouldnt have 2 killers, jester, witch and survivor.

he could be mafia, if framer then i stopped his attack n1 and sk attacked slaol, or he could be consort and hasnt rbed anyone and only attacked.

id like everyone's opinions on these possibilties

[Mateo]

also

D, your targets for investigation have been shitty choices if you are sheriff. pod was the most town looking player n1, and checking ur ccer n2 when damus/slaol was still alive was really stupid.

and dont sign up for a game with mostly players half a world away then bitch that discussion happened while you were gone. we arent gonna just sit around waiting for princess D to post before starting discussion. its a waste of time, especially since days are 24 hours now.

[Dagaen]

Days are 24h long for this exact reason, so don't tell me to stop signing up just because I'm in different timezone.

I like how Mateo and TDL defending each other. But I will respond: PoD changed completely his playstyle which I've found suspicious. I don't know why checking my ccer would be bad idea, care to explain?

[Mateo]

ok, get lynched.

i said DONT BITCH about being pressured while you are afk, not to stop signing up you illiterate fuck. both noctiz and rlvg live in or around your timezone and manage to come in and post. so dont give us that feigned outrage.

and as for checking your ccer, why the fuck would we believe you over him? we specifically asked for the claimed sheriffs to check someone so when we lynched one of them, it would give us insight toward alignment. obviously theres 2 sheriffs in this save, and since damus wasnt dead yet, you couldnt be sure that tdl wasnt the other one.

eat rope pony fag

[Titus]

-vote TheDarkestLight

I do like D's defense here. I didn't realize that D was in Europe but I disliked the certainty people were pushing D. I'd actuallly do D one better and say TDL is the mafia who killed n1.

I was hoping the doctor could heal someone D. I was prime witching material to stop that so I submitted no action.

Mateo, I said I was roleblocked earlier today. I withheld to see if you were witched.

What do you think of the lack of an attack n1 and the appearance of a second attack now? Mateo wound up blocking TDL. If TDL was sk, Mateo would be dead. Therefore, TDL is not sk. There's a missing attack (which we know due to Orpz), and the doctor was on Slaol.

If TDL fips inno, we know Orpz is lying as TDL being scum is the only explanation for two attacks today and 1 attack yesterday as no one here would nk n1.

[Mateo]

what defense? his trying to redirect attention by saying im buddying with the person i rbed n1? or his trying to redirect attention onto pod, the person he claims to have checked n1? because the latter would only be true if pod were godfather.

[Mateo]

like you said, if tdl is scum hes not sk. and if orpz is telling the truth, then one of the kills last night was most likely arson, which means the arson has to douse again tonight. we rb the scum then lynch tdl tomorrow if dagaen flips sheriff. ez

[Titus]

I can't follow you to arson land. The arson lighting night 2 doesn't make much sense. Also, that means the arsonist doused Slaol night 1. I can't see that happening and the arsonist pulling the trigger night 2, especially with the doubts regarding the claims.

D's defense was appealing because he highlighted TDL didn't check who he was supposed to.

Occam's Razor says TDL is scum or Orpz is scum.

[Mateo]

who was tdl supposed to check? and by that logic, D didnt check who he was supposed to either. except D's claims for checking are a lot dumber

[Dagaen]

Well I thought me and TDL were going to check each other out. Also Escort claimers were going to roleblock same target, but I don't know what happened to that.

And wow, Mateo is raging so hard. I wonder why.

[Mateo]

why would we have the sheriff claimers check each other that wouldnt get us anywhere.

[Mateo]

titus unvote tdl, we arent done discussing and dont need someone to swoop in and hammer

[Dagaen]

Mateo who did you roleblock anyway? And why?

[Mateo]

i rbed titus because i knew it wouldnt interfere with town and would validate my claim

[Titus]

im about to go to bed, a few things everyone should be thinking about

1: we have a dead sheriff. no way we have 3 sheriffs. even 2 sheriffs in a 10 person game is hard to believe. so id believe tdls claim over dagaens as it would be pretty stupid for scum to cc. or a really risky gambit.

2: if orpz's attack claim is to be believed, it would have to be a direct attack, not arson since arson bypasses vests. so why was orpz attacked when he looked mighty scummy with his refusal to claim a role?

3: if orpz was attacked last night, then one of the deaths was probably an arson burn since there was only one attack claim n1. if there is no arson, then scum was hit n1 and didnt claim.

4: another possibility would be orpz is survivor but wasnt actually attacked and made it up to add more confusion while seeming to contribute. post 576 suggests this. regardless, one of the 'sheriffs' needs to die.

5: i think its entirely possible for town to be nothing but tprs, as it would punish town for role calls.

I like how this scenario conveniently excludes a TDL killer roleblocked.

I am fine if TDL gets hammered. If TDL is inno, we ikely have Orpz and D as scum. If TDL is guilty, we have you as additional likely scum. Win Win.

[Titus]

i rbed titus because i knew it wouldnt interfere with town and would validate my claim

Why did you feel the need to be balidated? The group knew you were escort/consort after RLVG's flip.

I could see TDL lying about your inno to get your support.

[Mateo]

ok so titus is the consort dagaen is the framer orpz is unknown neutral. GG

[Titus]

How about let me ignore all of Titus's good points and just say GG?

[Mateo]

I like how this scenario conveniently excludes a TDL killer roleblocked.

if you mean tdl is a killer and got rbed, that would mean he is mafia and sk attacked n1, which is op

[Mateo]

let me explain it in a way everyone should be able to understand:

the people dagaen claimed to check dont make sense, while tdl's do. wasting a night to check the least scummy player to "make sure he wasnt scum" when a framer could unframe him or he could be gf is stupid.

likewise, checking your ccer is stupid: the real sheriff checks the fake and finds out hes scum. he announces it next day. the fake sheriff CLAIMS to have checked the real sheriff and CLAIMS hes scum. we are then no closer to finding the truth and a night action is wasted.

dagaen came out and claimed sheriff unpressured for no reason. i see this as an attempt to get the real sheriff to reveal himself. tdl ccing dagaen would be extremely risky if tdl were scum.

titus, you have been defending dagaen since the day started, and only voted him after 2 other people had. you were bussing your scum partner so as to continue seeming town in case he got hammered.

-vote dagaen

porio and tdl, feel free to finish this scum off whenever you want

[Mateo]

addendum:

about tdl's targets, he never revealed his n1 target which makes sense because he was rbed and didnt want to clue scum in to who he suspected. his n2 target was me, which makes sense because i was mighty high on the scumdar.

IF dagaen flips sheriff, he deserves to lose for being an idiotic sheriff.

[Titus]

if you mean tdl is a killer and got rbed, that would mean he is mafia and sk attacked n1, which is op

Godfather - TDL
Mafia - ???
SK
Escort - Titus
Escort - Mateo
Sheriff - Damus
Sheriff - Daegan
Doctor - NoctiZ
Jester - RVLG
Survivor - Orpz

This setup looks pretty balanced to me. Of course, that means Poriomania and PoD would be the last scums. I still waffle on Mateo being escort or consort given how hard he insists that there can't be two killing factions unless there's an arsonist, which doesn't make sense.