S-FM 101 Back to basics

[Titus]

@PoD - Sorry, I'll try to be clearer in the future.

@Poriomania - Examples of his fence-sitting please and why you think they are scummy.

[Orpz]

-vote Dagaen

. Hm.

powerofdeath (4 [L-2]): Titus, Mateo, NoctiZ, Dagaen
Poriomania (2 [L-4]): Orpz, RLVG
Dagaen (1 [L-5]) Poriomania

What do you think of PoD being confident that he is an Exec's target? Other than that, I have a Town read on him too.

[Poriomania]

This seems like defensive move. I will pressure for now, but we should keep in mind that PoD always acts scummy, even if he is Town;]

-vote powerofdeath

"I will sheep my vote on PoD, but keep in mind that PoD's playstyle isn't indicative of alignment!"

Well, looking at PoD now I can see he is really trying. He did an analysis, he uses capital letters, he is actually contributing. Either he has really interesting role or really changed.

Funny idea: PoD is a Citizen and finally decided to stop sucking at it. Still, I would like him to respond to Titus' questions.

Oh, and Buccable will be replaced, I'm quite certain of it.

"PoD has changed for the better and he might be town but I still like my bad vote on him!"

Fencesitting is scummy because it shows a lack of commitment. It allows you to jump on either side if you see the other is gaining traction. It lets you jump on any wagon that suits you.

[Poriomania]

What do you think of PoD being confident that he is an Exec's target? Other than that, I have a Town read on him too.

I don't think it's indicative of anything. Modgaming is modgaming.

[powerofdeath]

Post #9 Day 1

Porio stopped sheeping people, and started a train on Dagaen. Porio brought up valid points about Dagaen. Porio is becoming more towny.

I am not confident if there is an executioner in game, but IF there is one, I am somewhat confident that his target could be me.

I've noticed that Mateo immediately starts lurking right after I commented that he is giving off a good town vibes. It seems like he is hiding something. It could be good thing like doctor trying to avoid a hit, it could be that he is jester and being towny is bad for him.

[Titus]

What do you think of PoD being confident that he is an Exec's target? Other than that, I have a Town read on him too.

It's just a method of self-vouching. I don't put any stock in it.

[vote]Daegan[//vote]

I agree with the fence sitting thing now that Porio's highlighted it and PoD might be a jester.

[Titus]

-vote Daegan

Derp.

[Poriomania]

Post #9 Day 1

Porio stopped sheeping people

Where have I sheeped?

Also, can you provide reasoning for your color coded t/s list? Thanks.

[powerofdeath]

Post #10 Day 1
Porio, please look at post #4
More green your color is, more towny you are
More red your color is, more scummy you are.
Yellow is neutral
Gray is no posts/lurking

I still need to update it.

Because I agree with Porio, I will apply more pressure on Dagaen

-vote Dagaen

[RLVG]

-vote Daegan

Derp.

I think it's quite tiring to watch wrong votes, even if I'm not him.

Dagaen.

[Poriomania]

Post #10 Day 1
Porio, please look at post #4
More green your color is, more towny you are
More red your color is, more scummy you are.
Yellow is neutral
Gray is no posts/lurking

I still need to update it.

Because I agree with Porio, I will apply more pressure on Dagaen

-vote Dagaen

You didn't answer my sheeping question.

And I need reasoning. What makes Mateo townie? Why do you feel as though Titus is scummy? Etc.

[Titus]

-vote Dagaen

Grr... My vote from earlier didn't take.

[powerofdeath]

Post #11
Porio I said the list still need to be updated.
Look at Post #4 for reasons for minor sheeping.
I am busy atm. I will update later.

[ika]

slaol will be subbing in for buccable i have been infored that the player will not have internet for some time and will not be able to play

[Dagaen]

"PoD has changed for the better and he might be town but I still like my bad vote on him!"

Fencesitting is scummy because it shows a lack of commitment. It allows you to jump on either side if you see the other is gaining traction. It lets you jump on any wagon that suits you.

a) I voted PoD to put more pressure on him, as far as I know he always slips after having many votes on him.
b) I didn't unvoted PoD at that point because I was waiting for more input from him (like answering Titus' questions). I don't see a reason in pressure vote if we don't extract every possible bit of information from that person.
c) Radical change of gameplay is suspicious to me. Sure, PoD is giving townie vibes right now but I still wander why he decided to change it. Since his response was more or less legit I can unvote now.

I guess you can feel some "lack of commitment" vibe on my part, because I am sick and everytime I swallow it feels like big iron hand is grasping my throat. Not really a defense, but don't expect great performance from me this game.

-unvote

Anyway, I have some questions on my own.

@Poriomania, in #41 it seems as you fosed Orpz and RLVG, yet you voted me. Why? Counting vote on TDL in the beginning it's almost half of town you suspecting.

@RLVG, why voting for longer games is scummy behavior in your opinion? Why do you think setup has 3 evil neutrals and not mafia? This seems really close to PoD's view of things and I think I saw possible buddying between you.

@Powerofdeath - Why did you start to number your posts?

[Poriomania]

Okay, then.

I'll be here, eagerly awaiting your updated t/s list.

[Slaol]

Sup? Ask me questions aside read nothing.

[Slaol]

As I've*

[NoctiZ]

-unvote

Welp, looks like I will continue watching this unfold.

[Poriomania]

a) I voted PoD to put more pressure on him, as far as I know he always slips after having many votes on him.

Show me the games where he does this,

Also, who do you think is scum and why?

@Poriomania, in #41 it seems as you fosed Orpz and RLVG, yet you voted me. Why? Counting vote on TDL in the beginning it's almost half of town you suspecting.[/QUOTE]

I didn't FoS Orpz or RLVG, I was simply pointing out the flaws in their voting of me.

I voted you because you hopped on a popular bandwagon and fencesat.

TDL was a random vote.

More concerning matters here..

it's almost half of town you suspecting.

How do you know that all the people I voted were town?

Nice slip.

Confirm Vote

[TheDarkestLight]

I'm here...

Wut u need?

[Slaol]

-vote Dagaen

I agree with scum slip accusation by Poriomania

[Poriomania]

Sup? Ask me questions aside read nothing.

Hello there, I'm Poriomania.

What do you think about the events that have transpired recently?

-unvote

Welp, looks like I will continue watching this unfold.

You too.

What you're doing just doesn't cut it. FoS NoctiZ

I refuse to believe that the only thing you have to say about the ~70 posts in this game (that aren't yours or the mod's) is some on-the-fence opinion with no evidence behind it. I'm not going to let you just "watch them duke it out". Contribute or get lynched.

[Poriomania]

Dagaen, you are at L-2. Please claim.

[Slaol]

Hello there, I'm Poriomania.

What do you think about the events that have transpired recently?

Haven't read them. Will work on doing that later.

[Dagaen]

How the hell "half of town" is a slip, please explain? I can see how saying "half of mafia" would be suspicious, but not "half of town". Especially that by town I meant every possible player here.

[Titus]

@Porio, seems like you are rushing to get out claims.

@TDL, the usual, read the thread and give input.

[NoctiZ]

Then plz lynch me Poriomania. You just won't be satisfied with the result.

I believe that the current metagame is shit. Reveal all you have while a good discussion is going on? Nah. Better WIFOM my shit through this.

Although I do have to say that I don't agree with the Dagaen slip. He made two slips, but they aren't all that much of a slip if you can see yourself in that same situation.

[Poriomania]

How the hell "half of town" is a slip, please explain? I can see how saying "half of mafia" would be suspicious, but not "half of town". Especially that by town I meant every possible player here.

Because when you say "half of town" you imply that you know that the players you talked about are town.

It's more of a language tell, but it doesn't decrease my suspicions of you. I admit that I kind of jumped the gun on calling it a "slip", which in fact increases my suspicion of Slaol slightly.

@Titus: Dagaen is at L-2. L-2 is the standard procedure of claiming.

[Slaol]

Does it now?

Escort.

[Dagaen]

this was asked by a Mateo: can framer "unframe" himelf (make hime show not suspicous)

the answer is yes he can the role does nto state that he can not so a frmaer will be allowed to

edit: we were ina game of sc2maifa and he decided to ask me becasue it was convenent

Btw, what do you think of this? If Mateo is Framer this would be typical question to ask and Ika made a slip by making it public.

[Dagaen]

Because when you say "half of town" you imply that you know that the players you talked about are town.

It's more of a language tell, but it doesn't decrease my suspicions of you. I admit that I kind of jumped the gun on calling it a "slip", which in fact increases my suspicion of Slaol slightly.

@Titus: Dagaen is at L-2. L-2 is the standard procedure of claiming.

Well, I usually use "town" when talking about entire set of player and use Townies/Town when speaking about faction. This "slip" is really stretched, I won't claim on L-2 for something like this.

I may be forced to claim on L-1, but I don't think it would be beneficial.

[Poriomania]

Well, I usually use "town" when talking about entire set of player and use Townies/Town when speaking about faction. This "slip" is really stretched, I won't claim on L-2 for something like this.

I may be forced to claim on L-1, but I don't think it would be beneficial.

Agreed. I started thinking about it and there's no natural way to refer to "the town" by something else.

Mateo, I see you lurking. Please comment on Dagaen's framer question.

@Slaol: Breadcrumb?

I'm still evaluating whether Dagaen's posts are coming from a town mindset.

[RLVG]

Escort.

God, Slaol is a town.

[Poriomania]

God, Slaol is a town.

Is this some elaborate trust tell?

How did you get to this conclusion?

[Slaol]

God, Slaol is a town.

And a shitty role at that.
Can't block GF
Can't block Consort
Don't detect feedback
Die to Serial Killer
Doused by Arsonist
Witch isn't even in OoO, so I assume it has priority.
I'm damned better off not blocking.

[RLVG]

And a shitty role at that.
Can't block GF
Can't block Consort
Don't detect feedback
Die to Serial Killer
Doused by Arsonist
Witch isn't even in OoO, so I assume it has priority.
I'm damned better off not blocking.

If there's a witch, you're now a tool.

[Titus]

@Porio, L-1 is the standard for claiming.

@All, Slaol claims that early can we all believe him? Really?

[Slaol]

If there's a witch, you're now a tool.

I actually doubt there is witch since it isn't in OoO.

[Slaol]

@Porio, L-1 is the standard for claiming.

@All, Slaol claims that early can we all believe him? Really?

I tend to claim my role, Parker.

[Dagaen]

Slaol claimed Escort and implied he won't roleblock anyone. So I doubt he is one.

[Slaol]

Slaol claimed Escort and implied he won't roleblock anyone. So I doubt he is one.

Incorrect.

[Poriomania]

@Porio, L-1 is the standard for claiming.

@All, Slaol claims that early can we all believe him? Really?

Mmm, I figured that it would be that since you can't self hammer.

After seeing a host of role claims from this site/other sites, I've concluded that role claims don't actually mean anything. Fine gambit to jump start conversation but IMO they don't mean anything.

[ika]

I actually doubt there is witch since it isn't in OoO.

witch is a possible role and i have added it to OoO, it was a role that was added later to the possible role list i just seem to have forgoten to add it to OoO

[powerofdeath]

Post #12 Day 1

I decide to number my post like any MVP would. Im being organized.

Poriomania seems like hes rushing on the lynch against Dagaen. It look like hes pushing it too hard. We have more than 24 hours left. Dont forget this.

I dont think Slaol's escort claim is legit, but i think he is town.

-unvote

I also doubt there is a witch in game. Ika seems clueless about the witch when I asked him if sheriff could detect witch.

[Mateo]

wasn't lurking, I left my browser open.

asked about framer because un framing mafia was a mechanic I hadn't seen before. if you don't like that answer then lynch me.

noctiz fence sitting seemed a little too obvious after dagean was accused of fence sitting.

pods comment about this game having untraditional role list makes sense, probably only one maf being framer and several evils.

[Titus]

@Slaol, if you're escort then block me. I am fine with being blocked.

[NoctiZ]

wasn't lurking, I left my browser open.

asked about framer because un framing mafia was a mechanic I hadn't seen before. if you don't like that answer then lynch me.

noctiz fence sitting seemed a little too obvious after dagean was accused of fence sitting.

pods comment about this game having untraditional role list makes sense, probably only one maf being framer and several evils.

I wouldn't call myself fence sitting, I just don't trust anyone right now. I first accused POD because I wanted to see him slip but no such luck so it's senseless and Dagaen didn't slip in my opinion, something we have all agreed upon now.

EZPZ

gonna go to sleep

[NoctiZ]

@Slaol, if you're escort then block me. I am fine with being blocked.

You can also do me anytime.

[RLVG]

You can also do me anytime.

And me.