M-FM XIX The Curse of Castle Varen Gamethread

[Sholanda Dykes]

Also if anyone is wondering why I think ritual killer here is my reasoning. In a game where we only know for sure we have 1 investigative role then I don't think that we are going to have a banshee who can keep on killing everyone. The 1 confirmed invest role we have needs time to actually get solid leads on the art collectors. The ritual killer gets stronger the longer this goes on, but it helps the invest too since it is less likely he will get hit right away too.

I still think we are going to have a blacksmith over 1 invest and 1 killing. 1 invest role seems very unlikely.

[Cryptonic]

Were the roles completely randomized?

that's one secret i'll never tell.
-xoxo gossipgirl

[Ace Chapman]

There's definitely a Banshee/Arson as KPN will be way too low without them, imo.

[snip]a framer isn't that helpful in a set up like this. It is very unlikely for them to actually hit a framed target when you have so little invests in the game.

Agreed. So, the general consensus seems to be:

Mafia:
Art Collector
Consort/Consig
Thief/Janitor
Tailor



Town:
Invest/Det/Look/Sher
Invest/Killing(based on presence of Blacksmith in-game)
11 Townies(Largely vanilla, with probably at least 1 blacksmith and 1 Journalist)


Neutral:
Benign(Amnes,Jest,Exe,)
Evil(Witch,Cult,CJ,Graverobber,Ghost)
Killing(RK, Banshee)


Imo, if there isn't a Thief, there'll be a Graverobber and vice versa. If there's only 1 Investigative, I'm thinking RK, as Banshee can pierce all healing under correct circumstances, which would be disastrous for us. If 2 Investigatives, then probability for Banshee increases, although I still doubt it. Ritual Killer seems more likely, as I think Host would want a longer, more satisfying game than Banshee would allow.

(Quick question for host: Assume Art Collector kills a Blacksmith whose LW states who he gave stuff to. Janitor cleans Blacksmith's role and LW. Tailor dresses Blacksmith as Vigilante. Are we notified that the Smith's LW is missing in this scenario? Are we notified of LW missing if Janitor cleans and there is no Tailor? )

And with that, I bid you all adieu, for I must go to bed now Good night all.

[Sidney Huffman]

goin to bed fellow thrill seekers, cya laters

[Charles Bronson]

I'm wasted as balls at the moment. What is the post requirement?

[Charles Bronson]

For future reference, I welcome any attempts to buddy with me.

We are totes friends.

Sup guys. Link to set up please?

Learn to setup link fuck.

Or am I a Doctor because I have a PHD in something?

Hell if I know...

Fuck you.

[Charles Bronson]

Game starts on day so which day action roles do we think are in game.

Journalist
Corrupt Journalist
Jailor
Interrogator
Architect

I'd say town likely has an architect. Cryptic likely wants to see his federal agents fall into a night chat.

Beyond that I think journalist/corrupt or Jailor/interrogation is likely,

[Charles Bronson]

that's one secret i'll never tell.
-xoxo gossipgirl

Mine wasn't. Me thinks,

[Charles Bronson]

There's definitely a Banshee/Arson as KPN will be way too low without them, imo.



Agreed. So, the general consensus seems to be:

Mafia:
Art Collector
Consort/Consig
Thief/Janitor
Tailor



Town:
Invest/Det/Look/Sher
Invest/Killing(based on presence of Blacksmith in-game)
11 Townies(Largely vanilla, with probably at least 1 blacksmith and 1 Journalist)


Neutral:
Benign(Amnes,Jest,Exe,)
Evil(Witch,Cult,CJ,Graverobber,Ghost)
Killing(RK, Banshee)


Imo, if there isn't a Thief, there'll be a Graverobber and vice versa. If there's only 1 Investigative, I'm thinking RK, as Banshee can pierce all healing under correct circumstances, which would be disastrous for us. If 2 Investigatives, then probability for Banshee increases, although I still doubt it. Ritual Killer seems more likely, as I think Host would want a longer, more satisfying game than Banshee would allow.

(Quick question for host: Assume Art Collector kills a Blacksmith whose LW states who he gave stuff to. Janitor cleans Blacksmith's role and LW. Tailor dresses Blacksmith as Vigilante. Are we notified that the Smith's LW is missing in this scenario? Are we notified of LW missing if Janitor cleans and there is no Tailor? )

And with that, I bid you all adieu, for I must go to bed now Good night all.

Fck you. Prepare to be metad. Can't com accuse,

[Charles Bronson]

Lets make a poll.what drink was I sippin on?

[Charles Bronson]

Was? Lol.

[Charles Bronson]

Who the only nigga eve smoked you under the table?

[Charles Bronson]

Who the only nigga eve smoked you under the table?

Willy Nelson.

[Rashid]

Howdy y'all, just checking in before I leave to go eat.

I find it hilarious that we had 3 separate people post on their main accounts all on day one XD. You think they'd be more careful.

Comments on setup:

I wouldn't be surprised if both fed agents were investigative, one being a sheriff/invest and the other a lookout/detective. After all, the RP has them here to find the Cult and Ritual Killer, not to kill them. This would also make logical room for a Framer in the mercenaries, and a blacksmith among the thrill seekers. There's probably either a janitor or a tailor among the mercenaries, but not both. I'm thinking tailor. Last mercenary could be a thief, or maybe interrogator or consort.

For the neutrals, well, I'm guessing the groundskeeper is a killing, either a Ritual Killer or a Banshee. Lord Varen is probably a Cult Leader, and Lady Varen a Witch.
Actually, that's probably too much power in the neutrals. Perhaps either the groundskeeper or the Lord Varen is some more benign type of neutral instead.

For the thrill seekers: Likely a token protective role or two, doctor/bg. Probably a coroner to counter the janitor/tailor. Already mentioned a blacksmith. At least 4 citizens, perhaps one of which is a "bulletproof". Probably an architect or journalist, not likely but not impossible that there's both.

I'ma go eat now.

[Charles Bronson]

Howdy y'all, just checking in before I leave to go eat.

I find it hilarious that we had 3 separate people post on their main accounts all on day one XD. You think they'd be more careful.

Comments on setup:

I wouldn't be surprised if both fed agents were investigative, one being a sheriff/invest and the other a lookout/detective. After all, the RP has them here to find the Cult and Ritual Killer, not to kill them. This would also make logical room for a Framer in the mercenaries, and a blacksmith among the thrill seekers. There's probably either a janitor or a tailor among the mercenaries, but not both. I'm thinking tailor. Last mercenary could be a thief, or maybe interrogator or consort.

For the neutrals, well, I'm guessing the groundskeeper is a killing, either a Ritual Killer or a Banshee. Lord Varen is probably a Cult Leader, and Lady Varen a Witch.
Actually, that's probably too much power in the neutrals. Perhaps either the groundskeeper or the Lord Varen is some more benign type of neutral instead.

For the thrill seekers: Likely a token protective role or two, doctor/bg. Probably a coroner to counter the janitor/tailor. Already mentioned a blacksmith. At least 4 citizens, perhaps one of which is a "bulletproof". Probably an architect or journalist, not likely but not impossible that there's both.

I'ma go eat now.

Took you a long time to post that.

-vote Rashid

[Tommy Calhoun]

-vote Charles Bronson

15% chance of him being a neutral.
If he's a neutral, there's an 8.3% chance that he's a jester.
So... there's less than 1% chance of he actually being the jester he's playing.

[Charles Bronson]

To,my you suck.

[Charles Bronson]

-vote Charles Bronson

15% chance of him being a neutral.
If he's a neutral, there's an 8.3% chance that he's a jester.
So... there's less than 1% chance of he actually being the jester he's playing.

I'm a bit less drunk now. Let me respond with this.

-vote Tommy Calhoun

[Sgt. Pepper]

*yawns*
My word, I appear to have overslept. Most unfortunate, I do apologise. Rather gruesome business with the Captain, what?
Anywho, onto the analysis.

I think that we have the numbers to have every unique role among the thrill seekers, though I do admit it would be unlikely. Personally I think Journalist is the least likely to have arrived, though I can't tell if the arrivals are randomised.
For the neutrals, thematically it would make sense for Lord and Lady Varen to be roles that aren't conflicting, but again, I can't say about any random element.
For the mercenaries...well now, that one is a more difficult one. There are several roles that could work here, and I'm hesitant to speculate without further information.

[Max Jets]

Yo! I finally broke out of jail. I managed to steal the rolelist aswell.

Roles List

Art Collector
Hidden Interrogator
Hidden Consigliere
Hidden Thief
Hidden Detective
Hidden Jailor
Hidden Architect
Hidden Doctor
Hidden Escort
Hidden Journalist
Hidden Blacksmith
Hidden Coroner
Hidden Citizen
Hidden Citizen
Hidden Citizen
Hidden Citizen
Hidden Citizen
Lord Varen (Hidden Witch)
Lady Varen (Hidden Banshee)
Groundskeeper (Hidden Ghost)

[Rashid]

Took you a long time to post that.

-vote Rashid

Took you a short time to post that.

-vote Charles Bronson

[Rashid]

-unvote

Anyone wanna talk about anything other than roles list conjecture today?

[Max Jets]

-unvote

Anyone wanna talk about anything other than roles list conjecture today?

Why? does the rolelist scare you?

[Demitri Krotchlikmioff]

Yo! I finally broke out of jail. I managed to steal the rolelist aswell.

Roles List

Art Collector
Hidden Interrogator
Hidden Consigliere
Hidden Thief
Hidden Detective
Hidden Jailor
Hidden Architect
Hidden Doctor
Hidden Escort
Hidden Journalist
Hidden Blacksmith
Hidden Coroner
Hidden Citizen
Hidden Citizen
Hidden Citizen
Hidden Citizen
Hidden Citizen
Lord Varen (Hidden Witch)
Lady Varen (Hidden Banshee)
Groundskeeper (Hidden Ghost)

Uh....

[Rashid]

Why? does the rolelist scare you?

No, but after the umpteenth person poses their guess at the role list, it begins to bore me.

I prefer some variety in our topics of conversation

Variety is the spice of life. It keeps things interesting, and thus promotes more/better conversation, which is pretty much always good in an entirely text/conversation based game such as this.

[Max Jets]

Uh....

If you are so smart then post your rolelist, please.

[Sholanda Dykes]

Yo! I finally broke out of jail. I managed to steal the rolelist aswell.

Roles List

Art Collector
Hidden Interrogator
Hidden Consigliere
Hidden Thief
Hidden Detective
Hidden Jailor
Hidden Architect
Hidden Doctor
Hidden Escort
Hidden Journalist
Hidden Blacksmith
Hidden Coroner
Hidden Citizen
Hidden Citizen
Hidden Citizen
Hidden Citizen
Hidden Citizen
Lord Varen (Hidden Witch)
Lady Varen (Hidden Banshee)
Groundskeeper (Hidden Ghost)

Not that I disagree with your list, but what makes you think the only investigative a detective. I just feel like with only a detective as the invest and a Banshee + the art collector the game is going to go by very fast by the time he can actually guess right and get a solid lead. I would substitute the jailor for an investigative role and keep the blacksmith on there. Most likely if there is a jailing role it will be an interrogator.

[Max Jets]

Not that I disagree with your list, but what makes you think the only investigative a detective. I just feel like with only a detective as the invest and a Banshee + the art collector the game is going to go by very fast by the time he can actually guess right and get a solid lead. I would substitute the jailor for an investigative role and keep the blacksmith on there. Most likely if there is a jailing role it will be an interrogator.

Only the federal agents can be investigative roles and i think at least 1 of them is a killing role. the lack of investigative roles makes me think that the town has a journalist, architect or both. The detective could be switched out for a sheriff or another investigative role but i only think the town will have a sheriff if the mafia has a framer.

[Sholanda Dykes]

Roles List

Art Collector
Hidden Interrogator
Hidden Consigliere
Hidden Tailor
Hidden Detective/Lookout
Hidden Invest/Sheriff
Hidden Architect
Hidden Doctor
Hidden Escort
Hidden Journalist
Hidden Blacksmith
Hidden Coroner
Hidden Citizen
Hidden Citizen
Hidden Citizen
Hidden Citizen
Hidden Citizen
Lord Varen (Hidden Jester/Amnesiac)
Lady Varen (Hidden Ritual Killer)
Groundskeeper (Hidden Graverobber)

That is an updated look at what I think is more probable.

Thief and Graverobber will probably clash too much so either one or the other. We need a neutral in this setup that can win by other means than just getting to the town to die. Thief and Interrogator are too strong together because they can both end up killing someone by their own means and that could easily screw the town. Tailor versus Janitor and I think tailor is more likely if we have a graverobber in the setup. Consigliere can stay since they either have a consig or a consort for their base mafia role.

[Sholanda Dykes]

Only the federal agents can be investigative roles and i think at least 1 of them is a killing role. the lack of investigative roles makes me think that the town has a journalist, architect or both. The detective could be switched out for a sheriff or another investigative role but i only think the town will have a sheriff if the mafia has a framer.

Well I see what you mean, but the blacksmith could potentially be the killing role in the set up if they end up being both investigative roles.

[Cryptonic]

Assume Art Collector kills a Blacksmith whose LW states who he gave stuff to. Janitor cleans Blacksmith's role and LW. Tailor dresses Blacksmith as Vigilante. Are we notified that the Smith's LW is missing in this scenario? Are we notified of LW missing if Janitor cleans and there is no Tailor?

No, if the target is cleaned, the town will only be notified that no last will was found.

[Ace Chapman]

No, but after the umpteenth person poses their guess at the role list, it begins to bore me.

I prefer some variety in our topics of conversation

Variety is the spice of life. It keeps things interesting, and thus promotes more/better conversation, which is pretty much always good in an entirely text/conversation based game such as this.

Please, suggest something. I'm interested in hearing what you would rather us discuss.

[Charles Bronson]

*yawns*
My word, I appear to have overslept. Most unfortunate, I do apologise. Rather gruesome business with the Captain, what?
Anywho, onto the analysis.

I think that we have the numbers to have every unique role among the thrill seekers, though I do admit it would be unlikely. Personally I think Journalist is the least likely to have arrived, though I can't tell if the arrivals are randomised.
For the neutrals, thematically it would make sense for Lord and Lady Varen to be roles that aren't conflicting, but again, I can't say about any random element.
For the mercenaries...well now, that one is a more difficult one. There are several roles that could work here, and I'm hesitant to speculate without further information.

I'ma go with scum for this condiment.

-vote Sgt. Pepper

[Sholanda Dykes]

I'ma go with scum for this condiment.

-vote Sgt. Pepper

Instead of randomly voting people and not contributing at all you should give us your idea of what you think the list is and the possible roles.

[Charles Bronson]

Instead of randomly voting people and not contributing at all you should give us your idea of what you think the list is and the possible roles.

That's retarded and everyone that thinks it will help is stupid. After night 1 we will have feedback to actually make a decision on some level.

I'm gonna slot you as a bad player for thinking early voting is bad, that my vote was fully random, and that it didn't contribute. I was wasted last night so my posts were very inefficient, but I've come down now so lets realize I am now focused. Sgt. Pepper came back Super Mafia too me last night. I am Mega Sheriff.

[Charles Bronson]

Mega Sheriff: check someone for scum during the day by not being stupid.

You people would prefer to discuss roles in the roles list instead of people. Cryptonic gave me a role not on the roles let specifically to screw with your minds. He thinks its funny for people to scum hunt during the day. Weird, I know.

Vote Sgt. Pepper.

[Elisha Wilkner]

Sup guys

I don't care about this role list discussion

hf doing shit
kthxbai

[Ace Chapman]

I have to agree with Charles on this one. We've milked the roles list for all we can at this stage, and we have a vague idea of what roles are most likely to be in the game. Now's the time to shift our focus onto actual people and continue role speculation tomorrow with more feedback. So with that, I'm gonna go with Charles' pressure vote, as there's no one that particularly strikes me as scum (Other than that Roland Chang character, but we should focus on one suspect at a time)

-vote Sgt. Pepper

[Professor Baxter]

Art Collector
Hidden Mercenary - consort
Hidden Mercenary - theif
Hidden Mercenary - consigliere


Hidden Federal Agent - lookout
Hidden Federal Agent - vigilante
Hidden Thrill Seeker - architect
Hidden Thrill Seeker - escort
Hidden Thrill Seeker - blacksmith
Hidden Thrill Seeker - journalist
Hidden Thrill Seeker - doctor
Hidden Thrill Seeker - bodyguard
Hidden Thrill Seeker - bulletproof
Hidden Thrill Seeker - cit
Hidden Thrill Seeker - cit
Hidden Thrill Seeker - cit
Hidden Thrill Seeker - cit


Lord Varen (Hidden Neutral) - banshee
Lady Varen (Hidden Neutral) - witch
Groundskeeper (Hidden Neutral) - ghost

[Pete Pendelman]

Art Collector
Hidden Mercenary - consort
Hidden Mercenary - theif
Hidden Mercenary - consigliere


Hidden Federal Agent - lookout
Hidden Federal Agent - vigilante
Hidden Thrill Seeker - architect
Hidden Thrill Seeker - escort
Hidden Thrill Seeker - blacksmith
Hidden Thrill Seeker - journalist
Hidden Thrill Seeker - doctor
Hidden Thrill Seeker - bodyguard
Hidden Thrill Seeker - bulletproof
Hidden Thrill Seeker - cit
Hidden Thrill Seeker - cit
Hidden Thrill Seeker - cit
Hidden Thrill Seeker - cit


Lord Varen (Hidden Neutral) - banshee
Lady Varen (Hidden Neutral) - witch
Groundskeeper (Hidden Neutral) - ghost

i agrre with this and hi pete pendleman here i dont think dr badass is a doc other then that im out

[Pete Pendelman]

I see you chane watching us from your boat and your binoculars

[Elisha Wilkner]

i agrre with this and hi pete pendleman here i dont think dr badass is a doc other then that im out

So smart

[Sidney Huffman]

-vote sgt. pepper

why the hell not

[Charles Bronson]

Who's alive right now?
Sidney, vote Sgt. Pepper

[Charles Bronson]

Lol you did. Avatar confused me.

[Charles Bronson]

These American Dad avatars are going to bug me being so similar.

[Charles Bronson]

2 guests viewing.
Mystery reserve confirmed?

[Ace Chapman]

I'm here. Just kind of lurking cause there's not much to do but wait for people to get here and possibly vote Pepper. Also, if I'm not on the members list but there's a guest, it's probably me, cause I'm keeping this game open while I do other things so I can keep an eye on it.

[Charles Bronson]

Ace. Turn invisibility off.
This goes for everyone. Posting with invisibility on says you're hiding.

[Ace Chapman]

Yeah, I just did that. I turned it on when the game started because I wanted to protect my COM, but then I realized that's kind of pointless for various reasons. I'm leaving it off for the remainder of the game.

Is there something we should be discussing?