M-FM XIX The Curse of Castle Varen Gamethread

[Ricky Spanish]

So Ricky suddenly feels like posting (and changing the subject) when we're talking about lynching Sidney.

What are your thoughst on the players?

So far, you've questioned some posts and discussed some meta, but haven't stated your opinion on players a single time, or participated in the votes. It feels like you're trying to deviate the course of the conversation towards rather unimportant matters.

In progress. Gimme a few minutes.

[Ricky Spanish]

Also, to Ricky and Laura. Since you are here, I want you to make clear what you feel about lynching Sidney: Will you vote him? Why?

Sidney at the moment is null to me. I'm going to do a full read on her when I get home. Even if I don't have time for that, I would prefer lynching a null read to a no lynch.

[Pete Pendelman]

Sooo I'm back from doing shit in France and not much has happened sadly

[Ricky Spanish]

Disclaimer: The following is based on the simple reading I've done in the thread. I'm on my phone, and will be able to do more in depth reads later on. These are only impressions.

Everyone not listed is null/unnoticed.

Town
Charles Bronson
Elisha Wilkner
Lestat de Lioncourt
Rashid
Jordan Edlistein
Ace Chapman
Uncle Kappy
Max Jets
Demitri Krotchlikmioff
Tommy Calhoun
Pete Pendleman
Scum

[Ace Chapman]

I'm in the middle of analysis and I have question for Ace.

At #342 Roland Chang appears, gives list of possible suspects and votes Rashid. This guy had only one "tl'dr" post before, he just came from nowhere to accuse people. In your posts (#346, #355) you don't seem to mind that some random guy accuses people, you just treat his "analysis" with all seriousness. Care to tell why?

I treated it seriously in part due to his analysis of me; he uses his own tl;dr post as a town read on me, which tells me he is intelligent and should be listened to. To discredit/ignore him would be to discredit/ignore(respectively) a possible smart, helpful Town, or worse, a possible scum masquerading as a smart, helpful Town. Either way, I felt it wouldn't be in our interest to ignore him. (In fact, the idea hadn't even crossed my mind, although I am worried about how much significance he gave to my comment on his tl;dr post.)

[Laura Vanderbooben]

Also, to Ricky and Laura. Since you are here, I want you to make clear what you feel about lynching Sidney: Will you vote him? Why?

I'm in the middle of my analysis, I just wanted to ask Ace question before night comes.

I'm quite comfortable with lynching Sidney. Not as much as I'd be with lynching Pete though.

[Tommy Calhoun]

These are only impressions.
Town
Demitri Krotchlikmioff

I'm waiting to see those in depth reads and i'm particullarly interested in finding out why you think the Jewssian is town, when he's done nothing but post his share of check-in replies and saying that he thinks d1 lynch is bad.

[Ricky Spanish]

I treated it seriously in part due to his analysis of me; he uses his own tl;dr post as a town read on me, which tells me he is intelligent and should be listened to. To discredit/ignore him would be to discredit/ignore(respectively) a possible smart, helpful Town, or worse, a possible scum masquerading as a smart, helpful Town. Either way, I felt it wouldn't be in our interest to ignore him. (In fact, the idea hadn't even crossed my mind, although I am worried about how much significance he gave to my comment on his tl;dr post.)

I read this as "He thinks I'm town, so I think he's worth listening to." Care to rephrase?

[Ricky Spanish]

I'm waiting to see those in depth reads and i'm particullarly interested in finding out why you think the Jewssian is town, when he's done nothing but post his share of check-in replies and saying that he thinks d1 lynch is bad.

It's a scale. Top is towniest, bottom is scummiest.

[Ace Chapman]

I read this as "He thinks I'm town, so I think he's worth listening to." Care to rephrase?

Sure. I should have given more reasons than that lol. If you read his actual analysis, you see that he actually went through the thread, noted every post # that he analyzed so we could go back and see what he was talking about, and also went into quite a lot of detail. All of this, in addition to the "Trap" he laid in his first post, lead me to think he's intelligent, and that is the reason I think he should be listened to, not because he thinks I'm Town (Also, if you note, a lot of people think I'm town, and 2 or 3 of these people I believe to be scum or undecided)

[Tommy Calhoun]

It's a scale. Top is towniest, bottom is scummiest.

Ah, got it.

[Ricky Spanish]

I'm in the middle of analysis and I have question for Ace.

At #342 Roland Chang appears, gives list of possible suspects and votes Rashid. This guy had only one "tl'dr" post before, he just came from nowhere to accuse people. In your posts (#346, #355) you don't seem to mind that some random guy accuses people, you just treat his "analysis" with all seriousness. Care to tell why?

Why would be discount the analysis at all? Activity level is in no way indicative of a players alignment or intelligence. If someone had discounted Roland's post because of his activity/previous posts, that would make them scum.

[Laura Vanderbooben]

tl ,dr.

rashid - scum
max jets - scum
Uncle Kappy - scum
Laura Vanderbooben - scum
tommy calhoun - scum

Charles Bronson - town

Elisha Wilkner - angry fat chicksguiser

-vote Rashid

I am going to Excel the shit out of this game!

These were all Chang's posts in the thread.

Hm. Gonna review the thread and see where Roland is pulling his alignment list from. Also, Roland, do you have any specific ideas about which person could be which role?

Ace apparently fully agrees with Roland's insightful analysis.

I treated it seriously in part due to his analysis of me; he uses his own tl;dr post as a town read on me, which tells me he is intelligent and should be listened to. To discredit/ignore him would be to discredit/ignore(respectively) a possible smart, helpful Town, or worse, a possible scum masquerading as a smart, helpful Town. Either way, I felt it wouldn't be in our interest to ignore him. (In fact, the idea hadn't even crossed my mind, although I am worried about how much significance he gave to my comment on his tl;dr post.)

There was no analysis of you at that point. You agreed with him before he posted it. I want you to explain your trust.

[Ricky Spanish]

(Also, if you note, a lot of people think I'm town, and 2 or 3 of these people I believe to be scum or undecided)

Why did you write this?

[Pete Pendelman]

Ricky I don't get how I'm the scummiest please I would like to know your reasons

[Ace Chapman]

First off Laura: No. I did NOT fully agree with his analysis. I stated that I wanted to see where he was puling it from, and I wanted additional information out of him. In no way did I suggest that I trusted him. I agreed with him AFTER he gave his "Part due" post, as he seemed to get quite a few things right (Although after I went back to do my checking, I found that I disagreed with Rashid as "95% scum", and my own alignment list reflected this in that I placed Rashid 50/50. I don't see where you're pulling the assumption that I agreed with him from.

I wrote that, Ricky, because you implied that I agree with people who say I'm Town. I wanted to point out to you that I do NOT buddy with people who think I am Town, and resent the notion.

[Charles Bronson]

Can I ask you to justify some of these? Specifically Sgt. Pepper, Martin Sugar, me, Max Jets, Uncle Kappy, and Tommy Calhoun. Thanks.

Sgt pepper has been explained
Martin is dependent on Sidney
You have been unhelpful
Max just caught my eye
Kappy was involved in conversation around the beginning of the Sidney train
Tommy is town.

Could you rephrase this? I don't understand the meaning.

Sidney's text style and opinions seemed to shift, and they matched ones I brought up for discussion long ago that Sidney did not find worthy of comment on.

[Pete Pendelman]

People who buddy

that pisses me off

the first person to say this line is duke nukem

[Charles Bronson]

Ricky I don't get how I'm the scummiest please I would like to know your reasons

You were told your play style is harmful, and basically told us you didn't care.
You said you can make big posts, then didn't.
Please, find us a reason to not think you are scum.

[Sidney Huffman]

Frankly I believe in lynching. I'd like to see one take place. And Sidney doesn't feel scum sheeped. The ratio is against us this game compared to others and there are quite a few people opposed to the lynch.. Seems odd, no? Also, nearly everyone I believe to be town has at some point felt Sidney was scum. If you notice I only look at first posts to decide, as our first read is often our most accurate, and the players least coordinated. Before they can find a foothold of sorts. I find Sidney to now be speaking like I spoke earlier- where was this earlier in the game?

I would suggest the lynch.

look slaol, i understand you are trying to make good with your promise after your shit performance as dunn in fm18, but being super-aggressive town with tunnel vision is just gonna leave you looking like a pleb. go ahead and lynch me, i'll gladly take the loss to humiliate you in front of all these people. maybe then you'll learn not to tunnel.

you cannot read me, stop wasting town's time trying to. just trust me when i say kindly FUCK OFF and let me do my thing. your arm chair psychology wont work here. your previous experience is null.

[Elisha Wilkner]

look slaol, i understand you are trying to make good with your promise after your shit performance as dunn in fm18, but being super-aggressive town with tunnel vision is just gonna leave you looking like a pleb. go ahead and lynch me, i'll gladly take the loss to humiliate you in front of all these people. maybe then you'll learn not to tunnel.

you cannot read me, stop wasting town's time trying to. just trust me when i say kindly FUCK OFF and let me do my thing. your arm chair psychology wont work here. your previous experience is null.

No COM hunting. That pisses me off.

[Pete Pendelman]

Wow Sidney your a fiesty one arnt ya

Charles I can make big posts I have notebook up full of analysis and etc that I will reveal when needed

Lol Elisha is using duke nukems line

[Pete Pendelman]

I'm questioning Charles at the moment noted as a town/scum

[Tommy Calhoun]

Well.
Whether he's town or not, his posts are harmful, his contributions are null and his typical "fuck you. you dumb. hurr" defense could be considered spam.

Whatever his role, I think we agree that getting rid of him would improve the daychat in future days.

Please add your votes: We have 4-5 hours to get rid of this nuisance.

[Charles Bronson]

look slaol, i understand you are trying to make good with your promise after your shit performance as dunn in fm18, but being super-aggressive town with tunnel vision is just gonna leave you looking like a pleb. go ahead and lynch me, i'll gladly take the loss to humiliate you in front of all these people. maybe then you'll learn not to tunnel.

you cannot read me, stop wasting town's time trying to. just trust me when i say kindly FUCK OFF and let me do my thing. your arm chair psychology wont work here. your previous experience is null.

COM accusation.
What have I tunneled? I suggested a lynch of someone that everyone I trust agreed was scummy. I suggested someone else earlier, and have been battling other people as well. I would also, frankly, be fine with a no-lynch. They're good, but not entirely necessary at this time. Just because you might be lynched doesn't mean I've tunneled. Maybe if you had been more helpful we'd be on someone else, and maybe if you actually read you'd realize I didn't tunnel.

You also claim I am Town. Do you just believe that? Or know that for a fact because you got a PM with someone else's name in it?

[Laura Vanderbooben]

First off Laura: No. I did NOT fully agree with his analysis. I stated that I wanted to see where he was puling it from, and I wanted additional information out of him. In no way did I suggest that I trusted him. I agreed with him AFTER he gave his "Part due" post, as he seemed to get quite a few things right (Although after I went back to do my checking, I found that I disagreed with Rashid as "95% scum", and my own alignment list reflected this in that I placed Rashid 50/50. I don't see where you're pulling the assumption that I agreed with him from.

Yes, I've failed to state my point. I am sorry for that.

I just find curious that you treat his post with so much... respect. You are very active and try to analyze everyone, but when random guy shows up with list of accusations you don't question him. You don't attack him. You just ask his opinion about people and try to find out why did he posted such thing. I have a feeling you trust his analysis and I have no idea why.

[Dr Jordan Edilstein]

I have... returned...

I'm questioning Charles at the moment noted as a town/scum

Holy shit he is either Town or Scum. I never would have guessed.

[Sidney Huffman]

No COM hunting. That pisses me off.

not com hunting.

just talking to the spirits in the walls.

[Charles Bronson]

I'm questioning Charles at the moment noted as a town/scum

Good. I need someone to start questioning me soon, or I'll be lynched out of paranoia when it's crucial. If I live very long.

[Charles Bronson]

Well.
Whether he's town or not, his posts are harmful, his contributions are null and his typical "fuck you. you dumb. hurr" defense could be considered spam.

Whatever his role, I think we agree that getting rid of him would improve the daychat in future days.

Please add your votes: We have 4-5 hours to get rid of this nuisance.

Look all this tunneling I'm doing.... I'm totally the only one pushing this lynch.
>.>

[Ace Chapman]

It was not my intent to give off a trusting vibe. I was holding off on "Attacking" as you say, until I had a firmer grasp of him. Everyone I had "Attacked" up to that stage had posted quite a bit before me, and I had something to go off of. I asked the question of him because I wanted to know IF I could trust his analysis. Again, not my intent to seem like I trusted him, because even now I'm not sure about him (Again, check my alignment list. I have him listed as Town, but I do note that he could still be scum). Any further questions?

[Pete Pendelman]

No meaning I think he is scum much more know then before


And LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH

[Laura Vanderbooben]

Ace, I'm fine for now. Thank you.

I'm going back to analyzing, I'd like to post it before end of the day.

[Elisha Wilkner]

Tomtom is scummier than he was earlier. Others mainly undecided.

[Sidney Huffman]

COM accusation.
What have I tunneled? I suggested a lynch of someone that everyone I trust agreed was scummy. I suggested someone else earlier, and have been battling other people as well. I would also, frankly, be fine with a no-lynch. They're good, but not entirely necessary at this time. Just because you might be lynched doesn't mean I've tunneled. Maybe if you had been more helpful we'd be on someone else, and maybe if you actually read you'd realize I didn't tunnel.

You also claim I am Town. Do you just believe that? Or know that for a fact because you got a PM with someone else's name in it?

you claim im worthy of a lynch because i trolled at the beginning and voted pepper.

my i remind town that last night when you were drunk you made several troll posts and started the vote on pepper.

you are the worst kind of town, the one whos "seen it all" so you fear what you havent seen. consider the socratic paradox.

[Charles Bronson]

Tomtom is scummier than he was earlier. Others mainly undecided.

Elisha could we get your player read list? Or did I miss it?

[Ricky Spanish]

look slaol, i understand you are trying to make good with your promise after your shit performance as dunn in fm18, but being super-aggressive town with tunnel vision is just gonna leave you looking like a pleb. go ahead and lynch me, i'll gladly take the loss to humiliate you in front of all these people. maybe then you'll learn not to tunnel.

you cannot read me, stop wasting town's time trying to. just trust me when i say kindly FUCK OFF and let me do my thing. your arm chair psychology wont work here. your previous experience is null.

Seeing this as well as the OMGUS makes me comfortable with this lynch.
L-3.

-vote Sidney Huffman

[Pete Pendelman]

If you vote today get 100 free cookies

[Charles Bronson]

you claim im worthy of a lynch because i trolled at the beginning and voted pepper.

my i remind town that last night when you were drunk you made several troll posts and started the vote on pepper.

you are the worst kind of town, the one whos "seen it all" so you fear what you havent seen. consider the socratic paradox.

I didn't say you trolled, nor did I accuse your vote on pepper. I said you were unhelpful (i.e. didnt answer questions and directly refused to coordinate) and I am still against pepper. It's like you didn't even read my posts...

[Elisha Wilkner]

Elisha could we get your player read list? Or did I miss it?

I was never asked dumdum

I could try, but I'm a paranoid lil motherfucker

[Sidney Huffman]

look at all this scum posting. prepare to eat humble pie.

[Ace Chapman]

Okay As for the lynch/no lynch dichotomy: I'm all for lynching today, but I would like to wait a few hours (At least 2 or 3) before doing so, because:

1. Not everyone has been active, (Kappy, Demitri, Tom, Max, Rashid, etc) and I want to hear from them, and
2: I want to see who will post an analysis before day's end.

[Tommy Calhoun]

Well. Gonna write my day analysis and try to post it before the hammer.

[Pete Pendelman]

Cheese

[Charles Bronson]

I was never asked dumdum

I could try, but I'm a paranoid lil motherfucker

Everyone was asked indirectly. Is ok, just post it, color code it, and make sure to include everyone.

[Ricky Spanish]

you claim im worthy of a lynch because i trolled at the beginning and voted pepper.

my i remind town that last night when you were drunk you made several troll posts and started the vote on pepper.

you are the worst kind of town, the one whos "seen it all" so you fear what you havent seen. consider the socratic paradox.

strawman, begging the question, ad hominem

[Tommy Calhoun]

Cheese

Stop spamming or you'll be next, even if you seem to blindly agree with everything I say.

[Charles Bronson]

look at all this scum posting. prepare to eat humble pie.

Or... You could contribute?

[Sidney Huffman]

plz go ahead and hammer, dont give scum more time to post.

im fine with dying, at least scum exposed themselves and wont use me as a scapegoat every time we vote.

[Elisha Wilkner]

I'm gonna unvote and try to post some reads lol

-unvote