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Must they survive?
Yes, Neutral Benign must survive. Adding additional information to win conditions.



Spy is severely gimped and thief isn't much better. If he does anything with his information he will just get killed and lose (if survival is part of his winning conditions).
It is a trust thing with Neutral, since they win with the winning faction.
Spy can fake as a Detective, tell them he's Neutral lookout.
Thief can confuse the town, prevent information, share them and tell he's Neutral, or lie as another role.

If you need different win conditions for them, feel free to suggest what would make it seem fair.




Kidnapper looks fairly weak if the town uses their lynches. Maybe allow him to jail on lynch days, but not execute.
Agreed, Kidnapper will be allowed to jail on lynch days.
Question: Should Kidnapper be able to be sendt for the kill if he jails?




Vigilante is not particularly strong with all the vests and immunities unless it's intended as a detection role.
It can be served as a "detection role", but the NK and Mafia that has vests are both vulnerable after a certain amount of attacks from either side.
Since there's the 2X limit of powers, there can be Vigilante, Mafioso & Arsonist, or Vigilante, Non-killing Mafia (no vest) and Serial.




Survivor looks quite strong. Not sure how to tune it aside from making it a standard vest user.
Survivor has been nerfed by having 3 on-use vests.



How do you roll this? How will you decide what players have to reroll if none of them exceed the limit of 2 per power?
Let's say 1 Killing, 1 Lunatic, 2 Support... (Mafioso, Arsonist, Consort & Survivor.)
It leans easier to scum if the setup can't get any legit combinations. (E.G Vigilante, Jester, Escort & Survivor)




Would an Arsonist burn players doused by a Pyro?
No.
Opinion: Should it be possible?




All at once or one at a time?
One at a time.



Is the thief informed what feedback was stolen and what feedback was targeted at himself?

What if redirection forces a thief to steal his own feedback?

The Thief is informed of all feedback that the target should've received. (RB, Attack, Immune, Douse, Evil)
Since he's last in the OoO, there's not a single feedback that escapes.
The Thief would of course, have two sepperate boxes. The first for actual feedback, the other for stolen feedback.

The thief targeting himself, his actions ignored.




If a detective targets a bus driver, what does he see?
The Detective will see the Bus Driver visiting his first target out of two.



If a witch/wizard targets a bus driver or jailor, what happens?
They will make the Bus Driver visit someone, but not actually changing the bus-swapping due to complex calculations.
Jailor would execute if he targets himself, or his target.
Answered.