Commence.
Oh, by the way, Ackerman is the witch. Or he wants us to think he is, anyway.
I am going to be lynched tomorrow. I claimed Doctor to Parker and Lichtmann was Doc. This is the end of the road for me.
There is no other mason and Parker has no idea what is what anymore. There is no hope for me anymore because Earle is going to visit Parker and Parker is going to out me.
If we wished to we could Kill Earle tonight and blackmail Parker into keeping silent about my claim and then kill him the next night but I am fairly sure that will lead to our demise. I cannot see any way out of dying.. the only thing we can do I believe is buss me.
Oh, and I'm pretty sure Green is the savage godfather.
But the article would get released anyways and Parker is outting me tonight...
FM Ackerman - Witch
FM Leary - Savage
FM Green - Savage GF
FM Earle - Savage Journalist
FM Fontaine - Savage
FM Donnelly - Blackmailor
FM Galloway - Drug Dealer
FM Mendez - Godfather
FM Kalou - Delta
FM Kelso - Delta
FM Mason - Escort
FM Parker - Mayor
FM Rose - Delta
FM Ryan - Delta
FM Chapman - Delta
FM Galletta - Delta
Godfather
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
Savage Godfather
Savage Journalist
Savage ???
Savage ???
[Hidden Epsilon]
[Mayor]
[Escort]
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
[Witch]
This is what I am thinking the role list and players look like.
By the way, now that Lichtmann is doctor, town will know he was telling the truth about getting witched feedback, which means Ackerman is lying and is probably going to be lynched tomorrow. So that should buy you at least a day, Galloway. Especially if we kill mayor.
Earle also commented on being corrupt journalist several times and hasn't made any hint of a want to go after savages. That suggests he has a huge potenial at being Savage Journalist.
Just as a heads up, I can't guarantee being around until right before the night action deadline. The earlier you get your proposed blackmail note approved, the better.
Kill
○ Parker
Drug Deal
○ Witched {Mason}
Blackmail
○ ????
What do you think?
I obviously agree with the kill. I'm torn on the drug. On the one hand, I like the idea of it. It could be used to clear me of being roleblocked if they try to use that to accuse me tomorrow. But if someone else claims witched, they could also take it as "mafia drugged you because they knew you were blocking donnelly, lynch the bastard".
Also I think Mason might be witched anyway, and if Mason gets two witched feedbacks, that will almost certainly reflect badly on me. I think we might be better off just to trust the witch on this one. Worst case scenario is that Mason doesn't get witched, and on day 10 you (Galloway) can pretend to be blackmailed, which will both confirm you as non mafia and confirm me as non-blackmailer (because you will later claim that you were bmed tonight and waited until the second day to do the blackmail).
No idea about the blackmail. Obviously I should attempt one. No idea what it should be, though. I really can't think of much that would benefit us at this point.
We can always give out fake feedbacks such as roleblocked to Leary or Chapman or something
So you claimed Doc to Parker? That's going to be awkward. We could kill him and gamble that he wont reveal you in the article. The only way to keep you alive as I see it is to Kill Earle which will prevent the article from going out. If he's a savage, it's to our benefit. If not, it still prevents Parker from outing you as a fake doctor.
Then we can blackmail Parker into something that will either prevent him from posting anything reasonable. i.e. Cleansed OR make it so he can only show suspicion against one player.
Written like - You may only show suspicion and vote against FM Ryan or FM Leary. You may not make reads, analyze or post opinions or claims from any other players. You are the only one holding town together, revealing the blackmail will almost confirm the loss. Not doing it on the first day will cause the delta's to no lynch.
The problem is this play just protects you. We are going to be outnumbered by Savages. We need to either lynch a savage tomorrow or kill one tonight. Killing Earle is our best bet because Savages may have targeted him and it can clear you with the right blackmail. That's why I think we need Parker still alive. If Parker dies, it will basically be just us vs Savages with delta fodder in between.
Also, Mason is not the Escort. He is definitely just a Delturd. Kalou is still the escort, notice how today he was all about lynching Mason, and as soon as Mason claims Escort there was 0 pressure from him. I don't think Kalou will target me or Donnelly so it should be fine. Galloway could be targeted, but it's unlikely.
@Galloway did the mayor reveal any other information to you? Like who he suspects or his reads? Don't reveal the code and Donnelly and I can't use this to our benefit...but it could be used well.
We shouldn't assume that Earle won't visit the Mayor.
linkAlso, another ploy Galloway is for you to claim student of Lichtmann and thats why you guys were talking about knowing eachother and him buddying with you. You would have to post almost at day start in the code to parker before he reveals your ass. We would still have to kill Earle in this scenario.Originally Posted by Earle
We can't lose another Mafia atm. That's a given. Unless we lynch the SGF, we cannot risk it. Keeping you alive is important now.
Hi Switzerland
If a mayor reveals they are blackmailed in Day chat do they lose their extra votes immediately?
Hmm... That could work, I guess... The funny thing is, now that most of the PRs are dead, your ability is kind of limited. The only drugs that it really makes sense for you to send at this point are witched, roleblocked, feedback block, and fake blackmail. Maybe fake soma.
At first I thought sending the fake blackmail might be good, but it's pretty risky because if town figures out it's fake and they can't figure out where the real one is (if I'm roleblocked, for example) it might look very bad for me.
Actually, come to think of it... I just got an idea. You sad Parker told you there was no Enforcer, right Galloway? Well since he didn't pass his latest soma yet, I think it's safe to say you're the only one besides the mayor who has this information. That means when we kill him tonight, my claim of mason enforcer once again becomes possible. Originally I was thinking we could send fake soma to support this claim but that might not even be necessary. We should, however, come up with a fake soma message that I could have sent to him (when we sent him the first fake one) so that I can use it in my claim. This is tricky because I don't really want to claim with the savages alive... I don't think they'll care given that they're at max capacity, but they might want to kill an enforcer anyway just to throw the town off.
Also, fun fact... Assuming none of us die tonight, and our kill on Parker is successful, scum will have the majority tomorrow. Hopefully we will get the town's assistance in lynching a savage. My bet is that Ackerman will be lynched, so that may not pan out. Though there is a chance that he was the savage that was sent to kill last night and that's why he didn't claim the roleblock. I'll probably try to push that angle, since even if he's witch, he's pretty much fucked so we might as well get some town cred out of it.
I disagree, I think Mason is really the escort. But anyway, the problem with killing Earle to stop the article is that the mayor would still be alive. So he won't need the article. He'll just say "Galloway is scum". And sure, a blackmail would be great here... Except the mayor has two days to complete the task. So he could just do it on day 11, and call Galloway out tomorrow.
SIGH.
Oh and I forgot to mention- I like the student claim idea (especially since it explains the buddying and such) but the problem is that I think Earle might be the corrupt journalist (I mean seriously, where the fuck else is the benign neutral?) in which case killing him would immediately ruin that plan.
Well Parker doesn't know that at least.
Witching Mason will just make him feel like a successful Delta troll. I think we should not rely on witch feedbacks.
Also Galloway, the student claim could actually work. Just do your typical calling everyone dumb[bleep]s and post the Code to Parker. He will have to accept it with the blackmail I proposed anyways for at least a day. Then we can kill him the next day after going after Savages.
Updated Blackmail note
Spoiler : blackmail note :
Would this be acceptable?
Is it acceptable to add a little note to the blackmail like this?
I think Ackerman is a good target for the neutral. Especially since he thought it would be "fun" to be in the gauntlet with rose tomorrow. Not something any delta would want to be in. I am suspecting Ghost and will be posting a code tomorrow just in case if he is getting lynched. Two corrupts doesn't make sense to me. It could be possible, but I doubt it.
I think I solved that problem with Mayor choosing to wait with the updated blackmail. Waiting ensures town loss, and we are telling him that the targets we give him are Savages, so he has to just take a chance.
Leo, if he takes two days then he would be ensuring his loss.
Oh yeah. Obvious thing that just occurred to me- Why wouldn't Galloway have just claimed student of lichtmann to the mayor? That would have saved the doctor and redirected the lynch. It doesn't make much sense for student galloway to let his master, the doctor, get lynched when he could easily have saved him.
If He waits til day 11 to do it, then he wont lynch anyone tomorrow and the blackmail still prevents him from revealing information about Galloway. 2 day restriction doesnt mean he can just choose to ignore it and the be blackmailed on 2nd day
And yeah, that is a flaw with the student claim. He could claim to be holding the information to see who voted against him and find the scum.
Mayor may find one of these players scummy. That's why I want to put the pressure on Ryan or Leary.
FM Ryan, FM Kalou, FM Leary, FM Mendez, FM Chapman, FM Parker (Mayor).
Perhaps, but that doesn't mean he won't take us down with him. Remember, town intends to get revenge on whichever faction kills the mayor. At least, that's what they've been saying in order to keep us from attacking him. lol. As if that ever mattered...
The point is, he'll see the blackmail as a sign of aggression and attempt to hunt us. It doesn't matter much since he has no clue who we are, but I still doubt he'll actually do the blackmail on the first day. Plus, it might just help him because it confirms those 2 are not mafia so if he decides to hunt mafia, his pool becomes that much smaller.
Well maybe Savages will kill Mason tonight then to show you.
Ackerman was not roleblocked -
Ackerman doubts Masons claim. Only reason why he would ask this.Originally Posted by Day 8 post 54
Ackerman still suspects Mason after mason claims to have roleblocked him.Originally Posted by day 8 post 58
I think later he realized Mason could be going for a wifom attempt as Delta which is why he decided to not reveal that he was not roleblocked until much later.
Day 7 Mayor told escort to block Ackerman. Which is probably why Mason guessed Ackerman or that he was roleblocked himself.
If he waits 2 days, then we are safe from his lynch for 2 days. He won't reveal his blackmail because he isn't aware that he has until the end of the day before the blackmail penaltys effect him.
We or the Savages will kill him in two days. So I am not worried about him coming back and taking revenge because of this. There is no more protection for him because of lichtderp. If you want we can lower the amount of targets to 1 player to raise the pool of non mafia.
The biggest problem I see with my plan is the Mayor sending Soma with a message saying that Galloway claimed Doctor to him. We just have to hope that the Witch actually witches him tonight.
I dreamed about that exact thing lol.
I could easily say that Lichtmann started pouting off about how we need to get rid of Parker because he was ruining the town with his leaderships and how he had started trying to push me into following him against parker and stuff.
I'd say it like this"
"Parker, I am now the Doctor offically. I was student to Lichtmann. I'm sorry for the lie but Lichtmann had to go. He was becoming a toxin to the town. Our night chat had become filled with rage posts about how bad you are playing and that you are leading the town into it's defeat and that we needed to get rid of you somehow."
If this doesn't work at least I can boast that I had a substanual impact on the game through my manipulations of the mayor.
I also like that idea that Leo had brought up. We desperately need the Savage GF lynched. I'm going to be doing my damndest to get Green lynched tomorrow.
No we aren't. He only has to do the blackmail for one day. He can vote/fos/whatver the fuck anyone he wants on the other day. So he could just lynch galloway tomorrow and then FoS leary or whatever the day after. Point being- we have no control over what the mayor does/says tomorrow. I think our best option is to kill him.
We really should just kill him now. Town will fluster and be easier to control. All of us are prominent memebers of the town and in position to take control so we can direct them to people we want dead such as Green.
...I don't believe this is how the role works. Another example blackmail that I thought could work -
Do not reveal any information or vote to lynch Galloway.
Then he can just lynch him and then say "I have no information on Galloway and wont lynch him the day after". I am pretty sure the role isn't that weak. I want the FM to confirm what you are trying to say.
If the blackmail clearly states that he can't do something. Then him doing it, no matter which day would be violating the blackmail.
@Attilla the article is going to make you obvious scum. You won't be able to control people if you are the scum spect.
I lead the mislynch basically on Lichtmann, so my town status will be questioned. It won't be hard to regain trust aka lichtmann was terrible....but still it will hurt it.
Also the other problem with you claiming student is the double drugdeals. People will associate a student with the drug dealer...
Godfather - Mendez
[Soma Dealer] - Galloway
[Soma Dealer] - Donnelly
Savage Godfather - Ryan
[Hidden Epsilon] - Ackerman/Green - ghost? honestly unsure here
[Hidden Alpha] - Parker Mayor
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Earle - Journalist / Savaged
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Kalou - Escort
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Fontaine - Delta turned Savage
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Kelso - Delta turned Savage
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Mason - Delta
Delta - Chapman
Delta - Galletta
Delta - Rose
Delta - Leary
[Random Any] - Witch - Green/Ackerman
One of my other Delta possibilities could also be savaged tonight. Depending on if Savages kill or not.
Oh, you poor naive Godfather...
Blackmailers can't do anything. Blackmailer is the new mafioso!
Seriously though. When I sent the blackmail "you may only post lines from cleanses. blah blah blah" That only applied for one day. Not because I said "for one day" or anything, it simply is implied that it is only for one day. It is one of the many, many, many, many, many limitations of the role. Same goes for yours. When you say "don't do x" all that means is that they have to not do x for one day of their choice. Please confirm.
I really think Savages will have this in the bag but thats only because no one in the town has any guts to lynch anyone who claimed delta. We probably could have had the gf down and out by now if they did.
I dunno what we can do exactly. Things have been taken out of our hands
Blackmailer is good for uh...confirming people as non-mafia. lel. I don't like that because what's the point of a blackmail if he can't actually stop someone from posting something. I want to wait this out to see. Because that would be hurpdurp bad if that was real. I'll stay naive
Attila, we have to kill savages. Town showed they were down for lynching Deltas today....so nothing stopping it tomorrow. Lichtmann and Rose were both delta claimers.
Since all the cool kids are doing it.
Godfather - Mendez
[Soma Dealer] - Galloway
[Soma Dealer] - Donnelly
Savage Godfather - Green
[Hidden Epsilon] - Earle (corrupt journalist)
[Hidden Alpha] - Parker (Mayor)
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Mason - Escort
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Ryan - Delta turned savage
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Fontaine - Delta turned Savage
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Kelso/Ackerman - Delta turned Savage
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Kalou - Delta
Delta - Chapman
Delta - Galletta
Delta - Rose
Delta - Leary/Kelso
[Random Any] - Witch - Ackerman/Leary
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Pretty sure Leary is scum. Ackerman is either the witch or a savage who got stopped from doing their kill last night. Mason is the escort. Kalou is a delta.
Art, you keep saying kalou is escort because he backed off of Mason after Mason claimed escort... I also FoSed Mason and backed off after she claimed. Why? Because she's the escort! If anything, it's proof of kalou believing the claim. I see no evidence of kalou being the escort.