Why not apply the same Mafia mechanics to the players themselves?

[Sen]

I'm sick of attention whores. i'm not calling them trolls because when the whole troll thing started, one of the core elements of it was to go unnoticed, pretty much like when you're Jester.

The thing is that I think that the current ban system is not practical at all. Both for players and mods; you can't expect people to waste 15 minutes after every game to report all the annoying people who broke a rule in there. And I bet that mods get a ton of reports and that must be annoying by itself.

So why are replays required from everyone? Why not do like in the game itself? See; once you have three confirmed invest roles claiming that # is scum, you don't wait for them to die to check the last will; you lynch the scum.
So why bother known players with having to save replays, upload them, check the ID, names and explain the whole thing when you can simply have some trusted people listing the scum and their offenses?

There are many well known annoying kids out there; some pause the game to try and get someone to quit, some other just pass each other the save until everyone (but their friends) leave, so the can start 4 players games and get cheap points. Known skypers. Hell, some even speak openly about how they watch child porn and invite others to do it.

Why do we need to upload replays for that? Hell, anyone who's played with Invictus, Eex, Matt, Zerg, ProToss, somethingSeRApHIm knows what they are. And the list could go on and on. Why wait for many people to upload enough replays for them to get banned and for mods to find time to review them when you could simply trust some players and perma ban them right away?

As I see it right now, reporting someone is like a punishment for the player: waste 15 minutes in the whole process, and that's if you don't need to check something on d7 or similar, then you just lost an hour, and in the best case you may get that idiot on the watch list a month later. In that time he just did the same a thousand times.

I love this game, but lately I've been thinking about playing something else just because of this; sometimes I have two hours to play, and it sucks to have nothing but games full of imbeciles in that time.
Also, the fact that that kind of people goes without punishment only makes things worse, since many kids will notice that and start following their example, knowing that it's quite possible that they can get away with it for some months until they get banned, and, quoting one of them "I have another 14 games I can troll when I get banned". Hell, some, like Matt, even go and say things like "go tell that fred faggot and watch him do nothing".

So... what I'm suggesting is for a method which gives us the chance to clean known nuisances the moment they commit a couple of offenses.

Good idea? Bad idea? Why? Other options?

[Mugy]

Replays are needed to confirm a crime happened, screenshots can be photoshoped. We can't take people's words for everything. Even replays can be forged now, but we have a method to deal with that.

Reporting someone takes me less than a minute for bank hackers, about 2 minutes for skyping reports. I don't understand how it takes 15 minutes to report someone. 15 minutes the first time you report someone, sure.

Copy paste format, type in name and ID. One sentence for the summary and then upload replay. Done.

Edit: those times I stated is the time it takes for myself to submit a report. I'm not lying lol.

[Sen]

I play on the TV and have to get close to check the ID, then go back to the bed to type it, but yeah, I may also be slow as hell.

Ok. Let's ignore the whole 15 minutes thing. How many uploads do you get each month? How long does it take you to watch them all?

Also, I'm not talking about bank hacking; sure it's not nice, but at least bankhacking doesn't screw the gameplay. I'm sure it takes a couple of minutes to load the replay and confirm a bank hacker.

And finally, in game pauses cannot be recorded. If you don't trust screenshots, how do I report people like those from the JIHAD clan who pause the game trying to get someone to accidentally click the Quit button?
Let's pretend there was a way to report that. What would they get? Watch List on the next update?

I know you can't take people's word for everything, but I'm sure you may know some old players who have proven to be nice (aka: don't screw with games) and who you can trust. And as I said; it's not that you'd take the word of a single player and act based on that, but when you have 3, 8, 20 non-new players without a record telling you that someone only joins games to screw them, that should count for something.

I'd like to hear other suggestions, since this may be a bit flawed, but the current system takes too long. ie; I reported some guy 10 days ago and the replay has been watched 0 times (or at least it says so). I know there might be hundreds of replays on the list before mine and that a spam report may not be particularly interesting. What i'm trying to point out here is the ammount of time it takes to check a single replay, let alone getting someone banned.

You know how many games will those guys screw in 10 days? I bet you all my points that they'll spam and pause at the very least 300 games that won't get past the Mode screen in that time. Now multiply that for whatever time it will take for them to get banned.

I agree that some reports can wait, like some guy who's only been reported once for spamming and never did it again after that, but having these known players around for months until you finally get enough replays/reports to ban them is pretty unfair for the rest of the players.

You know how the game sometimes takes some minutes to load, other times it will drop you. We should at least be free of worries about such kind of people fucking up a game on the start menu after we waited five minutes for it to start.

[Mugy]

I play on the TV and have to get close to check the ID, then go back to the bed to type it, but yeah, I may also be slow as hell.

Ok. Let's ignore the whole 15 minutes thing. How many uploads do you get each month? How long does it take you to watch them all?

Also, I'm not talking about bank hacking; sure it's not nice, but at least bankhacking doesn't screw the gameplay. I'm sure it takes a couple of minutes to load the replay and confirm a bank hacker.

And finally, in game pauses cannot be recorded. If you don't trust screenshots, how do I report people like those from the JIHAD clan who pause the game trying to get someone to accidentally click the Quit button?
Let's pretend there was a way to report that. What would they get? Watch List on the next update?

I know you can't take people's word for everything, but I'm sure you may know some old players who have proven to be nice (aka: don't screw with games) and who you can trust. And as I said; it's not that you'd take the word of a single player and act based on that, but when you have 3, 8, 20 non-new players without a record telling you that someone only joins games to screw them, that should count for something.

I'd like to hear other suggestions, since this may be a bit flawed, but the current system takes too long. ie; I reported some guy 10 days ago and the replay has been watched 0 times (or at least it says so). I know there might be hundreds of replays on the list before mine and that a spam report may not be particularly interesting. What i'm trying to point out here is the ammount of time it takes to check a single replay, let alone getting someone banned.

You know how many games will those guys screw in 10 days? I bet you all my points that they'll spam and pause at the very least 300 games that won't get past the Mode screen in that time. Now multiply that for whatever time it will take for them to get banned.

I agree that some reports can wait, like some guy who's only been reported once for spamming and never did it again after that, but having these known players around for months until you finally get enough replays/reports to ban them is pretty unfair for the rest of the players.

You know how the game sometimes takes some minutes to load, other times it will drop you. We should at least be free of worries about such kind of people fucking up a game on the start menu after we waited five minutes for it to start.

We don't punish game pausing, as it's just trolling. You can easily unpause by hitting the pausebreak key on your keyboard, you knew that right?
Reports CANNOT be skipped, that is final. Just as you can't go to jail without a court case.
Even iuf we skipped the replay portion and we could process reports faster, the punishments only take place when Mafia is updated. Which can take up to a week or more.

[Sen]

I know about the pause button. Most players don't.
Anyway. I guess it'll stay the same.

[Apoc]

I'm sorry idk what I just read... Read the Mafia polices. clearly raging on something. <3 I don't think he likes Matt. But I guess its not a hate thread since its based on all trolls.

[SuperJack]

Most people don't know about the pause button? Who is playing this game? The local old folks home?

Spamming and trolling, is not something you can report, since most of the time it dosn't effect the game. Its just annoying, and you can't punish people for annoying you. All games have trolls, something you just have to put up with.

You can't trust people. even if they are old "trusted" people. because at some point they are more than likely to abuse this, and fake on a player they heavly dislike.

Point Hackers can ruin the game, since they can abuse the -prefare and -blacklist and voting option.

The amount of reports that arrive is no problem, since their are enough staff to process them. Its just waiting for the updates.

[Mugy]

The amount of reports that arrive is no problem, since their are enough staff to process them. Its just waiting for the updates.

That's not actually true lol.

[Mateo]

most of those old trusted players u refer to are now mods/ keepers anyway so yea

and if u have a problem with pausing, u should cry to blizzard as its their system

the report system works fine, it may be slow but it's fair. if u have a problem with the community, PLAY SOMETHING ELSE.

and stop putting words in my mouth

[Tony]

I'm sick of attention whores. i'm not calling them trolls because when the whole troll thing started, one of the core elements of it was to go unnoticed, pretty much like when you're Jester.

The thing is that I think that the current ban system is not practical at all. Both for players and mods; you can't expect people to waste 15 minutes after every game to report all the annoying people who broke a rule in there. And I bet that mods get a ton of reports and that must be annoying by itself.

So why are replays required from everyone? Why not do like in the game itself? See; once you have three confirmed invest roles claiming that # is scum, you don't wait for them to die to check the last will; you lynch the scum.
So why bother known players with having to save replays, upload them, check the ID, names and explain the whole thing when you can simply have some trusted people listing the scum and their offenses?

There are many well known annoying kids out there; some pause the game to try and get someone to quit, some other just pass each other the save until everyone (but their friends) leave, so the can start 4 players games and get cheap points. Known skypers. Hell, some even speak openly about how they watch child porn and invite others to do it.

Why do we need to upload replays for that? Hell, anyone who's played with Invictus, Eex, Matt, Zerg, ProToss, somethingSeRApHIm knows what they are. And the list could go on and on. Why wait for many people to upload enough replays for them to get banned and for mods to find time to review them when you could simply trust some players and perma ban them right away?

As I see it right now, reporting someone is like a punishment for the player: waste 15 minutes in the whole process, and that's if you don't need to check something on d7 or similar, then you just lost an hour, and in the best case you may get that idiot on the watch list a month later. In that time he just did the same a thousand times.

I love this game, but lately I've been thinking about playing something else just because of this; sometimes I have two hours to play, and it sucks to have nothing but games full of imbeciles in that time.
Also, the fact that that kind of people goes without punishment only makes things worse, since many kids will notice that and start following their example, knowing that it's quite possible that they can get away with it for some months until they get banned, and, quoting one of them "I have another 14 games I can troll when I get banned". Hell, some, like Matt, even go and say things like "go tell that fred faggot and watch him do nothing".

So... what I'm suggesting is for a method which gives us the chance to clean known nuisances the moment they commit a couple of offenses.

Good idea? Bad idea? Why? Other options?

Get a load of this guy.

[AppleyNO]

I'm sick of attention whores. i'm not calling them trolls because when the whole troll thing started, one of the core elements of it was to go unnoticed, pretty much like when you're Jester.

Good Jesters are the best players.

The thing is that I think that the current ban system is not practical at all. Both for players and mods; you can't expect people to waste 15 minutes after every game to report all the annoying people who broke a rule in there. And I bet that mods get a ton of reports and that must be annoying by itself.

It shouldn't take you 15 minutes.. but you stated to ignore this, so I will.

So why are replays required from everyone? Why not do like in the game itself? See; once you have three confirmed invest roles claiming that # is scum, you don't wait for them to die to check the last will; you lynch the scum.
So why bother known players with having to save replays, upload them, check the ID, names and explain the whole thing when you can simply have some trusted people listing the scum and their offenses?

We need to confirm IDs, and that something actually happened. No matter who reports it we always look at the replays. And what about those who aren't "trusted"?

There are many well known annoying kids out there; some pause the game to try and get someone to quit, some other just pass each other the save until everyone (but their friends) leave, so the can start 4 players games and get cheap points. Known skypers. Hell, some even speak openly about how they watch child porn and invite others to do it.

Pausing is not an offence since thats easy to deal with. You cannot get points with less that 6 players in the game, to my understanding. Report the skypers! Child porn is not something we deal with... please report it to your governing law body. I'm 90% sure they are kidding though.

Why do we need to upload replays for that? Hell, anyone who's played with Invictus, Eex, Matt, Zerg, ProToss, somethingSeRApHIm knows what they are. And the list could go on and on. Why wait for many people to upload enough replays for them to get banned and for mods to find time to review them when you could simply trust some players and perma ban them right away?

Even if we do this... getting the map updated has, and will continue to be, a pain in the ass.

As I see it right now, reporting someone is like a punishment for the player: waste 15 minutes in the whole process, and that's if you don't need to check something on d7 or similar, then you just lost an hour, and in the best case you may get that idiot on the watch list a month later. In that time he just did the same a thousand times.

As stated, ignore the time. If he does it after we give him watch-list (or approve a report where he gets watch-list), its usually Kick-Vote list. More than I believe 7 or 8 Gamethrowing or Cheating offences gets someone Permabanned.

I love this game, but lately I've been thinking about playing something else just because of this; sometimes I have two hours to play, and it sucks to have nothing but games full of imbeciles in that time.
Also, the fact that that kind of people goes without punishment only makes things worse, since many kids will notice that and start following their example, knowing that it's quite possible that they can get away with it for some months until they get banned, and, quoting one of them "I have another 14 games I can troll when I get banned". Hell, some, like Matt, even go and say things like "go tell that fred faggot and watch him do nothing".

People suck. And we can't micromanage everyone's behavior. We will process the reports that we get, handle them by the date they were submitted, and state if there is an offence or not.

So... what I'm suggesting is for a method which gives us the chance to clean known nuisances the moment they commit a couple of offenses.

Good idea? Bad idea? Why? Other options?

Answered.

[SuperJack]

I'm 90% sure they are kidding though..

Pretty sure that is slang for child porn...

[AppleyNO]

Pretty sure that is slang for child porn...

You have won the internet.

[Sen]

Most people don't know about the pause button? Who is playing this game? The local old folks home?

Looks like it, based on the ammount of players who fall to that pause thing and missclick the Quit button.

Spamming and trolling, is not something you can report, since most of the time it dosn't effect the game. Its just annoying, and you can't punish people for annoying you.

I'm not talking about kids flooding the chat with some idiotic, all-caps text. You can simply -mute them and that's about it.
The pause issue actually affects the game, since it results in people quitting while trying to unpause it.

You cannot get points with less that 6 players in the game, to my understanding.

I'm unsure about how this works; I've been on games where people get no points (as you stated), but then there was this time when there were only four of us left: town killing, gf and two benigns. The townie (a vigi) left on d2, since GF was night immune (derp). The game ended on d3 and we (the neutrals) got 10 points while the gf got 20. So yes, it's abusable.

Even if we do this... getting the map updated has, and will continue to be, a pain in the ass.

I see. I haven't messed with SC2 map making, so I was unsure about the process. I thought it'd be as simple as updating any application.

People suck.

That sums it up.

You have won the internet.

This.



Anyway. Thanks for the answers.