Yeah, you did the right thing.
But seriosly Rose, what is the meaining of this? We never told you to hammer Leary!
Yeah, you did the right thing.
But seriosly Rose, what is the meaining of this? We never told you to hammer Leary!
Post where Ackerman defends Cafarelli as invest - Day 2
Ackerman calls Cafarelli consigliere - Day 4
Now Ackerman is the only player who has done this 180 degree turn on Cafarelli as the evidence was piling up Cafarelli was indeed town. Ackerman is also defending Buchwalter heavily on the lynch, cashing in on his newly confirmed town status. Why this radical shift in behavior? Because Ackerman is the student and his mentor was a mafia member.
Doesn't matter... We are in serious situation right now.
Leave both Dunn and Leary at L-4 so that ONLY Miss Parker can hammer either then. No one else votes past L-4. You all understand?
And Perker, since you unvoted Leary, thise is still a chance that you can change your decision for the better... We can still lynch Dunn today and find out info about Leary afterwards. Think about it. It's not like we lose chances to win if we lynch Dunn in any case.
-vote FM Dunn
This leaves Dunn at L-4 again. No one goes past this point except for Miss Parker.
You don't have to be a genius to figure out that ackerman is a mafia.
I have a bad feeling about mendez aswell, has she claimed any role?
Leary didn't claim either? Even with the train.
The claim slots are pretty such filled up at this point:
Godfather Alive Drug Dealer FM Buchwalter Confirmed Dead Lynched D5 Blackmailer Alive Kidnapper? Alive [Soma Dealer] Alive [Soma Dealer] Alive Savage Godfather Alive Max of 5 possible savages by end of N4 Arsonist FM Cohen Confirmed Dead Lynched on Day 3 [Hidden Epsilon] Alive Corrupt Journalist FM Becket Confirmed Dead Killed N3 by GF Mayor FM Parker Confirmed Alive Self claimed D5 #553, revealed [Hidden Alpha] Alive Architect FM Gage Confirmed Dead killed N1 by GF Busdriver FM Hogeboom Confirmed Dead self claimed D5 #535, killed N6 Detective FM Bishop Confirmed Dead killed N2 by GF [Hidden Gamma] - Investigator FM Cafarelli Unconfirmed Alive Claimed Escort FM Monroe Confirmed Dead Self Claimed on D5 #354(omg long..). Killed N6 [Hidden A/B/G/D] - Escort FM Phelps Unconfirmed Alive Self Claimed on D5 #101 [Hidden A/B/G/D] - Journalist FM Earle Unconfirmed Alive Self Claimed on D5 #418 [Hidden A/B/G/D] - Busdriver FM Dunn Unconfirmed Alive Self Claimed D5 #853 [Hidden A/B/G/D] - Jailor? FM Hopgood Unconfirmed Alive Self Claimed D6 #508 [Hidden A/B/G/D] - Vig? FM Chapman Unconfirmed Alive Did Chapman claim vig? D1 #555 [Hidden A/B/G/D] - Blacksmith? Unconfirmed Alive McKently claims there is blacksmith N1 [Hidden A/B/G/D] - Delta? FM Leary Unconfirmed Alive Self Claimed D6 at some point? [Hidden A/B/G/D] Alive Delta FM McKelty Confirmed Dead Lynched D1 Delta FM Rose Unconfirmed Alive Caff invested, Rose agrees to Delta Delta FM Colmyer Confirmed Dead Claimed on D3, killed by blackmail suicide Delta FM Biggs Confirmed Dead Lynched D4 Delta FM Bekowsky Confirmed Dead Killed by GF N5 Delta FM Fontaine Unconfirmed Alive Self Claimed D6 #57 Delta FM Ryan Unconfirmed Alive Self claimed D5 #723 Delta FM Ackerman Unconfirmed Alive Self claimed D5 #764 Delta (Savage) FM Morgan Confirmed Dead claimed by coroner Delta (Savage Invest) FM Ballard Confirmed Dead claimed by coroner [Random Any] - Witch? Alive Biggs claims to be witched N1 & N2 +Morgan N3
Ok I looked back through. I couldn't find Leary's delta claim.
Lynch Kidnapper= 100% Chance of Scum
Lynch anyone else, and it's to risky. As Anyone could be the Savage Godfather,
Heck I could even be the Savage GF, since I saw no proof of me being replaced and no way to prove I am delta, only my word.
I won't want to leave the Kidnapper role in play, since it is to powerful for the mafia. And we can't trust a word he says.
We cannot trust Dunn. You are right. However, the mafia are all obvious. We do need to reduce the KPN fast. Unless the savages start killing the mafia, we have to hunt the savages thanks to the poor leads we had previously. That's why I've outlined who most of the mafia are, so the town can continue to lynch them in the event of my death.
Oh, I get it. It's because blacksmith exists after all, right? So even if we get a mislynch we can still kill Dunn at night (assuming that he was roleblocked by Phelps).
But Parker, long before I was introduced to the game, you all were sure that Biggs is scum and lynched him. How Leary's case is any different from Biggs?
It doesn't help that my colors don't paste... everything is color coded automatically from the drop down boxes....
If we played this game like SC2 Mafia on the Battle.net, I would thought for sure that Parker is skyping with mafia.![]()
I wasn't sure Biggs was scum. I said it was likely he was scum and the knowledge that a witch was in the game was guaranteed knowledge if we lynched Biggs. I couldn't believe Biggs was witched twice as a Delta. It seemed so farfetched. With Leary, there is no information gained by lynching him. There is no failsafe if I am wrong, so I must be more confident before I change directions on the train.
Carruthers was lying. There's no logical reason why a Savage Godfather does a plain old recruit on night 2. He has no information to go off of. Recruit as is a better play. Morgan was a gamma. That's why we have no investigative leads other than our drug dealt investigator.
@All: I have to go now. I will have sporadic access at best for the next few hours. Don't do anything stupid. Someone put Leary at L-4 please.
Too many cooks spoil the broth. Earle will just observe and not contribute today.
Earle called Mason Mason first. Mason is Mason Enforcer, Earle reveals.
Also, note who is voteing the Kidnapper, and who is voteing the "Savage GF"
Simple. We currently have no evidence to support there being a mason clubber in the game. Anyone who wants us to leave the savages alone on the basis that our mason clubber will handle it is a savage trying to mislead us. Until proven otherwise, we should assume we have a solo mason enforcer and no other masons. If a clubber does reveal itself, great. But depending on a role we're not even sure is in the game is a huge mistake. It's one thing to say we should lynch the confirmed mafia. I agree that it's our safest option for today. But to say we can rely on a role that may or may not exist is stupid and will make town lose.
I also don't see how anyone could believe Hopgood's jailor claim, since Colmyer would not have been allowed to claim blackmailed, and would have suicided a night earlier than he actually did. My guess is Cafarelli and Hopgood are savages together and planned this reveal to gain Hopgood some town points.
because i'm telling the mason clubber to kill all the savages? ok seems legit
trying to convince the town that i am savage is VERY scummy because if the mason clubber buys it he is going to waste a possible kill
also i never said leave them alone, l2read
also we've already assured that colmyer COULD blackmail in jail
anyway, in case there is a mason enforcer and ONLY a mason enforcer, he should have revealed by now so we all know that we can't rely on a clubber. mason enforcer is useless anyway, because they won't recruit anymore (or max once somewhen late game, i think they're saving the recruit until late game). but imo the setup is imbalanced if we have no clubber.
so in case noone reveals as mason enforcer, we can assume there IS a clubber (clubber do NOT reveal of course). and tomorrow we will see anyway if there's a clubber
i am proposing a deal to the savages: kill a mafia tonight. if you do so we will proceed to lynch the other 3 mafs tomorrow and the following days. you just need to kill one mafia, it increases your chances to win significantly. because if you do NOT kill a mafia tonight it will be our best bet to eliminate the savages first. think about it. the town is currently deciding which faction to eradicate first. this faction will lose its chance to win totally, only town and the other faction will have a chance to win from then on. our decision will solely be influenced by which faction we can take out easier. that's the savages currently, unless you take out one mafia. than the mafia is very easy to take out. good mafia suspects are: chapman, donnelly. you should have further information. it doesn't help your case if you just want to kill the mafia but hit a townie
also i noted that carruthers doesn't want to confirm that he wasn't blackmailed n5. that's strange. this could mean his whole coroner claim was a blackmail. this would mean they prepared the accusation on me d5 by letting him roleclaim
if someone is bmed n5 and n6, will he get punished twice if he reveal both blackmails d6?
anyway, i strongly recommend lynching dunn today. if we lynch dunn today, all chances to win are still open. if we fail and lynch a townie today, we have lost.
also btw i will NOT lead the town in case parker dies. obvious reasons.
You are saying we should not lynch them today. That would be "leaving the savages alone". So I think you should take your own advice on the "l2read" front.
The mason enforcer probably has his reasons for not revealing. The savages probably aren't going to go along with your plan, by the way, especially if the kidnapper isn't lynched. But you already know that because you are a savage.
i reread colmyer d3
here is the proof that colmyer was jailed:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post321819
last line. some ppl asked him to reveal it but still he didn't. he knew he was going to die so it can't be some information that would have been lost without him because then he would've told. i can see reasons for concealing it, it could have been a huge surprise for mafia in the late game
coroner should dig up his lw (in his last night when will one be degraded when he claims bmed)
That stupid since we wouldn't do that, even if lynched.
'If' could still happen if you take the course I lay out. But your chances are better with it even still.
You're not dying. That's the deal. My life for yours. My allegiance for yours.
as i said, l2read. not lynching them today =/= leaving them alone
not only the probably existing clubber will deal with them, but also we will deal with them tomorrow. i have obvious reasons for not lynching them today
why won't they go with my plan? i would at least consider it if i was savage. after all they have to deal with 2 factions not just the town. but since you're mafia you want them ofc to not go with my plan. nice slip
and i cant see the reasons for not revealing as enforcer. one additional reason why i think it's rather a clubber than an enforcer: there is most likely a doc. docs prevent conversions too
and the kidnapper WILL be lynched
one additional proof that you're mafia is that you're obviously trying to protect dunn and get leary lynched today. you obviously do NOT agree to the plan of letting clubber handle them. nice backfire, Blackmailer
If there is the Jailor you believe in then Enforcer, Clubber, and Doctor can not all exist. Just saying...
Am I the only one that checks roles list?
never said there is enforcer AND clubber
@kelso: are you neutral? you hinted at it so you could also just claim if you are
There is no doctor. There isn't any room for a doctor in the setup. Look at all the people who have claimed already. There simply isn't room for it. That's what our bus driver and two escorts are/were for. There must be at least one mason, and I think it is an enforcer, not a clubber. Think about it, how OP is it that there would be a town role that could kill one scum, but not the other? Savages would have no chance and mafia wouldn't have to worry about it at all. Obviously it's an enforcer because at least with the enforcer, the savages have the option to kill instead of recruit in order to avoid the enforcer if they think he'll target the person they want.
Obviously it would be good for us if savages started killing mafia, but why would they bother helping us when their goal is to kill us? They can win without even giving us a chance. Especially since every PR in this game insists on claiming for no reason.
That's why it's clear you're scum. Scum wouldn't want an investigator finding them. Savages would have recruited you by now, and mafia probably would have killed you by now, which is why you're probably a savage with a small chance of consigliere. And whichever faction you're not in probably knows you're scum and that's why they haven't killed you yet.
no YOU are scum. end of discussion^^
of course there is room for doc in setup
there are still max 9 TPRs left
but look at it from a different perspective: how OP is scum if town has no killing role? (jailor doesn't count because he cannot jail when lynch)
and how fucking weak is town if there is only one busdriver as the only one who can protect TPRs
there must be a killing role. the only mislynched happened so far were 2 citizens, so town doesn't deserve to lose yet (assuming we fail no more) and if they do setup is imbalanced
their goal is also to kill you mafia, got it, not only us.
and no they can't win without even giving us a chance because WE will not give them a chance. it's not really hard to figure out who they are, nor the mafias so it's all up to town who loses for sure and who gets the chance to win
sure scum don't want me finding them so they drug me all the time (btw drug dealer with this modifications = most annoying role ever invented, very OP especially with 2)
also it's blatanly obvious you're currently trying to convince the savages to not kill the mafia. why would you do this? because you're maf.
@savages: we lynch a maf to give you a chance to make the mafia an easier faction to wipe out. we will start with wiping out the easiest faction tomorrow
the mafia already killed 2 of you on intention. don't make it too easy for them, it's obvious they're trying to ensure your loss with the ruse dunn tries to accomplish
and savages, don't trust the mafia. they will kill you too in the end, they will not kill only town. i however am town so you have my word that if you kill a mafia tonight i will try to get the whole mafia lynched
You keep twisting my words as if I'm talking to the savages. If I was mafia, why would I do that? Mafia already has a confirmed kidnapper out in the open. He's already talking to the savages for them. Why would I put myself at risk when he's already doing it? That makes no sense. I'm just trying to point out to the town that you're trying to give us hope in plans that won't work. Our only hope is to lynch the savage gf and hope that the mafia accidentally hits savages since the savages have probably already checked all of the mafia and know who they are anyway.
You keep claiming drugged to no-feedback, even after the DD is dead. That's not even possible. You're just doing it so you don't have to share your leads with the town so only your night chat will know your information.
Parker has said this before, but I want to make this more clear:
Mafia or savages, if you kill Parker, we will make sure you lose. If you kill a town Power Role, you will lose. If you kill Galloway, you will lose. You may only kill deltas.
And to the savages: you guys are reading the day chat. You see Parker's and Dunn's plan. If that succeeds, you lose. You cannot win unless you kill mafia. I assume you guys are smart enough to realize that.
I have to go for a while. Hopefully I'll be back before day ends to respond to anything that comes up in my absence, but in case that doesn't happen, here are my top scum suspects in case I die:
Dunn (obvious kidnapper)
Cafarelli (Claims town invest that is feedback blocked even though DD is dead. He's either consigliere or savage invest.)
Mason (doesn't contribute. about 2/3rds of his posts are only one line and are useless)
Black (basically same reason as Mason)
Ackerman (claims student. I doubt this claim and see no reason for town to make it)
Hopgood (unnecessary jailor claim. Impossible because Colmyer would've suicided a night earlier for revealing his blackmail)
@Donnelly, use that brain of yours. You are so close and smart. Ackerman claims student. Drug dealer died n5. A new drug deal is in place. Either there are two drug dealers consistently or the student became the drug dealer. Ackerman is the drug dealer now. It explains his sudden flip on Cafarelli.
The mafia are working very hard to frame evidence of Cafarelli being mafia when he isn't. Why, because I spent a hell of a lot of time FoSing him and I have a hell of a lot of influence. The coroner post is pure bullshit.
Actually, there is a loophole in the case where blackmail is relieved the night it's completed... so Colmyer could have done that. Still, Hopgood's not a jailor.
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Also Chapman is right. The savages will have to kill the mafia to win. If I refuse Dunn's plan, kill a mafia, I won't lynch you the next day. It's plain and simple. I'll leave you alone. P.S. Don't shoot Carruthers, I'll believe you converted instead.
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Cafarelli, I'm still not seeing "evidence" Colmyer was jailed. Given the fact you're pretty reasonable and I assume you to be town, please try again to answer why you believe Colmyer was jailed.
1) Why is Hopgood so quick to hammer and render himself powerless when he's a jailor?
2) Why reveal claiming he's "under pressure" when my target was Leary and the only pressure he faced is from the clubber?
3) Why does his claim of jailor come well after we've pressured him to reveal multiple times, including pleading "the fifth".
4) Ballard, Leary and Hopgood all FoS me on Day 4.
5) Why would Hopgood reveal now? What benefit does that provide the town?
6) Why wouldn't Colmyer just flat out say he was jailed? This post suggests that Colmyer had no more relevant information. Why would he withhold the jailor?