Day 5

[FM Monroe]

I think I will just claim because I'm bored and the information within could be useful. I also don't mind dying that much at this point because I have plenty of things to do.

I promise it's not intended to derail the train on Earle

[FM Monroe]

Dear lord be a veteran

Hey Leary. Were you ever replaced?

[FM Ackerman]

I think I will just claim because I'm bored and the information within could be useful. I also don't mind dying that much at this point because I have plenty of things to do.

I promise it's not intended to derail the train on Earle

We're waiting...

[FM Monroe]

As an experiment and for fun, I decided to play as if I had multiple personality disorder. One personality a sarcastic, trolling liar. All of my lynch votes as this character were fake (I'm surprised nobody took note). The other personality a blatantly honest kind of guy.

I flipped a coin at (mostly) random time intervals to decide which it was going to be.

heads = good guy
he/a/ds (tails) = bad guy

I'm an Escort

Humped Hopgood night 1. Hop hop hop.

Humped Buchwalter night 2 for being a tally keeper who was subtly guiding the town's suspicion without posting strong arguments why he found certain people scummy or not.

Soft claimed here and here.

Humped Black night 3 for talking a lot without really saying much, and claiming to be a replacement. I also didn't like the reads he agreed with.
Soft claimed here.

Humped Phelps night 4. This is when my suspicion of Cafarelli really grew, and because she was telling people to leave me alone for the time being, I decided to turn my target choice around and block someone who defended me without much question.

He was immune. I hinted at being responsible for his block several times today. I did not reveal previously because if he is escort, I'd just be helping scum a great deal with night kill targets and mislynches.

Humped Cafarelli night 5. Because I think I saw through the mafia's plan. Way too many of the night actions, journalist articles and things said in the day chat seem somehow connected to me and her. I wanted to reduce their ability to gather information needed for it to work. Even if I was wrong and she wasn't consig, it was still very likely for her to have been savage investigator. Ballard's flip however is evidence against that. I also figured we would have plenty of things to talk about already.

My current list of mafia suspects is as follows:
Godfather - Ackerman/Earle
Consigliere - Cafarelli/Ackerman
Consort - Phelps?? (50% chance)
Kidnapper - Mendez/Parker/Dunn?
Blackmailer - Lichtman?
Drug Dealer - Lichtman? (if both Morgan and Cafarelli both lied, drug dealer isn't even confirmed and this could be an interceptor who finally got a kill last night. Questionable though, the soma explanation is more likely.)

Galloway is also possibly mafia. His frequent comments that witholding information or lying is always bad for the town are not only false, they could also be used to justify his future voting behavior. That and he has been excusing Cafarelli, Phelps and myself multiple times.

Night 1:
Kidnapper swaps me and Mason
Consigliere investigates me (through mason)

Night 2:
Bus driver swaps meand Galloway (because I led the mislynch and Galloway looked town)
Kidnapper swaps Dunn and Lichtmann
Consigliere investigates Cohen (Rose's result is actually something I COULD see someone forging)

I was bus driven on night 1 and night 2. Not on night 4, that was a lie in case Cafarelli would jump out and claim an investigation on me if I decided to claim I had blocked Phelps. It would also conveniently protect a bus driver if the consort happened to have blocked that person.

Because I did not claim bus driven until day 2, Cafarelli may have thought I was scum and delayed my claim to message the mafia kidnapper that I'm an ally. But I really was driven again night 2.

Night 3:
Mafia gives shape to their plans. They do not pressure me excessively and try to contact me instead.
Bus driver swaps Colmyer and Ballard (because Ballard stopped contributing and Colmyer could use some protection. Could someone look for any posts from Ballard that might have been the result of blackmailing? He was rather quiet around this time from what I remember)
Kidnapper swaps Kalou and Ackerman
Consigliere investigates unknown target (Cohen investigation is claimed BS)

On day 3 there was something really strange about the posts where Cafarelli accused Cohen.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post321805

witch is the second likely, possibly he tried to tell scum that he's witch by his lie

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post321820

btw i fucked up in my last post witch is not in the list, it's ghost lol. i can exclude ghost anyway, because he really tries hard to get not lynched

Neither Witch nor Ghost is on the list of roles Cafarelli posted which roles he suspected to be, yet she decides to mention them. She is now explaining the shifty bit of information away by saying her investigation on Cohen was not real. I think Lichtman briefly referred to this yesterday when he was being pressured, but he crawled back into his hole and quoted a post made by Cohen that didn't really prove anything as an "explanation."

BOTH of these roles were from the pairing in the journalist article posted on day 2.

Thanks for having me tonight. It's an honor.

First of all, I'm happy to announce the existence of an Investigator on the role list.

Secondly, rejoice! For I have found one of the Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost category. The behavior of my target wasn't particularly suspicious. I will decide depending on further behavior and incoming information whether to reveal target or not.

Now something that struck me as odd, but wasn't really addressed in the day chat.
Transcript of a certain conversation:
#360 Mason: I was bussed.
#362 Cohen: So 3 bd claims.
#364 Mason: Wait, what? 3 bd claims? brb, gotta read day chat.
Shortly thereafter...
#368 Mason: Yeah, totally knew there were 3 bd claims. That's why I claimed. Just can't find the third one.

Seriously? Why was his claim swallowed so readily?

Next up is the connection between
Becket, Biggs, Dunn, Hopgood and Rose.
Discuss!

Last but not least some proof of identity:
SIaFtAKnqBU
oHg5SJYRHA0
-Cp8tW3LHnY

Mason is mentioned here because this "investigator" claims to have targeted Mason, who was swapped with me. If it was a kidnapper who swapped me, the consigliere would of course know about it. I think Cafarelli may have been signalling to me for cooperation, thinking I was witch/ghost on day 3, and my "bad guy" personality was probably enough for them to not block me or use a kill on me up until now.

She knew Cohen lied about his poison feedback because she was mafia herself, and decided to use that against him. If a mafia member was doused, she may have done it to make sure he would not be killing her own night chat buddies. If that did not happen, she may have done it because she thought Cohen to be a town PR that could easily be lynched. A veteran would not be able to prove himself. A vigilante would fall under the witch's control if they claimed. Same for blacksmith. If he was a busdriver, mafia could have used a kidnapper to kill him and get rid of a big problem. If he was a student, he hadn't picked one of their own and might be asked to take her as his mentor to confirm himself.

Ackerman starts to become more serious during the day as opposed to the trolling he started with. While this is a common transformation seen in town PRs, the same is true for scum who start to act according to a plan.

Night 4:
Mafia changes their mind about me because I claimed my block targets 2 days in a row
Kidnapper: too many unknown swaps to judge
Bus driver: too many unknown swaps to judge
Journalist interviews kidnapper (who doesn't see the PM because the night is started late and he's already on his mafia account. The information in the article does the following things:
It tries to clear Ackerman
It tries to clear Kalou
It tries to clear Parker
It tries to clear Earle
It suggests Phelps may be town. But there's a question mark so if he flips mafia the interviewee is still safe.
It tries to make me a suspect (savage) by pointing out my lie about the bus drive night 1, the impact of my possible claim has already been diminished by Cafarelli's claim on Phelps. They can't call me a witch because it encourages the thought that they knew my invest pairing)
Consigliere investigates unknown target

Night 4 Phelps was roleblocked. Realising that he'd be revealed soon anyway, he made a 180 on Cafarelli and Cafarelli jumps in and claims a result on him at the last minute to get extra town cred in case Phelps gets lynched, while whatever escort blocked him will get no credit because they didn't claim first. The mafia now clearly wants to lynch me. Even when they do not blatantly vote, ever so often they post how scummy they think I am.

Parker starts a train on me, calling me out on claiming "witched" and suggesting I have done it because it supposedly has something to do with cult recruitments. Not only was it an utter bullshit argument, it also corresponds with the accusations in the journalist's article, as well as my perceived change in the mafia's change of plan regarding me.

At the end of the day, Mendez proposes a plan that will help Phelps to prove that he is an escort/consort. This would logically reduce pressure on Phelps because witch, ghost and blackmailer are all eliminated. It's a psychological effect that would favor him if he's a consort, even though he still has 50% chance of being scum.

I also think the article from yesterday was NOT posted late because the hosts completely forgot to send the interviewee a PM. They just sent it to the player's day account and not their night account. I was online at the end of day 3 and regularly checked to see Cohen's flip after the hammer. It took several hours before the closing post was made by Switzerland. I suspect the journalist interview recipient had already logged onto their mafia night chat account by then.

Night 5:
I have not done a thorough analysis yet.

Cafarelli gets roleblocked, rages like a little kid and sets herself up for an easily motivated bussing target by her teammates. The town already suspects that she is scum anyway. Cafarelli also claims to have wanted to investigate Chapman. This shared FoS with Phelps could be used as a reason to lynch me over Phelps.

Today after I point out a bunch of obvious flaws in the journalist article, Ackerman comes up and introduces himself as the hero of the town by providing the ultimate proof that the article had lies in it because he was bus driven night 3. Unless someone was drugged, Cafarelli or the article writer is lying.

He hints at being the "investigator" who was interviewed night 2 and requests to be urgently interviewed again. My guess is he would want to use Cafarelli's true investigation results after Cafarelli got thrown under the bus and to reveal me being blackmailer/consort/escort/witch/ghost and probably scum for witholding information. He also reasons that an escort could be converted by the savages, which is handy to fuel the accusation posted in the kidnapper's article. Once Cafarelli is dead and flips mafia, her claims to be drugged can be discarded and it opens up the possibility for the article to be true again, clearing the kidnapper from suspicion for the time being so they can stay hidden. Afterwards, he would claim no feedback drugs just like she did to account for the lack of new investigation results. He does not seem all that worried to be recruited by the savages either, because his implied claim is dreadfully obvious.

[FM Monroe]

I'm not going to vote for Earle. Ghost WIFOM.

Go ahead and lynch him though. I'm curious.

[FM Leary]

Hey Leary. Were you ever replaced?

Nope son, still the same as ever

[FM Monroe]

Nope son, still the same as ever

That's rather strange. I would've modkilled or replaced you ages ago.

[FM Leary]

As an experiment and for fun, I decided to play as if I had multiple personality disorder. One personality a sarcastic, trolling liar. All of my lynch votes as this character were fake (I'm surprised nobody took note). The other personality a blatantly honest kind of guy.

I flipped a coin at (mostly) random time intervals to decide which it was going to be.

heads = good guy
he/a/ds (tails) = bad guy

I'm an Escort

Humped Hopgood night 1. Hop hop hop.

Humped Buchwalter night 2 for being a tally keeper who was subtly guiding the town's suspicion without posting strong arguments why he found certain people scummy or not.

Soft claimed here and here.

Humped Black night 3 for talking a lot without really saying much, and claiming to be a replacement. I also didn't like the reads he agreed with.
Soft claimed here.

Humped Phelps night 4. This is when my suspicion of Cafarelli really grew, and because she was telling people to leave me alone for the time being, I decided to turn my target choice around and block someone who defended me without much question.

He was immune. I hinted at being responsible for his block several times today. I did not reveal previously because if he is escort, I'd just be helping scum a great deal with night kill targets and mislynches.

Humped Cafarelli night 5. Because I think I saw through the mafia's plan. Way too many of the night actions, journalist articles and things said in the day chat seem somehow connected to me and her. I wanted to reduce their ability to gather information needed for it to work. Even if I was wrong and she wasn't consig, it was still very likely for her to have been savage investigator. Ballard's flip however is evidence against that. I also figured we would have plenty of things to talk about already.

My current list of mafia suspects is as follows:
Godfather - Ackerman/Earle
Consigliere - Cafarelli/Ackerman
Consort - Phelps?? (50% chance)
Kidnapper - Mendez/Parker/Dunn?
Blackmailer - Lichtman?
Drug Dealer - Lichtman? (if both Morgan and Cafarelli both lied, drug dealer isn't even confirmed and this could be an interceptor who finally got a kill last night. Questionable though, the soma explanation is more likely.)

Galloway is also possibly mafia. His frequent comments that witholding information or lying is always bad for the town are not only false, they could also be used to justify his future voting behavior. That and he has been excusing Cafarelli, Phelps and myself multiple times.

Night 1:
Kidnapper swaps me and Mason
Consigliere investigates me (through mason)

Night 2:
Bus driver swaps meand Galloway (because I led the mislynch and Galloway looked town)
Kidnapper swaps Dunn and Lichtmann
Consigliere investigates Cohen (Rose's result is actually something I COULD see someone forging)

I was bus driven on night 1 and night 2. Not on night 4, that was a lie in case Cafarelli would jump out and claim an investigation on me if I decided to claim I had blocked Phelps. It would also conveniently protect a bus driver if the consort happened to have blocked that person.

Because I did not claim bus driven until day 2, Cafarelli may have thought I was scum and delayed my claim to message the mafia kidnapper that I'm an ally. But I really was driven again night 2.

Night 3:
Mafia gives shape to their plans. They do not pressure me excessively and try to contact me instead.
Bus driver swaps Colmyer and Ballard (because Ballard stopped contributing and Colmyer could use some protection. Could someone look for any posts from Ballard that might have been the result of blackmailing? He was rather quiet around this time from what I remember)
Kidnapper swaps Kalou and Ackerman
Consigliere investigates unknown target (Cohen investigation is claimed BS)

On day 3 there was something really strange about the posts where Cafarelli accused Cohen.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post321805


https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post321820

Neither Witch nor Ghost is on the list of roles Cafarelli posted which roles he suspected to be, yet she decides to mention them. She is now explaining the shifty bit of information away by saying her investigation on Cohen was not real. I think Lichtman briefly referred to this yesterday when he was being pressured, but he crawled back into his hole and quoted a post made by Cohen that didn't really prove anything as an "explanation."

BOTH of these roles were from the pairing in the journalist article posted on day 2.


Mason is mentioned here because this "investigator" claims to have targeted Mason, who was swapped with me. If it was a kidnapper who swapped me, the consigliere would of course know about it. I think Cafarelli may have been signalling to me for cooperation, thinking I was witch/ghost on day 3, and my "bad guy" personality was probably enough for them to not block me or use a kill on me up until now.

She knew Cohen lied about his poison feedback because she was mafia herself, and decided to use that against him. If a mafia member was doused, she may have done it to make sure he would not be killing her own night chat buddies. If that did not happen, she may have done it because she thought Cohen to be a town PR that could easily be lynched. A veteran would not be able to prove himself. A vigilante would fall under the witch's control if they claimed. Same for blacksmith. If he was a busdriver, mafia could have used a kidnapper to kill him and get rid of a big problem. If he was a student, he hadn't picked one of their own and might be asked to take her as his mentor to confirm himself.

Ackerman starts to become more serious during the day as opposed to the trolling he started with. While this is a common transformation seen in town PRs, the same is true for scum who start to act according to a plan.

Night 4:
Mafia changes their mind about me because I claimed my block targets 2 days in a row
Kidnapper: too many unknown swaps to judge
Bus driver: too many unknown swaps to judge
Journalist interviews kidnapper (who doesn't see the PM because the night is started late and he's already on his mafia account. The information in the article does the following things:
It tries to clear Ackerman
It tries to clear Kalou
It tries to clear Parker
It tries to clear Earle
It suggests Phelps may be town. But there's a question mark so if he flips mafia the interviewee is still safe.
It tries to make me a suspect (savage) by pointing out my lie about the bus drive night 1, the impact of my possible claim has already been diminished by Cafarelli's claim on Phelps. They can't call me a witch because it encourages the thought that they knew my invest pairing)
Consigliere investigates unknown target

Night 4 Phelps was roleblocked. Realising that he'd be revealed soon anyway, he made a 180 on Cafarelli and Cafarelli jumps in and claims a result on him at the last minute to get extra town cred in case Phelps gets lynched, while whatever escort blocked him will get no credit because they didn't claim first. The mafia now clearly wants to lynch me. Even when they do not blatantly vote, ever so often they post how scummy they think I am.

Parker starts a train on me, calling me out on claiming "witched" and suggesting I have done it because it supposedly has something to do with cult recruitments. Not only was it an utter bullshit argument, it also corresponds with the accusations in the journalist's article, as well as my perceived change in the mafia's change of plan regarding me.

At the end of the day, Mendez proposes a plan that will help Phelps to prove that he is an escort/consort. This would logically reduce pressure on Phelps because witch, ghost and blackmailer are all eliminated. It's a psychological effect that would favor him if he's a consort, even though he still has 50% chance of being scum.

I also think the article from yesterday was NOT posted late because the hosts completely forgot to send the interviewee a PM. They just sent it to the player's day account and not their night account. I was online at the end of day 3 and regularly checked to see Cohen's flip after the hammer. It took several hours before the closing post was made by Switzerland. I suspect the journalist interview recipient had already logged onto their mafia night chat account by then.

Night 5:
I have not done a thorough analysis yet.

Cafarelli gets roleblocked, rages like a little kid and sets herself up for an easily motivated bussing target by her teammates. The town already suspects that she is scum anyway. Cafarelli also claims to have wanted to investigate Chapman. This shared FoS with Phelps could be used as a reason to lynch me over Phelps.

Today after I point out a bunch of obvious flaws in the journalist article, Ackerman comes up and introduces himself as the hero of the town by providing the ultimate proof that the article had lies in it because he was bus driven night 3. Unless someone was drugged, Cafarelli or the article writer is lying.

He hints at being the "investigator" who was interviewed night 2 and requests to be urgently interviewed again. My guess is he would want to use Cafarelli's true investigation results after Cafarelli got thrown under the bus and to reveal me being blackmailer/consort/escort/witch/ghost and probably scum for witholding information. He also reasons that an escort could be converted by the savages, which is handy to fuel the accusation posted in the kidnapper's article. Once Cafarelli is dead and flips mafia, her claims to be drugged can be discarded and it opens up the possibility for the article to be true again, clearing the kidnapper from suspicion for the time being so they can stay hidden. Afterwards, he would claim no feedback drugs just like she did to account for the lack of new investigation results. He does not seem all that worried to be recruited by the savages either, because his implied claim is dreadfully obvious.

Reading this post there is still this part that bugs me: Why did Caf declare Phelps scum at the start of the day? I have already posted a heavy conspiracy theory, which should be obsolete.

Best case scenario both are scum on different teams, but i find that rather unlikely.

Phelps might be the witch though ;O We'll see who he blocks tomorow

[FM Ackerman]

Today after I point out a bunch of obvious flaws in the journalist article, Ackerman comes up and introduces himself as the hero of the town by providing the ultimate proof that the article had lies in it because he was bus driven night 3. Unless someone was drugged, Cafarelli or the article writer is lying.

He hints at being the "investigator" who was interviewed night 2 and requests to be urgently interviewed again. My guess is he would want to use Cafarelli's true investigation results after Cafarelli got thrown under the bus and to reveal me being blackmailer/consort/escort/witch/ghost and probably scum for witholding information. He also reasons that an escort could be converted by the savages, which is handy to fuel the accusation posted in the kidnapper's article. Once Cafarelli is dead and flips mafia, her claims to be drugged can be discarded and it opens up the possibility for the article to be true again, clearing the kidnapper from suspicion for the time being so they can stay hidden. Afterwards, he would claim no feedback drugs just like she did to account for the lack of new investigation results. He does not seem all that worried to be recruited by the savages either, because his implied claim is dreadfully obvious.

Didn't I alreayd tell you I was not the one that was interviewed. I am not the investigator. I do however want the investigator to be interviewed again, because I believe him to be the real deal. Yes, I was slow, but if you noticed I opened with it, I had simply just gotten on. And yes I did think that betas could be converted, I thought alphas were the only ones that were immune. Iam not looking to clear anyone in case you didn't read my desired lynch order Im voting Earl>Dunn>Carafelli. And no I don't intend to claim no feedback drugs I am not a Gamma.

[FM Monroe]

Reading this post there is still this part that bugs me: Why did Caf declare Phelps scum at the start of the day? I have already posted a heavy conspiracy theory, which should be obsolete.

Best case scenario both are scum on different teams, but i find that rather unlikely.

Phelps might be the witch though ;O We'll see who he blocks tomorow

He isn't witch because he is immune to blocks.

It's not unheard of for mafia members to go against each other for a while to convince the town that they're not on the same team. And even lynch each other if someone seems lost anyway. They are both in a tough predicament right now, so this is a situation where bussing team members could be applies.

[FM Ackerman]

That's rather strange. I would've modkilled or replaced you ages ago.

He sends out warnings and requests summaries. If you are not posting a lot, but reading he doesn't replace.

[FM Leary]

That's rather strange. I would've modkilled or replaced you ages ago.

my contribution, albeit limited because of certain chores and daily tasks, lies within the quality of my posts. Not asking a million questions that get us nowhere or spam senselessly. Thus i'd refrain from posting any more than necessary. I always hate seeing a whole bunch of pages that need to be read, just to have them turn out to be full of spam..
Last constructive thing before i go to bed:

I suppose there are various arguments for Caf being either town or savage or mafia. I'd just drive him around as the town BD, seeing how his death at night would help out A LOT in discerning people.
My hunch is he isn't evil though, since he offered a town hostile target in the Arsonist. Might be just a mafia play to get us think that though. Also i'm pretty sure we could discern his alignment given what phelps flips in case we lynch him.

Btw: Neither Monroe nor Phelps are getting killed tonight, since i strongly suspect one being an escort while the other is a consort. We'll have to resort to lynching between them, since i don't think we'd have dbl escort.

Anyway off to sleep tonight

[FM Monroe]

Didn't I alreayd tell you I was not the one that was interviewed. I am not the investigator. I do however want the investigator to be interviewed again, because I believe him to be the real deal. Yes, I was slow, but if you noticed I opened with it, I had simply just gotten on. And yes I did think that betas could be converted, I thought alphas were the only ones that were immune. Iam not looking to clear anyone in case you didn't read my desired lynch order Im voting Earl>Dunn>Carafelli. And no I don't intend to claim no feedback drugs I am not a Gamma.

Very well. I still find it weird that the interviewee tried to clear you though. And to me it looked like you were soft-counter claiming Cafarelli for a while.

[FM Monroe]

Btw: Neither Monroe nor Phelps are getting killed tonight, since i strongly suspect one being an escort while the other is a consort. We'll have to resort to lynching between them, since i don't think we'd have dbl escort.

Except we DO have 2 escorts. There have been 3 roleblock reports 4 out of 5 nights and Phelps claims to have blocked someone who didn't claim on night 4, which accounts for 3 roleblocks every single night.

They were put in by the hosts to ensure that if an escort blocked a consort, they wouldn't get confirmed scum. There are also tons of scum in the same pairing that are actually in the game.

1 consort
1 witch
1 blackmailer
maybe a ghost

I find it very scummy if anyone tries to convince the town that if one of us flips escort, the other must be lynched without question.

[FM Ackerman]

My Current Suspicions.
Godfather Earle Primary/Buch Secondary
Consort Phelps Primary/Monroe Secondary
Consigliere Carafelli
Kidnapper Unknown
Drugdealer Unknown
Blackmailer Unknown

Other non town
Dunn

[FM Parker]

Monroe, why do you have me as a bus driver? I have never ever softclaimed bus and I'm in no way a bus driver or anything like it.

Also, I'd like to apologize for lynch train on you. I had you down as claiming witched and it was Morgan. My apologies.

As for the bus/kidnapper article, it didn't clear Ackerman et. al, it just said they weren't mafia. They could still be savages. The conclusion is logical if you believe that the author actually guessed the mafia's target three times. I have trouble with the sheer luck that takes.

[FM Monroe]

Buchwalter isn't godfather unless they sent their drug dealer to kill night 2.

The blackmailer didn't kill night 2. As confirmed by Colmyer.

[FM Lichtmann]

Sigh I come on and ppl are talking about ghost and stuff have nobody figured it out what the other neutral is? I have. Also a lot of you have said night 5. Have you noticed we are right now on DAY 5? I'm tempted to out the neutral because its very obvious right now for those who have not noticed

also this

-vote FM Earl

[FM Lichtmann]

I wont be on as much today though because my sister is getting married tomorrow. I am best man.

[FM Ackerman]

Very well. I still find it weird that the interviewee tried to clear you though. And to me it looked like you were soft-counter claiming Cafarelli for a while.

I was entertaining the idea that she may be legitimate based on bad information. If in fact escorts could have converted it would have made sense, now i think the dead savage is Lookout.

Except we DO have 2 escorts. There have been 3 roleblock reports 4 out of 5 nights and Phelps claims to have blocked someone who didn't claim on night 4, which accounts for 3 roleblocks every single night.

They were put in by the hosts to ensure that if an escort blocked a consort, they wouldn't get confirmed scum. There are also tons of scum in the same pairing that are actually in the game.

1 consort
1 witch
1 blackmailer
maybe a ghost

I find it very scummy if anyone tries to convince the town that if one of us flips escort, the other must be lynched without question.

I could believe we have 2 escorts and 1 consig, I could also believe there has been drugging/false claiming. I'm concerned about the blackmails though. With the exception of one person nobody has revealed they were blackmailed. I certainly hope we have a coroner digging up last wills, because if I were mafia I would be blackmailing and then killing. I think we should consider the claims of anyone who dies the following night to be questionable don't you?

[FM Monroe]

Monroe, why do you have me as a bus driver? I have never ever softclaimed bus and I'm in no way a bus driver or anything like it.

Kidnapper*
Has nothing to do with soft claims, a kidnapper might not make any of those. It's because your mindset often seems to correspond with that of Mendez and what was said in the article. And if it was a kidnapper who was interviewed, the mafia did not have time to discuss the article's contents because it was posted before the night started.

UNLESS those hours before the day ending was finally posted were meant to give the mafia a brief period of time to discuss the subject.

Also, I'd like to apologize for lynch train on you. I had you down as claiming witched and it was Morgan. My apologies.

As for the bus/kidnapper article, it didn't clear Ackerman et. al, it just said they weren't mafia. They could still be savages. The conclusion is logical if you believe that the author actually guessed the mafia's target three times. I have trouble with the sheer luck that takes.

As do I.

[FM Hopgood]

Sigh I come on and ppl are talking about ghost and stuff have nobody figured it out what the other neutral is? I have. Also a lot of you have said night 5. Have you noticed we are right now on DAY 5? I'm tempted to out the neutral because its very obvious right now for those who have not noticed

also this

-vote FM Earl

Youre missing an E

[FM Lichtmann]

apparently i can't vote right

-vote FM Earle

[FM Ackerman]

Buchwalter isn't godfather unless they sent their drug dealer to kill night 2.

The blackmailer didn't kill night 2. As confirmed by Colmyer.

Clarify this thought please.

[FM Lichtmann]

Youre missing an E

Wheres your vote? XD

Also thoughts on day so far?

I've read that you can't handle this much but what you think?

[FM Parker]

@Lichtmann, the neutral is not obvious to me. Please out the other neutral.

[FM Ackerman]

Kidnapper*
Has nothing to do with soft claims, a kidnapper might not make any of those. It's because your mindset often seems to correspond with that of Mendez and what was said in the article. And if it was a kidnapper who was interviewed, the mafia did not have time to discuss the article's contents because it was posted before the night started.

UNLESS those hours before the day ending was finally posted were meant to give the mafia a brief period of time to discuss the subject.


As do I.

Didn't we establish that the article writer was not a kidnapper. He had the leads wrong. I believedunn was also accused of writing the article and has yet to confirm/deny. I can only assume this means he was in fact the author. He would want to deny and get called out by the kidnapper. But he wouldn't want to confirm because that makes him a liar.

[FM Ackerman]

Didn't we establish that the article writer was not a kidnapper. He had the leads wrong. I believedunn was also accused of writing the article and has yet to confirm/deny. I can only assume this means he was in fact the author. He would not want to deny and get called out by the journalist. But he wouldn't want to confirm it because that makes him a liar.

Failed this post so hard let me correct it.

[FM Lichtmann]

@Lichtmann, the neutral is not obvious to me. Please out the other neutral.

The person who has a vote on me has claimed executioner. If you look back the entire game he FoSed only me.

[FM Hopgood]

Wheres your vote? XD

Also thoughts on day so far?

I've read that you can't handle this much but what you think?

If he passed the soma to earle is true, then i guess he is mafia
Im just sheeping through all of this

[FM Galletta]

The person who has a vote on me has claimed executioner. If you look back the entire game he FoSed only me.

Actually, I have been fingering you for awhile now, and you are no more innocent to me than you were day 1, which is 0 on innocence scale, doll.

Good night, sweet Elsa.

-vote FM Lichtmann

[FM Monroe]

Clarify this thought please.

I blocked Buchwalter night 2. Therefore, he did not kill night 2.

Therefore, he is probably not the godfather.

I could believe we have 2 escorts and 1 consig, I could also believe there has been drugging/false claiming. I'm concerned about the blackmails though. With the exception of one person nobody has revealed they were blackmailed.

Morgan also revealed it and flipped savage. I was entertaining the thought that it might have been because of this:

A savage power role who claims blackmailed will become a savage.

But I'm not sure, because Colmyer's blackmail was legitimate. So it would have to mean there's 2 blackmailers and I still seriously doubt that.

It's possible the new blackmails are a lot more subtle and hard to detect. Like the claim from Buchwalter against Earle. Or pretty much any other claims, like Cafarelli's, as you suggest. Cafarelli claimed drugged last night, but she was blocked.

I can promise you that my claim wasn't blackmailed though. I was considered scummy enough for the mafia not to blackmail me. And showed enough intellect to be able to find loopholes against multiple requests.

[FM Lichtmann]

Actually, I have been fingering you for awhile now, and you are no more innocent to me than you were day 1, which is 0 on innocence scale, doll.

Good night, sweet Elsa.

-vote FM Lichtmann

LOLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love derpage. What makes me so scummy to you?

[FM Monroe]

Didn't we establish that the article writer was not a kidnapper. He had the leads wrong. I believedunn was also accused of writing the article and has yet to confirm/deny. I can only assume this means he was in fact the author. He would want to deny and get called out by the kidnapper. But he wouldn't want to confirm because that makes him a liar.

Where was it established that it must have been the bus driver? Why the heck would the kidnapper call out a bus driver, only to be confirmed scum himself if a lynch flipped bus driver? Why would a bus driver lie about your swap on night 3 inside an anonymous article? Why would he come up with some crappy argument why he tried to protect Kalou that is just blatantly false if you actually check who he voted for on day 2?

All of this makes more sense for a kidnapper than a bus driver. The fact that you're trying to encourage the thought that it was a bus driver who posted it supports my theory that you are in cahoots.

They could also just kill him at night.

[FM Ackerman]

Where was it established that it must have been the bus driver? Why the heck would the kidnapper call out a bus driver, only to be confirmed scum himself if a lynch flipped bus driver? Why would a bus driver lie about your swap on night 3 inside an anonymous article? Why would he come up with some crappy argument why he tried to protect Kalou that is just blatantly false if you actually check who he voted for on day 2?

All of this makes more sense for a kidnapper than a bus driver. The fact that you're trying to encourage the thought that it was a bus driver who posted it supports my theory that you are in cahoots.

They could also just kill him at night.

I corrcted this already. Kidnapper was supposed to be journalist

[FM Ackerman]

Actually, I have been fingering you for awhile now, and you are no more innocent to me than you were day 1, which is 0 on innocence scale, doll.

Good night, sweet Elsa.

-vote FM Lichtmann

Give us a good reason to believe you are town, provide an opionion on the Earle Accusation.

[FM Galletta]

Everything about you.

Your lack of regard for the English language, your terrible personality.

Really, 'derpage'? That is your best defense.

Instead of coming up with any sort of reasonable defense, you account it to my 'derpage', and the other voter is an executioner. Best defense I have ever seen.

If anyone else here has at least 1/4th the brain power of a mouse, they would also want to pressure you.

LOLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love derpage. What makes me so scummy to you?

[FM Mendez]

I'm gone for a few hours and the lynch train changes over to Earle? I suspected he was scummy for awhile now. He has been trying to buddy Parker and myself for awhile now and actively lurking.

-vote FM Earle

This puts him at L-2. Please don't vote him again or Hopgood will try to hammer. I will be catching up on all the posts I've missed

[FM Galletta]

I feel that regardless of what I say, those of you who have formed an opinion of me won't hear it. My role doesn't matter, and you can chose to believe what you want. I am not going to attempt to corral you all like sheep. I will state my opinion, and if you care enough and see any sense in it, then you can just join in if you want.

As for the Earle accusation, I believe it is unfounded. He may post in small quantity, but quantity>quality for me.

Either way, in the end of the day, you're all going to vote for who you wish.

Give us a good reason to believe you are town, provide an opionion on the Earle Accusation.

[FM Galletta]

I'm gone for a few hours and the lynch train changes over to Earle? I suspected he was scummy for awhile now. He has been trying to buddy Parker and myself for awhile now and actively lurking.

-vote FM Earle

This puts him at L-2. Please don't vote him again or Hopgood will try to hammer. I will be catching up on all the posts I've missed

You are hastily jumping to conclusions over him being friendly and lurking to him being scum without even fingering anybody else.

[FM Monroe]

This setup discourages town investigative PR claims. The journalist can be recruited by the savages, which I doubt they'd want at this point.

Though if someone flips bus driver tomorrow and it was not the person who was interviewed, the journalist must definitely claim. A doctor or enforcer could still protect them.

The mafia had better not try to kill the BD for this reason, if they know who he is.

[FM Ackerman]

You are hastily jumping to conclusions over him being friendly and lurking to him being scum without even fingering anybody else.

The alternative is buch being godather, and buch was rbed during a kill, thats why we suspect early over buch.

[FM Monroe]

Monroe, why do you have me as a bus driver? I have never ever softclaimed bus and I'm in no way a bus driver or anything like it.

Also, I'd like to apologize for lynch train on you. I had you down as claiming witched and it was Morgan. My apologies.

As for the bus/kidnapper article, it didn't clear Ackerman et. al, it just said they weren't mafia. They could still be savages. The conclusion is logical if you believe that the author actually guessed the mafia's target three times. I have trouble with the sheer luck that takes.

Could you clarify here why you say the author guessed the target three times? I only see nights 3 and 4 being claimed as kill redirects.

[FM Galletta]

The alternative is buch being godather, and buch was rbed during a kill, thats why we suspect early over buch.

I never said anything about Buch, though.


Earle has at least posted constructive material.

Lichtmann has just been floating the entire game.

[FM Mendez]

day 1 reads:

galloway is a town pr or scummy for trying to play a noob then calling it off, i think probable scum based on day 1 gut reactions

monroe started the mckelty bus, and uses reasons that other players might not necessarily know as bad to do: finding p.r.s

ackerman scum sheep for voting after cohens shpeel

caf is slightly suspicious for telling docs to heal cohen, might have known there is no poisoner

mendez strikes me as scum. not sure why

Scumhunting from day1 chat. Some lurkers should just continue lurking.

You are hastily jumping to conclusions over him being friendly and lurking to him being scum without even fingering anybody else.

I was originally on the Cafarelli lynch. Now that I've skimmed over the day it is more concrete. He did not reveal the Soma given to him which is extremely scummy.
I've had suspicion on Earle for awhile. Pointing out when he is actively lurking and posting just enough not to get replaced and his attempt at buddying with Parker and myself.

Why are you trying to protect Earle?

@Monroes claim post. I will need a minute to post a solid response. Walls of texts deserve more than a few lines of answer.

[FM Ackerman]

I never said anything about Buch, though.


Earle has at least posted constructive material.

Lichtmann has just been floating the entire game.

I was not aware lichtmann had soma :P Please explain.

[FM Kalou]

Scumhunting from day1 chat. Some lurkers should just continue lurking.



I was originally on the Cafarelli lynch. Now that I've skimmed over the day it is more concrete. He did not reveal the Soma given to him which is extremely scummy.
I've had suspicion on Earle for awhile. Pointing out when he is actively lurking and posting just enough not to get replaced and his attempt at buddying with Parker and myself.

Why are you trying to protect Earle?

@Monroes claim post. I will need a minute to post a solid response. Walls of texts deserve more than a few lines of answer.

told you why i was doing it.

and galletta, why do you not support the lynch train on earle? buche has called him out on giving him soma, and there was a double kill?

[FM Donnelly]

Time to post at last! I only have a couple hours, unfortunately. I'll try to make them count. First order of business:

As for Morgan being a PR at the start.

I want to point out this beautiful post by Donnelly:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post320905


2 days later, Morgan flips savage.

Was Donnelly's pride hurt when we said any savage godfather would only ever "recruit as" with no valid leads on possible investigative roles?

Has Donnelly been trying to mass-direct the masons to ensure the savages would be left alone?

DISCUSS!

What does Morgan flipping savage on Day 4 have to do with my FoS of you and Cafarelli from Day 2?

If my strategy is to "mass-direct" masons, I am failing miserably at it considering I only ever told them to target one person on one particular day (exaggerate much?). But if they agree with your line of reasoning and think I'm a savage, they may target me tonight if they wish. Uh oh, I'm directing masons again...

As to more current affairs:

-unvote

I'm still wary of Cafarelli, but Earle has more concrete evidence against him and appears to be the godfather, which makes him a more pressing lynch target.

I'd vote Earle now, but that would put him at L-1 which would bring us dangerously close to ending the day 24 hours early. So for now I'll reserve my vote so we can gain more information from this day. I'll be around for a little while longer if anyone else wishes to discuss anything with me. Otherwise, I will be sure to log in again before day ends in case my vote is needed to lynch Earle.

[FM Monroe]

As for the bus/kidnapper article, it didn't clear Ackerman et. al, it just said they weren't mafia. They could still be savages.

Oh and one more thing about this particular part. It's true it wouldn't fully clear them, but it surely would help them to gain the town's trust if the article was believed to come from a bus driver. After all, the mafia makes up the most of the remaining scum in the game. That could be enough to buy them a few days and a few days could be enough to get really close to a mafia victory. Especially if only part of the players who are suggested to be trustworthy are mafia in reality and the others are decoys for mislynching if the author gets caught.

[FM Monroe]

What does Morgan flipping savage on Day 4 have to do with my FoS of you and Cafarelli from Day 2?

If my strategy is to "mass-direct" masons, I am failing miserably at it considering I only ever told them to target one person on one particular day (exaggerate much?). But if they agree with your line of reasoning and think I'm a savage, they may target me tonight if they wish. Uh oh, I'm directing masons again...

Did you even read the post I linked to? You suggested that the savages might try normal recruits instead of recruit as gamma.

Then boom, Morgan flips normal savage 2 days later.

Not only did you make recommendations, you told them to blow all their soma on Cafarelli. You also recommended Biggs to be mason clubbed several times yesterday. Though I'm not sure if you said anything day 3.