Day 5

[FM Parker]

Cafarelli, passing the soma to an invest is likely moronic if the mayor would think the investigator is likely to be bussed. The mayor would lose control over the soma.

Rage all you want but I don't think you are anywhere near death.

Willing to answer questions Galloway.

[FM Parker]

Cafarelli, I am not seeing this soma addiction thing you are talking about.

[FM Hopgood]

Hey guys, read day 5, 3 pages isnt bad for me, it seemed caf is raging on something, (he could be blackmailed, or he is just extremely pissed off) and earle is sudden more active than most days

To be honest here, this game is kinda hard for me because i have attention disorder, so reading hundreds and hundreds of posts get my mind floating off topic.
Like for example when you guys were talking about blackmailed and stuff, i was thinking what if i was blackmailer, i could do a lot of cool blackmails even though i am not blackmailer or even part of mafia
For example, Hello (name) i want to play a game. You have 48 hours to do blah blah blah. Live or die. Make your choice.
That just one of them, my mind waver so much during this game
Will probably never FM again because its too hard for me, dont replace me i want to experience this just once.

[FM Galletta]

Greetings.

Last night I was roleblocked.

Also glad to see someone else share the enthusiasm for FM Ballard as I did.

[FM Cafarelli]

I'm detecting a strange change to Caff.... I see alot of stupid...plently of rage/troll... I'm suspecting blackmail? Not to sure....

there is really nothing stupid/trolling in my posts.

Actually you stated that you were going to withhold information in a clear and concise sentence. You wound up revealing it though.

incorrect, i said i was going to tell you later

Cafarelli, passing the soma to an invest is likely moronic if the mayor would think the investigator is likely to be bussed. The mayor would lose control over the soma.

Rage all you want but I don't think you are anywhere near death.

Willing to answer questions Galloway.

yea maybe i'm not near death but i will be drugged again and again if no bd stops it

Cafarelli, I am not seeing this soma addiction thing you are talking about.

lol yea that's a metaphora of me suiciding if you all go on like this, especially the bd

[FM Cafarelli]

and lol no i am not blackmailed (i wouldn't say this if i was). what do you think they blackmailed me? "rage all day" ? that's pretty pointless.
and now lynch phelps

[FM Earle]

Earle for one will not be on this Phelps train.

Earle is supposing the savages converted each night.

Earle made a mistake. Back to lurking Earle will. See you all on Day 6. Maybe Day 7. Lets see.

[FM Parker]

Greetings.

Last night I was roleblocked.

Also glad to see someone else share the enthusiasm for FM Ballard as I did.

Ballard was shot by the mafia and he turned out to be a savage. I'm not sure if anyone had the same enthusiasm at the end. I figured Ballard might be a savage due to his flip if he wasn't blackmailed. The fact he flipped savage is not a shock to me, and the other guy Hopgood should be clubbed (sorry newbie).

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@Galloway Unless the arrogant ass mayor documented who received the first soma in their message, the mayor might be forced to reveal to track his/her first soma. Revealing who has the soma puts a huge target on the recipient's back.

Lucky for us, the first recipient must give us the Godfather or be lynched. There were only two bussed claims yesterday. That means either two people withheld (unlikely), or a bus driver/kidnapper was roleblocked. I find the latter more probable.

I disagree with the journalist bus driver assertion that there are two bus drivers. The mafia would have put a specific name on their blackmail if they wanted that target lynched. The blackmail would be useless if a lurker comes on and posts he's town. A lurker all of a sudden defending Colmyer would be more useful (in case Colmyer was bussed twice). I still buy a kidnapper in the game.

[FM Ryan]

Calm down, Cafarelli. We'll make it somehow. For now I'm going to put my trust in you. Let's hope that you were right.

Anyway, Phelps is our only solid lead, so if you don't have anything else I suggest that we vote Phelps today. Looking forward to his "defence".

-vote -FM Phelps

[FM Buchwalter]

Last night I was roleblocked.

That is one role-block down at least. Possibly two more to go.

Also glad to see someone else share the enthusiasm for FM Ballard as I did.

A little sad to see he was Savage, had marked him down as town. But I guess that was mostly based on how he was day 1, and he most likely was town at that time. Same reason I though Morgan was town, but yeah reading people really is not my thing.

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@Cafarelli:
What did you mean in your ragey post? I'm not sure I really understood what you said had happened to you.

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-vote FM Phelps

Lets see what Phelps has to say for his defends.

[FM Parker]

and lol no i am not blackmailed (i wouldn't say this if i was). what do you think they blackmailed me? "rage all day" ? that's pretty pointless.
and now lynch phelps

How have your investigations always been accurate if you've been drug dealed? I think having a consigliere suicide is very beneficial at this point. We might have gotten all the usefulness we will get from you.

Do not vote Phelps. Carafelli is much scummier and lynching her gives us information on Ackerman as well, because he was certain Cafarelli is scum. If Cafarelli flips town, we are guaranteed a mafia in Ackerman. That's also setting aside the moronic mayor confirming who the Buck stops with.

Phelps can be roleblocked. Carafelli shockingly has not been roleblocked and I think possibly not drugged.

[FM Ryan]

-vote FM Phelps

I made a typo out there...

[FM Parker]

-vote FM Carafelli

Carafell's lynch does more for the town. If you received the first soma, you might want to explain if you're already on before the mayor forgets Cafarelli v Phelps and lynches you.

Knock off the Phelps train. It's Cafarelli's scum play. The rage is fake. How is Cafarelli always right with his investigative pairings if drug dealt. My vote remains until this is answered.

[FM Buchwalter]

Feedback Claims:

• Godfather / ???
  
  1. killed Ballard
  2. killed Bekowsky
• Bus Driver / Kidnapper
  
  1. bussed Parker
  2. bussed Rose
• Escort / Consort
  
  1. blocked Galletta
• Journalist / Corrupted Journalist
  
  1. interviewd unknown

Notable Posts:

• Cafarelli
  
  1. Confusing rage post. [#39]

Lynch Trains:

• Phelps
  
  1. Being "Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost". [D4 #528]

Tally Archive:

• Day 1 version of this list. [D1 #535]
• Day 2 version of this list. [D2 #783]
• Day 3 version of this list. [D3 #323]
• Day 3 version of this list. [D4 #526]

[FM Ryan]

You forgot the Witch feedback claim. Why did you lynch poor Biggs anyway?

[FM Buchwalter]

How have your investigations always been accurate if you've been drug dealed? I think having a consigliere suicide is very beneficial at this point. We might have gotten all the usefulness we will get from you.

Do not vote Phelps. Carafelli is much scummier and lynching her gives us information on Ackerman as well, because he was certain Cafarelli is scum. If Cafarelli flips town, we are guaranteed a mafia in Ackerman. That's also setting aside the moronic mayor confirming who the Buck stops with.

Phelps can be roleblocked. Carafelli shockingly has not been roleblocked and I think possibly not drugged.

-vote FM Carafelli

Carafell's lynch does more for the town. If you received the first soma, you might want to explain if you're already on before the mayor forgets Cafarelli v Phelps and lynches you.

Knock off the Phelps train. It's Cafarelli's scum play. The rage is fake. How is Cafarelli always right with his investigative pairings if drug dealt. My vote remains until this is answered.

Interesting none the less, I'm still confused on a few of the things Cafarelli in his ragey post. But I do wanna hear what Cafarelli have to say to this.

[FM Buchwalter]

You forgot the Witch feedback claim. Why did you lynch poor Biggs anyway?

Did I? Or what do you mean? Who claimed witched? And when?

[FM Parker]

-vote FM Cafarelli

I HATE THAT NAME!!! ARGH!

@Ryan, Biggs's lynch gave information to the town, his claim was improbable and he acted pretty scummy. It was a good lynch and confirmed either the witch or Cafarelli was lying about being drug dealt.

[FM Ryan]

I read the whole Day 1-4 shit after being replaced. Apparently Biggs claimed that he was witched twice, but you chose not to believe him and lynched him on the spot.

Who started out the lynch train on Biggs in the first place? I'm sure Mafia was involved in that.

[FM Buchwalter]

-vote FM Cafarelli

I HATE THAT NAME!!! ARGH!

@Ryan, Biggs's lynch gave information to the town, his claim was improbable and he acted pretty scummy. It was a good lynch and confirmed either the witch or Cafarelli was lying about being drug dealt.

Sadly we learned that there is indeed a Witch in game. At least I see no reason that a Delta would lie about being witched.

[FM Parker]

I read the whole Day 1-4 shit after being replaced. Apparently Biggs claimed that he was witched twice, but you chose not to believe him and lynched him on the spot.

Who started out the lynch train on Biggs in the first place? I'm sure Mafia was involved in that.

I take responsibility for starting the lynch for the reasons I detailed above. I didn't think that it was likely to catch the any random and figured that Biggs was a savage using witched claims to communicate. The presence of witch was unlikely. Attacking a delta twice was unlikely. He wasn't posting a lot to take the heat off PR roles. Not mafia but I was the big driving force behind that lynch Ryan.

I found it much more likely that Biggs was lying about being a delta. I was wrong, but the loss to the town was minimal and we gained a lot of information that day.

[FM Chapman]

Hello, I'm here and nothing happened to me last night.

However, I'm busy ATM and likely won't be able to post much for the next 24 hours.

[FM Chapman]

Hello, I'm here and nothing happened to me last night.

However, I'm busy ATM and likely won't be able to post much for the next 24 hours.

I'll be back as soon as I can.

I'm waiting for Phelps to show up before I pass judgment on him.

For now,

-vote fm Lichtmann

Lets get that scum.

[FM Chapman]

Don't even know what happened there

[FM Mason]

Hello, I'm here and nothing happened to me last night.

However, I'm busy ATM and likely won't be able to post much for the next 24 hours.

I'll be back as soon as I can.

I'm waiting for Phelps to show up before I pass judgment on him.

For now,

-vote fm Lichtmann

Lets get that scum.

You misspelled Phelps

[FM Parker]

Hello lurkers, post please.

This Phelps train has no evidence. The Cafarelli train does. This makes NO [bleeping] sense!

[FM Mason]

Hello lurkers, post please.

This Phelps train has no evidence. The Cafarelli train does. This makes NO [bleeping] sense!

It's not a train if it only has one vote! It's like a ...car...or something.

[FM Parker]

Mason, I was including the other days when I called it a train, it's derailed to one car though. Cafarelli has a [bleep] ton of evidence pointing to him as scum.

1) Always right on investigative pairing despite being the obvious drug deal target
2) Has admitted to lying about investigating Cohen but the lie was accurate
3) Claims she could become addicted to soma and die, when pressured on this, he cannot find that in the setup
4) Is timing investigative reveals to allow for no analysis
5) Is leading a lynch on a possible PR role with no reason
6) When I question Cafarelli on the reason why his investigations are always right, he vanishes.
7) The mafia didn't kill Cafarelli with two shots and Cafarelli was not bussed. If Cafarelli was a town investigator, the mafia should have SHOT him. Give the mafia two bullets and they don't even fire them at the invest... WT*.
Cafarelli cannot be the savage investigator because the savages are not allowed to recruit as a role already in their setup.
9) Because Cafarelli cannot be the town or savage investigator, he is the consigliere.

That's just in a SINGLE day. Furthermore,

1) The journal entry at the end of Day 4 called Ackerman 100% not mafia.
2) Ackerman was convinced that Cafarelli was the consigliere.
3) Lynching Cafarelli confirms Ackerman's likely non-mafia status for all, not just the journalist bus driver from day 4.

[FM Earle]

Earle is back.

Earle made his decision. Earle will try to get himself killed tonight so that Earle is not an interesting target to be converted.

Earle will use his decades of experience and make intelligent posts.

[FM Mendez]

Ok from what I've read this is the summary

-Yesterday late in day Cafarelli revealed Phelps as bm/consort/escort/witch/ghost
-Admitted to lying about Cohen's investigation but still accurate.

ps: since i dont give a fuck anymore if you trust me or not i might aswell admit that i actually never checked cohen. i would never waste a night action like this. in that night i went to galetta and now have a guess what i received... awesome right
that basicly means without me being so good you would have already lost.
fm phelps once said something about me doing gambits. scumslip because mafia knew ofc about my gambit

I'm trying to find the post were you said lying = scum. I do not believe that is true, but it seems obvious that you guessed his role. What I found most suspicious is that Mafia has not killed you after you revealed Cohen, with the kidnapper they have no reason not to if you are a legit invest. This would also explain how you knew that Cohen lied about the poisoning feedback.

Going to hold my vote until Phelps shows his defense. Right now I think Parker is on the right track. Also this suicide business reminds me of Brostin from FM 13. Suiciding is anti-town if you are actually an investigator.

[FM Parker]

Earle should make an intelligent post on Cafarelli and Phelps. It's nice to hear Earle's detailed thoughts.

Wow... Buchwalter, Cafarelli and Ryan turned lurker after I posted the Cafarelli evidence.

Can you narrow down where the suiciding happened in FM13 with Brostin, Mendez? Reading the whole thing would take far too long.

[FM Earle]

Earle's often useful player impression list. Sorted by strong medium weak impression.

FM Ackerman
FM Black
FM Buchwalter
FM Cafarelli
FM Carruthers
FM Chapman
FM Donnelly
FM Dunn
FM Earle
FM Fontaine
FM Galletta
FM Galloway
FM Green
FM Hogeboom
FM Hopgood
FM Kalou
FM Kelso
FM Leary
FM Lichtmann
FM Mason
FM Mendez
FM Monroe
FM Parker
FM Phelps
FM Rose
FM Ryan

Mafia should be shaking in their boots now. Kill Earle tonight, Mafia must.

[FM Parker]

Earle assumes Kalou is mafia when journalist bus driver cleared him. Earle is wrong. Earle is also uncertain about Ackerman despite him being cleared. Earle's list needs a lot of work.

[FM Earle]

Earle already made lots of accusations against Cafarelli. Sure did during Cohen train. Stood with Phelps Earle had. Nay, nothing more to say.

On Phelps, Earle thinks. More respectable than other self proclaimed town leader. Sure is. Phelps being called scum, Earle did not understand.

[FM Earle]

Earle assumes Kalou is mafia when journalist bus driver cleared him. Earle is wrong. Earle is also uncertain about Ackerman despite him being cleared. Earle's list needs a lot of work.

Read legend Parker must. Red means weak impression. Or lurker. Maybe stupid. Certainly not useful. Perhaps too busy to contribute.

[FM Parker]

Oh Earle's legend is not strong medium weak on mafia... just if Earle has figured them out. Gotcha Earle.

Parker wants to know which faction Earle has Buchwalter in. Parker thinks Buchwalter is an active lurker.

[FM Mendez]

Earle should make an intelligent post on Cafarelli and Phelps. It's nice to hear Earle's detailed thoughts.

Wow... Buchwalter, Cafarelli and Ryan turned lurker after I posted the Cafarelli evidence.

Can you narrow down where the suiciding happened in FM13 with Brostin, Mendez? Reading the whole thing would take far too long.

Sorry I don't want to appear to be com hunting. If I recall, he was a paranoid sheriff and tried to prove his investigation by day suiciding and proving he was sheriff. FM13 paranoid sheriff always found target as scum. Not sure if it's relevant, Cafarelli's actions just reminded me of it.

[FM Mendez]

Oh Earle's legend is not strong medium weak on mafia... just if Earle has figured them out. Gotcha Earle.

Parker wants to know which faction Earle has Buchwalter in. Parker thinks Buchwalter is an active lurker.

Mendez wishes Parker would stop talking like this with Earle.

[FM Parker]

Ok. I'll try to get Earle to contribute without talking in third person.

[FM Mendez]

Ok. I'll try to get Earle to contribute without talking in third person.

@Parker, I have a theory that Ballard was using his quacks to signal his results on those he investigated to the rest of the cult. I plan on going through his posts to see if there was any kind of pattern.

@Earle, Why do you have yourself labeled as a medium impression?

[FM Buchwalter]

Earle should make an intelligent post on Cafarelli and Phelps. It's nice to hear Earle's detailed thoughts.

Wow... Buchwalter, Cafarelli and Ryan turned lurker after I posted the Cafarelli evidence.

Can you narrow down where the suiciding happened in FM13 with Brostin, Mendez? Reading the whole thing would take far too long.

I'm waiting TV with my girl-friend, so can not post too much.

[FM Parker]

@Mendez, I think that's a good idea. I would suspect quacks are more easily communicated as failed conversions or what not. A pattern would be good. I'm going to look as well. The sheepy reasoning by Hopgood onto me suggests that he is also a savage.

I also think Earle's list is a joke, designed to draw attention from one or two mafia.

@Buchwalter, right... well whenever you get a chance, you should attempt to respond to the evidence I posted at Cafarelli... that is if you aren't watching TV for the next couple hours with her constantly. *bullshit detector fired at Buchwalter's last statement*

[FM Buchwalter]

right... well whenever you get a chance, you should attempt to respond to the evidence I posted at Cafarelli... that is if you aren't watching TV for the next couple hours with her constantly. *bullshit detector fired at Buchwalter's last statement*

Most of my weekends go with watching TV with my girl-friend or doing homework lately. I do read what is going on, just can not post too much as my girl-friend get annoyed at me.

I did read and agree with a lot of your points, I did say day 2 that all we had from Cafarelli was his word. If Cafarelli really did lie about having checked Cohen, it means that all the things that confirm Cafarelli as town was a lie.

-unvote

[FM Buchwalter]

I also think Earle's list is a joke, designed to draw attention from one or two mafia.

Earle's list is not that bad, you just think about it wrong. The list show who Earle think is being useful, not who he trust.

@Earle, Why do you have yourself labeled as a medium impression?

This I do find funny to, but Earle knows that he him self is not helping a whole lot.

[FM Monroe]

Looks to me like Cafarelli is trying to fake being blackmailed so she can get away with another day of being completely unhelpful while we focus on Phelps.
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[FM Monroe]

I mean if she was really blackmailed to rage like mad, she wouldn't be deliberately trying to confuse people about feedback she received like this.

last night i was drugged AGAIN!!!!!!! i was not drugged last night so i think the drug dealer was roleblocked. i said block same, but noo what are escorts doing of course...

Drugged again last night. Not drugged last night. Requests to block the same, yet drug dealer was not in the pairing she posted on Phelps and if anything, what feedback we had yesterday indicated that a bus driver or kidnapper may have been blocked at the time. Now she claims to have guessed Cohen's pairing right on a role of which no evidence existed and implies that she was drugged night 3, as well as night 1. The latter of which seems extremely doubtful.

Also Parker it is not confirmed that Cafarelli isn't savage investigator, because if I read the rules right they could still try to recruit her normally.

You may not -recruit players as [insert hidden gamma roles] that are duplicates of hidden gamma roles currently in the cult.

This only mentions the recruit as option. Not the normal recruit player option.

Using the recruit as option on a gamma role would have made an investigator a standard savage.

If you -recruit a gamma or epsilon as [insert hidden gamma role], they will lose their role abilities and become savages.

Also the idea that Cafarelli may be a consigliere didn't come from Ackerman originally. Hogeboom posted it first at the start of the day, and Cafarelli seemed to feel the need to discourage his thoughts with what seemed like a very hollow defense.

www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=323553&viewfull=1#post323553

The witch is probably real as the random any.

I do think the arsonist only managed to douse scum and dead people, as Cohen was talking about the mafia screwing him over and wanting to return the favor. He was likely really looking for mafia. If my assumption that nobody got blackmailed night 1 is true, then either the mafia waited with their blackmail to pick a good target after a day of seeing people talk or the blackmailer was roleblocked.

Galletta has become very silent since the start of the game and was one of the first people Cohen decided to pick on. Maybe she's trying to keep us from comparing her writing style to those blackmail messages? Maybe Cohen doused her and tried to connect the dots from there? This is just a hunch and I'm not sure I'm willing to act on it yet.

Hi everyone, nothing happened to me.


What if the Mafia decided to throw the Arsonist under the bus? One of their people (Biggs) was doused, they saw Cohen's claim and let Cafarelli, their Consigliere, check him as to have confirmation. Then he pushed the lynch with a different accusation (him being Drug Dealer or what was it?), knowing that Cohen was the Arsonist which would give Cafarelli credibility.

Of course, I could also be talking out of my ass.

cohen said the mafia screwed him over because they didn't drug deal me that night or anything else to prevent me from checking him. the mafia just let him die, probably they even supported the lynch to look protown. so yes, i agree with you that he indeed tried to get the mafia.
however i am not a consig, i really thought he was mafia after i received that pairing, because noone ever claimed doused. even cohen said he thinks i'm an investigator and the mafia wouldn't lynch the arsonist.

Don't give Ackerman too much credit. I don't trust the article that was posted at the end of yesterday for multiple reasons.

[FM Mendez]

@Mendez, I think that's a good idea. I would suspect quacks are more easily communicated as failed conversions or what not. A pattern would be good. I'm going to look as well. The sheepy reasoning by Hopgood onto me suggests that he is also a savage.

I also think Earle's list is a joke, designed to draw attention from one or two mafia.

@Buchwalter, right... well whenever you get a chance, you should attempt to respond to the evidence I posted at Cafarelli... that is if you aren't watching TV for the next couple hours with her constantly. *bullshit detector fired at Buchwalter's last statement*

Looking over his quacks. There is no distinct pattern in quacks, just looks like regular RPing. For the most part he only uses a few quacks. He slowed down with the RP a lot on day 3 on.

From the OoO in setup
19. Savage Godfather Recruits
20. All Kills (-1)

So we know that Morgan was converted either n3 or sometime before and Ballard was converted either n4 or before. From Ballards post day2 #449 -

1) Rose is suspicious for not answering me yesterday. Lichtmann is a cunt.
2) I had a feeling it'd be a shit lynch.

Originally Posted by FM Kelso
Currently reading...
Nothing happenned to me.
Colmyer is annoying
OMG 2 journalist article.

That's what I can say so far. Will be back after reading all them posts.
Scum.

Ackerman is a much better lynch target, I've explained why already, yet no one gives a fuck.

We can either conclude that none of these players are savages or that he was not converted into Cult yet.

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Monroe, in the article from yesterday it said that you were bussed on the first night with Mason. Is this true?

[FM Earle]

Earle used the word impression. Easy to remember. They exist. For better or worse. Even spammers making empty posts will give strong impressions.

[FM Parker]

@Monroe, I will admit that it's theoretically possible that Cafarelli is the savage investigator. Yet, I'd be surprised if the Mason Enforcer (supposing we have one) wasn't all over Cafarelli. The host couldn't have excluded both Enforcers and Clubbers since Mayor is a unique role. One of the two must be here. Masons would have been on Cafarelli from Night 3 on. The odds of her being a savage investigator are so ridiculous though.

Ballard was likely "recruited as" no logical explanation for plain recruiting him IMO. Why would they do that though if Cafarelli was already a savage investigator? In fact, they couldn't. I cannot see a possible, plausible way for Cafarelli to be the savage investigator.

I also cannot see why Cafarelli is not dead nor attacked ever.

[FM Parker]

Monroe, separate post for easy quoting here, why don't you trust the bus article?