Day 5

[FM Parker]

I might as well explain what I was thinking there.

What if Earle was a delta who got turned into a savage journalist, and wants to pretend 2 articles tomorrow both came from him?

THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE JOURNALIST ARTICLE TOMORROW UNLESS THE SAVAGES MADE A NEW SAVAGE JOURNALIST.

Reason: If Earle received a real soma and used it, he's the GF (explaining two mafia kills). If Earle's soma is fake, he will not get two interviews at all.

[FM Monroe]

I wish Two-Face was in Injustice.
How are we directing the escorts to block Hogeboom and Dunn?

It was just in the proposition stage. But would definitely need Phelps' opinion on it first.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post326468

Only way to save Parker is make a plan for me/other escort and Phelps/other escort to block both bus driver claimers while the doc heals Parker.

If Phelps or me do not stick to the plan and parker dies, the missing escort can claim and tell us if Phelps or I am lying. And then we'd have a confirmed consort.

If both phelps and me are escorts, then if the consort blocks anyone else we will also know about it.

However, this plan requires a claim from the article author. It also means the escorts, bus driver and doctor can't be used for anything else (but neither can the consort and kidnapper) and the savages are completely left untouched.

Post 666 *cackle*

[FM Mason]

How will that plan work at all.
What if you both block the same person?
What if one of you is a consort and the hidden escort blocks the same person as the other escort?

[FM Monroe]

THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE JOURNALIST ARTICLE TOMORROW UNLESS THE SAVAGES MADE A NEW SAVAGE JOURNALIST.

Reason: If Earle received a real soma and used it, he's the GF (explaining two mafia kills). If Earle's soma is fake, he will not get two interviews at all.

What about Earle's soma was fake and he got converted into savage journalist? Then there would be 2 articles.

[FM Monroe]

How will that plan work at all.
What if you both block the same person?
What if one of you is a consort and the hidden escort blocks the same person as the other escort?

It's explained in my post. Then the 3rd roleblocker can confirm who the consort is.

Although mafia could also false claim 2nd escort to keep it a 50% chance. Hadn't thought about that.

[FM Kalou]

Parker, i hope you are leeping track of those that have not made comments on buch being mafia. Or protecting him.

Ryan and monroe


Take note.

And i didnt write the interview and am not delta

[FM Parker]

How will that plan work at all.
What if you both block the same person?
What if one of you is a consort and the hidden escort blocks the same person as the other escort?

All actions would be directed. If someone fucked up, they'd be outed as scum. Busses cannot mess up roleblockers.

So Monroe blocks Dunn.
Phelps blocks Hogeboom.
Doctor on Parker.

With all actions specified... the two outed roleblockers shouldn't visit the same person with appropriate direction.

[FM Mason]

All actions would be directed. If someone fucked up, they'd be outed as scum. Busses cannot mess up roleblockers.

So Monroe blocks Dunn.
Phelps blocks Hogeboom.
Doctor on Parker.

With all actions specified... the two outed roleblockers shouldn't visit the same person with appropriate direction.

okay then!

[FM Parker]

What about Earle's soma was fake and he got converted into savage journalist? Then there would be 2 articles.

Right but if Earle's soma is fake then Buchwalter is scum. The soma being in Earle's possession wouldn't cause two articles in and of itself because if Earle's soma was real, he's the Godfather.

If the savages do hit Earle, it's more likely he's the real journalist. They'd do a plain recruit.

Then, the recipient of the next interview would just have to stay quiet until Earle outed them as interviewed.

[FM Phelps]

Had an iventful day in real life. Still ctching up. I am at page 36 by now but there is already enough information to justify my vote change

-vote FM Buchwalter

Yes, i blocked FM Hugeboom N4 and i didn't reveal him because i thought he is Bus driver. The only person who pushed me to reveal him was Cafarelli outing another TPR. Don't forget that if i should die tonight.

[FM Mason]

But now he's at L-2 already!

[FM Monroe]

All actions would be directed. If someone fucked up, they'd be outed as scum. Busses cannot mess up roleblockers.

So Monroe blocks Dunn.
Phelps blocks Hogeboom.
Doctor on Parker.

With all actions specified... the two outed roleblockers shouldn't visit the same person with appropriate direction.

I would rather turn it around, because Phelps has (supposedly) already blocked Hogeboom and the two could be lying to cover for each other. Hogeboom did explicitly praise Phelps in his claim post and it took a few posts to show him the flaw in his logic for doing so.

I would also not be surprised if Carruthers and Dunn are mafia together. And that Dunn actually is a mere drug dealer that can be missed by the mafia.

If Cafarelli is investigator, there's an explanation for the lack of feedback block drugs on night 4. The mafia would probably have attempted a double blackmail again after Colmyer's death. Would be nice if FM GM answered our questions.

[FM Ryan]

Shouldn't we use Bus Driver to prevent savages from recruiting someone? Thanks to those switches, Mafia already hit down 2 savages. Is it really ok to roleblock both of then? I'm ok with Monroe roleblocking Dunn, but Hogeboom? He already claimed himself, so he should switch out someone else, like Monroe or Mason.

[FM Parker]

Do not put Buchwalter at L-1.

Phelps, set your page view to 50. It will make reading much faster.


If Phelps gets set to L-1 while I am out, this MUST be the plan for the protective roles. If the mafia shoots me, we are in a crap load of trouble.

Phelps roleblocks Hogeboom again.
Monroe roleblocks Dunn.
Doctor on Parker.

Person who received soma TODAY, uses it. I know they aren't a delta.

[FM Monroe]

Right but if Earle's soma is fake then Buchwalter is scum. The soma being in Earle's possession wouldn't cause two articles in and of itself because if Earle's soma was real, he's the Godfather.

If the savages do hit Earle, it's more likely he's the real journalist. They'd do a plain recruit.

Then, the recipient of the next interview would just have to stay quiet until Earle outed them as interviewed.

I was just thinking that so many people are looking like scum, maybe the mafia and savages are trying to get each other lynched today.

[FM Parker]

Shouldn't we use Bus Driver to prevent savages from recruiting someone? Thanks to those switches, Mafia already hit down 2 savages. Is it really ok to roleblock both of then? I'm ok with Monroe roleblocking Dunn, but Hogeboom? He already claimed himself, so he should switch out someone else, like Monroe or Mason.

If I am right, the mason clubber (if he exists) can take out Hopegood (not the bus claimer). Both he and Ballard FoSed me yesterday out of nowhere. It might take two swings if Hopgood is savage GF.

[FM Parker]

I was just thinking that so many people are looking like scum, maybe the mafia and savages are trying to get each other lynched today.

This wouldn't surprise me but they are attempting to plant the future seeds. The savages will have to start getting the mafia lynched in the future since they cannot recruit beyond 4 members (two dead savages). Factor in the likely scenario where they failed to recruit me and two have died.... Savages can only recruit two more times, and that's if they tried to convert me and failed. I'm expecting the savages to start killing soon.

[FM Kalou]

Shouldn't we use Bus Driver to prevent savages from recruiting someone? Thanks to those switches, Mafia already hit down 2 savages. Is it really ok to roleblock both of then? I'm ok with Monroe roleblocking Dunn, but Hogeboom? He already claimed himself, so he should switch out someone else, like Monroe or Mason.

Derailing and buddying it looks like to me. Your next on my scum list. Follow the mayors plan

[FM Monroe]

Phelps roleblocks Hogeboom again.
Monroe roleblocks Dunn.
Doctor on Parker.

As I said already, I don't like this.

I would much prefer to block Hogeboom because of his previous connection to Phelps.

And Carruthers' post might suggest that Dunn didn't get interviewed. And if he didn't, then I might end up being a scapegoat because of a worthless block.

[FM Parker]

Fine.

Monroe blocks Hogeboom.
Phelps blocks Dunn.
Doctor on Parker.

[FM Carruthers]

I would also not be surprised if Carruthers and Dunn are mafia together.

Wrong. I may as well just claim.

Coroner.

Bishop (his last will - hinted in the day he died I think, truth will unfold - hoping for coroner to confirm his code)

2) Has Coroner confirmed Bishop's last will yet?

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...767#post320767

Bishop has no last will.

The savage that died, were a Delta.

Night 2 : Gage, Architect - no LW.
Night 3 : Bishop, Detective - no LW.
Night 4 : Becket, Corrupt Journalist, no LW.
Night 5 : Morgan, Savage-> Delta, no LW.

Dafuq is everyone doing, not having LW's?!



I have not received any feedback about bussing, heal/attack and etc.

[FM Parker]

I am suspicious of this coroner claim with no last will.

[FM Monroe]

Bishop should've left one. I can understand why the scum would leave no LW's though.

[FM Carruthers]

I am suspicious of this coroner claim with no last will.

Well, you have my word that there has been no LW's unless it happens to be a host error?

[FM Monroe]

The savage that died, were a Delta.

This is interesting information. It suggests the savage godfather didn't know what the heck he was doing at some point.

It also reminds me of Donnelly.

[FM Parker]

Monroe, are you fine with roleblocking Hogeboom?

Monroe blocks Hogeboom.

Phelps blocks Dunn.

Doctor on Parker.

[FM Monroe]

Monroe, are you fine with roleblocking Hogeboom?

Monroe blocks Hogeboom.

Phelps blocks Dunn.

Doctor on Parker.

I am. I do want the 3rd roleblocker to cooperate as well though, by blocking one of those 2. Preferably Dunn, but it's up to that 3rd roleblocker to decide which of us they trust the most.

[Forum Mafia GM]

CAN ONE SUCIDE DURNING THE DAY? IF SO WHEN WOULD THE ROLE BE REVEALED.

OoO has suicides as the last thing. Role would be revealed begining of day.


I see monroe complaining that we didn't answer questions... what questions are you referring to?

[FM Parker]

I am. I do want the 3rd roleblocker to cooperate as well though, by blocking one of those 2. Preferably Dunn, but it's up to that 3rd roleblocker to decide which of us they trust the most.

That sounds good. That will be the plan then.

[FM Mason]

All of them forever.

[FM Monroe]

If someone breaks the rule not to claim a blackmail, can the mafia blackmail someone else the same night that person loses their role/suicides? Or do they have to wait another night?

[FM Monroe]

Example:
Colmyer got blackmailed night 3
Colmyer dies night 4
Can the mafia blackmail night 4 or not?

[FM Phelps]

Monroe, are you fine with roleblocking Hogeboom?

Monroe blocks Hogeboom.

Phelps blocks Dunn.

Doctor on Parker.

What about the [random any] Aka The Witch?

[FM Parker]

Yes. The mafia would be free to blackmail on night 4. The blackmail terminated when Colmyer revealed it.

[FM Monroe]

What about the [random any] Aka The Witch?

I thought I saw the host saying something about escorts/consorts not being able to be roleblocked, but now that I look at the setup, the OoO says the witch goes first.

Plan won't work then.

[FM Monroe]

escorts/consorts not being able to be witched or bussed

Fixd

[FM Parker]

What about the [random any] Aka The Witch?

The witch wouldn't want to mess with the mayor just yet. Yet there isn't much we can do to counteract the witch.

The witch has to keep in mind that the consigliere and the consort would sell out the witch in a heartbeat to get the upper hand.

The witch would be smarter to eliminate the savages and force them to try and convert a beta.

[Forum Mafia GM]

If someone breaks the rule not to claim a blackmail, can the mafia blackmail someone else the same night that person loses their role/suicides? Or do they have to wait another night?

(replacement host here)
As far as I can tell, Suiciding to blackmail is at the end of the OoO and after that the blackmailer would visit. To respect the only allowed to blackmail 1 person at a time, I don't think he could blackmail someone else until after his target suicided.

I'll get the original hosts to confirm my understanding but that is what I found.

[FM Cafarelli]

I'm also concerned that Ackerman (supposing he's scum) wanted to lynch Dunn if he was indeed the Kidnapper. That would suggest that Buchwalter is more valuable than their kidnapper or Dunn isn't the kidnapper at all.

Why are we still hearing crickets?

Cafarelli, can you answer my question on Post 757?

since i think ackerman is savage, this is obsolete since he doesn't know what dunn is. probably he thinks he is maf like the most of us do

Headed out for 3 hours, but I don't intend to reveal my feedback, until it is used to prove a role either drug dealer and/or power role.

well you claimed it could out me as scum^^ so if it was not a lie you would have all reasons to reveal it

Had an iventful day in real life. Still ctching up. I am at page 36 by now but there is already enough information to justify my vote change

-vote FM Buchwalter

Yes, i blocked FM Hugeboom N4 and i didn't reveal him because i thought he is Bus driver. The only person who pushed me to reveal him was Cafarelli outing another TPR. Don't forget that if i should die tonight.

well how would i know it would out a busdriver? also i only wanted you to claim before monroe confirmed you're consort/escort

Do not put Buchwalter at L-1.

Phelps, set your page view to 50. It will make reading much faster.


If Phelps gets set to L-1 while I am out, this MUST be the plan for the protective roles. If the mafia shoots me, we are in a crap load of trouble.

Phelps roleblocks Hogeboom again.
Monroe roleblocks Dunn.
Doctor on Parker.

Person who received soma TODAY, uses it. I know they aren't a delta.

you could tell us who received soma.
you didn't give soma to me right? because i wouldnt know.

also i still have my doubts into that plan.
drawbacks:
1) the mafia can kill whoever they want today
2) we will definitely lose my investigation tonight
3) i've already pointed out why mayor is not likely to be killed, why do you think they'd do everything just to kill you?
4) as phelps said, the witch could mess up and witch the guy who is supposed to block dunn (because you have to arrange now), then the kidnapper can still go to you

my suggestion:
doc on mayor (or on any other claimed TPR who is likely to tell the truth, to add some WIFOM level)
busdriver on me
monroe on dunn
phelps AND other escort/consort on earle but only if buchwalter flips really town. if not, block anyone apart from TPRs

parker can you agree with that plan? you will definitely survive because of the doc. the only way that the mafia kills you is the kidnapper, but i see more than 80% that dunn is the kidnapper and he will be blocked. additionally they won't use the kidnapper for kills (take me as example) because then it would be easy for us to figure who of them was kidnapper, means he will be instant lynched next day.

[FM Monroe]

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post325889

Edit 1.23 Edit to the order of operations to resolve witch/roleblock/bus driving confusion. Witches are not affected by role blocks or bus drives, and role blocks are not affected by bus drives. In the event of multiple kidnappers or multiple bus drivers, the action that was received first will occur first (within OoO #11 or OoO #12) while processing night actions.

Was the other way around and now I look like a consort. Crap, lol.

Witch can also win with savages Parker. We need to find some other way.

[FM Parker]

Oh I forgot the witch would have to pick to witch one of the escorts that happened to be blocking the kidnapper or magically find the doctor.

Plus, if the doctor is somaed (possibility) he can heal me twice.

[FM Cafarelli]

i don't get why all tpr's reveal now.

[FM Parker]

Yeah that makes planning this much harder. The lynching may move faster but I don't like all the PRs outing.

I am thinking about your plan to out the person who received the soma. I probably should but I'd rather not do anything rash.

I am also worried about the witch in your plan.

I am starting to come around to it but give me a few minutes Caf.

[FM Monroe]

phelps AND other escort/consort on earle but only if buchwalter flips really town. if not, block anyone apart from TPRs

What's the point of this?

If someone got blackmailed last night, the blackmailer is free to kill.

And then Earle gets cleared for not being the killer? Not liking that.

[FM Kalou]

Still here, would like to contribute. I think parkers plan is best, and those arguing with another plan only get more scum points.

[FM Phelps]

Still here, would like to contribute. I think parkers plan is best, and those arguing with another plan only get more scum points.

That's what the witch would say

[Dunn]

Hi. Sorry for my absence.

[FM Kalou]

Or anyone else

[FM Monroe]

Hi. Sorry for my absence.

Have you finished reading the thread up until this point? I'm sure you have much to say.

[FM Phelps]

Hi. Sorry for my absence.

Np, Scum.