Smart town and smart mafia

[Yukitaka Oni]

This is what i do when i play serious:
- As town: focus the mafia first,judge,cultist,neutral killing
Depend on setup, i can change the priority target
- As mafia/traid: tell the invest mafia to discover neutral benign and help them(jester,exe) or just need to tell the survivors,amnesiac to keep vote innocent to everyone to delay the lynch so the town cannot lynch anyone. Of course i can play (truce) with neutral killing by pretend to said i am invest role of the town and i need him to kill mafia (lie him so he kill town) after that i can bait him like a real (traitor) i am (mafia...the lying game anyway)
- anyone have another tip for me?

[Cryptonic]

As Town, your priority should always be the Neutral Killer before the Mafia/Triad. Eliminating the NK lowers the Kills Per Night, which allows more town to survive. Only time Mafia/Triad should be a priority is if Town is about to lose their voting power; in these situations, the NK needs the Town as much as the Town needs the NK. This will still usually result in a Town loss, but it's really their only hope.


If a NK is listening to other player's on who he should kill, then that is pretty sad for the NK lol. If someone was claiming an Investigative role, he would be one of my highest targets as NK. As a Neutral killer, your goal is to keep a balance between Mafia/Triad and Town deaths. You need to have roughly 1 Mafia/Triad die for every 3 Town members that die. That way, they are always a threat to each other; While they focus on each other, they are focusing less on you.

It's hard to give tips for the general game, other than simple mathematical ones that help your odds. Any gambit is really case-by-case and depending on what the setup is and what roles are living in the game.

[thedougler]

As mafia I don't generally cut deals with neutral benign. I usually either threaten any survivors/amnesiacs I find into compliance or tell my teammates to ignore them. What I don't get is a lot of mafia teams that seem to actively work against the exec. If he's trying to take out one townie for you then you have nothing to lose by helping him along. Just be sure he doesn't forget who got his win for him.

[Mentar]

As mafia I don't generally cut deals with neutral benign. I usually either threaten any survivors/amnesiacs I find into compliance or tell my teammates to ignore them.

Threaten a survivor into compliance . I'd just sell you out to town then vest for next few nights.

[BananaCucho]

Threaten a survivor into compliance . I'd just sell you out to town then vest for next few nights.

This is typically what I would do as well, not just as survivor, but as any neutral really, even if they aren't threatening me. Even as neutral evil roles I will actively work against mafia and go for the solo win or team up with neutral killing who has no teammates; too many times have I helped mafia as judge or witch just to be stabbed in the back. Plus it looks good on your resume when you get voted to trial and you've been trying to "help" the town all game.

[Cryptonic]

As mafia, I try to lynch benigns lol. They're not hard to lynch because town doesn't care and you can scare them into thinking they could be bad. A day where town votes a benign is a day were town isn't voting a mafia

[thedougler]

Threaten a survivor into compliance . I'd just sell you out to town then vest for next few nights.

Consig/admin doesn't usually find the neutrals until at least day 4 if it's a moderately long game. By that point it's safe to assume any survivors would have either no or very few vests remaining. Then I shoot him a PM: "vote X if you want to live. Try to fuck us, and we'll kill you if it's the last thing we do." I've never had one of them rat me out. It helps mafia to build a majority coalition a bit earlier and end the game faster.

If it's a Jester, revealing you would lower their own odds of getting lynched. If it's an amnesiac that hasn't converted yet, he generally doesn't give a shit either way. And survivors will usually swallow their pride and go along.

As mafia, I try to lynch benigns lol. They're not hard to lynch because town doesn't care and you can scare them into thinking they could be bad. A day where town votes a benign is a day were town isn't voting a mafia

I see the reasoning here, but if one of you guys has confirmed he's a benign then why not defend him publicly to boost your own credibility? Besides, having a neutral benign who is grateful to you can be far more rewarding than having one who votes with you out of fear.

[Cryptonic]

Consig/admin doesn't usually find the neutrals until at least day 4 if it's a moderately long game. By that point it's safe to assume any survivors would have either no or very few vests remaining. Then I shoot him a PM: "vote X if you want to live. Try to fuck us, and we'll kill you if it's the last thing we do." I've never had one of them rat me out. It helps mafia to build a majority coalition a bit earlier and end the game faster.

If it's a Jester, revealing you would lower their own odds of getting lynched. If it's an amnesiac that hasn't converted yet, he generally doesn't give a shit either way. And survivors will usually swallow their pride and go along.



I see the reasoning here, but if one of you guys has confirmed he's a benign then why not defend him publicly to boost your own credibility? Besides, having a neutral benign who is grateful to you can be far more rewarding than having one who votes with you out of fear.

Mafia always defends benign, because they think they will be a future ally. But that's not confirmed lol.
It's always fun to claim benign on mylo and get the benign lynched lol easier than getting a town lynched

Obviously if it's more beneficial to keep the benign alive, then do so. Always comes down to case-by-case

[Mentar]

Consig/admin doesn't usually find the neutrals until at least day 4 if it's a moderately long game. By that point it's safe to assume any survivors would have either no or very few vests remaining.

Only the silly ones. Dont vest for the 1st 2 nights. your odds of being random shot are quite low. Then vest the next 4 nights. games over.

And survivors will usually swallow their pride and go along.

As someone who usually deliberately sides with mafia at the end of the game as a benign and only ever sides with town if its the only way to win; if you tried to 'blackmail' me into siding with you i would immediately side with town instead and lynch you.

and if for some bizarre reason i actually went along with it, my -lw would be nothing but an explanation of how you were a consig and the pms you sent me on day # were you blackmailing me to side with mafia. I'd also use you as a bargaining chip to get myself off trial if town ever put me up for whatever reason, better to lynch a mafia than a survivor.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Seem like we all have to use different tactics on different setup and luck, also the different (mind) to avoid being caught as a mafia/traid
But as a neutral benign, unless i am survivor. I not usually vote guilty or innocent. As a innocent i just vote innocent to town/mafia so no one have any reason to kill me (but i should use some vest in the few first night in case mafia thought i am town and they think i know something)

[Brendan]

I prefer a more unpredictable strategy as mafia. For town your goal should definitely be to try and reduce the KPN and slow down the game as much as possible. A lynch on another town should be avoided if at all possible. Jailors are one of if not the most powerful town role in an advanced game in my opinion.
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[MasterNinja]

focus getting all the attention from the town and be the top player in "who to target next" if you have succesfully found 1 player during the first day of trial (day 2) and lynch a neutral role or mafia people would keep listening to you.

this would work nomatter what faction you are, its even more fun as jester / exe or survivor.

aslong you can find someone by the way of typing and what they are typing and what sort of topic they get into and who that starts voting etc, on day 2 you just do the most obvious and think of what a regular player with that role would never have said in the game.
one good way is to get urself on trial if you are town, or actually it would work as any role at all. get their attention get urself on trial, explain a bit to them whats best way to win, wich is to trial everyone in general. usually i start by telling to trial only to hear role but not guilty, and try to get as most players on trial during the day as possible. (aslong you claim a ok town role usually sheriff in my case or invest etc and give a last will, be sure to check the role list for what roles thats possible within the town random or that has 2+ of each like 2 town random invest and it has 1-2 town random, you could safely assume a invest role aslong invests wont start dying. then you just change role and hopefully make a ok lookin last will. yeah the last will is usually most crucial part if you wanna survive during the day and gain some trust

if that works out the game is usually a win (very big if you are town) and you would survive ALOT longer, most likely because bodyguard/doctor would heal and or bus driver would help out, etc. and mafia would just think of since he has all attention on him im not risking to attack him.