Day 4

[FM Mason]

Very nice.

I'm here! Where's the other roleblock and blackmailed people, Bush?

[FM Buchwalter]

Hopefully Biggs will talk before you have to use that though.

I'm here! Where's the other roleblock and blackmailed people, Bush?

What roleblock and blackmailed people?

[FM Mendez]

I'm here! Where's the other roleblock and blackmailed people, Bush?

I havent seen a third roleblock claim and nothing that seems too much like a blackmail. Probably holding off until tomorrow to complete it.

[FM Mason]

Hopefully Biggs will talk before you have to use that though.



What roleblock and blackmailed people?

Why isn't anyone blackmailed and why are there only 2 roleblocks and why are there only two bus drivers.
You're failing me Bush! I expected full detailed reports!

[FM Buchwalter]

Why isn't anyone blackmailed and why are there only 2 roleblocks and why are there only two bus drivers.
You're failing me Bush! I expected full detailed reports!

If you want I can just make something up, and add a few names till it is an even number if that is what you want.

[FM Mason]

If you want I can just make something up, and add a few names till it is an even number if that is what you want.

yes

[FM Phelps]

Did FM Biggs already roleclaim? Now would be a good time for it. Don't hammer him too quickly we still have 9 hours left.

[FM Parker]

Earle is right.

-Elect FM Cohen Arsonist of the Year

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Parker I only have an hour or so -
Why do you think Hopgood suspects you?

My guess is that he FoSed me because I asked him questions. He can clarify otherwise.

[FM Mendez]

My guess is that he FoSed me because I asked him questions. He can clarify otherwise.

Hmm... This... Is... Interesting...
Sad to see Colymyer go. I believed him
I had no ideas he was arson, I did it for the lulz
This game need some lulz from there and then
Otherwise it would just be 100 percent all hardcore serious players
Sometimes a good lulz will help us like the dead arson

-vote FM Parker

This guy seemed scummy in my book

The post in question.

[FM Parker]

We should probably start to narrow down the suspects for tomorrow with the time we have left.

The group appears to have given serious consideration to (in no particular order):

Galletta
Lichtmann
Ryan

Supposing we lynch Biggs today, should we go for one of them tomorrow or should we pressure an active lurker?

[FM Mendez]

Phelps is the only person with a vote still on Galletta. I don't see any scumtells from her besides the English blackmail connection? Hard to tell with all the lurking though. I think Lichtmann or Ryan will be the best lynch for tomorrow, depending on circumstances/new information ofc.

I am disappointed that Cafarelli, who claimed Invest, is now withholding information she finds interesting.

[FM Phelps]

We should probably start to narrow down the suspects for tomorrow with the time we have left.

The group appears to have given serious consideration to (in no particular order):

Galletta
Lichtmann
Ryan

Supposing we lynch Biggs today, should we go for one of them tomorrow or should we pressure an active lurker?

We can't decide that yet. We have to wait for tomorrow.

The thing is i don't think Biggs is scum. So why should i vote somebody who i think is town? That's a bit retarded. I am quite sure you guys don't need my vote to lynch him anyway. So what's your problem Mendezz?

[FM Phelps]

Cafarelli is probably a savage by now and i bet some weird Blacksmith gave her a vest so the Masons can't club her....

[FM Buchwalter]

We can't decide that yet. We have to wait for tomorrow.

The thing is i don't think Biggs is scum. So why should i vote somebody who i think is town? That's a bit retarded. I am quite sure you guys don't need my vote to lynch him anyway. So what's your problem Mendezz?

I agree. I'm just hoping Biggs gets on so we can defend him self, one mislynch is one too many.

[FM Mendez]

We can't decide that yet. We have to wait for tomorrow.

The thing is i don't think Biggs is scum. So why should i vote somebody who i think is town? That's a bit retarded. I am quite sure you guys don't need my vote to lynch him anyway. So what's your problem Mendezz?

I think hes scum, you protecting him makes me think you are scum trying to keep your friend alive. We don't need the vote, I just find it strange. You aren't the only one doing it though. Hopgood and Biggs as well.

Cafarelli did say yesterday that he had received armor. So that is a good point, but masons would know and just reclub her again tonight.

[FM Phelps]

I am not protecting him. I protect common sense.

[FM Biggs]

Well, I'm not sure what else I can say to defend myself. I don't think you'll like my role claim. I'm will only online for a few minutes. I should be able to log back on 15 minutes before day end.

[FM Black]

Just be careful with voting. Its too early to hammer.

[FM Buchwalter]

Well, I'm not sure what else I can say to defend myself. I don't think you'll like my role claim. I'm will only online for a few minutes. I should be able to log back on 15 minutes before day end.

You will be back 15 minutes before day end? Really? My vote is staying on you then, if your really do not have the time to defend your self before I leave. I'm unable to be here the last few hours of the each day cause of work.

This to me seems like just a bad attempt making people not hammer you, and then hoping you can get them to forget to vote you when the timer is ticking.

[FM Biggs]

Seeing as you don't like my offer of coming back 15 minutes before day end, I shall claim my role then.
I have been under these time constraints every weekday.
I am a [color=#00ff00]Delta[\color], believe it or not. I'm sure you'll be asking why a witch a delta twice, frankly I have no idea. As I said before, I was wondering the exact same thing.

[FM Carruthers]

Well, I'm not sure what else I can say to defend myself.
I don't think you'll like my role claim. I'm will only online for a few minutes.
I should be able to log back on 15 minutes before day end.

I don't know why, but this cries more Jester then anything.

[FM Mendez]

I am not protecting him. I protect common sense.

I have no Fos against you yet. Depends how Biggs flips before I have a good opinion.

[FM Biggs]

Seeing as you don't like my offer of coming back 15 minutes before day end, I shall claim my role then.
I have been under these time constraints every weekday.
I am a [color=#00ff00]Delta[\color], believe it or not. I'm sure you'll be asking why a witch a delta twice, frankly I have no idea. As I said before, I was wondering the exact same thing.

Damn, disappointed with my BBcode skill.

[FM Buchwalter]

[QUOTE=FM Biggs;324379]Seeing as you don't like my offer of coming back 15 minutes before day end, I shall claim my role then.
I have been under these time constraints every weekday.
I am a Delta, believe it or not. I'm sure you'll be asking why a witch a delta twice, frankly I have no idea. As I said before, I was wondering the exact same thing.[/QUOTE

Maybe the Witch saw something happen to the target she send you to.

As for being Delta, I think we all had figured you would say that. Being Delta sadly mean that you are not a big lose if we do lynch you.

You could however also have been recruited by the Savage Godfather, and really is not a Delta anymore.

[FM Parker]

The post in question.

The post you quoted reads that he FoSed me for being too serious. That makes no sense though.

Regarding Biggs, his latest actions are scummy. Claims delta, then he has to run, but he's giving no hints as to who he thinks is scum. This sounds like "oh crap, I am caught and I cannot come up with a scum list that would be believable." Therefore, play jester. If he is jester, there's likely a mafia or two on the train. I doubt he is though with the amount of defenders he has.

[FM Buchwalter]

Feedback Claims:

• Godfather
  
  1. killed Morgan
• Escort / Consort
  
  1. blocked Donnelly
  2. blocked Phelps
• Bus Driver / Kidnapper
  
  1. bussed Ackerman
  2. bussed Monroe

Notable Posts:

• Biggs
  
  1. Claim Delta. [#520]
• Buchwalter
  
  1. Day 1 version of this list. [D1 #535]
  2. Day 2 version of this list. [D2 #783]
  3. Day 3 version of this list. [D3 #323]
• Cafarelli
  
  1. Says to have gotten some interesting feedback. [#64]

Lynch Trains:

• Biggs
  
  1. Believed to have faked the witchings. (?)
  2. Been suggested to just lynch him, so if he flip town the Witchings were real.
• Lichtmann
  
  1. Some reason. (?) [#422]
• Monroe
  
  1. On grounds of being a troll. (?)

[FM Parker]

Cafarelli, please reveal your feedback I really think it would benefit for the next few days. If you don't want to, can you at least give a hint?

[FM Cafarelli]

so guys, i'm back. sorry for being absent so long, i didnt expect that. i couldn't read the last 200 posts yet, i will try to catch up before the night ends but it's late here unfortunately. i actually tried to reveal my feedback 24h before day end, to see what leads come up without it. i didn't want to conceal it because it's likely he is scum, it's likely that i die and it's unlikely that town has a coroner
fm phelps is Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost
so if he wasn't immune to rb, he is definitely scum and should be blocked again. if he was immune, most likely consort, according to his scummyness

according to what i've read so far and only 2 bd and 2 rb claims, it is likely one of the escorts got the kidnapper, especially if he didn't reveal that he was blocked. maybe escorts who didnt block phelps should block the same guy aswell

[FM Rose]

No one has been acting like they have been blackmailed today so i suppose that phelps could be the blackmailer.
I still think we should lynch biggs today and look at phelps tomorrow.

[FM Black]

No one has been acting like they have been blackmailed today so i suppose that phelps could be the blackmailer.
I still think we should lynch biggs today and look at phelps tomorrow.

*presses like button*

[FM Phelps]

so guys, i'm back. sorry for being absent so long, i didnt expect that. i couldn't read the last 200 posts yet, i will try to catch up before the night ends but it's late here unfortunately. i actually tried to reveal my feedback 24h before day end, to see what leads come up without it. i didn't want to conceal it because it's likely he is scum, it's likely that i die and it's unlikely that town has a coroner
fm phelps is Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost
so if he wasn't immune to rb, he is definitely scum and should be blocked again. if he was immune, most likely consort, according to his scummyness

according to what i've read so far and only 2 bd and 2 rb claims, it is likely one of the escorts got the kidnapper, especially if he didn't reveal that he was blocked. maybe escorts who didnt block phelps should block the same guy aswell

If you really think i would be scum you would have revealed that a lot sooner. Therefore i suspect that you really think that i am town and you are either a savage or mafia. I can't follow your logic if you are really town you would have revealed that at the start of the day and not near the end. You were afk almost the whole day. Why did you change your playstyle all of a sudden?

[FM Phelps]

I need protection tonight.

[FM Ballard]

I am not protecting him. I protect common sense.

Did FM Biggs already roleclaim? Now would be a good time for it. Don't hammer him too quickly we still have 9 hours left.

Phelps is indeed the champion of common sense.

[FM Phelps]

Phelps is indeed the champion of common sense.

Course i am! ;)

[FM Ballard]

Course i am! ;)

Why do you feel you need protection tonight?
Why do you feel you need to announce it?
Do you think you'll be protected tonight?
If so, why? If not, why not?
Furthermore, do you think you're more likely to be healed,bussed, or vested in terms of protection?
Cop out answers not welcome!

oh what's that? You had free time? Not anymore
Quack. Quack. Quack.

[FM Phelps]

Why do you feel you need protection tonight?
Why do you feel you need to announce it?
Do you think you'll be protected tonight?
If so, why? If not, why not?
Furthermore, do you think you're more likely to be healed,bussed, or vested in terms of protection?
Cop out answers not welcome!

oh what's that? You had free time? Not anymore
Quack. Quack. Quack.

I am fine with WIFOM protection.
WIFOM
No idea
No idea i can't see in the heads of others ;)
WIFOM

[FM Parker]

so guys, i'm back. sorry for being absent so long, i didnt expect that. i couldn't read the last 200 posts yet, i will try to catch up before the night ends but it's late here unfortunately. i actually tried to reveal my feedback 24h before day end, to see what leads come up without it. i didn't want to conceal it because it's likely he is scum, it's likely that i die and it's unlikely that town has a coroner
fm phelps is Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost
so if he wasn't immune to rb, he is definitely scum and should be blocked again. if he was immune, most likely consort, according to his scummyness

according to what i've read so far and only 2 bd and 2 rb claims, it is likely one of the escorts got the kidnapper, especially if he didn't reveal that he was blocked. maybe escorts who didnt block phelps should block the same guy aswell

Carafelli, I am listening to you but I think it's too late to derail and change topics. Plus your feedback revelation needs a bit of discussion. Perhaps it is my mistrust of you, but why did you wait to reveal that for so long? Also, are you sure you were not drug dealt? Phelps has been a relatively logical contributor. Then again, scum have been here and Phelps is attempting to derail the Biggs train which would give us information. I'm not sure but a little explanation from both parties makes sense.

Phelps, if you do indeed match the pairing, you should tell us why you targeted each target and why.

[FM Galloway]

I don't make sense of what all is going on here. Cafarelli is sitting here with this important information and just now he is giving it off? It seems so much like he got turned into a savage investigator and Biggs is his Savage Godfather and Cafarelli is trying to switch this train around. I'm not buying it if thats the case.

-vote FM Biggs

[FM Mendez]

so guys, i'm back. sorry for being absent so long, i didnt expect that. i couldn't read the last 200 posts yet, i will try to catch up before the night ends but it's late here unfortunately. i actually tried to reveal my feedback 24h before day end, to see what leads come up without it. i didn't want to conceal it because it's likely he is scum, it's likely that i die and it's unlikely that town has a coroner
fm phelps is Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost
so if he wasn't immune to rb, he is definitely scum and should be blocked again. if he was immune, most likely consort, according to his scummyness

according to what i've read so far and only 2 bd and 2 rb claims, it is likely one of the escorts got the kidnapper, especially if he didn't reveal that he was blocked. maybe escorts who didnt block phelps should block the same guy aswell

That is interesting feedback. Curious why you waited so long to post it. I suspect it is to try and halt the lynch on Biggs.

Finding out if he is BM or Consort/Escort should be easy. We pressure him tomorrow to see who he roleblocked tonight, if he is confirmed, we know the player he chose is either
A) Another Mafia trying to protect him
B) Actually roleblocked, confirms he is Escort or Consort
C) Doesn't confirm roleblock, he is blackmailer
D) Doesn't confirm roleblock, he targeted a scum who is trying to get him lynched

If you are blackmailed, you do not have to do your action until the second day. So, we don't have to worry about blackmails confusing this.

[FM Phelps]

I suggest the Journalist comes to visit me tonight.
That's what he is good for anyways. Last will compensation.
I don't intended to derail the lynch train. I just stated that my vote is not needed and i think Biggs is town

Phelps is the only person with a vote still on Galletta. I don't see any scumtells from her besides the English blackmail connection? Hard to tell with all the lurking though. I think Lichtmann or Ryan will be the best lynch for tomorrow, depending on circumstances/new information ofc.

I am disappointed that Cafarelli, who claimed Invest, is now withholding information she finds interesting.

FM Mendezz brought that argument up not me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[FM Mason]

I wish bush had made a list for me

[FM Parker]

That is interesting feedback. Curious why you waited so long to post it. I suspect it is to try and halt the lynch on Biggs.

Finding out if he is BM or Consort/Escort should be easy. We pressure him tomorrow to see who he roleblocked tonight, if he is confirmed, we know the player he chose is either
A) Another Mafia trying to protect him
B) Actually roleblocked, confirms he is Escort or Consort
C) Doesn't confirm roleblock, he is blackmailer
D) Doesn't confirm roleblock, he targeted a scum who is trying to get him lynched

If you are blackmailed, you do not have to do your action until the second day. So, we don't have to worry about blackmails confusing this.

I like this plan Mendez. It's a simple plan, but the problem is what about drug dealers and kidnappers? Does your plan account for those?

Having Biggs be the Savage Godfather makes sense as well. It is in the same pairing as the Deltas. It also allows for my theory that the witching is communication between the savages as well. If Cafarelli is a savage investigator though then we do not have a clubber or Cafarelli withheld bussing on Day 3.

[FM Galloway]

It doesn't however I see that its simplicity would out anyone trying to pass off Phelps as scum by feedback revealing. From what I see however.

[FM Phelps]

I like this plan Mendez. It's a simple plan, but the problem is what about drug dealers and kidnappers? Does your plan account for those?

Having Biggs be the Savage Godfather makes sense as well. It is in the same pairing as the Deltas. It also allows for my theory that the witching is communication between the savages as well. If Cafarelli is a savage investigator though then we do not have a clubber or Cafarelli withheld bussing on Day 3.

You forget that we have an almost confirmed black smith in this (Mckelty). It's likely that the smith gave Cafarelli one or more vests. Clubbing is an attack and vests protect against it. So if you are a clubber and you attacked someone what would you do? Reveal at day - or - giving Soma to a high likely town member with a message? Or would you just club him against the next night? What would you do?
Vests don't protect against culting by the way.

[FM Phelps]

Well apparently i don't even need WIFOM protection. Cafarelli made me invincible for tonight. I should be thankful i guess.

[FM Parker]

You forget that we have an almost confirmed black smith in this (Mckelty). It's likely that the smith gave Cafarelli one or more vests. Clubbing is an attack and vests protect against it. So if you are a clubber and you attacked someone what would you do? Reveal at day - or - giving Soma to a high likely town member with a message? Or would you just club him against the next night? What would you do?
Vests don't protect against culting by the way.

I am not so sure on this. If we did have a nearly confirmed blacksmith, why is no one outing that they received anything? Even if they did, why did they give all the vests to Cafarelli? Then, why did she withhold? Wouldn't a bus driver have impacted one? I think Cafarelli was bussed but I cannot remember.

If any of us get the journalist message, we should put in big letters not to reveal roleblocked until midday. By that point, Phelps should have revealed who is roleblocked.

[FM Mendez]

I also don't think we should NOT assume it was the kidnapper that was roleblocked. The Bus Driver would refrain from revealing the roleblock because he would become a target if he revealed he was roleblocked. If it was the consort that blocked the BD then we will find him in the graveyard most likely.

I do suspect that one of them (kidnap/bd) was roleblocked and revealing them would be a 50% chance of finding scum. Those chances are too low for my liking, especially with a power role. The escort may think differently than I though.


@Parker, No I didn't account for that. but I doubt that the bus driver will drive a suspected scum like Phelps. So him claiming bussed would be enough to get my vote.

What drug do you think could be used to confuse it? A drugged roleblock would just give town an uneven amount of roleblocks. I will have to think about it.

I definitely agree about not revealing roleblocks.

[FM Parker]

I also don't think we should NOT assume it was the kidnapper that was roleblocked. The Bus Driver would refrain from revealing the roleblock because he would become a target if he revealed he was roleblocked. If it was the consort that blocked the BD then we will find him in the graveyard most likely.

I do suspect that one of them (kidnap/bd) was roleblocked and revealing them would be a 50% chance of finding scum. Those chances are too low for my liking, especially with a power role. The escort may think differently than I though.

That would explain why we have two roleblocks instead of three.

@Parker, No I didn't account for that. but I doubt that the bus driver will drive a suspected scum like Phelps. So him claiming bussed would be enough to get my vote.

What drug do you think could be used to confuse it? A drugged roleblock would just give town an uneven amount of roleblocks. I will have to think about it.

I definitely agree about not revealing roleblocks.

Yes, we would have an uneven amount of roleblocks but no one would know whether their roleblock was faked. Your plan is an excellent idea and would be perfect with a detective and lookout IMO. However we may have neither. Any plan to account for them would require too many people acting simultaneously.

Phelps, can you reveal all you have previously roleblocked? That might be more enlightening as to your alignment. If you roleblocked someone who failed to claim today, just say that as we don't want to out a hypothetical bus driver.

[FM Cafarelli]

at first i wanted to wait what leads you bring up and how discussion will develop without the 'PR sheeping' then, day end -24h, i wanted but had unexpectedly no possibility to post it.

and mendez, it's not so easy because any mafia knows who the consort blocks. the only way to find out what he is, is the escort that blocked him. just block him again, the escort doesnt even need to reveal. we will know that the escort keeps blocking him if there won't be bms anymore

[FM Cafarelli]

if you didn't notice it yet, i don't want to lynch phelps yet, i want escort to take care of him ;)