Day 4

[FM Lichtmann]

2 jesters? Are you really hinting at being a jester here? Why would you say such a thing if you were town, or who else do you think is a jester?

derp. i was thinking back to somethign diffrent. i cant devauge it without it breakign rules. but what i ment was that we are missing a hidden epselon and that form your post you were acting like it. really only i would be a person to do something like 2 jesters in a big game like this. i think that your jester like play means something important but its indcicive

[FM Chapman]

His lack of helpful activity for the most part. He's just not posting a lot. He's not contributing theories or thoughts at all. That combined with an unlikely witch claim makes him possible scum. The fact that a lynch would provide something helpful for town makes me feel like an acceptable risk.

Are you specifically opposed to a lynch on Lichtmann?

[FM Lichtmann]

sadly i have to go for the night i might be able to hop on and glance at new posts but for the most part i will be out.

[FM Parker]

Are you specifically opposed to a lynch on Lichtmann?

@Chapman, No I am not. However, one of my prime scum targets (Galleta) is voting up Lichtmann so I'd seriously wonder if I was making a mistake. Also, if we are wrong on Lichtmann, we gain nothing.

Are you specifically opposed to a lynch on Biggs, if so why?

@Lichtmann, what rule would you be breaking if you revealed your two jester theory? Also, your two jester theory is inconsistent with a witch... and therefore means you should at least pressure Biggs for lying.

[FM Ackerman]

Maybe i missed it but what was the Consiglieres results for last night? She neglected to post them?

[FM Parker]

Maybe i missed it but what was the Consiglieres results for last night? She neglected to post them?

You are supposing Cafarelli is the consigliere. It's possible but uncertain. He's withholding for reasons unknown atm.

[FM Ackerman]

You are supposing Cafarelli is the consigliere. It's possible but uncertain. He's withholding for reasons unknown atm.

Supposing? It's confirmed, if she was legit invest when we went to kill her for savage and could not have a doc on her she would have been killed by the mafia who having drugged her for no feedback would know she was telling the truth.

[Dunn]

Supposing? It's confirmed, if she was legit invest when we went to kill her for savage and could not have a doc on her she would have been killed by the mafia who having drugged her for no feedback would know she was telling the truth.

Idk how to read this. You're welcome btw..

[FM Chapman]

@Chapman, No I am not. However, one of my prime scum targets (Galleta) is voting up Lichtmann so I'd seriously wonder if I was making a mistake. Also, if we are wrong on Lichtmann, we gain nothing.

Are you specifically opposed to a lynch on Biggs, if so why?

@Lichtmann, what rule would you be breaking if you revealed your two jester theory? Also, your two jester theory is inconsistent with a witch... and therefore means you should at least pressure Biggs for lying.

I don't think Biggs is scum at the moment. I get that he's lurking, but I haven't seen nearly as many scumtells from him as from Lichtmann. I think Lichtmann has a much higher chance of being scum. That said, if it looks like Biggs needs my vote to lynch him, I'll be glad to add it.

What would you think about lynching Lichtmann today and Biggs tomorrow if there isn't any witch feedback?

[FM Ackerman]

Idk how to read this. You're welcome btw..

Bah make me spend time on elementary logic.

Day 2 Caraf claims invest leaves 3 possibilities
#1 Caraf is Consig
#2 Caraf is Savage
#3 Caraf is Invest

Lets explore one at a time.
#1 Caraf is consig.

Caraf sees the invest was interviews and would like to make her look scum. Reveals role claims drugged to confirm as town and provides feedback.

Possible? yes. Plausible? Very.

#2 Caraf is savage

Caraf is converted as invest n1, claims drugged to confirm as town and provides feedback
We agree to send masons after caraf. Doc vists caraf anyways.
Caraf survives.

Possible? Yes, Plausible? No, doc would have to have to go against town wishes.

#3 Caraf is invest.

Caraf has always been invest, was legit drugged n1 (unlikely). Caraf claims invest to show the true scum to the journalist.
Caraf is seen as savage we agree to send masons and no doc.
Caraf is confirmed invest to the mafia. They do not kill caraf.

Possible? Yes. Plausible? No, mafia would have to have downs.

[FM Parker]

Supposing? It's confirmed, if she was legit invest when we went to kill her for savage and could not have a doc on her she would have been killed by the mafia who having drugged her for no feedback would know she was telling the truth.

I'm trying to clarify this. Cafarelli is scum because you are supposing

1) No doctor was on Cafarelli.
2) Scum would have killed her, while a clubber was on her.

I disagree. The mafia greatly benefits by reduced bodies in the game. You are also supposing a clubber when only two of the three alphas are certain in the game. If the mafia suspected that Cafarelli was indeed a savage, they might have assumed to let the town handle it. However, if he's not attacked soon, I will get suspicious.

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If there's no witched feedback, it's more likely Biggs is scum so the order should be reversed. I'm not certain either way on Lichtmann. Can you please post what you believe are his scumtells?

If there is witched feedback, then lynching someone else might be a better idea. I'd prefer Galletta but I could be convinced on Lichtmann.

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Responding to your elementary logic in the next post, Ackerman.

[FM Ackerman]

I'm trying to clarify this. Cafarelli is scum because you are supposing

1) No doctor was on Cafarelli.
2) Scum would have killed her, while a clubber was on her.

I disagree. The mafia greatly benefits by reduced bodies in the game. You are also supposing a clubber when only two of the three alphas are certain in the game. If the mafia suspected that Cafarelli was indeed a savage, they might have assumed to let the town handle it. However, if he's not attacked soon, I will get suspicious.

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If there's no witched feedback, it's more likely Biggs is scum so the order should be reversed. I'm not certain either way on Lichtmann. Can you please post what you believe are his scumtells?

If there is witched feedback, then lynching someone else might be a better idea. I'd prefer Galletta but I could be convinced on Lichtmann.

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Responding to your elementary logic in the next post, Ackerman.

Only way for that to be possible? Mayor please reveal, to save her.

[FM Mendez]

Biggs - Claimed Witched the first two nights. I suspect he is some kind of role that can cause feedback and the Witch retargeted him to confirm. I suspect he is escort/consort/bus/kidnapper. It could be possible that he is the Godfather but I doubt he would reveal he was witched in that case. He does a lot of sheeping and useless posts and active lurking. Cohens plan was to get scum attention and ally with them for sure. Later on, before dying he says he thinks Biggs is 100% scum. Probably because he assumed there was no Witch since he was the evil neutral. Since his plan failed, he decided to screw over the people he was originally trying to ally. Biggs is 75% scum in my eyes. For now, he is our best lynch.

-vote FM Biggs

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Sorry Licht, Don't think I'm tunneling you. You just have more information to go through than Biggs.

like i said, i rely on other peoples reads to form opinions. mine were independent but if you give a read saying they are good or scum for reason x,y,z. and it seems like shit to me i require it to be justified. and yes we have been over it. for the ppast few days your entire fos has been on me.

Basically saying here "I sheep". To me sheeping = trying to blend in

None of what I have relies on buddying, and certainly not my views of who aren't cult.

Here's the rest of my reasoning:
Cult
Earle: Talking a lot about him early in day 3, even when he's not immediately relevant. Monroe outright calls him scum, but doesn't act on it. (I view that as a scumtell)
hes been lurking this i agree with

Galloway: Calling him a good player and a good night kill target over Becket. Sets him up to be a town leader. Immediately lends his voice to calling Ryan scum after Morgan brings it up. Defensive about being called cult with Morgan.
gallow is probally town and as leader he doesnt want to be caust buddying with any evil roles. if you nitice he like to discredit everyone
Monroe: Downplaying Morgan's significance in the game. Morgan calls him town with a fairly bad reasoning.
i already dislike him he plays a lot like a jester but i doubt 2 jester in game

Lichtmann: When asked about him, Morgan gives REALLY bad reads on him, flip flopping all over the place. Calls him scum and says he's really not sure in the same post. Lichtmann seems the most likely out of all these to be cult to me.
im not great on giving reads if you havent noticed. i just take the post of what they say and interprtet it how i can
Buchwalter: Calls Morgan town for good logic, when there really wasn't much of it.
butch has been contibuting by keeping tabs on events and stuff. but i do find it odd hes not dead yet
I couldn't find the rest of why I thought Buch was cult, so put him in the 'kinda' category. Also take Ballard off the list entirely.
that concernrns me. you make a list and then say forget them? for me i find it odd

The reasoning on Monroe just seems scummy. Most players would just ignore a jester when you were on the lynch vote against him. (With me but I didn't think he was a jester)

Not sure why you think Buch is really contributing. I appreciate what he does, it's helpful. But it doesn't add anything to discussion, more of a good reference. Very neutral if you ask me.

You also seem to be extremely concerned about the savages, but I haven't seen any pressuring against the mafia. At least from your posts from today. I would say it's possible that you are Mafia. I doubt that you are a savage.

[FM Ackerman]

Only way for that to be possible? Mayor please reveal, to save her.

Strike that just realized the clubber not being in the game only makes the savage claim possible, so mayor revealing turns confirmed consig to confirmed consig or savage.

[FM Ballard]

Quack! Just got home! Gonna butt in with my input on Biggs vs Lichtmann

I don't think Biggs is scum at the moment. I get that he's lurking, but I haven't seen nearly as many scumtells from him as from Lichtmann. I think Lichtmann has a much higher chance of being scum. That said, if it looks like Biggs needs my vote to lynch him, I'll be glad to add it.

What would you think about lynching Lichtmann today and Biggs tomorrow if there isn't any witch feedback?

I did FoS Lichtmann day one, but that was because his name popped up randomly when I was deciding a random FoS.
Lichtmann is more actively addressing the issues pressed on him than Biggs. While it's not evidence that he's town, it's certainly more Town than lurking. Scumtells....everyone, even town makes them if they post enough. Even Parker has made some. But that's just an unfortunate side effect of other people's ways of thinking mixed with one you are comfortable with. You say Biggs hasn't made as many scumtells, but I bet that's because he's lurking. At the moment, I'm more comfortable with Biggs lynched. Also 2 witch claims lel

[FM Parker]

Lets explore one at a time.
#1 Caraf is consig.

Caraf sees the invest was interviews and would like to make her look scum. Reveals role claims drugged to confirm as town and provides feedback.

Possible? yes. Plausible? Very.

This leaves out the fact that Morgan was very likely drugged to have the same blackmail as Colmyer. While it's unlikely the mafia would hit the investigator day 1, the only person who counterclaimed drug dealer is a lynched liar. So I find it more likely that Cafarelli was telling the truth.

#2 Caraf is savage

Caraf is converted as invest n1, claims drugged to confirm as town and provides feedback
We agree to send masons after caraf. Doc vists caraf anyways.
Caraf survives.

Possible? Yes, Plausible? No, doc would have to have to go against town wishes.

You're forgetting there is no confirmed clubber. We only have two confirmed alphas. That would leave only two out of the three alphas as certainties (mason enforcer, clubber and mayor). However, I do agree that this scenario is unlikely but we shouldn't discount anything possible until disproven.

#3 Caraf is invest.

Caraf has always been invest, was legit drugged n1 (unlikely). Caraf claims invest to show the true scum to the journalist.
Caraf is seen as savage we agree to send masons and no doc.
Caraf is confirmed invest to the mafia. They do not kill caraf.

Possible? Yes. Plausible? No, mafia would have to have downs.

Absolutely not. If the mafia believe that Cafarelli was a savage, then the mafia could have believed the clubber would take care of it and spent their kill getting the maximum deaths possible. If that's the case, Cafarelli's survival turned out to be a big shock for the mafia. I would expect him to die within the next couple days if this is the case.

[FM Parker]

Only way for that to be possible? Mayor please reveal, to save her.

Cafarelli is in little to no danger of being lynched. I find this post inherently suspect. The mayor revealing right now would just put a big bullseye on his back. Bad bad bad idea.

Furthermore, the pregame meta suggests that there is indeed a mayor.

[FM Ackerman]

Absolutely not. If the mafia believe that Cafarelli was a savage, then the mafia could have believed the clubber would take care of it and spent their kill getting the maximum deaths possible. If that's the case, Cafarelli's survival turned out to be a big shock for the mafia. I would expect him to die within the next couple days if this is the case.

Please provide a plausible explanation for this premise. Thank You!

[FM Mendez]

Only way for that to be possible? Mayor please reveal, to save her.

Mayor do not reveal. Ignore Ackerman.


The interview on the investigator was done by the Corrupt Journalist. The real Journalist WOULD have targeted them again to get more investigative results (as I said earlier). Caraf did not reveal to show they were scum, he did to reveal Cohen as a liar.

@Chapman - Why did you explain your reasoning of savage on everyone except for me? I feel singled out


Also guys lets not overlook FM Ryan.

[FM Parker]

Please provide a plausible explanation for this premise. Thank You!

Basically, what if the town weren't the only ones thinking she was a savage yesterday? Keep in mind, the mafia's actions are not based on what they knew today but what they knew then. This is plausible because Cafarelli would have been converted at night 0, picked a lurker as a delta when pressured on who she investigated, and then picked cohen to investigate to lead her lynch train. None of that is inconsistent with a savage investigator.

Plus, the mafia can essentially kill an investigator whenever they want to. That's the frightening part. If Cafarelli lives longer than a couple of days, I'd recommend lynching him.

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@Mendez, we should not overlook Ryan, Galletta, and Lichtmann after today. The fact their names have been pressured so much throughout this thread should give them a hint of pressure to respond to the collective group allegations.

[FM Ballard]

I'm actually in support of just straight-up changing the train to Ryan. It's not too late, and I think he's far more safe than either Licht/Biggs.

[FM Chapman]

The Lichtmann case:
-lurkey and uncontributey all game long
-today, asks people to make him contribute
-I ask him his opinions of the list of people I could see as cult
-he refuses
-his justification? I'm lurking...
-I call him out for that nonsense
-he responds by discrediting me and ignoring the questions at hand
-this goes on for a few hours
-the whole time he's hard buddying with Galloway
-he then starts to call me mafia because my list has to do with cult
-he calls my logic on who is cult stupid, later admitting to not having read it and not justifying the statement
-he says cult is not as big a threat as mafia
-I call him out on that
-he respond with a whiney post that screams scum trying to get pity points
-he finally addresses my list with some halfassed reads
-when he addresses my actual rationale, he slips and says there's two jesters

[FM Mendez]

Basically, what if the town weren't the only ones thinking she was a savage yesterday? Keep in mind, the mafia's actions are not based on what they knew today but what they knew then. This is plausible because Cafarelli would have been converted at night 0, picked a lurker as a delta when pressured on who she investigated, and then picked cohen to investigate to lead her lynch train. None of that is inconsistent with a savage investigator.

Plus, the mafia can essentially kill an investigator whenever they want to. That's the frightening part. If Cafarelli lives longer than a couple of days, I'd recommend lynching him.

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@Mendez, we should not overlook Ryan, Galletta, and Lichtmann after today. The fact their names have been pressured so much throughout this thread should give them a hint of pressure to respond to the collective group allegations.

The only pressure on Galletta is the english blackmail and lurking? Is there anything i'm missing?

@Ballard, I think Biggs and Ryan are about the same. What read do you have on Ryan?

[FM Ballard]

The Lichtmann case:
-lurkey and uncontributey all game long
-today, asks people to make him contribute
-I ask him his opinions of the list of people I could see as cult
-he refuses
-his justification? I'm lurking...
-I call him out for that nonsense
-he responds by discrediting me and ignoring the questions at hand
-this goes on for a few hours
-the whole time he's hard buddying with Galloway
-he then starts to call me mafia because my list has to do with cult
-he calls my logic on who is cult stupid, later admitting to not having read it and not justifying the statement
-he says cult is not as big a threat as mafia
-I call him out on that
-he respond with a whiney post that screams scum trying to get pity points
-he finally addresses my list with some halfassed reads
-when he addresses my actual rationale, he slips and says there's two jesters

This is a fucking timeline.
Please narrow it down.

[FM Parker]

I'm actually in support of just straight-up changing the train to Ryan. It's not too late, and I think he's far more safe than either Licht/Biggs.

No. We cannot afford to add a third name to this chaos now. As much as I've been harping on Ryan as scum since approximately the end of Day 1, adding Ryan would cause too much chaos.

We can pick between Ryan/Galletta/Lichtmann tomorrow. I agree with Ballard. Go back include post numbers so we can see what's scummy and interpret that for ourselves.

[FM Ackerman]

[QUOTE=FM Parker;324130]Basically, what if the town weren't the only ones thinking she was a savage yesterday? Keep in mind, the mafia's actions are not based on what they knew today but what they knew then. This is plausible because Cafarelli would have been converted at night 0, picked a lurker as a delta when pressured on who she investigated, and then picked cohen to investigate to lead her lynch train. None of that is inconsistent with a savage investigator.

Plus, the mafia can essentially kill an investigator whenever they want to. That's the frightening part. If Cafarelli lives longer than a couple of days, I'd recommend lynching him.
[QUOTE]
You forgot the reason she gave for no n1 lead. She was either drugged, or converted. Mafia knew whether she was drugged.

And mafia can't kill an investigator whenever, they have to worry about the doc.

I agree though leaving her for now is swell, she isn't hurting us atm, but any day we don't have a lynch target we should hammer her.

[FM Ballard]

The only pressure on Galletta is the english blackmail and lurking? Is there anything i'm missing?

@Ballard, I think Biggs and Ryan are about the same. What read do you have on Ryan?

Typical lurky Mafia read. Posts to not get replaced. Makes shit posts like "I did not read X, but I read Y. lolk goodbye for the day"
Says he reads stuff, brings nothing other than the fact that he's broadcasting that he read stuff. Provides no reason for joining the train other than joining the train. I see this as scum trying to look like an active participant via fake contributing. The reason I don't think he's cult is because he's been doing this since the first day. If unsatisfactory, I'll keep looking at his posts. But I've been getting a lurk Maf read on him.

@Parker, It's too late to just change train on Ryan, but we can definitely make him talk today. We can and should add his name today while we wait for Licht/Biggs

[FM Chapman]

Mayor do not reveal. Ignore Ackerman.


The interview on the investigator was done by the Corrupt Journalist. The real Journalist WOULD have targeted them again to get more investigative results (as I said earlier). Caraf did not reveal to show they were scum, he did to reveal Cohen as a liar.

@Chapman - Why did you explain your reasoning of savage on everyone except for me? I feel singled out


Also guys lets not overlook FM Ryan.

He gave a read calling you likely to be scum but didn't pressure you or vote you. You also didn't react to that, instead asking him questions about other players.

[FM Hopgood]

Checking in, need me for anything, ill try to answer some quick questions before i zzzz

[FM Ackerman]

He gave a read calling you likely to be scum but didn't pressure you or vote you. You also didn't react to that, instead asking him questions about other players.

I did this too on caraf.

[FM Ballard]

Checking in, need me for anything, ill try to answer some quick questions before i zzzz

What say you on
Lichtmann vs Biggs
Ryan
Cafarelli

[FM Chapman]

This is a fucking timeline.
Please narrow it down.

This is the narrowed down version...

[FM Parker]

[QUOTE=FM Ackerman;324140][QUOTE=FM Parker;324130]Basically, what if the town weren't the only ones thinking she was a savage yesterday? Keep in mind, the mafia's actions are not based on what they knew today but what they knew then. This is plausible because Cafarelli would have been converted at night 0, picked a lurker as a delta when pressured on who she investigated, and then picked cohen to investigate to lead her lynch train. None of that is inconsistent with a savage investigator.

Plus, the mafia can essentially kill an investigator whenever they want to. That's the frightening part. If Cafarelli lives longer than a couple of days, I'd recommend lynching him.
[QUOTE]

The scenario I am putting forth that the mafia believed is drugged n1, converted n2, claims day 2. If the mafia believed that, they would let her be clubbed.

I am aware the doctor can heal someone. I'm not explaining how the mafia can essentially kill whoever they want in case the mafia hasn't figured it out yet.

[FM Chapman]

I did this too on caraf.

Then I would have called you cult if caraf flipped cult, and I would have called her cult if you flipped cult. Your point?

[FM Ackerman]

The scenario I am putting forth that the mafia believed is drugged n1, converted n2, claims day 2. If the mafia believed that, they would let her be clubbed.

I am aware the doctor can heal someone. I'm not explaining how the mafia can essentially kill whoever they want in case the mafia hasn't figured it out yet.

How do you explain caraf, knowing she was drugged for no feedback?

[FM Mendez]

[QUOTE=FM Ackerman;324140][QUOTE=FM Parker;324130]Basically, what if the town weren't the only ones thinking she was a savage yesterday? Keep in mind, the mafia's actions are not based on what they knew today but what they knew then. This is plausible because Cafarelli would have been converted at night 0, picked a lurker as a delta when pressured on who she investigated, and then picked cohen to investigate to lead her lynch train. None of that is inconsistent with a savage investigator.

Plus, the mafia can essentially kill an investigator whenever they want to. That's the frightening part. If Cafarelli lives longer than a couple of days, I'd recommend lynching him.

You forgot the reason she gave for no n1 lead. She was either drugged, or converted. Mafia knew whether she was drugged.

And mafia can't kill an investigator whenever, they have to worry about the doc.

I agree though leaving her for now is swell, she isn't hurting us atm, but any day we don't have a lynch target we should hammer her.

Kidnapper?

@Ballard - Thanks

@Chapman - His reasoning was because of lack of posts and bashing my post quality. He knew as well as I he was just trying to get a reaction.

[FM Ackerman]

Then I would have called you cult if caraf flipped cult, and I would have called her cult if you flipped cult. Your point?

She will flip mafia, I guess i am mafia.

[FM Hopgood]

What say you on
Lichtmann vs Biggs
The two guys with most votes and most attention of day 4
Ryan
Seems a little bit scummy
Cafarelli
Probably invest/consig

Sorry for short answer simple answer, on mobile

[FM Ackerman]

Kidnapper?

Point taken, but every day they let her live is another chance they would be exposed, its common sense to kill them early when given the chance.

[FM Chapman]

She will flip mafia, I guess i am mafia.

There should have been a 'potential' in there somewhere. What, pray tell, is your point?

[FM Ballard]

The Lichtmann case:
-lurkey and uncontributey all game long
-today, asks people to make him contribute
-I ask him his opinions of the list of people I could see as cult
-he refuses
-his justification? I'm lurking...
-I call him out for that nonsense
-he responds by discrediting me and ignoring the questions at hand
-this goes on for a few hours
-the whole time he's hard buddying with Galloway
-he then starts to call me mafia because my list has to do with cult
-he calls my logic on who is cult stupid, later admitting to not having read it and not justifying the statement
-he says cult is not as big a threat as mafia
-I call him out on that
-he respond with a whiney post that screams scum trying to get pity points
-he finally addresses my list with some halfassed reads
-when he addresses my actual rationale, he slips and says there's two jesters

^original post
Revising back and forth was a little trippy. Please click on the link to get to the direct quote, as I might have accidentally rewritten something from this post.

(EDITTED BY BALLARD)
The Lichtmann case:
-lurky and uncontributy all game long, asks people to make him contribute
-refuses to give opinion and discredits me
-buddies with galloway
-calls me mafia because my list has to do with cult, and my logic on who's cult sucks
-claims he didn't read
-claims cult isn't as bad as Mafia
-whiney post that screams scum (link to said post please) trying to get pity points
-halfassed reads
-he slips and says there's two jesters

Note that I'm just revising it for aesthetics. I don't necessarily agree what I'm rewriting. Your case makes a strong argument, and I'm more convinced, but I'll wait on Biggs before switching my vote.

[FM Ackerman]

There should have been a 'potential' in there somewhere. What, pray tell, is your point?

That your logic is about as holey as swiss cheese.

[FM Ballard]

Sorry for short answer simple answer, on mobile

I was about to jump on your ass but then I checked your post and you did say "quick questions"...Guess I was unfair to give you open ended questions like that.

When you're on the computer, I want you to re-answer these using more than half of your ass.

[FM Chapman]

Sorry for short answer simple answer, on mobile

Could you give some analysis that isn't garbage? Anyone could take one quick look at the thread and know all of that. Bring something original to the table.

[FM Ballard]

I won't reply as fast as before, I'm going to start my homework now

[FM Parker]

How do you explain caraf, knowing she was drugged for no feedback?

I didn't know per se. I'm assuming what people other than me might have believed, so the logic is weaker. Yet, she could have just been ccing the drugs because of Cohen's claim meaning a DD was in the game. I don't know.

I find the theory that the mafia let Cafarelli live on the off chance she was a savage to get an additional kill rather than taking the sure death. The mafia can just kill Cafarelli later. Which would you take, the certainty of one death, or the certainty of one death and the possibility of the savage investigator dying? I am not surprised at why Cafarelli is still alive if he's an investigator. He won't be for long.

You are right. It is best to move on for now. I do agree, if we run out of suspects, we can turn our focus back to Cafarelli.

[FM Chapman]

IT A [BEEPING] GAME JUST ENJOY IT IF HE BECOMES SAVAGE THEN WELL THATS HOW THE GAME GOES!

I DON'T GET WHY SOME PEOPLE GET SO INVOLVED IN THIS [BEEP]ING [BEEP] SOMETIMES.

This is the post you asked for Ballard.

Are you saying in your post that you think my logic is bad or that just Lichtmann thinks that? If its the former, justify that please.

[FM Ballard]

This is the post you asked for Ballard.

Are you saying in your post that you think my logic is bad or that just Lichtmann thinks that? If its the former, justify that please.

I didn't necessarily agree with Lichtmann while I was retyping summaries of his posts. But now that I think about it, I saw no analysis, just regurgitating of posts. Admittedly, the vomit is pretty strong against Lichtmann.

[FM Ballard]

IT A [BEEPING] GAME JUST ENJOY IT IF HE BECOMES SAVAGE THEN WELL THATS HOW THE GAME GOES!

I DON'T GET WHY SOME PEOPLE GET SO INVOLVED IN THIS [BEEP]ING [BEEP] SOMETIMES.

This is the guy who spent all of 48 hours of day 1 writing in invisible ink.
Fantastic post.

[FM Parker]

@Mendez, I think you see the rub now. Please don't explain further. Let's not give them any ideas.

@Cafarelli, you need to find the kidnapper fast.