Day 4

[Dunn]

What is this? Some kind of codes?

No code. Just wondering if I do something, and Ackerman's opinion doesn't actually effect my decision much, other than the fact that I find just about no way for him to be Mafia.

[Dunn]

Can the Mafia attempt to kill a fellow Mafia?

[Dunn]

More and more people have come on since my post. I wonder if it is just that time of day, or I have awoken the Beast.

[FM Galloway]

[bleep] introductory posts.
Nothing happened to me last night.
Lynches today are suspect on validity. All of it is farfetched and a logical stretch.
Dunn made a bad fos list but maybe he is bad scumhunter? Personally I just think he didn't want to try.
You know who I suspect? I Suspect Earle because his focus has been solely on the mafia and he has not even attempted to even take notice of anything else. He is a lurker and he refuses to contribute. He could be a savage trying to actively lurk/lurk for real.

[Dunn]

[bleep] introductory posts.
Nothing happened to me last night.
Lynches today are suspect on validity. All of it is farfetched and a logical stretch.
Dunn made a bad fos list but maybe he is bad scumhunter? Personally I just think he didn't want to try.
You know who I suspect? I Suspect Earle because his focus has been solely on the mafia and he has not even attempted to even take notice of anything else. He is a lurker and he refuses to contribute. He could be a savage trying to actively lurk/lurk for real.

Why is my FoS list bad? Please explain.

[FM Chapman]

People I can easily see being cult with Morgan:
Monroe, Earle, Lichtmann, Buchwalter

People who I can kinda see as cult with Morgan:
Mendez, Galloway, Ballard

People I'm confident aren't cult:
Ryan, (me), Hopgood

[Dunn]

[bleep] introductory posts.
Nothing happened to me last night.
Lynches today are suspect on validity. All of it is farfetched and a logical stretch.
Dunn made a bad fos list but maybe he is bad scumhunter? Personally I just think he didn't want to try.
You know who I suspect? I Suspect Earle because his focus has been solely on the mafia and he has not even attempted to even take notice of anything else. He is a lurker and he refuses to contribute. He could be a savage trying to actively lurk/lurk for real.

Are you aligned with anyone of them? Possible Biggs or Monroe?

[FM Galloway]

My thought thus far.

Spoiler : Roles list, removing dead roles :

Architect removed a Beta
Delta removed a Delta
Detective removed a Gamma
Corrupt Journalist removed an Epsilon
Arson removed the neutral evil
Savage removed a A/B/G/D

Godfather
[Soma Dealer] - Consigliere
[Soma Dealer] - Consort
[Soma Dealer] - Blackmailer
[Soma Dealer] - GraveRobber
[Soma Dealer] - Drug Dealer
Savage Godfather
[Hidden Epsilon] - Executioner
[Hidden Alpha] - Enforcer
[Hidden Alpha] - Clubber
[Hidden Beta] - Doctor
[Hidden Gamma] - Journalist
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Escort
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Bus Driver
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Bus Driver
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Blacksmith
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Mayor
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Delta
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Delta
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
[Random Any] - Witch

Primarily Useless. Host keeps track of this for us.

Yes, you see what you think you see. I believe this Town has no investigatives. The fact that one of the Mafia's is built around being nothing but Investigative roles, and the fact there was a Corrupt Journalist (if not a 2nd) to remove the impact of the articles, I believe this host has given the investigative capabilities to the scum. A Consigliere for the Mafia, and the overall investigative ability for the Savages. We only have Cafaralli so far to come up with information, and even she was scummy in the early game, with multiple people thinking she was recruited. She posted that her feedback was blocked night 1, but didn't seem to mind that fact until later when she used it as some kind of proof that she was infact an investigative role. Where she could have attacked Cohen on day 1, she waited until day 2. Also, if you take into account that her first post in day 1 was a greeting, but on both day 2 and 3 she was right to business you can notice a slight shift in attitude. You might check FM 16 for the 'First Post Analysis' observation. Town had greetings, scum was always immediately posting their thoughts and plans and outlooks.
With this I believe that Cafarelli is a Savage Investigator

That First Day Post Analysis was lucky to have worked out as it did. Lucky. Nothing more. Using that to justify lynching someone who got an Arson killed is flimsy at best.

Spoiler : Other leads :

I generally would peg most of the active players as Town, expect that I personally feel accomplished for not trusting Morgan at all. This will be clarified later. Congratulations? You lurked so no one gives a [bleep]
If I were to peg anyone as scum right now it would be that Monroe is a Savage, and Biggs is likely a Drug Dealer
Donnoly was suspect to me early game, but I am now neutral on him.
Buchwalter is helpful with his lists, but needs to contribute more opinions and less mechanics and the like
I also find that Parker, Ackerman, Kalou, and Black are all probably Town.

And just how the [bleep] did you get all this [bleep] accurate information hmm? Out your [bleep] maybe?

So, without further ado...

-vote FM Cafarelli

Barely explained vote. We covered just why Cafa is most likely town yesterday when you were off lurking. You missed that maybe?
[bleep] likely that you did.

[FM Galloway]

People I can easily see being cult with Morgan:
Monroe, Earle, Lichtmann, Buchwalter

People who I can kinda see as cult with Morgan:
Mendez, Galloway, Ballard

People I'm confident aren't cult:
Ryan, (me), Hopgood

Explain it or you are no good.
Simple as that

Are you aligned with anyone of them? Possible Biggs or Monroe?

Lol. Ask me to explain my post, immediately suggests im scum before I can.

[FM Chapman]

In addition, I'm currently assuming he was converted night 2, as he was the highest poster day 1.

[FM Chapman]

Explain it or you are no good.
Simple as that



Lol. Ask me to explain my post, immediately suggests im scum before I can.

Pushed hard against Ryan, only person to call Hopgood out for sheeping, I'm not cult.
I'll get back to you on the others.

[FM Galloway]

Pushed hard against Ryan, only person to call Hopgood out for sheeping, I'm not cult.
I'll get back to you on the others.

The [bleep] is this [bleep]? Half baked answers much Chapman?

[Dunn]

If your post had any real substance and wasn't strictly cussing and insulting me I might care for your fake reaction test.
Host didn't give you there opinions on the roles in the list.
The first post analysis was jaw droppingly accurate, and is only a piece of why I believe what I do.
I lurked in the day, but was around enough to save 2 lives already.

My FoS on Cafarelli is real, try to read.

[FM Galloway]

The [bleep] is this [bleep]? Half baked answers much Chapman?

I deciphered the post.
I would think the opposite. If Morgan buddied with people so that even a lurker can notice. Those people are probably not his teammates. Eveyone and their [bleep] mother knows to look for buddying after all.

[FM Galloway]

If your post had any real substance and wasn't strictly cussing and insulting me I might care for your fake reaction test.
Host didn't give you there opinions on the roles in the list.
The first post analysis was jaw droppingly accurate, and is only a piece of why I believe what I do.
I lurked in the day, but was around enough to save 2 lives already.

My FoS on Cafarelli is real, try to read.

You kill me. Truely. Reaction tests. haha.
If you paid attention, I said your role list there was pretty useless. Not the post following it.
The first post analysis is stupid, flimsy, baseless, and a waste of time. The reason why it worked? Luck. Nothing else.
Go ahead however and use it and lead the town into mislynch after mislynch. I'll be here to laugh at your idiocy.
Didn't I say it was barely explained? Seems like I did. You however dismissed everything I said under the guise of "Imma not react by reacting and calling this guy a newb reaction tester."

You amuse me you child you.

[Dunn]

You kill me. Truely. Reaction tests. haha.
If you paid attention, I said your role list there was pretty useless. Not the post following it.
The first post analysis is stupid, flimsy, baseless, and a waste of time. The reason why it worked? Luck. Nothing else.
Go ahead however and use it and lead the town into mislynch after mislynch. I'll be here to laugh at your idiocy.
Didn't I say it was barely explained? Seems like I did. You however dismissed everything I said under the guise of "Imma not react by reacting and calling this guy a newb reaction tester."

You amuse me you child you.

I never said you were a newb, in fact it is knowing that you aren't a noob that makes me question why you have such empty posts. Please take into account that Hopgood was also pushing a Cohen lynch, with the assurance that Cohan was the Arsonist. More assurance with no role claim or feedback than Cafaralli had as an investigator.

[Dunn]

I find the dismissal of the first post analysis interesting. Mafia is a pattern following and psychological game. Yet you find no worth in tracking how people of certain alignments and difficulties might respond to their entry to a game? Why?

[FM Galloway]

I never said you were a newb, in fact it is knowing that you aren't a noob that makes me question why you have such empty posts. Please take into account that Hopgood was also pushing a Cohen lynch, with the assurance that Cohan was the Arsonist. More assurance with no role claim or feedback than Cafaralli had as an investigator.

Take into account Masons. Take into account that we said hey masons. Bash the [bleep] outta this Cafa-idiot. Cafarelli is alive.
Consig or Inves.
Lynched an arson that can win with mafia?
Inves.
Hard isn't it?

I find the dismissal of the first post analysis interesting. Mafia is a pattern following and psychological game. Yet you find no worth in tracking how people of certain alignments and difficulties might respond to their entry to a game? Why?

The First Post Analysis completely lead to a victory in FM16 and not regular old fashioned scumhunting/sheriffs checks....
oh wait.

[FM Phelps]

Phelps reporting in.

I was roleblocked last night. It seems not voting on the stealth Arsonist arned me some sexual attention which is cool! The question is from which faction?

I wonder what Morgan's real role was before the culting. This information might be crucial to judge the capability of the savage team.

Why do we vote FM Biggs today? He claimed witched 2 nights in a row. Why would he do that if he really was just doused? Morgan claimed witched as well. This is a pretty long shot my friend.


@Chapman: Did you post your summary in your night chat directly or did you have to pm it to the hosts? ;)

Galetta:
Day 3 1 post, Day 2 i post, Day 1 overreacted to some weak scum hunting in a way i still remember. My spider sense is tingling. I am quite sure she is the kind of person who will start to contribute a lot more if we pressure her.

-vote FM Galetta

[Dunn]

Take into account Masons. Take into account that we said hey masons. Bash the [bleep] outta this Cafa-idiot. Cafarelli is alive.
Consig or Inves.
Lynched an arson that can win with mafia?
Inves.
Hard isn't it?



The First Post Analysis completely lead to a victory in FM16 and not regular old fashioned scumhunting/sheriffs checks....
oh wait.

Consensus on a player and apparent fact does not make it so. Cafarelli is very sketchy, and I have confirmed that I find it likely there is no investigative role in our town.
It was crucial to the end game, actually.

I shall go think more, but you should consider what I say before I Becket you.

[FM Chapman]

I deciphered the post.
I would think the opposite. If Morgan buddied with people so that even a lurker can notice. Those people are probably not his teammates. Eveyone and their [bleep] mother knows to look for buddying after all.

None of what I have relies on buddying, and certainly not my views of who aren't cult.

Here's the rest of my reasoning:
Cult
Earle: Talking a lot about him early in day 3, even when he's not immediately relevant. Monroe outright calls him scum, but doesn't act on it. (I view that as a scumtell)

Galloway: Calling him a good player and a good night kill target over Becket. Sets him up to be a town leader. Immediately lends his voice to calling Ryan scum after Morgan brings it up. Defensive about being called cult with Morgan.

Monroe: Downplaying Morgan's significance in the game. Morgan calls him town with a fairly bad reasoning.

Lichtmann: When asked about him, Morgan gives REALLY bad reads on him, flip flopping all over the place. Calls him scum and says he's really not sure in the same post. Lichtmann seems the most likely out of all these to be cult to me.

Buchwalter: Calls Morgan town for good logic, when there really wasn't much of it.

I couldn't find the rest of why I thought Buch was cult, so put him in the 'kinda' category. Also take Ballard off the list entirely.

[Dunn]

Galloway, why would the Consinvestigator that you narrowed Cafaralli down to have had fear lynching a possible Arsonist when there were no Douses to make people think an Arsonist was in game?

[FM Chapman]

Morgan outright calls him cult* under Earle

[FM Phelps]

I find the dismissal of the first post analysis interesting. Mafia is a pattern following and psychological game. Yet you find no worth in tracking how people of certain alignments and difficulties might respond to their entry to a game? Why?

Your assumption that town has no investigative roles is bullshit. Of course they have some. This would be the first FM game in history where town has no inves roles. Sc2mafia is all about follow the PR. Hosts know that. Town is in desperate need of leads from invests and sheriffs. It's all about night actions.
Do you really think the savages and the mafia(?) are the only ones with roles like that? Plain silly.

[Dunn]

Your assumption that town has no investigative roles is bullshit. Of course they have some. This would be the first FM game in history where town has no inves roles. Sc2mafia is all about follow the PR. Hosts know that. Town is in desperate need of leads from invests and sheriffs. It's all about night actions.
Do you really think the savages and the mafia(?) are the only ones with roles like that? Plain silly.

Yes. Yes, I do.
Our hosts are the kind that would do this, and laugh as we waited around for leads that don't exist.
Also, being about the night actions does not make them all investigative. Protective roles can have a say in things...

[FM Galloway]

None of what I have relies on buddying, and certainly not my views of who aren't cult.

Here's the rest of my reasoning:
Cult
Earle: Talking a lot about him early in day 3, even when he's not immediately relevant. Monroe outright calls him scum, but doesn't act on it. (I view that as a scumtell)

Galloway: Calling him a good player and a good night kill target over Becket. Sets him up to be a town leader. Immediately lends his voice to calling Ryan scum after Morgan brings it up. Defensive about being called cult with Morgan.

Monroe: Downplaying Morgan's significance in the game. Morgan calls him town with a fairly bad reasoning.

Lichtmann: When asked about him, Morgan gives REALLY bad reads on him, flip flopping all over the place. Calls him scum and says he's really not sure in the same post. Lichtmann seems the most likely out of all these to be cult to me.

Buchwalter: Calls Morgan town for good logic, when there really wasn't much of it.

I couldn't find the rest of why I thought Buch was cult, so put him in the 'kinda' category. Also take Ballard off the list entirely.

Hey.. This is an example of buddying you stupid [bleep]. So much for not using buddying to suggest someone as scum.

Galloway, why would the Consinvestigator that you narrowed Cafaralli down to have had fear lynching a possible Arsonist when there were no Douses to make people think an Arsonist was in game?

Cohen didn't act like town any time he had been pressured. It was solely due to the scumminess of his accuser and Monroe that kept, form my eyes, people from voting Cohen.
Mafia aren't gonna risk their consig d3 for a mislynch. Suggest that and your [bleep] retarded

[FM Lichtmann]

Just got off work and nothing happened to me

Also, if you look at role list only witch can spawn from nutral evil, so unless they decided to have random anys as the witch, he also claimed it late in the day if you notice, i think they were trying to signal arson, also looking at it none have made a witch claim yet.

-vote FM Biggs

[Dunn]

We should have an Escort, as two Consorts seems unlikely, and there are too many role blocked claims to just be Drug Dealers/Blackmailers.
Escorts learn information.
Doctor learns information.
Journalist (investigative?) is a route to reads and information
Bus Driver can deflect and impact the game.
We actually did have a Detective, he just died. I should clarify I believe we have no more remaining Investigative roles, as he was clearly in game.
Architect, while the role card was confusing, forces discussion and possibly claims.

We have non-investigative investigative roles with us.

[Dunn]

Cohen didn't act like town any time he had been pressured. It was solely due to the scumminess of his accuser and Monroe that kept, form my eyes, people from voting Cohen.
Mafia aren't gonna risk their consig d3 for a mislynch. Suggest that and your [bleep] retarded

Cafarelli accused Cohen of being Drug Dealer / Kidnapper, which feedback says are in game. The gamble isn't retarded, sir.

[FM Galloway]

Now for content.

None of what I have relies on buddying, and certainly not my views of who aren't cult.

Here's the rest of my reasoning:
Cult
Earle: Talking a lot about him early in day 3, even when he's not immediately relevant. Monroe outright calls him scum, but doesn't act on it. (I view that as a scumtell)
I can see this being the case. I would agree with you here.

Galloway: Calling him a good player and a good night kill target over Becket. Sets him up to be a town leader. Immediately lends his voice to calling Ryan scum after Morgan brings it up. Defensive about being called cult with Morgan.
Its actually aggressive but I've been this way all game. Morgan set himself up to be town leader. Morgan was a better night kill because of day one than Becket. Open your eyes and see the truth Chapman. LOL. I defended Ryan's post about being IP blocked and instantly Im buddying with Morgans opinion. Lurkers are scummy, which is what I followed up with. Reading is a college grade skill.

Monroe: Downplaying Morgan's significance in the game. Morgan calls him town with a fairly bad reasoning.
I can see this as well however it is way too obvious a tell for both to be scum.

Lichtmann: When asked about him, Morgan gives REALLY bad reads on him, flip flopping all over the place. Calls him scum and says he's really not sure in the same post. Lichtmann seems the most likely out of all these to be cult to me.
This is probable too. I don't have anything more to say to this

Buchwalter: Calls Morgan town for good logic, when there really wasn't much of it.
Debatable. Personally I hate being who just list all the time but it has its place here. There would be a lot of information lost without a list.

I couldn't find the rest of why I thought Buch was cult, so put him in the 'kinda' category. Also take Ballard off the list entirely.

Finshied a more contextual soft analysis.

[FM Galloway]

Cafarelli accused Cohen of being Drug Dealer / Kidnapper, which feedback says are in game. The gamble isn't retarded, sir.

WAY TO TAKE EVERYTHING OUT OF CONTEXT DUNN! YOU ARE PRO TOWN PLAYER! I AM SORRY FOR DOUBTING YOUR IMPECCABLE SKILLS!



One problem.
A mislynch is a mislynch.
D3 mislynch on a power role doesn't spell well for Cafa the consig.

[FM Phelps]

Yes. Yes, I do.
Our hosts are the kind that would do this, and laugh as we waited around for leads that don't exist.
Also, being about the night actions does not make them all investigative. Protective roles can have a say in things...

I think our hosts are mature enough to not troll 36 people for their own fun. They are hosting this for the sc2mafia community.

@FM Galloway: I don't even know what i should answer to you. You are just a [bleep]. This guy town leader? Don't make me laugh Chapman. His reasoning is pretty weak. He would lead us to 1 faillynch after another. No thanks.

Right now i trust: Ballard, Parker, Monroe, Cafarelli and that's it.

PS: Stop adding text into quotes. It has a tendency to be ignored by half of all the players in this game. It's a psychological phenomen. Don't do that.

[FM Lichtmann]

I think our hosts are mature enough to not troll 36 people for their own fun. They are hosting this for the sc2mafia community.

@FM Galloway: I don't even know what i should answer to you. You are just a [bleep]. This guy town leader? Don't make me laugh Chapman. His reasoning is pretty weak. He would lead us to 1 faillynch after another. No thanks.

Right now i trust: Ballard, Parker, Monroe, Cafarelli and that's it.

PS: Stop adding text into quotes. It has a tendency to be ignored by half of all the players in this game. It's a psychological phenomen. Don't do that.

Really its better when they put it in the quote so the people can see what they are responding to. I read them when he does that. I ask you how would you know half of the players are doing that? Maybe its just you but it can't be because apparently you did read it

[Dunn]

WAY TO TAKE EVERYTHING OUT OF CONTEXT DUNN! YOU ARE PRO TOWN PLAYER! I AM SORRY FOR DOUBTING YOUR IMPECCABLE SKILLS!



One problem.
A mislynch is a mislynch.
D3 mislynch on a power role doesn't spell well for Cafa the consig.

How was that out of context? You said the Mafia wouldn't try it. I say it was pretty much the best gamble that could have been pulled.

I think our hosts are mature enough to not troll 36 people for their own fun. They are hosting this for the sc2mafia community.

It isn't trolling to give people a less than standard setup...

[FM Galloway]

I think our hosts are mature enough to not troll 36 people for their own fun. They are hosting this for the sc2mafia community.

@FM Galloway: I don't even know what i should answer to you. You are just a [bleep]. This guy town leader? Don't make me laugh Chapman. His reasoning is pretty weak. He would lead us to 1 faillynch after another. No thanks.

Right now i trust: Ballard, Parker, Monroe, Cafarelli and that's it.

PS: Stop adding text into quotes. It has a tendency to be ignored by half of all the players in this game. It's a psychological phenomen. Don't do that.

Im just a [bleep]? Nice.
Chapman said I set Morgan up to be town leader not myself.
But hey its cool.. continue the scummyness.

Ps. You are gonna ignore bright white text on a gray background? Why are you even playing?

[FM Chapman]

Now for content.



Finshied a more contextual soft analysis.

What part of this has been buddying?

You defending Ryan being IP blocked is irrelevant.
What IS relevant is Morgan stating that he thinks Ryan is scum, and then you immediately agree with him out of the blue. I don't see this as scummy because 'lol buddying', I see it as scummy because you also acknowledged him as town leader and agreeing with him lends weight to his opinion.

[FM Lichtmann]

Also a thing about cardfilla (or whoever it is) our "invest" the arson said the paring was wrong. Do you think that she was trying to tell her team what she actually found really the invest wouldn't recheck someone. I think that she was trying to signal who she checked on the pairing.

[FM Chapman]

I think our hosts are mature enough to not troll 36 people for their own fun. They are hosting this for the sc2mafia community.

@FM Galloway: I don't even know what i should answer to you. You are just a [bleep]. This guy town leader? Don't make me laugh Chapman. His reasoning is pretty weak. He would lead us to 1 faillynch after another. No thanks.

Right now i trust: Ballard, Parker, Monroe, Cafarelli and that's it.

PS: Stop adding text into quotes. It has a tendency to be ignored by half of all the players in this game. It's a psychological phenomen. Don't do that.

Where did I call Galloway a town leader?

[FM Phelps]

Really its better when they put it in the quote so the people can see what they are responding to. I read them when he does that. I ask you how would you know half of the players are doing that? Maybe its just you but it can't be because apparently you did read it

No i didn't read it. A good player would split the big quote into several smaller ones with his comments right under it. It's a matter of post quality. You want your posts to be really easy to read. But somebody who posts in invisible text over a full day might have trouble to understand that.

[FM Galloway]

How was that out of context? You said the Mafia wouldn't try it. I say it was pretty much the best gamble that could have been pulled.

Lets try this again. Simplier this time mkay shorty?
There have been no arson douse claims.
consig checks Cohen and sees that message. Thinks he must be town.
There are no arson douse claims.
Cafa Leads a lynch on Cohen for two tryhard days. Two of em.
Cohen claimed posioned d1.
Cohen gradually acts scummier and scummier.
Cohen flipped Arson.
Cafa lived through a mason club that most likely happened.

[FM Galloway]

What part of this has been buddying?

You defending Ryan being IP blocked is irrelevant.
What IS relevant is Morgan stating that he thinks Ryan is scum, and then you immediately agree with him out of the blue. I don't see this as scummy because 'lol buddying', I see it as scummy because you also acknowledged him as town leader and agreeing with him lends weight to his opinion.

Thats the thing. I didn't agree with him out of any blue.
Ryan posted saying he got IP blocked.
Morgan said thats an excuse you are scum.
I said nah he is legit about it.
I said but everything else is scummy.

Maybe I wasn't clear or whatever but lurking has always been scummy.

[FM Galloway]

No i didn't read it. A good player would split the big quote into several smaller ones with his comments right under it. It's a matter of post quality. You want your posts to be really easy to read. But somebody who posts in invisible text over a full day might have trouble to understand that.

You moronicness is pissing me off.

[Dunn]

Also a thing about cardfilla (or whoever it is) our "invest" the arson said the paring was wrong. Do you think that she was trying to tell her team what she actually found really the invest wouldn't recheck someone. I think that she was trying to signal who she checked on the pairing.

What?

Lets try this again. Simplier this time mkay shorty?
There have been no arson douse claims.
consig checks Cohen and sees that message. Thinks he must be town.
There are no arson douse claims.
Cafa Leads a lynch on Cohen for two tryhard days. Two of em.
Cohen claimed posioned d1.
Cohen gradually acts scummier and scummier.
Cohen flipped Arson.
Cafa lived through a mason club that most likely happened.

...
I'm done talking with you.

[FM Phelps]

Where did I call Galloway a town leader?

I missinterpreted a post of you. Nevermind.

Lets try this again. Simplier this time mkay shorty?
There have been no arson douse claims.
consig checks Cohen and sees that message. Thinks he must be town.
There are no arson douse claims.
Cafa Leads a lynch on Cohen for two tryhard days. Two of em.
Cohen claimed posioned d1.
Cohen gradually acts scummier and scummier.
Cohen flipped Arson.
Cafa lived through a mason club that most likely happened.

The 3 town roles on that pairing could have easily proven themselves. Which would have lead to the early demise of the consigliere. Your logic would work if Cafarelli was a savage investigator and his teammates tried to recruit him the other day. I am afraid this doesn't work for the mafia.

[Dunn]

-unvote

[FM Lichtmann]

No i didn't read it. A good player would split the big quote into several smaller ones with his comments right under it. It's a matter of post quality. You want your posts to be really easy to read. But somebody who posts in invisible text over a full day might have trouble to understand that.

LOLOL you only reply to me? What about this other convo going on right now? Really I'm not that skilled at figuring all of this out so I'm just watching for the most part. You however seem to be much better. I would suggest that you give your inquires as well.

The fact that you are here and only respond to me is funny but seems scummy to me.

@Galloway If I may ask who do you think are the scums? As well as your imput on a role list if you have one?

@Dunn One sec i will find the post from day 3

[FM Phelps]

You moronicness is pissing me off.

Why didn't you stay in circlejerk 2.0? Who let you join this game? The quality of players gets worse from game to game.

[FM Lichtmann]

fuck this i'll go back to saving people and stop trying to lead town

nice try in hiding that in unvote

[FM Galloway]

Oh this isn't even hard to understand! Catch the [bleep] up.

Its risky as [bleep] to go after a mislynch on d3 with a mafia member instigating it. How are you down syndroming this? Mafia are not going to risk one of their investigative roles, assuming they have one, for one mislynch.

[Dunn]

The 3 town roles on that pairing could have easily proven themselves. Which would have lead to the early demise of the consigliere. Your logic would work if Cafarelli was a savage investigator and his teammates tried to recruit him the other day. I am afraid this doesn't work for the mafia.

There was 4 Town roles, and the possible existence of a Drug Dealer takes away the ability for Blacksmith to confirm self, as well as a possible Kidnapper removing Bus Driver. Veteran would need someone to die, and Vigilante would have been witched by that point...
None of those roles would have bettered their place by claiming.