Day 4

[FM Ferengi]

Day 4

Due to host miscommunication, the journalist/corrupt journalist/savage journalist PM was not sent out. Expect to see an interview posted at the next night post.

Atonement.

Graveyard:
FM Gage (Architect) - Overdosed on laced Soma.
FM McKelty (Delta) - Lynched by an angry mob.
FM Bishop (Detective) - Overdosed on laced Soma.
FM Becket (Corrupt Journalist) - Overdosed on laced Soma.
FM Cohen (Arsonist) - Lynched by an angry mob.
FM Colmyer (Delta) - Committed suicide.
FM Morgan (Savage) - Overdosed on laced soma.

Role List:
Godfather
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
Savage Godfather
[Evil Neutral]
[Hidden Epsilon]
[Hidden Epsilon]
[Hidden Alpha]
[Hidden Alpha]
[Hidden Beta]
[Hidden Beta]
[Hidden Gamma]
[Hidden Gamma]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
[Random Any]

Not Crossed Off:
FM Morgan (Savage)

Anonymous Accounts:
FM Ackerman
FM Ballard
FM Becket
FM Bekowsky
FM Biggs
FM Bishop
FM Black
FM Buchwalter
FM Cafarelli
FM Carruthers
FM Chapman
FM Cohen
FM Colmyer
FM Donnelly
FM Dunn
FM Earle
FM Fontaine
FM Gage
FM Galletta
FM Galloway
FM Green
FM Hogeboom
FM Hopgood
FM Kalou
FM Kelso
FM Leary
FM Lichtmann
FM Mason
FM McKelty
FM Mendez
FM Monroe
FM Morgan
FM Parker
FM Phelps
FM Rose
FM Ryan

Night 5 begins at: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i...y+22nd%2C+2013

15 votes to hammer.

[FM Biggs]

Right, stating the obvious here, either I got witched by the Random any or I got drugged the first two nights. Discuss?
I personally think it's a drug dealer now because I received the feedback on two consecutive nights.

[FM Ackerman]

Interesting, that proves a lot. Good job Colymer

[FM Ackerman]

Right, stating the obvious here, either I got witched by the Random any or I got drugged the first two nights. Discuss?
I personally think it's a drug dealer now because I received the feedback on two consecutive nights.

Thanks for pointing it out I was about to dig for who you were

-vote FM Biggs

[FM Green]

Right, stating the obvious here, either I got witched by the Random any or I got drugged the first two nights. Discuss?
I personally think it's a drug dealer now because I received the feedback on two consecutive nights.

Well you did say you got witched both night one and two. I don't think the drug dealer would focus on you both nights... so what was your feedback last night?

[FM Green]

Well you did say you got witched both night one and two. I don't think the drug dealer would focus on you both nights... so what was your feedback last night?

Well it depends on how you look at it...

You said on D1 and D2 that you were witched.

[FM Parker]

Good morning y'all. Here's what I got from yesterday.

1) Cohen was a liar and a mistaken trust in him fueled some of my assumptions. While I don't like the odds of Cafarelli being an investigator, I wouldn't ignore them either. I hate liars, they screw everything up.
2) The Arsonist makes it very unlikely there is a witch present, although theoretically possible, for their to be a witch. Biggs and Monroe are therefore suspicious.
3) How did Hopgood know that Cohen was an arsonist? Lucky guess? No one had been doused after all. Obsessed with Hammering...
4) Dunn and Leary, both are inactive right now.


If we are voting to pressure the "witched" claimers, I'd rather pressure Monroe. His trolling is bad for the town, as compared to the drunken sailor Galloway (who swears and starts conflict).

-vote FM Monroe

[FM Biggs]

Well you did say you got witched both night one and two. I don't think the drug dealer would focus on you both nights... so what was your feedback last night?

I got none.

[FM Biggs]

Thanks for pointing it out I was about to dig for who you were

-vote FM Biggs

All aboard the lynch train!

[FM Green]

Good morning y'all. Here's what I got from yesterday.

1) Cohen was a liar and a mistaken trust in him fueled some of my assumptions. While I don't like the odds of Cafarelli being an investigator, I wouldn't ignore them either. I hate liars, they screw everything up.
2) The Arsonist makes it very unlikely there is a witch present, although theoretically possible, for their to be a witch. Biggs and Monroe are therefore suspicious.
3) How did Hopgood know that Cohen was an arsonist? Lucky guess? No one had been doused after all. Obsessed with Hammering...
4) Dunn and Leary, both are inactive right now.


If we are voting to pressure the "witched" claimers, I'd rather pressure Monroe. His trolling is bad for the town, as compared to the drunken sailor Galloway (who swears and starts conflict).

-vote FM Monroe

You. I kind of like you...

-vote FM Monroe

Also - I would like to know how Hopgood knew he was arsonist and why the hell he did not douse anyone?!

[FM Ackerman]

Good morning y'all. Here's what I got from yesterday.

1) Cohen was a liar and a mistaken trust in him fueled some of my assumptions. While I don't like the odds of Cafarelli being an investigator, I wouldn't ignore them either. I hate liars, they screw everything up.
2) The Arsonist makes it very unlikely there is a witch present, although theoretically possible, for their to be a witch. Biggs and Monroe are therefore suspicious.
3) How did Hopgood know that Cohen was an arsonist? Lucky guess? No one had been doused after all. Obsessed with Hammering...
4) Dunn and Leary, both are inactive right now.


If we are voting to pressure the "witched" claimers, I'd rather pressure Monroe. His trolling is bad for the town, as compared to the drunken sailor Galloway (who swears and starts conflict).

-vote FM Monroe

I didn't select biggs, because he claimed witch once, it was critical that he claimed twice. The only reason for that is the witch suspected him of being a power role and wanted to confirm. Witch knows who he is I want to know too.

[FM Ackerman]

Oh, also I was bussed last night, in case anyone was wondering.

[FM Parker]

Will we be told a savage's original role? If the savage was a savage power role?

@Ackerman, I would rather not out a power role. Instead, I would rather hunt those I believe to be scum. The longer we keep the power roles hidden, the better.

[Dunn]

Let me be Ackerman for a minute.
Interesting morning.

-vote Monroe

[Dunn]

Yes, this is an early morning sighting of Dunn. Take it in.

[FM Parker]

Dunn, what was the reason you were so inactive?

Also, you need the FM tag for your vote to be effective.

[Dunn]

My work schedule is erratic. I have tried to put some worth into my posts, Id like to ask that you make sure to follow my posts for a pattern of sorts. I'll reveal that shortly.

-vote FM Monroe

[Dunn]

But as of right now I have some time. Please ask me anything.

[FM Parker]

Ok, I'll give you a long form question Dunn. What do you think of the more active players? Basically, post your scum hunting theories. Since you've been inactive, I think an open ended question like that is appropriate.

[Dunn]

Ok, I'll give you a long form question Dunn. What do you think of the more active players? Basically, post your scum hunting theories. Since you've been inactive, I think an open ended question like that is appropriate.

I hope you know before I start that I have impacted the game already. Severally.
My theories really aren't theories which is going to be a nice issue when you read this. The majority of my leads are gut feelings. Something that is said will stand out to me, and the situation is highly impactful. Becket was killed as a lurker? Morgan was killed as a non-lurker? The scum are not easily traceable on a global level.

Morgan you will notice I FoS'd on the first day.
Cohen I was willing to join in on.
Cohen played very dangerously, Morgan was safe, he didn't even vote once...

I'm not quite certain what form of answer you want, especially because I don't have any real sort of process to determine how I play. It's about as unpredictable as my job haha.

I could list my jobs, list a read on everyone (ugh), analyze lynch chains.
If you could be a little less open ended that would be fantastic

[Dunn]

Fos*
Not jobs. Sorry.

[FM Bekowsky]

Guess I was wrong about Colmyer>.>. His constant spamming during D2 making it hard to read simply didn't seem townish.

I also apologise for my total lack of activity last day. However, is the vote against Monroe still based on the belief that he is the Savage Godfather?

[FM Parker]

The vote on Monroe is based on his trolling and his claim of witched when it is unlikely he was witched at all.

@Dunn, a list on everyone isn't necessary (but please do if you're on when no one else is). I just would like you to comment on all the active players and what you think of them (alignment, actions, etc.). Lynch claims would play a part in that.

[FM Ferengi]

Will we be told a savage's original role? If the savage was a savage power role?

You will not be told a savage's original role.

[FM Black]

Arsonist huh...? Can't say I was expecting that one. And no one claimed doused? More than likely Cohen was planning not to use his power until endgame and trick everyone.

Hop good said some weird things at the end of day 3. Is he trying to triple WIFOM to attract attention? Hoppy, do you have any words on this?

[FM Ballard]

Did everyone miss the OP where it said a Savage died? Just curious, it seems like people missed it. I'd expect someone who makes useless posts like Earle to be like "yay a savage died".

If you don't mind, Parker, I'm going to answer too. I've been inactive these past days so I think answering that is appropriate.
I pay a lot of attention to the active players. I'm sure that's what their goal is. It's very pro-town to me to want a lot of attention to yourself on the early days. As such, I put active players as Town until I have a reason not to. Parker, right now I know you think of yourself as a Town Leader. It's evident in you trying to start a lynch train on Monroe. Monroe, an active player on day one, is Town to me. He showed intelligence and willingness to lead from the start. Your rationale was that his trolling is bad for Town? Come on, everyone knows his trolling was shit. While his trolling was pretty bad, I find that people fixated on his bad trolling to be more scummy. The people fixated on it seem like scums looking for an excuse to conduct a train and mislynch. Parker, right now, you are scummy to me. Give me a better reason to vote Monroe. You say you're pressuring Witched claimers, why not Biggs? Call this a derail if you want. But it's not. You say you're pressuring witch claimers so I'm curious to think why you trust Biggs's double witch claim over Monroe.

Another thing that bothers me greatly is how quick Green and Dunn were to sheep you. What do you have to say to that?

[FM Ballard]

If you meant specific people, fersure Colmyer, Buchwalter, and Galloway are Town.

Colmyer because helpful even when blackmailed. Spammed the shit outta that play to try to get people to catch on, yet only a few did.

Call it bad reasoning but Buchwalter because no scum would waste time generating a list like that periodically.

Galloway because his rage is designed to get reads. Can't tell if he's actually mad but that would also be Town points imo. Sarcasm and anger are Town tells.

[FM Ballard]

Hey wait a second...Parker you claimed to know of the English play, right?
How did you find out where the quotes came from? What post did you google up?

[FM Parker]

@Ballard, I don't consider your post an attempt to derail as it is rather reasoned. I do agree with you that one of the witch claimers at least should be heavily pressured. As you well know, I never believed Monroe's trolling, such as his fake reveal as Mayor, to be a joke. I also disagree with the fact that posting a lot in the early days = likely town tell. It's much easier to be active in the early days when no one has any information. Also, you said Monroe has shown intelligence. We also know the scum are at least somewhat smart. After all, we still don't have a confirmed role list.

I don't care to be town leader. I see myself as the guy who speaks a lot. A town leader has a lot more influence than I do. I may fit the type listed in an FM Guide somewhere, but I'm just trying to be more of a deducer/pressurer than a leader. Unfortunately, I may be posting too much for that.

I respect the fact you want more information to vote Monroe. We just read his behavior very differently.

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I also don't like the quick sheeping on me. Yet, my thoughts are logical so it is possible they agree.


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As for the play, I don't remember which lines I googled specifically. However, some of them had very awkward phrasing. I thought maybe Colmyer was trying to communicate through his spam message. Hence why my efforts focused on trying to get him to communicate. I could retrace my steps if you wanted. I feel that's a bit of a waste though.

[FM Bekowsky]

If you don't mind, Parker, I'm going to answer too. I've been inactive these past days so I think answering that is appropriate.
I pay a lot of attention to the active players. I'm sure that's what their goal is. It's very pro-town to me to want a lot of attention to yourself on the early days. As such, I put active players as Town until I have a reason not to.

Poor logic. I have been both active/inactive as town and scum. My activity isn't based on tactics. It's based on how much time I have. In my experience, post count is around as poor of a scumtell as you can get. Read the posts by quality, not quantity.

[FM Parker]

I agree. Ballard's logic quickly falls apart. I'm obviously the most active poster, yet I'm scummy according to Ballard's previous post. I missed that when I was reading because I wasn't really FoSing Ballard. Thanks Bekowsky.

[FM Bekowsky]

I'm still really not liking how Colmyer played the BM thing. It said no where in him message that he was not allowed to post the opening line of the play (the title).

Anyways, I'll leave that for the moment.

[FM Ballard]

Ah, what did you read off of it if you didn't think it was a joke? Did you think the host was going to convert him into Mayor and make an official post? If you mean the wifom, yes it's there. Of course it's there. And because it's there, I don't see how you can be so fast to vote him up. Unless you know for a fact what his alignment is. The only way that's true is if you are Mafia. It's just the speed and confidence that you give off that makes me suspicious.

My work schedule is erratic. I have tried to put some worth into my posts, Id like to ask that you make sure to follow my posts for a pattern of sorts. I'll reveal that shortly.

-vote FM Monroe

You. I kind of like you...

-vote FM Monroe

Also - I would like to know how Hopgood knew he was arsonist and why the hell he did not douse anyone?!

You read these as mere agreeing rather than sheeping? Odd.

I didn't find a link to the play after copy and pasting some of his quotes on Google. So, it'd be great if you retraced. I don't want to lead a lynch on you, I don't think you're scum. I've just found some things I'd like addressed.

Probably poor wording, I apologize. I don't judge by quantity, but it seems quantity has come with quality this game for the most part, save for a few like my quack posts and Mason.

[FM Ballard]

I agree. Ballard's logic quickly falls apart. I'm obviously the most active poster, yet I'm scummy according to Ballard's previous post. I missed that when I was reading because I wasn't really FoSing Ballard. Thanks Bekowsky.

Buddying noticed.

[FM Ballard]

I'm going to bed. Rest assured, I will read every post on this matter with great detail in the morning.
Quack!

[Dunn]

The vote on Monroe is based on his trolling and his claim of witched when it is unlikely he was witched at all.

@Dunn, a list on everyone isn't necessary (but please do if you're on when no one else is). I just would like you to comment on all the active players and what you think of them (alignment, actions, etc.). Lynch claims would play a part in that.

Ok. I must sleep, but will be here in a bit, and will post my updated role list ideas, as well as where I feel each player falls in it, or in relation to things they said. Sorry, I'm tired. See you tomorrow morning.

[FM Donnelly]

Good "morning" everyone. It's pretty late here and I've got to wake up early tomorrow so I'll be brief.

I was roleblocked last night.

I support the lynch train on monroe because I haven't trusted him since the beginning.

I'm also not sure what lynching Biggs would tell us. I currently see no reason for any of us to doubt that there is a witch in the game. The arsonist takes up the Neutral Evil slot, but there is still a Random Any spot available. And I haven't noticed anything from Biggs that has caused me to distrust him. So until one of those things changes, I say we believe him, assuming I get the answer I'm expecting to the following question:

If the savage godfather attempts to recruit, but a savage (as in the role "savage") is witched, will the witching force the savage to act (kill)? If so, will this be instead of or in addition to the recruit?

[FM Donnelly]

Woops! I forgot this!

-vote FM Monroe

[FM Ackerman]

Let me be Ackerman for a minute.
Interesting night.

-vote Monroe

Corrected.

[FM Donnelly]

Day 4

Due to host miscommunication, the journalist/corrupt journalist/savage journalist PM was not sent out. Expect to see an interview posted at the next night post.

This basically confirms the absence of a savage journalist. Which means it is most likely (though not 100% confirmed) that the journalist articles we will be seeing from now on are being issued by a journalist.

[FM Donnelly]

Looks like not many people are on right now, and I'm tired, so I'm going to sleep.

[FM Ballard]

Hm. I faked going to bed to see if it would help Parker respond, as he was taking his time.
y u leave? it's only a fos

bed forreals now. quack!

[FM Buchwalter]

Morning all!
I had a very silent night with nothing to report.

I only see two feedback claims so far, none of you have anything to add?

You will not be told a savage's original role.

Think you misunderstood his question, or at least I did not understand your answer.

If a Savage Investigator dies, will it show up in the graveyard as Savage or Savage Investigator?

[FM Ferengi]

If the savage godfather attempts to recruit, but a savage (as in the role "savage") is witched, will the witching force the savage to act (kill)? If so, will this be instead of or in addition to the recruit?

The savage will not be forced to kill. A witched savage will cause the savage to visit a target but with no effect.

If a Savage Investigator dies, will it show up in the graveyard as Savage or Savage Investigator?

Whoops, it looks like I didn't properly answer the original question. If a savage investigator dies, it will show up in the graveyard as a savage investigator.

[FM Buchwalter]

It saddens me a lot to see both Morgan and Colmyer dead, they were the two I felt the most towny feel from.
But I guess being Savage explain why Morgan was not that active during day 3 compared to day 1.

As for voting Monroe. We tried to pressure Monroe a little day 2 if i remember right, and he just laughed at us and pulled that "Mayor reveal" prank.

[FM Buchwalter]

Whoops, it looks like I didn't properly answer the original question. If a savage investigator dies, it will show up in the graveyard as a savage investigator.[/QUOTE]

No worries Switzerland, we (or at least I do) love you anyway.

I guess that mean Morgan was a TPR before he became Savage. Since i highly doubt the Savage Godfather would recruit "as is" with the number of Detlas in game.

[FM Parker]

That has got to be the fastest non-flop in mafia history, Ballard. You claim in post 26 "Parker, right now, you are scummy to me." In post 33, "I don't want to lead a lynch on you, I don't think you're scum." All the while, the post is a pressure post. Make up your damn mind.

Also, don't give me a task the requires me to retrace my steps and research and expect an immediate result.

As for retracing my steps, I googled the second post Colmyer made ("Carl. Anyone you can think of, someone somewhere got bored with fucking them."). The first three links are all about plays. Google Search Results I clicked the third. It had the name of the play and relevant excerpts. Picture Revealing Name of Play I eventually found a link containing the whole play. I cannot find that right now, but it's late. The third post in quotes ("You gave my brother's clothes to someone else, I won't leave until I've seen them.") lead me to a document containing the full text of the play Google Search Revealing Full text of play. A quick google of the author and title revealed that Sarah Kane was English and the play she wrote was relatively recent.

Sorry this took a minute. The sc2mafia servers were giving me fits.

Now I am off to bed.

[FM Buchwalter]

Whoops, it looks like I didn't properly answer the original question. If a savage investigator dies, it will show up in the graveyard as a savage investigator.

No worries Switzerland, we (or at least I do) love you anyway.

I guess that mean Morgan was a TPR before he became Savage. Since i highly doubt the Savage Godfather would recruit "as is" with the number of Detlas in game.

Doh! Broke the quote.

[FM Parker]

I did wind up retracing my steps to find the full play. It's late I'm tired. Ignore that part about not retracing to find the full text ATM.

Good night.

[FM Buchwalter]

Feedback Claims:

• Godfather
  
  1. killed Morgan
• Escort / Consort
  
  1. blocked Donnelly
• Bus Driver / Kidnapper
  
  1. bussed Ackerman

Notable Posts:

• Buchwalter
  
  1. Day 1 version of this list. [D1 #535]
  2. Day 2 version of this list. [D2 #783]
  3. Day 3 version of this list. [D3 #323]

Lynch Trains:

• Monroe
  
  1. On grounds of being a troll. (?)