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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Chapman View Post
    Becket, a lurker, died and flipped corrupt journalist.

    The sole article posted is poorly written, but the interviewee claims delta.

    Ballard, Kalou, and Colmyer claimed Bus Driven. One of these was likely swapped with a mafia member by a Kidnapper.

    Kelso and Black claimed roleblocked.

    Morgan claimed witched.

    Colmyer claimed blackmailed Day 2 and Day 3. The Day 2 blackmail was to quote Sarah Kane's Cleansed, while the Day 3 blackmail was to defend Colmyer (He assumes it was meant for someone else). According to my understanding of the rules, that means he should be killed tonight. He claims Delta.

    Black claimed to have been roleblocked, but he also said he has a night action and tried to target Becket, but he also said he would not have received feedback anyway.

    Cafarelli pushes a lynch hard on Cohen, claiming an investigator who saw him in the Arsonist pairing, though she calls him DD/BM. Before I saw Cohen flip Arsonist, I thought she was an executioner. She was also advocating a quickhammer.

    Cohen, when he showed up, posted what I thought was a fairly good defense, but he doesn't roleclaim and changes his stance on Cafarelli multiple times.

    Earle is active lurking and not contributing. He also hard defended Cohen, wondering if he is student. I'm currently thinking Earle is at least scum--maybe even Cohen's student.

    Green also active lurking and not contributing.

    Same with Carruthers.

    Galloway is aggressive and posts long walls of text.

    Morgan claimed blackmailed with the same message Colmyer claimed.

    Could you get off your high horse and stop ignoring a player because you don't like the way he formats his posts?
    Not reading his post has nothing to do with me sitting on a high horse.
    I don't like to be treated like shit and that's exactly what FM Galloway does in this game with most of the players. I don't need that in my free time!
    I don't understand why some people abuse FM's just too be dicks. I see the name, the avatar read the first sentence. See how he flames and scroll to the next guy. Poor playstyle is poor.


    anyways:
    Where is Galletta, Ryan, Mason, Kalou, Dunn, Fontaine Rose and Biggs on your lurker list? Why didn't you add them? No one of those was active Day 3.
    Dunn and Biggs are more active today which is good though.

    Galletta
    Ryan
    Mason
    Kalou
    Fontaine

    need to post more.

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    Re: Day 4

    I also still have a feeling that we lost another TPR with Morgan.

    Like i said here, [#46]. It is highly unlikely that the Savage Godfather would randomly recruit "as is". That would mean we most lost a Coroner, Detective, Investigator, Journalist, Lookout, or Sheriff.

    • Coroner: Could have been a Coroner but there is no way to know this with out another Coroner checking him. But we should be aware of fake Coroner claims now as the Savages may know what Morgan was before death and may try to use this information as proof.
    • Detective: Already lost one so I find it unlikely.
    • Investigator: Morgan could have been a second Investigator, the interview day 2 could have been him.
    • Journalist: The message in post [#1] suggest that the (Corrupt) Journalist is still alive. So this role is unlikely.
    • Lookout: Could have been a Lookout but again no real way to tell.
    • Sheriff: We do not know if we even had a Sheriff at start, as we may have two Investigators.

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Phelps View Post
    Not reading his post has nothing to do with me sitting on a high horse.
    I don't like to be treated like shit and that's exactly what FM Galloway does in this game with most of the players. I don't need that in my free time!
    I don't understand why some people abuse FM's just too be dicks. I see the name, the avatar read the first sentence. See how he flames and scroll to the next guy. Poor playstyle is poor.


    anyways:
    Where is Galletta, Ryan, Mason, Kalou, Dunn, Fontaine Rose and Biggs on your lurker list? Why didn't you add them? No one of those was active Day 3.
    Dunn and Biggs are more active today which is good though.

    Galletta
    Ryan
    Mason
    Kalou
    Fontaine

    need to post more.
    If you are ignoring a majority of his posts, then YOURS is the poor playstyle.

    Anyway, my plane's about to take off, so see you guys later.

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    Re: Day 4

    So,

    Since the beginning, my read on Galloway is town, Same for Dunn.

    I'll approve the vote and put pressure too on Lichtmann.

    -vote FM Lichtmann


    Also, since lichtmann is suspicious right now and have his vote on Biggs (with Rose and Ackerman, whose are suspicious too)
    Biggs goes on my town list for now. Even though it could be a trap and scum voted an ally to make us think that hes town.

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Kelso View Post
    So,

    Since the beginning, my read on Galloway is town, Same for Dunn.

    I'll approve the vote and put pressure too on Lichtmann.

    -vote FM Lichtmann


    Also, since lichtmann is suspicious right now and have his vote on Biggs (with Rose and Ackerman, whose are suspicious too)
    Biggs goes on my town list for now. Even though it could be a trap and scum voted an ally to make us think that hes town.
    What do you want me to say, "I'm town dont lynch me"?

    But if i may, why is biggs a town?

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Cafarelli View Post
    didn't you suggest that? i think so because there was noone bmed d1. why would they wait? also it matches with galetta's behaviour ;)
    I did. Post 25 on Day 3. I went through some of Galetta's posts suggesting that she was a PR. Some of her language screamed that Galetta was not American. I couldn't pursue it further than that without possibly breaking the rule on COM hunting. Plus, her sudden inactivity is suspicious.

    Biggs could indeed be clubbed, if we move onto Galetta. I'm concerned about the mafia screwing this up and Biggs lives. I don't think the mafia would go out of their way to help a savage though. That scenario is why I'm still voting Biggs. Claiming witched is an excellent communication device because few would think of it as a traditional code.

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Rose View Post
    Is the clubber notified if his attack fails? Clubber isn't even confirmed in the setup, so we might not even have one.
    Theres 2 alphas, the odds are there is one but then again there is chance there isn't but clubber makes more sense then enforcer dont you think?

    Also looking at role list apparently if they are not salvage they will have no affect

    can salvage power roles be clubbed?

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Lichtmann View Post
    Does it help if I trust you right now? But some people seem to have brought light some important info as well?
    There is direct focus on you. not other people.
    I don't see why you have trust in me when other people seem to think im a [dick] and need to die. It seems like anyone I pressure instantly wants me dead. WHATEVER!

    So Lichtmann. thoughts?

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Lichtmann View Post
    What do you want me to say, "I'm town dont lynch me"?

    But if i may, why is biggs a town?
    Nothing is set in stone right now.

    You are the main suspect right now, we need to look at every possibility. If you turn scum, Biggs is 80% town since you tried to vote him. But, As I said earlier, it could be a trick to make us think that Biggs is town.

    Anyway, let's gather more information before jumping to conclusion too early.

    @Rose : I'm paying attention to this game. I try to help town as much as I can.

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Kelso View Post
    Nothing is set in stone right now.

    You are the main suspect right now, we need to look at every possibility. If you turn scum, Biggs is 80% town since you tried to vote him. But, As I said earlier, it could be a trick to make us think that Biggs is town.

    Anyway, let's gather more information before jumping to conclusion too early.

    @Rose : I'm paying attention to this game. I try to help town as much as I can.
    What is the evidence against lichtmann then? Biggs made a fake witched claim so i would say that he is a bigger suspect right now.

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Chapman View Post
    If you are ignoring a majority of his posts, then YOURS is the poor playstyle.

    Anyway, my plane's about to take off, so see you guys later.
    Lol. I read most of his posts don't worry. I am just not in the mood to get trolled by him today.
    You still hasn't answered my question.

    I went over Morgans posts from yesterday, because i want to know why the mafia killed him last night.

    Spoiler : FM Morgan notable day 3 posts :

    #218
    Brothers... I have returned... I was witched last night. Also, I was BMed yesterday, and I realize I made a mistake in not holding it out to today instead. It was the same BM as Colmyer's yesterday. That shitty ass play was the most retarded piece of wanna-be literature I have ever read.

    Black: Claimed PR out of nowhere, then claimed that he didn't claim TPR, which means he was calling himself scum.

    Cohen:

    Caf: I felt he was a Savage yesterday, yet I sincerely doubt that the Masons wouldn't have targeted him yesterday, so that makes me think he is a possible legitimate Investigator. I sincerely doubt he is an Executioner. I personally think we would have one anti-town Epsilon (Executioner/Jester/Corrupt Journalist) and one that could possible work with us (Survivor/Amnesiac/Student), and the Corrupt Journalist is now dead. Yet he might be a possible a Consig who is trying to lynch a PR and then when he flips PR say "Oh, I'm only an Investigator, I couldn't have known".

    Earle: Scum trying to appear townish. Repeats previously said statements.

    Ryan: My suspicion of him has been growing each day. D1 he claimed he would try to post more, yet D2 showed no difference. He refused to vote anyone, possibly thinking he would lynch an ally. Huge periods of absence, I don't like him.

    Anyone else you want me to talk about?

    he thinks Black, Earle and Ryan are scum.

    Thinks Cafarelli is now a town investigator. Sounds to me like FM Morgan was recruited N2. Why would he do a 180° turn just because he assumed to know what the Masons would do. This is a weak argument at best. There might be a connection between those 2



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    Galloway: I personally find it strange how you changed so miraculously D1 from someone I thought to be a little kid raging to someone with actual intelligence. You're posts after your sudden change have seemed helpful, yet you seem to discredit alot of things like D1 post 449 you seemed to hammer down on Cohen's thoughts. You seem experienced as you knew about previous FMs which meant you at least took the time to read those to gain possible ideas. Yet D1 you claimed that it was your first FM and that your brother was a more experienced person, and now you seem to know about things from past FMs -I'm probably missing something here-. Although you do give out very good explanations of most things you post.

    Mendez: States alot of info which I would assume most people already know and posts that are utterly useless and waste soace. Her post count seems like it is just enough for her to slip by most people. Aka around the scum level.

    Ackerman: Hasn't posted at all today, despite the time. If he doesn't post within 2-5 hours I'm assuming he is scum. Posts useless posts that are obvious to others to stay under the radar. Seems to put alot of pressure on Ballard whom in my opinion is a pro-town player, and states the only reason is because he is "Messed up" on D2 post 35.

    Chapman: Another posted who hasn't posted today. Soft claimed Vig D1 by stating he would shoot people. Has the post count of what you would expect from a Vigilante, however that soft claim ruins that whole thing, which makes me suspect he is newer, or scum. Possibly both.
    noticed Galloways inteligence upgrade. Might be savage with him.

    scum reads on: Mendez, Ackerman, Chapman

    Later he tried to start a lynch train on Ryan


    #248

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Mendez View Post
    Back.

    @Morgan why did you complete the blackmail on the first day? I had you pegged as one of the smarter analyzers, and this confused me. Please don't tell me it's because of the threat. Also, why did you wait for so long after Colmyer to post yourself?

    Also while you are giving reads can you tell me your thoughts on
    -Earle
    -Monroe
    -Black
    1.) It was a mistake. I admitted I made one.
    2.) Time zones. I woke up that day at 7:00 Central Time, then I went to school and arrived back at 4:30.

    Earle: Check my first post of the day.
    Black: Check my first post of the day.
    Monroe: Seems intelligent. I am unsure of why people tried to lead a train on him yesterday, yet deny it today. He seems town to me. His false Mayor claim was likely as he called it, a joke. Yet if he was blackmailed he could have claimed it today, which means he wasn't.

    Town read on Monroe. Might be another Savage or just good old fake contributing.

    #264

    Originally Posted by FM Monroe View Post
    On day 2 some people claimed feedback on the second half of the day. There's still time.


    Your reading skills are even worse than mine!

    Morgan, what do you think of Lichtman's attitude towards Cafarelli?

    Do you think it means anything that Buchwalter's notes from yesterday didn't include Cafarelli's result on Rose?
    quote end

    Lichtman: Well he posted only once today and that was a vote on Cohen in which he seemed to try to make it a train vote. So I would think his current attitude towards Caf is that he trusts him more than Cohen.

    Buchwalter: Interesting that he said specifically that Caf did claim Invest, and that he got a drugged into no feedback drug N1. Yet didn't talk about his result on Rose... I will need to read more on what the two say now before I can come up with something. Yet it very well might be something that we could get a lot from. However my thoughts so far are that he most likely just a mistake.

    What do you think of my opinion on Ryan? Also what do you think of Bekowsky? He hasn't posted today and his last post yesterday was him voting Cohen and then leaving.


    noticed the sheep vote from Lichtman on Cohen

    wants feedback on Ryan which he thinks is scum and feedback on Bekowsky


    #279

    Lichtman: I can't really tell much about him from D2 I read through and over again. He seems to have been flip-flopping alot. He had a few interesting posts, and his opinion on the Investigator is interesting. If you look at all the options you might see them as a Mafia team who got bad communication and messed with the other's plans. Other than that I can't pick up much...

    long shot on Lichtman being mafia.


    Summary:
    He seemed like a smart town player with some good reads on people. He didn't really look like a town power role to me. My guess is the mafia felt threatened by his reads on some of their teammates. So they took him out before he could start a real lynch on somebody of them.

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Rose View Post
    What is the evidence against lichtmann then? Biggs made a fake witched claim so i would say that he is a bigger suspect right now.
    Lurking and posting useless video, not helping town at all. (Yes I know Galloway already said it but these are fact, I'm not sheeping I promise)

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Galloway View Post
    Whoever said Random Any cannot be Witch was really wrong. Random Any can be Neutral Evil and Witch is Neutral Evil. Witch is possible so why is his claim confirmed fake? I got lost around that point.
    Faster than me on this one. That's what I was aboput to reply to rose. (Or something similar to this)

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Galloway View Post
    Whoever said Random Any cannot be Witch was really wrong. Random Any can be Neutral Evil and Witch is Neutral Evil. Witch is possible so why is his claim confirmed fake? I got lost around that point.
    He waited untill like after half the first day had passed befeore he claimed that he got witched.
    Did you check the first post of this day? He started defending himself befeore anyone even pushed for a lynch against him. He is full of Guilt

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Rose View Post
    What is the evidence against lichtmann then? Biggs made a fake witched claim so i would say that he is a bigger suspect right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM Galloway View Post
    Whoever said Random Any cannot be Witch was really wrong. Random Any can be Neutral Evil and Witch is Neutral Evil. Witch is possible so why is his claim confirmed fake? I got lost around that point.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM Rose View Post
    He waited untill like after half the first day had passed befeore he claimed that he got witched.
    Did you check the first post of this day? He started defending himself befeore anyone even pushed for a lynch against him. He is full of Guilt
    Why do I see this as an attempt to defend Litchmann?

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Rose View Post
    He waited untill like after half the first day had passed befeore he claimed that he got witched.
    Did you check the first post of this day? He started defending himself befeore anyone even pushed for a lynch against him. He is full of Guilt
    Why do I see this as an attempt to defend Litchmann?

    *Fixed* Damn multi-quotes

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Galloway View Post
    There is direct focus on you. not other people.
    I don't see why you have trust in me when other people seem to think im a [dick] and need to die. It seems like anyone I pressure instantly wants me dead. WHATEVER!

    So Lichtmann. thoughts?
    I find your playstyle amusing and the fact that you use rage to dictate things. even with the fact that you FoSed me you are angry I'm not falling to it. Your rage is what humors me and make me enjoy the game.

    @kelso You are not paying attention for I was not the one who started the train on him. You just want to look important. Also if they want to defend me go on ahead. The truth what im seeing is you are either Delta or scum

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Lichtmann View Post
    Theres 2 alphas, the odds are there is one but then again there is chance there isn't but clubber makes more sense then enforcer dont you think?

    Also looking at role list apparently if they are not salvage they will have no affect

    can salvage power roles be clubbed?
    Yes they can.

    Lichtmann is here posting with us. Pressuring him wont do much. If you want to pressure somebody start with Biggs. He doesn't write much or even better start pressuring Galletta...

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Kelso View Post
    I never said that you started the train on him.
    Then why sheep vote me?

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Kelso View Post
    Ok let's say that both of them are suspicious... We must start somewhere though.
    Well lets look at it like this, I am here right now, all im doing is being a troll.

    Biggs has more to look at, 3 times claimed witch, we have slightly talked about it for he might of been signaling arson. Now how I look at it after reading input from others is he was trying to flag arson. notice the missing douses?

    Lets put it this way in hypotetical situations

    Witch does exist:
    Why would witch target biggs over 2 nights stop once and then do it again?
    the only exclamation could be is that
    A) Witch found a killing role (so far only gf)
    B) Witch somehow is finding info off him thought his witching
    C) Cheating

    really the only option that is vaild is A

    witch isn't in setup:
    If witch doesn't exist why is biggs claiming witch?
    A) Jester
    B) Keep up fake witch
    C) was to alert arson
    D) He is scum
    E) He is a horrible townie

    I like to think it is D and C

    What you think?

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Phelps View Post
    Yes they can.

    Lichtmann is here posting with us. Pressuring him wont do much. If you want to pressure somebody start with Biggs. He doesn't write much or even better start pressuring Galletta...
    Thanks for answering? But I would still like an official response from the hosts themselves.

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Lichtmann View Post
    Thanks for answering? But I would still like an official response from the hosts themselves.
    Mason Clubber
    You are an alpha.
    Each night, you may pick one target to club. If your target is a savage, you will bludgeon them to death. If they are anything else, your action will have no effect.
    You share a night chat with the Mason Enforcer.

    I don't understand why you think they can only club plain savages. Why do you even ask this question? Savage is the name of the cult faction -AND- the name of the culted citizen. a Savage power roleis still a member of the Savage faction so they can be clubbed. There is no need to bother the hosts with questions we can answer as well.

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Lichtmann View Post
    Then why sheep vote me?



    Well lets look at it like this, I am here right now, all im doing is being a troll.

    Biggs has more to look at, 3 times claimed witch, we have slightly talked about it for he might of been signaling arson. Now how I look at it after reading input from others is he was trying to flag arson. notice the missing douses?

    Lets put it this way in hypotetical situations

    Witch does exist:
    Why would witch target biggs over 2 nights stop once and then do it again?
    the only exclamation could be is that
    A) Witch found a killing role (so far only gf)
    B) Witch somehow is finding info off him thought his witching
    C) Cheating

    really the only option that is vaild is A

    witch isn't in setup:
    If witch doesn't exist why is biggs claiming witch?
    A) Jester
    B) Keep up fake witch
    C) was to alert arson
    D) He is scum
    E) He is a horrible townie

    I like to think it is D and C

    What you think?
    Well, if there's a witch, it would be A - He's the GF (Not only GF, Savage GF too but he keep recruiting people right now.If he was Savage, there would have been 2 kills in on night)

    If there's no witch, then C or D like you said (Maybe A too, can't be too prudent)

    But, if he was alerting the Arsonist, why did he claim today, knowing that the arsonist is dead? (Maybe not to bring suspicions upon him...)

    And again, you could be doing this to put the suspicion on Biggs. And if you are the GF and voluntary lynch a scum, it would make you look town...

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Phelps View Post
    Mason Clubber
    You are an alpha.
    Each night, you may pick one target to club. If your target is a savage, you will bludgeon them to death. If they are anything else, your action will have no effect.
    You share a night chat with the Mason Enforcer.

    I don't understand why you think they can only club plain savages. Why do you even ask this question? Savage is the name of the cult faction -AND- the name of the culted citizen. a Savage power roleis still a member of the Savage faction so they can be clubbed. There is no need to bother the hosts with questions we can answer as well.
    Because if simply states only salvage. Why are you so defensive about it? A host job is to answer questions regardless how dumb they are. For all I know you could be lying about mechanics. Official responses from host give more information then a player unless you pmed the host that question. But posting pms from host can't be done. So leave me be and let me ask. I'm starting to think you might be salvaged.

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Kelso View Post
    Well, if there's a witch, it would be A - He's the GF (Not only GF, Savage GF too but he keep recruiting people right now.If he was Savage, there would have been 2 kills in on night)

    If there's no witch, then C or D like you said (Maybe A too, can't be too prudent)

    But, if he was alerting the Arsonist, why did he claim today, knowing that the arsonist is dead? (Maybe not to bring suspicions upon him...)

    And again, you could be doing this to put the suspicion on Biggs. And if you are the GF and voluntary lynch a scum, it would make you look town...
    Funny how you only focus on me and not on biggs. I'm mostly done talking to you, I'm slotting you as scum/delta.

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Lichtmann View Post
    Because if simply states only salvage. Why are you so defensive about it? A host job is to answer questions regardless how dumb they are. For all I know you could be lying about mechanics. Official responses from host give more information then a player unless you pmed the host that question. But posting pms from host can't be done. So leave me be and let me ask. I'm starting to think you might be salvaged.
    It's really hard for me to follow you. I am sorry.
    Why should i lie about a mechanic when the question was already asked officially?

    Its savaged not salvaged.

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    Re: Day 4

    Quote Originally Posted by FM Lichtmann View Post
    Funny how you only focus on me and not on biggs. I'm mostly done talking to you, I'm slotting you as scum/delta.
    I focused on you because you are the main suspect right now.
    And it's good for town to share though about others.
    But it's true that right now Biggs is a better target regarding what you just stated about him.

    I will unvote for now but I'll stand on the fact that you could be the GF like I said earlier.
    At least until someone bring undisputable proof that you are not the GF (Or lynching the GF today if it' not you :P)

    -unvote

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    Re: Day 4

    Sorry I have not been around much today, I had afternoon classes. And now I'm going out for the evening, so see ya all in a couple of hours.
    I will however leave you with this:

    Feedback Claims:
    • Godfather
      1. killed Morgan
    • Escort / Consort
      1. blocked Donnelly
      2. blocked Phelps
    • Bus Driver / Kidnapper
      1. bussed Ackerman
      2. bussed Monroe


    Notable Posts:
    • Buchwalter
      1. Day 1 version of this list. [D1 #535]
      2. Day 2 version of this list. [D2 #783]
      3. Day 3 version of this list. [D3 #323]
    • Cafarelli
      1. Says to have gotten some interesting feedback. [#64]


    Lynch Trains:
    • Biggs
      1. Believed to have faked the witchings. (?)
    • Monroe
      1. On grounds of being a troll. (?)


    We are still missing some feedback messages, I do not know if I have missed any. Also not much in the form of notable posts have been made if you ask me, just really not a lot going on this day.

    Either way see ya all after lunch!

 

 

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