Day 4

[FM Ferengi]

Do you always suicide if you do not complete the task? Or does the same penalties apply as for claiming blackmailed?

Yes. Anyone who is blackmailed must complete the task or face penalties. This also applies to any neutrals or even mafia.

Can the Mafia attempt to kill a fellow Mafia?

Yes.

[Dunn]

nice try in hiding that in unvote

It's something I like to do. :P
But serious, im just going to go back to observing and doing my thing. Or atleast wait for Galloway to go away.

[FM Lichtmann]

@dunn check post 213 on day 2 he claims the pairing wasnt right

[FM Lichtmann]

With the lack of witch claiming right now I'm thinking biggs is indeed evil

in b4 bigg claims witch again

[FM Galloway]

LOLOL you only reply to me? What about this other convo going on right now? Really I'm not that skilled at figuring all of this out so I'm just watching for the most part. You however seem to be much better. I would suggest that you give your inquires as well.

The fact that you are here and only respond to me is funny but seems scummy to me.

@Galloway If I may ask who do you think are the scums? As well as your imput on a role list if you have one?

@Dunn One sec i will find the post from day 3

Dunn, Phelps, Hopgood, Galletta, Earle, Ackermann

Godfather
Drug Dealer
Blackmailor
Consort
Kidnapper
Savage Godfather
Mayor/Mason Clubber
Mason Enforcer
Escort
Doctor
Detective
Journalist
Coroner
Bus Driver
Investigator
Doctor
Blacksmith/Vigilante
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Witch

Why didn't you stay in circlejerk 2.0? Who let you join this game? The quality of players gets worse from game to game.

Lol. This guy

[Dunn]

@dunn check post 213 on day 2 he claims the pairing wasnt right

"guys we need to lynch cohen. lynch that liar!!

and also, i think if the interview was from an invest, he would rather say: night 1 i checked this guy and according to the result and my reads he's probably town

that would at least be somewhat useful"

What?

[FM Galloway]

It's something I like to do. :P
But serious, im just going to go back to observing and doing my thing. Or atleast wait for Galloway to go away.

This is not a town tell Dunn.

[FM Phelps]

There was 4 Town roles, and the possible existence of a Drug Dealer takes away the ability for Blacksmith to confirm self, as well as a possible Kidnapper removing Bus Driver. Veteran would need someone to die, and Vigilante would have been witched by that point...
None of those roles would have bettered their place by claiming.

So what?
A Blacksmith would have given out items before. This alone could be proof enough. He could also has given out a gun N1, N2 or N3 which would confirm him as well if they would have been used. He could have given out a gun N4 to somebody to shoot someone.

A Bus driver can always name 2 drive targets. If he was a drug dealer he had to fake one swap target. How would he do this? He would have to out a teammate which would lead to 2 revealed scum. Lynching him as a possible Kidnapper would have been too early.

Vigilantes are quite good at it to confirm themselves. I agree town is powerless against the witch. She basicly can do as she pleases because of the Ooo.

Veteran is easy as well. If he would be a Veteran. Cafarelli would have been dead.

[Dunn]

Galloway's role list has 5 mafia, and no Epsilon. Also, it has 26 town (unless i miscounted), when there are 25 in roles list, and while he includes the dead Detective left out the dead Architect.

Yet somehow my roles list is retarded, and he dismissed it as unnecessary. Bravo Galloway.

[Dunn]

This is not a town tell Dunn.

I'm waiting for you to go away so I can talk to people that don't bug the hell out of me. Litchman is doing well at that.

[FM Lichtmann]

"guys we need to lynch cohen. lynch that liar!!

and also, i think if the interview was from an invest, he would rather say: night 1 i checked this guy and according to the result and my reads he's probably town

that would at least be somewhat useful"

What?

i ment day 3 sorry but i will just put the main point he brings up

1- Cafarelli did not get my invest pairing right
2- anyone could have guessed rose was a delta after d1
3- Sheep are ignoring the obvious questions:
why did mafia not do anything to a claimed invest? drug, roleblock, bus her obvious target (me), blackmail cafarelli?

[Dunn]

This is not a town tell Dunn.

Also, if you read my posts you would know my role, and why I said 'doing my thing'. Try harder Galloway.

[FM Galloway]

Galloway's role list has 5 mafia, and no Epsilon. Also, it has 26 town (unless i miscounted), when there are 25 in roles list, and while he includes the dead Detective left out the dead Architect.

Yet somehow my roles list is retarded, and he dismissed it as unnecessary. Bravo Galloway.

Oh yeah. I did slip.
Whoops. Oh well, knew I forgot something.

I said your rolelist was useless not retarded.

[FM Lichtmann]

I'm waiting for you to go away so I can talk to people that don't bug the hell out of me. Litchman is doing well at that.

Then who is not annoying you right now? We are tring to figure it out. Right now you are just becoming more and more scummy.

[Dunn]

i ment day 3 sorry but i will just put the main point he brings up

I'm not certain which side you are taking here..

[FM Galloway]

Also, if you read my posts you would know my role, and why I said 'doing my thing'. Try harder Galloway.

Ok.

Let's go a few rounds.

Dunn why are you soft claiming so hard?
Dunn why are you insinuating that I am scum without saying it?
Dunn do you have any original thoughts and what are they?
Hey Dunn? Why did you lurk so hard and all of a sudden come back and want to lead town?

[Dunn]

Then who is not annoying you right now? We are tring to figure it out. Right now you are just becoming more and more scummy.

Really just Galloway is annoying me.
Litchman, please check my posts for my role, as I have made it pretty clear already. Then if you can, figure out why I am rejoiced to say I got Morgan right.

[FM Galloway]

If you can't handle aggression gtfo.

[Dunn]

Ok.

Let's go a few rounds.

Dunn why are you soft claiming so hard?
Dunn why are you insinuating that I am scum without saying it?
Dunn do you have any original thoughts and what are they?
Hey Dunn? Why did you lurk so hard and all of a sudden come back and want to lead town?

I'm soft claiming because the day is going to end with a hard claim by me, or I might just do it now. I can't decide.
I am not certain if you are scum or not, your play style says Town to me, but then your posts themselves have no value beyond insulting others.
My original thought was that Cafaralli was scummy, and I listed my confirmed town roles list, as well as a question to the Host to help support my obvious soft claim.
I have wanted to lead town from day 1, but my schedule is unpredictable as I have said many times over. I have about an hour or so until it becomes such once again. It is not by choice that I lurk as I have been active whenever the time was available to me.

[Dunn]

If you can't handle aggression gtfo.

I can. *breathes in* *breathes out*.

[FM Lichtmann]

I can. *breathes in* *breathes out*.

Like this?

[FM Lichtmann]

Weird ending to it. I just watched it all the way though..... I just like finding these funny vids

[FM Galloway]

I'm soft claiming because the day is going to end with a hard claim by me, or I might just do it now. I can't decide.
I am not certain if you are scum or not, your play style says Town to me, but then your posts themselves have no value beyond insulting others.
My original thought was that Cafaralli was scummy, and I listed my confirmed town roles list, as well as a question to the Host to help support my obvious soft claim.
I have wanted to lead town from day 1, but my schedule is unpredictable as I have said many times over. I have about an hour or so until it becomes such once again. It is not by choice that I lurk as I have been active whenever the time was available to me.

Now we are getting somewhere.

follow ups -

Why do you suggest my posts have no substance? Surely if you read like you suggest you do you would see my reasoning behind being aggressive. Instead you ignored it. Why?
thats an excuse. You can lead town in the off hours you don't do other things that you leave vague.


Another. Why are you hard on to say that Im annoying you. Im leaving till Galloway leaves. but you keep replying.

[FM Galloway]

-vote FM Lichtmann

Sheepy posts. Reluctance to be at any use. Posting videos instead of helpful posts. Generally active lurking.

[FM Lichtmann]

-vote FM Lichtmann

Sheepy posts. Reluctance to be at any use. Posting videos instead of helpful posts. Generally active lurking.

What would you like me to answer? I'm off work so I got time.

[FM Galloway]

Come up with [bleep] your [bleep] self Lichtmann.

What would you like me to answer? I'm off work so I got time.

[FM Earle]

Earle logging off. Won't be back in 24 hours.

Earle will not be contributing today. Maybe tomorrow. Unforeseen circumstances. Got fun stuff.

[FM Galloway]

I'll be right back.

[FM Buchwalter]

[unvote]fuck this i'll go back to saving people and stop trying to lead town[/unvote]

Sounds like a good idea. Yet I still do not know what you mean by "saving people".

[Dunn]

Now we are getting somewhere.

follow ups -

Why do you suggest my posts have no substance? Surely if you read like you suggest you do you would see my reasoning behind being aggressive. Instead you ignored it. Why?
thats an excuse. You can lead town in the off hours you don't do other things that you leave vague.


Another. Why are you hard on to say that Im annoying you. Im leaving till Galloway leaves. but you keep replying.

I feel your posts have no substance because I feel all you do is break down posts, which I suppose has a place in the game, but then I don't feel your stances are really your own more than pressuring. Like this vote on Lichtmann, it is of weak analysis when Litchmann has been active enough to have real reads done on him.
I ignore the aggressiveness because my apparent lurking is already bad enough, and as my stances appear uncoordinated Im confident they would become more so if I were mad.
What?
You are annoying me with your posting style and attitude. I was planning on just not talking to avoid getting flustered, but I can't stop myself. Sorry :/ Luckily you have stopped bugging me since then, and appear to actually be talking to me.

[Dunn]

Why don't you figure that out Buchwalter.

[FM Buchwalter]

Buchwalter: Calls Morgan town for good logic, when there really wasn't much of it.

I couldn't find the rest of why I thought Buch was cult, so put him in the 'kinda' category. Also take Ballard off the list entirely.

I mainly thought Morgan was town because of how active and helpful he was day 1. And Morgan most likely was town day 1, but we should really all have noticed how much he had changed on day 3.

[FM Galloway]

I feel your posts have no substance because I feel all you do is break down posts, which I suppose has a place in the game, but then I don't feel your stances are really your own more than pressuring. Like this vote on Lichtmann, it is of weak analysis when Litchmann has been active enough to have real reads done on him.
I ignore the aggressiveness because my apparent lurking is already bad enough, and as my stances appear uncoordinated Im confident they would become more so if I were mad.
What?
You are annoying me with your posting style and attitude. I was planning on just not talking to avoid getting flustered, but I can't stop myself. Sorry :/ Luckily you have stopped bugging me since then, and appear to actually be talking to me.

Back.

The vote on Lichtmann is pressure and not a lynch vote. I dislike how easily he jumped into my focus on you and phelps after he asked me who I found scummy. It suggested that he wanted someone to focus him on something. Instead of doing that himself, if you will. He was not very active the past two days and on day one he talked in invisi text and still didn't actually form something on his own. This is active lurking. Even now he wants something to hone his attention on when a townie would have a sense of what they need to talk about based on the day chat. Even in this early period there are a lot of things to pick and choose from to discuss but he has not attempted to do so once. Instead he defers to others and looks to them to make him active and contributing.

I feel good about placing you as town for this moment because guilty people tend to prefer attention away from themselves and you have been adamant about talking to me solely on each other, for the most part.

[FM Chapman]

No i didn't read it. A good player would split the big quote into several smaller ones with his comments right under it. It's a matter of post quality. You want your posts to be really easy to read. But somebody who posts in invisible text over a full day might have trouble to understand that.

No, a good player would read everything in the thread instead of ignoring it entirely.
Phelps is scum or bad town. Either way, his death benefits the town as a whole.

-vote FM Phelps

[FM Chapman]

What would you like me to answer? I'm off work so I got time.

Reads on everyone I thought could be cult?

[FM Buchwalter]

Feedback Claims:

• Godfather
  
  1. killed Morgan
• Escort / Consort
  
  1. blocked Donnelly
  2. blocked Phelps
• Bus Driver / Kidnapper
  
  1. bussed Ackerman
  2. bussed Monroe

Notable Posts:

• Buchwalter
  
  1. Day 1 version of this list. [D1 #535]
  2. Day 2 version of this list. [D2 #783]
  3. Day 3 version of this list. [D3 #323]
• Cafarelli
  
  1. Says to have gotten some interesting feedback. [#64]

Lynch Trains:

• Monroe
  
  1. On grounds of being a troll. (?)

Please tell me if I missed anything, feel like I read a little too fast.

[FM Galloway]

Gotta go again. But ill be back in no time.

[Dunn]

Back.

The vote on Lichtmann is pressure and not a lynch vote. I dislike how easily he jumped into my focus on you and phelps after he asked me who I found scummy. It suggested that he wanted someone to focus him on something. Instead of doing that himself, if you will. He was not very active the past two days and on day one he talked in invisi text and still didn't actually form something on his own. This is active lurking. Even now he wants something to hone his attention on when a townie would have a sense of what they need to talk about based on the day chat. Even in this early period there are a lot of things to pick and choose from to discuss but he has not attempted to do so once. Instead he defers to others and looks to them to make him active and contributing.

I feel good about placing you as town for this moment because guilty people tend to prefer attention away from themselves and you have been adamant about talking to me solely on each other, for the most part.

OK, see that is a read on Litchmann. I had him as Town much earlier as I thought he was blackmailed with the invisible text, but that reasoning has long since become inaccurate.

-vote FM Litchmann

I am also willing to switch onto Biggs at any moment, as he looks like a mafia to me.
DOUBLE PRESSURE!

[FM Lichtmann]

Reads on everyone I thought could be cult?

Well before I do that i find it interesting you only want cult scums. Also I? i take it you meant me but oh well. Let me see the alive and deads and go though they days posts.

But answer me this, why only cults? Why not mafias as well?

[FM Lichtmann]

Also i noticed this...

FM Colmyer (Delta) - Committed suicide.

Check first post.

Ummmm what?

[FM Lichtmann]

or was he the one who claimed blackmail?

[Dunn]

Also i noticed this...

FM Colmyer (Delta) - Committed suicide.

Check first post.

Ummmm what?

Continuity error. Game is broken. Abort.

[FM Hogeboom]

or was he the one who claimed blackmail?

He was.

[Dunn]

or was he the one who claimed blackmail?

Yes, he claimed the Blackmail.

[FM Phelps]

Forgot an L the other day.

-vote FM Galletta

@Chapman: Could we see your summary of Day 3 please?

[FM Chapman]

Well before I do that i find it interesting you only want cult scums. Also I? i take it you meant me but oh well. Let me see the alive and deads and go though they days posts.

But answer me this, why only cults? Why not mafias as well?

...lrn2read

We have a player that flipped cult.
I decided to see if he could show me any other cults.
I found people who I thought could be cult.
I asked you to look at those players.
It's not that complicated...

[FM Buchwalter]

Also i noticed this...

FM Colmyer (Citizen) - Committed suicide.

Check first post.

Ummmm what?

Spoiler : Blackmailer role card :

Blackmialer
You are able send a player a message to blackmail that player to do your dirty work. The note you send must include a specific task bolded in red to complete during the day. You may not assign conditional tasks as blackmail (i.e. if you are a citizen, you must claim citizen in day chat, if you are doctor, you must claim doctor in day chat, etc.) If they do not complete your task within 2 days, they will suicide. You may only blackmail one person at a time.

The blackmailed target is not allowed to claim blackmailed, hint at it themselves, or hint that a player asking if they are blackmailed is on the right track. If all players are asked to claim blackmailed to find the blackmailed player that cannot claim blackmailed, the blackmailed player is requested to claim blackmailed so as to keep up the ruse of not being blackmailed. Blackmail will be lifted at the start of the night after you complete your task.

Claiming blackmail while blackmailed has the following penalities:
An alpha, beta, or gamma who claims blackmailed will become a delta.
A savage power role who claims blackmailed will become a savage.
A savage or delta who claims blackmailed will die.
An epsilon who claims blackmailed will become a jester.
Nothing happens to evil neutrals or a savage godfather who claims blackmailed.

Tasks can be a number of things. If you give a task that a person cannot complete due to role limitations, the player will not be required to suicide.

Examples of tasks:
-Claim false feedback during the day
-Claim a role during the day
-Say a certain phrase during the day
-Vote a certain player during the day

Colmyer claimed Delta and blackmailed, see my tally from day 3 here, [#323].

[FM Chapman]

Forgot an L the other day.

-vote FM Galletta

@Chapman: Could we see your summary of Day 3 please?

Becket, a lurker, died and flipped corrupt journalist.

The sole article posted is poorly written, but the interviewee claims delta.

Ballard, Kalou, and Colmyer claimed Bus Driven. One of these was likely swapped with a mafia member by a Kidnapper.

Kelso and Black claimed roleblocked.

Morgan claimed witched.

Colmyer claimed blackmailed Day 2 and Day 3. The Day 2 blackmail was to quote Sarah Kane's Cleansed, while the Day 3 blackmail was to defend Colmyer (He assumes it was meant for someone else). According to my understanding of the rules, that means he should be killed tonight. He claims Delta.

Black claimed to have been roleblocked, but he also said he has a night action and tried to target Becket, but he also said he would not have received feedback anyway.

Cafarelli pushes a lynch hard on Cohen, claiming an investigator who saw him in the Arsonist pairing, though she calls him DD/BM. Before I saw Cohen flip Arsonist, I thought she was an executioner. She was also advocating a quickhammer.

Cohen, when he showed up, posted what I thought was a fairly good defense, but he doesn't roleclaim and changes his stance on Cafarelli multiple times.

Earle is active lurking and not contributing. He also hard defended Cohen, wondering if he is student. I'm currently thinking Earle is at least scum--maybe even Cohen's student.

Green also active lurking and not contributing.

Same with Carruthers.

Galloway is aggressive and posts long walls of text.

Morgan claimed blackmailed with the same message Colmyer claimed.

Could you get off your high horse and stop ignoring a player because you don't like the way he formats his posts?

[FM Chapman]

OK, see that is a read on Litchmann. I had him as Town much earlier as I thought he was blackmailed with the invisible text, but that reasoning has long since become inaccurate.

-vote FM Litchmann

I am also willing to switch onto Biggs at any moment, as he looks like a mafia to me.
DOUBLE PRESSURE!

You spelled his name wrong.

[Dunn]

You spelled his name wrong.

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-vote FM Lichtmann