Somebody has to start the dead chat conversation anyway.

[FM Phelps]

In a normal FM false claiming poisoned as town could have earned you MVP. With the right people. Just imagine the mafia would have started to send messages to that guy via drugs and sooner or later they would have revealed teammates to him. Free lynch scum.

No one even thought about that possibility not even my own team.

[FM Buchwalter]

Also no one defended Cohen. The lynch made no sense out of a town perspective. Cafarelli was just pushing too hard because Cohen claimed Poisoned. The whole lynchtrain on him was such a luck shot it hurt my head. You really should go back to the previous days and read again. No one applies working logic. Holes everywhere. That's why Becket died. He made the most sense out of a town perspective. We let cafarelli and Parker live because we knew they would cause more harm to town than actually help them. Which apparently they did.
Glad we didn't shoot her.

Earned us 2 Soma.

U mad that i was right Leonardo and Dunn :P

Leonardo is not dead yet.

And do not tell everyone that yet!

Other then that, yeah leaving Parker alive was a awesome idea! Apart from that night we used the Soma, if we had killed him that day I would most likely not have been lynched. Just wish I had done the math on the Soma earlier so i had given you or Leonardo the Soma instead, but whatever.

Maybe I remember wrong about what made me facepalm, just remember thinking that some of our teammates should have been mute.

[FM Phelps]

But he will read this later on.. maybe and rage

[FM Buchwalter]

In a normal FM false claiming poisoned as town could have earned you MVP. With the right people. Just imagine the mafia would have started to send messages to that guy via drugs and sooner or later they would have revealed teammates to him. Free lynch scum.

No one even thought about that possibility not even my own team.

Wish I could reread some of the night chats right now, but I at least was a little worried about rather or not Cohan was trying to bait us.

[FM Buchwalter]

But he will read this later on.. maybe and rage

Leonardo did rage nicely yeah, way to much of our night chats went on about how to use his freaking ability.

[FM Phelps]

Leonardo is not dead yet.

And do not tell everyone that yet!

Other then that, yeah leaving Parker alive was a awesome idea! Apart from that night we used the Soma, if we had killed him that day I would most likely not have been lynched. Just wish I had done the math on the Soma earlier so i had given you or Leonardo the Soma instead, but whatever.

Maybe I remember wrong about what made me facepalm, just remember thinking that some of our teammates should have been mute.

You should have insta revealed that you gave the soma to Earle. Also a fake witched claim would have been cool too the night you gave it to the gf. But sadly i didn't think about it. You see the time window is super shitty for Europeans. Night ends at 6 am for me and no one was there when i was on. So i took some "extra time" I was usually very sleepy when i posted with you guys. And to be honest it wasn't like that their was a huge firework of different ideas from the rest of the team :P

[FM Phelps]

You should have insta revealed that you gave the soma to Earle. Also a fake witched claim would have been cool too the night you gave it to the gf. But sadly i didn't think about it. You see the time window is super shitty for Europeans. Night ends at 6 am for me and no one was there when i was on. So i took some "extra time" I was usually very sleepy when i posted with you guys. And to be honest it wasn't like that there was a huge firework of different ideas from the rest of the team :P

fixed xD

[FM Phelps]

-vote FM Dumm

[FM Buchwalter]

You should have insta revealed that you gave the soma to Earle. Also a fake witched claim would have been cool too the night you gave it to the gf. But sadly i didn't think about it. You see the time window is super shitty for Europeans. Night ends at 6 am for me and no one was there when i was on. So i took some "extra time" I was usually very sleepy when i posted with you guys. And to be honest it wasn't like that there was a huge firework of different ideas from the rest of the team :P

Only reason i did not reveal it a lot earlier was because Godfather had said i should not reveal it. Rather or not it was a good thing that Parker was forced into revealing as Mayor on the other hand, may not have been so bad.

Sadly Dunn had given him self totally up by this time, and everyone was on your trail. All those town reveals were very very weird though. Was hoping me voting for Dunn would make everyone lynch the Bus Driver, but then you guys killed him to make a new blackmail.

[FM Phelps]

Sure, Just imagine what a doctor and a confirmed Bus driver can do. Especially with 2 Escorts and a revealed Kidnapper. Bd had to go.

[FM Phelps]

I bet Someone will reveal to be (savage)sheriff tomorrow (FM Leary) and tries to lynch a mafia. Or maybe the next day. Depends how derpy they are.

[FM Ferengi]

I just have not talked with him much, I mostly lurk the forums, but I have seen him post here and there.

As for my name's color.

Why was my name in red? [Here]

You cast the "hammer vote" to deadlynch FM Earle. Coloring hammer votes in red used to be a thing back before Oops made a vote counter.

[FM Lichtmann]

Ika. It's uninstall browser time!

I hate doc btw. i suck with it

[FM Phelps]

Doc is a shitty role to begin with.

[FM Lichtmann]

Doc is a shitty role to begin with.

meh

[FM Lichtmann]

Doc is a shitty role to begin with.

i agree. but if its used properly can be oped as fuck

[FM Cafarelli]

I'm disappointed that no one has looked back to the day I was lynched. Mafia knew that cafarelli didn't check me or didn't get the results... and more than 1 mafia hinted that they knew that. I overlooked it because I didn't know Cafarelli took a lucky guess at my invest pairing and got it right.

can you quote? since i knew i was lying i kept my eyes open and i even found phelp's slip which lead to a check on him and me pointing out why he is consort and not escort

Also no one defended Cohen. The lynch made no sense out of a town perspective. Cafarelli was just pushing too hard because Cohen claimed Poisoned. The whole lynchtrain on him was such a luck shot it hurt my head. You really should go back to the previous days and read again. No one applies working logic. Holes everywhere. That's why Becket died. He made the most sense out of a town perspective. We let cafarelli and Parker live because we knew they would cause more harm to town than actually help them. Which apparently they did.
Glad we didn't shoot her.

Earned us 2 Soma.

U mad that i was right Leonardo and Dunn :P

the more i read from you in deadchat the more i come to the conclusion that you're a tard. not even talking about your bad performance in this fm (first you lurked, then you slipped and then you acted to scummy that even parker lynched you).

this post is wrong in so many aspects. let's start

1) a lot of tards defended cohen, it was a very hard lynch.
2) it made a hell a lot of sense, there was some damn condemning evidence:
a) the drug deal. we knew there was the possibility of 2 drug dealers but though incorrect it was totally legit to assume this isn't the case
b) the investigation. sure it was a lie but town didn't know that.
c) the missing role claim
d) his behaviour eliminate town gambit and jester/ghost
conclusion: the only chance for the lynch to be wrong in my perspective is that there were 2 drug dealers. in town's perspective i had to lie in addition to that (which i did but they couldn't know) because he said i'm wrong so one of us must have lied. yes it was the case that there are 2 dds but we had no chance to know so the lynch was totally legit, for both me and town. sure after knowing there are 2 drug dealers we indeed know it was luck that he wasn't really drugged (though it wasn't really such big luck that it should 'hurt your head') but that doesn't change the fact that the lynch was absolutely legit and HAD to happen
3) i never caused any harm to the town (however parker did) and i'm sure you can't show me ANY examples for this. maybe you said that in your night chat (i will check later) but that means you were wrong. which either indicates your incompetence in analyzing people or my skill in making you not killing me. actually the town benefitted a lot from me. i also could compensate parkers bad influence. to make my argument not as worthless as yours some examples:
a) finding and lynching cohen scum
b) finding consort because i found slip and pointed out that it's a consort and not escort which lead to lynch ultimately (YES i took you to grave with myself)
c) convinced parker to lynch dunn scum and not leary maybe-scum
d) convinved town to lynch buchwalter scum and not earle journalist
( e) if i was alive lichtmann wouldnt have been lynched)

and something else: you shot me finally though you could drug deal me. why? you realized i guided parker to do the right things and that he would fail without me. you knew the town benefitted from me. that's just an assumption, it is also possible that you're all dumb and didn't see that

4) i did not 'push too hard on that lynch'. scum had to go and i ensured this. not my fault that it took 2 days and a gambit because town wasn't more smart. they actually should have lynched him d2, because the drug on me was enough proof (2 dds very unlikely) and noone would have lied like this because for scum it would mean suicide, exe would have claimed a pairing and jester/ghost was unlikely anyway because of my playstyle

In a normal FM false claiming poisoned as town could have earned you MVP. With the right people. Just imagine the mafia would have started to send messages to that guy via drugs and sooner or later they would have revealed teammates to him. Free lynch scum.

No one even thought about that possibility not even my own team.

once again you're talking bs. i asked cohen for 'reasons for a town to do this' and he answered pretty much what you just wrote. i thought about it but he didn't act at all like this. not even mentioning that he would have revealed this + his role

[FM Phelps]

The only tard here is clearly you. =)

[FM Phelps]

can you quote? since i knew i was lying i kept my eyes open and i even found phelp's slip which lead to a check on him and me pointing out why he is consort and not escort



the more i read from you in deadchat the more i come to the conclusion that you're a tard. not even talking about your bad performance in this fm (first you lurked, then you slipped and then you acted to scummy that even parker lynched you).

this post is wrong in so many aspects. let's start

1) a lot of tards defended cohen, it was a very hard lynch.
2) it made a hell a lot of sense, there was some damn condemning evidence:
a) the drug deal. we knew there was the possibility of 2 drug dealers but though incorrect it was totally legit to assume this isn't the case
b) the investigation. sure it was a lie but town didn't know that.
c) the missing role claim
d) his behaviour eliminate town gambit and jester/ghost
conclusion: the only chance for the lynch to be wrong in my perspective is that there were 2 drug dealers. in town's perspective i had to lie in addition to that (which i did but they couldn't know) because he said i'm wrong so one of us must have lied. yes it was the case that there are 2 dds but we had no chance to know so the lynch was totally legit, for both me and town. sure after knowing there are 2 drug dealers we indeed know it was luck that he wasn't really drugged (though it wasn't really such big luck that it should 'hurt your head') but that doesn't change the fact that the lynch was absolutely legit and HAD to happen
3) i never caused any harm to the town (however parker did) and i'm sure you can't show me ANY examples for this. maybe you said that in your night chat (i will check later) but that means you were wrong. which either indicates your incompetence in analyzing people or my skill in making you not killing me. actually the town benefitted a lot from me. i also could compensate parkers bad influence. to make my argument not as worthless as yours some examples:
a) finding and lynching cohen scum
b) finding consort because i found slip and pointed out that it's a consort and not escort which lead to lynch ultimately (YES i took you to grave with myself)
c) convinced parker to lynch dunn scum and not leary maybe-scum
d) convinved town to lynch buchwalter scum and not earle journalist
( e) if i was alive lichtmann wouldnt have been lynched)

and something else: you shot me finally though you could drug deal me. why? you realized i guided parker to do the right things and that he would fail without me. you knew the town benefitted from me. that's just an assumption, it is also possible that you're all dumb and didn't see that

4) i did not 'push too hard on that lynch'. scum had to go and i ensured this. not my fault that it took 2 days and a gambit because town wasn't more smart. they actually should have lynched him d2, because the drug on me was enough proof (2 dds very unlikely) and noone would have lied like this because for scum it would mean suicide, exe would have claimed a pairing and jester/ghost was unlikely anyway because of my playstyle



once again you're talking bs. i asked cohen for 'reasons for a town to do this' and he answered pretty much what you just wrote. i thought about it but he didn't act at all like this. not even mentioning that he would have revealed this + his role

You can't measure if i have failed this FM or not you didn't see the mafia night chat. As usual you do early conclusions while not knowing what is going on. This seems to be your major skill in FM's taking 2 dots which you like the most and connect them with a line and the other skill is raging like a kid.
If you roll mafia you gonna die sooner or later. That's quite common. I didn't lurk on purpose real life had other plans for me the first ingame days for me than to nerd over silly text walls. Sorry if i couldn't fullfill your high FM standards....

There is no point arguing with people who think that FM plays like the sc2mafia mod. Because that's exactly how it went. You were more lucky than anything.

I think i let FM Cohen answer you why the train was stupid.

I didn't shoot you. I would have just drugged you until the very end until you suicided or would have fucked up differently. I still think it was a waste but one mafia member pissed his pants for no reason so we shot you.

Also feel free to quote that "slip" of mine. With reasoning behind it. "THIS POST IS SCUMMY!" won't do it this time.

[FM Cafarelli]

The only tard here is clearly you. =)

clearly not

You can't measure if i have failed this FM or not you didn't see the mafia night chat. As usual you do early conclusions while not knowing what is going on. This seems to be your major skill in FM's taking 2 dots which you like the most and connect them with a line and the other skill is raging like a kid.
If you roll mafia you gonna die sooner or later. That's quite common. I didn't lurk on purpose real life had other plans for me the first ingame days for me than to nerd over silly text walls. Sorry if i couldn't fullfill your high FM standards....

There is no point arguing with people who think that FM plays like the sc2mafia mod. Because that's exactly how it went. You were more lucky than anything.

I think i let FM Cohen answer you why the train was stupid.

I didn't shoot you. I would have just drugged you until the very end until you suicided or would have fucked up differently. I still think it was a waste but one mafia member pissed his pants for no reason so we shot you.

Also feel free to quote that "slip" of mine. With reasoning behind it. "THIS POST IS SCUMMY!" won't do it this time.

i sincerely apologize that i can just assume what you guys write in night chat as of now (no need to state sarcasm and i know by this i did). i even wrote that it's mere speculation.
however i see your day performance and i didn't like it.

you can call me 'raging kid' as often as you wish that doens't bother me.

also whole FM is making "2 dots and finding the connection". you find clue A and clue B and have to make the logical conclusion, the 'line between the points'. i am very good at logical thinking, you know

and i really wouldn't have suicided. unless i was a walking dead who surely got lynched next day or other reasons when my suicide benefits the town even more than my survival

all in all this is another worthless post without any reasoning or examples, without any real arguments. you could reduce your post in one sentence aswell: "you are a retarded fm player, you don't know what's going on and you do early conclusions, however i cannot prove this by examples"

i stated multiple times which post i meant, it was the "it could be a gambit, cafarelli doesnt look like he does gambits, he plays out the belly as it seems" post. only mafia knew it could be a gambit

[FM Phelps]

Duh. I don't care enough to show you.

That post? Really? That's hardly a slip. It was an observation of your playstyle. We didn't even know for sure that you were an invest. My whole reasoning against you was that you were an executioner. Do you really think we wouldn't have shot you the night before if we would have known that you were investigator? There you go again... 2 dots 1 line. MY playstile is based around to take as many possibilities into consideration. This post was just another possibility. I didn't even know our night actions to 100% on that day because i was completely destroyed from my rl vacation. XD

Fun fact 5 out of 6 mafia thought you were Savage. Lololol.

[FM Ferengi]

The game is set to go to 24 hour nights/days when the player count hits 13. Although I feel like maybe it should have switched already. At least I will be off vacation when the game switches to 24 hour cycles.

Based on what you know, who do you think will win? At this point I still feel like it's still anyone's game. I will refrain from guessing until at least a few people guess first. Be sure to include your reasoning!

[FM Monroe]

To be fair Cafarelli, it was NOT clear as day that you were right about Cohen with that whole drug affair. Not in the least because none of us knew for sure what YOU were.

Cohen didn't become scummy until he said he trusted you completely for no particular reason and tried to direct all his efforts towards me, a third party who had led a mislynch on a scummy citizen.

I do agree Phelps looked a bit scummy in his responses towards yourself. Else I wouldn't have blocked him. But it was actually because I thought you and him were conspiring, not because your case as an investigator was very convincing.

You should have waited with your claim until you had some actual information to share. Your shaky claim did more harm than good in your case against Cohen, because nobody knew if you could be trusted.

[FM Monroe]

The game is set to go to 24 hour nights/days when the player count hits 13. Although I feel like maybe it should have switched already. At least I will be off vacation when the game switches to 24 hour cycles.

Based on what you know, who do you think will win? At this point I still feel like it's still anyone's game. I will refrain from guessing until at least a few people guess first. Be sure to include your reasoning!

Mafia. Town will end up in a no-win scenario as the two evil factions whittle away at their numbers while only the lurkers who didn't pay attention all game will remain as directionless sheep. The savages will lose their edge when their boss dies due to some lynch led by the mafia and future mafia night kills will likely hit some of the more important savage players as well, as they try to remove the more vocal players from the game.

The witch is going to end up as food for a mislynch as the two evil factions try to preserve themselves during the day.

[FM Phelps]

To be fair Cafarelli, it was NOT clear as day that you were right about Cohen with that whole drug affair. Not in the least because none of us knew for sure what YOU were.

Cohen didn't become scummy until he said he trusted you completely for no particular reason and tried to direct all his efforts towards me, a third party who had led a mislynch on a scummy citizen.

I do agree Phelps looked a bit scummy in his responses towards yourself. Else I wouldn't have blocked him. But it was actually because I thought you and him were conspiring, not because your case as an investigator was very convincing.

You should have waited with your claim until you had some actual information to share. Your shaky claim did more harm than good in your case against Cohen, because nobody knew if you could be trusted.

I would have done the same responses as town. Fun fact. I never killed one single town. Not even voted one. So who are the evils in here huh? Not me! :P

[FM Phelps]

Also i am pretty sure that the savages needed a cult strength of 3 to actually kill people. When was that edited out of the setup?

[FM Bishop]

Never was in there to being with as far as I am concerned.

[FM Ferengi]

The Savages never had to hit 3 players to begin killing. I think you're thinking of the rebels in FM 17?

@Monroe: But I guess what I know that you don't is that the savages are not going to be killing for a while so they can do some more recruits. With a mafia KPN of 1 and a town lynch, and potential misrecruits for the savages looking likely, town could hold out their lead long enough to win. If town was better at scum hunting, they would not be in bad shape at all. Factoring in a few imminent mislynches, things turn into more of a wash.

[FM Cafarelli]

Duh. I don't care enough to show you.

That post? Really? That's hardly a slip. It was an observation of your playstyle. We didn't even know for sure that you were an invest. My whole reasoning against you was that you were an executioner. Do you really think we wouldn't have shot you the night before if we would have known that you were investigator? There you go again... 2 dots 1 line. MY playstile is based around to take as many possibilities into consideration. This post was just another possibility. I didn't even know our night actions to 100% on that day because i was completely destroyed from my rl vacation. XD

Fun fact 5 out of 6 mafia thought you were Savage. Lololol.

it is a slip. no town would have considered town gamble in that situation. it was either invest (also savage inv or consig) who tells the truth or exe (exe accusation =/= town gambit). your post told me you have more information. it was not enough for a lynch but still for a check which resulted in your lynch ultimately. additionally it justified me believing you're rather scum than escort that's the reason i outed you which block if not immune/lynch recommendation

also i don't like your playstyle then (and you don't like mine as it seems). it is totally worthless to consider multiple theories without actually weighing the probabilities and then acting according to those probabilities. this is what I do. i do think of all possible theories but if they seem unlikely i don't act on them. if you just lynch if you're 100% sure town always loses, there is (almost) no 100%. you HAVE to act on probabilities

and yes i know many people thought i was savage and it was of course possible but unlikely after i survived the night
however the exe/jester/ghost assumption for mafia is just plain stupid because those don't know when they are drugged + exe target always town
if it wasn't so plain stupid i might even have continued as a jester to stay alive

and i still don't like that 2 points/line metaphora. ALL logical conclusions are lines between dots

To be fair Cafarelli, it was NOT clear as day that you were right about Cohen with that whole drug affair. Not in the least because none of us knew for sure what YOU were.

Cohen didn't become scummy until he said he trusted you completely for no particular reason and tried to direct all his efforts towards me, a third party who had led a mislynch on a scummy citizen.

I do agree Phelps looked a bit scummy in his responses towards yourself. Else I wouldn't have blocked him. But it was actually because I thought you and him were conspiring, not because your case as an investigator was very convincing.

You should have waited with your claim until you had some actual information to share. Your shaky claim did more harm than good in your case against Cohen, because nobody knew if you could be trusted.

well i can just say what i would've done. i wouldn't have trusted me completely either but i would have figured that it's more likely that i was really invest and cohen scum. then after the cohen lynch and after some (or one) days of my survival from masons i would've figured the probability of consig/sav inv to almost 0
here some data what i would've thought of myself
d1: acts like town citizen, what i intended
d2 (after feedback prevention + invest claim): 45% town, 40% savage, 15% neutral benign => lynch 85% legit because savages wouldn't pull a mislynch and also have the necessary information
d3 (after fake check): 60% town, 20% savage (because masons didn't kill me), 20% benign (increased because cohen said i was wrong) => lynch 80% legit but in reality even more because cohen acted scummy and didn't roleclaim
d4 (day after cohen flipped arso): 93% town, 1% savage, 1% jester/ghost, 0% exe (because led lynch on arsonist and still didn't die) and also 5% consig (comes up first only here because cohen flipped not mafia but arsonist)
d5 83% town, 1% savage, 1% jester/ghost, 0% exe but 15% maf (because i was not active on d4)
d6 (day after i convinced mayor to lynch buchwalter) 99% town 1% other

feel free to post your own, would be interesting

i don't think revealing really harmed the town because in the end we lynched cohen. however maybe it was indeed not the best to reveal, i don't know what would've happened. i probably would have got more information but parker would have done more mislynches.
however back then i definitely thought it was better to reveal because i didn't know you wouldn't trust me. i though we would just lynch cohen that day and fine. the proof was excellence (if you trusted me) i also hoped i got a busdriver afterwards so they cannot drug/kill me without using kidnapper which they wouldn't. also i thought i could die soon with all information lost because i might know about the drug dealer and i was not a lurky/bad player at all (maybe they even checked me along with drugging me if they had consig). if that happened, good night town. and i thought that we probably have a sheriff too (because invest and detective both can't find safe mafs and especially not power savages) who can stay hidden and come up with a shitload of info lategame

@switzerland: i think town give away their chances of winning by mislynching lichtmann. not that i didn't see it coming that parker mislynches

[FM Ferengi]

@Cafarelli: You might be right, now that I think about it.

As a side note, I wish Soma had been more of a thing in this FM. I mean, people used it and it caught scum. Mafia sent fake soma, the mayor sent real soma and used the note to send codes... I guess I imagined more of a secret network using soma passes and the architect and jailor where people had this second layer to the game but it never fully materialized past Galloway and Parker communicating.

[FM Cafarelli]

right about what?

i really liked the soma thing. sad i didn't get a soma with a message + cool code

sad the architect died so early, this is my first game that has architect in it, it think it would be quite interesting to be in an anonymous discussion

[FM Bishop]

As a side note, I wish Soma had been more of a thing in this FM. I mean, people used it and it caught scum. Mafia sent fake soma, the mayor sent real soma and used the note to send codes... I guess I imagined more of a secret network using soma passes and the architect and jailor where people had this second layer to the game but it never fully materialized past Galloway and Parker communicating.

I think the main reason for that is that Soma times out too fast and even has a whole night where it sits around uselessly. If you could pass out Soma the night you receive it, you might have seen more Soma usage in terms of communication.

[FM Lichtmann]

also this

-Deadlynch FM Cafarelli

lets see who you really are

[FM Lichtmann]

also this

-Deadlynch FM Cafarelli

lets see who you really are

work damn it

[FM Bishop]

-deadlynch Kelso

[FM Ferengi]

I think the main reason for that is that Soma times out too fast and even has a whole night where it sits around uselessly. If you could pass out Soma the night you receive it, you might have seen more Soma usage in terms of communication.

Soma mechanics had to be balanced around the most OP usage of alphas passing all their soma and using it to collect role claims. Thus the strict limitation via expiration dates.

@Cafarelli: I was referring to town possibly losing their shot at winning due to the doctor mislynch.

[FM Lichtmann]

@Cafarelli: I was referring to town losing their shot at winning due to the doctor mislynch.

i think that is more correct.

[FM Monroe]

feel free to post your own, would be interesting

I don't see the point in giving percentages for each day.

But I'll say that during day 2 the chance of there being an investigator in the game was actually lower than seeing a savage or mafia posing as an investigator.

A detective was dead, there were 2 journalists and in my mind there had to be a coroner as well. That would probably leave no more than 1 slot for another direct investigative role and the information with which you claimed seemed far too meagre to claim with.

Add to that the fact that you were claiming the extremely unlikely event that you were no feedback drugged night 1 (which turned out to be a ridiculously lucky guess from the mafia) and the fact that there was an article from an investigator claiming night 1 results that looked like they were referring to me because of the mason+monroe bussing, and all in all it just looked like you were claiming excuses to hide your actual information.

The main reason I did nothing to oppose your lynch on Cohen was because I was convinced that you were both scum by that time. With 2 of the roles you claimed for Cohen's pairing not actually being part of the invest pairing you accused him to be in, you weren't getting much town cred from me personally.

I only started trusting you when you exposed Dunn's journalist article.

[FM Ferengi]

Speaking of dead investigative roles... I'm surprised nobody has attempted to submit post-mortem night actions. Not that you will be able to have any effect on the game, but (at least while I was processing night) I gave out investigative results on the night you died.

Someone commented earlier about not being able to deadlynch for roles... Now that the puzzle game has been completed, I thought I'd clue you into this possibility.

[FM Monroe]

I had no idea post mortem night actions were a thing

Blocking galloway would be too easy and it wouldn't have much of an effect since he would not be sent for the night kill, and someone else might already block him.

I think I'd try blocking Mendez.

[FM Bishop]

The investigation occurs before the killing, so I didn't think too much of it.

[FM Bishop]

I'll just submit it in the dead chat, so that everybody can see it:
-track Kelso

[FM Cohen]

-Douse FM Parker
and
-ignight asap during day

[FM Hogeboom]

-Douse FM Parker
and
-ignight asap during day

Can we please activate repping so I could +1 him? For the lulz!

[FM Ferengi]

You can receive any night action result PM listed in the feedback templates, but you won't be able to role block or ignite anyone (unless its a "your target was immune to roleblock" feedback. Just to clarify.

(Which is why post-mortem night actions is really only an Easter egg for investigative PRs)...

[FM Bishop]

Too bad that our Coroner turned Delta. Otherwise we still would have had access to the last will of players.
The Savages have to recruit someone as Coroner so that Town/Mafia can lynch/kill him. Do something for the Dead Chat! It's a community effort!

[FM Ferengi]

Too bad that our Coroner turned Delta. Otherwise we still would have had access to the last will of players.
The Savages have to recruit someone as Coroner so that Town/Mafia can lynch/kill him. Do something for the Dead Chat! It's a community effort!

Speaking of last wills... the coroner was extremely disappointed you didn't leave one

[FM Bishop]

I know. It just occurred to me after getting up in the morning (roughly a minute before I checked my PMs) that I didn't leave one. Sadly I didn't have a chance to remedy that. Dying sucks.

[FM Phelps]

Spoiler : textwall cafarelli :

it is a slip. no town would have considered town gamble in that situation. it was either invest (also savage inv or consig) who tells the truth or exe (exe accusation =/= town gambit). your post told me you have more information. it was not enough for a lynch but still for a check which resulted in your lynch ultimately. additionally it justified me believing you're rather scum than escort that's the reason i outed you which block if not immune/lynch recommendation

also i don't like your playstyle then (and you don't like mine as it seems). it is totally worthless to consider multiple theories without actually weighing the probabilities and then acting according to those probabilities. this is what I do. i do think of all possible theories but if they seem unlikely i don't act on them. if you just lynch if you're 100% sure town always loses, there is (almost) no 100%. you HAVE to act on probabilities

and yes i know many people thought i was savage and it was of course possible but unlikely after i survived the night
however the exe/jester/ghost assumption for mafia is just plain stupid because those don't know when they are drugged + exe target always town
if it wasn't so plain stupid i might even have continued as a jester to stay alive

and i still don't like that 2 points/line metaphora. ALL logical conclusions are lines between dots



well i can just say what i would've done. i wouldn't have trusted me completely either but i would have figured that it's more likely that i was really invest and cohen scum. then after the cohen lynch and after some (or one) days of my survival from masons i would've figured the probability of consig/sav inv to almost 0
here some data what i would've thought of myself
d1: acts like town citizen, what i intended
d2 (after feedback prevention + invest claim): 45% town, 40% savage, 15% neutral benign => lynch 85% legit because savages wouldn't pull a mislynch and also have the necessary information
d3 (after fake check): 60% town, 20% savage (because masons didn't kill me), 20% benign (increased because cohen said i was wrong) => lynch 80% legit but in reality even more because cohen acted scummy and didn't roleclaim
d4 (day after cohen flipped arso): 93% town, 1% savage, 1% jester/ghost, 0% exe (because led lynch on arsonist and still didn't die) and also 5% consig (comes up first only here because cohen flipped not mafia but arsonist)
d5 83% town, 1% savage, 1% jester/ghost, 0% exe but 15% maf (because i was not active on d4)
d6 (day after i convinced mayor to lynch buchwalter) 99% town 1% other

feel free to post your own, would be interesting

i don't think revealing really harmed the town because in the end we lynched cohen. however maybe it was indeed not the best to reveal, i don't know what would've happened. i probably would have got more information but parker would have done more mislynches.
however back then i definitely thought it was better to reveal because i didn't know you wouldn't trust me. i though we would just lynch cohen that day and fine. the proof was excellence (if you trusted me) i also hoped i got a busdriver afterwards so they cannot drug/kill me without using kidnapper which they wouldn't. also i thought i could die soon with all information lost because i might know about the drug dealer and i was not a lurky/bad player at all (maybe they even checked me along with drugging me if they had consig). if that happened, good night town. and i thought that we probably have a sheriff too (because invest and detective both can't find safe mafs and especially not power savages) who can stay hidden and come up with a shitload of info lategame

@switzerland: i think town give away their chances of winning by mislynching lichtmann. not that i didn't see it coming that parker mislynches

Slippost lulz

Your feedback claim could be a lie. But you don't hit me as someone who does gambits. You are more the kind of girl who plays out of the belly it seems. I am not sure though. Ghost makes the most sense out of all the roles with his behaviour.

That's funny. I didn't even had you pegged as town at day. Where did i say you were town again? I thought you were exe or jester. It seemed to be too stupid for a real town investigator. Stop making things up!
Revealing with no information for a liar making an invest pairing up which luckily was correct. How were the odds about that huh? Completely luckshot. Cohen would have reacted a lot differently if you would have chosen another one. Say thanks to the host who thought its ok to make the invest pairings op for the invest because they didn't add a sheriff for town.

So you revealed for an Arso who would have never doused until late game and killed nobody. Because you thought he was DD or Blackmailer. You didn't lynch him because you thought he was Arsonist. Just pure randomness aka luck.

Just because the wrong thought processes lead you to the right night actions or decisions doesn't make you a good player. The same thing which happened to Parker on Day 9 could have happened to you as well with ease.

After that you became almost useless. Your check on me fine. Like i said i would have done the same as town. Not joining early lynch trains and try to add possibilities to the day chat. If they were likely or not doesn't matter it helps town to get to the right conclusions sooner or later if they aren't full retarded.

You were the most powerful scum finding role in this game for town. IF you would have stayed hidden and kept checking people. You could have easily found at least 4 scum with ease. Or clear a lot of lurkers. All you got were The ego Arso and me to an extent. Congratulations!

Monroe did a better play just discredited himself with that stupid Mayor joke. Too bad.

I got myself lynched because i ignored the day chat completely on Day 7 and didn't catch the silly idea from the mayor to block Ackerman which was dumb to begin with. Just for the fact that the real drug dealer could have just skipped his night action to frame him or another mafia would claim a drug effect on himself. Too bad Gaylloway fake claimed witched. He wasn't witched. No one of us was witched that night. Getting lynched was my own fault not exactly your doing.

If i would have blocked Ackerman i would at least have been around until Day 8.


Also FM 17 was worse than FM 6.

[FM Ballard]

-investigate Ackerman