Night 2

[FM Leonardo]

This all looks good to me. It's going to really throw off Cohen.

However we have to worry about the possibility of Cohen being a neutral trying to message us. If we do this we are basically condemning him.


Leo, have you talked with the fm about his gag? To me it seems like he passed the blackmail, in a clever way.

I don't see the point of sending the fake blackmail to Cohen. He knows we know that he's lying. It's not going to throw him off at all. It'll just make him think we're stupid. If we're going to send him anything, it should either be a drug that's obviously fake, or it should be a blackmail that gives him some information about us (ie. "Do not vote Galloway" or something). It's a bit early to directly reveal ourselves like that, so I think an obviously fake drug would work nicely.

Or we could ignore cohen until we have more information (our best option in my opinion) and use our second drug dealer to continue to confuse the town. I confess myself a bit upset that we don't have a consigliere. It would be very helpful right now in regards to Cohen. Come to think of it, Cohen probably thinks we have a consigliere and is hoping we check him. Which could mean he's an evil wanting to side with us, but he could also be a veteran. Sending a drug dealer to him might be a huge mistake.

I think we should leave him alone for now until we have more information. Perhaps we can subtly convince town to have their investigative roles check him and see if we can spot hints as to the results in the day chat.

[FM Ferengi]

If Bishop claims investigator as part of a long list of other "claims", will he qualify as having completed my task?

Yes. You just blackmailed him to "claim investigator"

If Bishop claims investigator by itself, but alludes that it's part of his "gag", will that count as completing my task?

As long as he "claims investigator" which is the only thing you blackmailed him to do, it will count as completing the task.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Why is Chapman the kill target? None of us have mentioned killing Chapman, and he doesn't strike me as much of a threat to us. I think Monroe or Colmyer would be better kill targets.

Keeps talking about if he is a vig. And how he will shoot people. But I didn't see any of us on his list. Also It screamed citizen trying to take a hit to me. Not worth a kill. Good eye.

Colmyer may be a good target. I also think killing Parker may be important.

He made a post in day chat (Post #425) about people being trustworthy and named Cohen, Galloway and someone named Metzger?

I looked around for something close to Metzger and couldn't find anything. Possible night chat account slip?



Just read your recent post. Leo you are assuming that he is a evil neutral and it's very possible. However, he is also taking up a "town leader" role which makes me believe he is a town that can prove itself like Mayor. My original blackmail idea was on the possibility that he is this and we could force a lynch on him easily. If he is an evil neutral as you suspect, then perhaps we need to reevaluate our plans. Ignoring Cohen is very possible, i'm sure an investigative role will visit him eventually.

However then we need to come up with a new plan. I think with our setup we can seriously control votes. Imagine the blackmailer and both of the drugs sending blackmails to sheep vote on someone. I highly doubt Cohen is a veteran. If he is he is taking a huge risk that towns wont visit him.

Since Bishop has completed his blackmail apparently, he should be high priority for our kills.

[FM Leonardo]

I was not aware that I had to be so specific. I was led to believe loopholes would not be allowed. I guess I'll start writing journalist article length blackmails to close every goddamn loophole.

Maybe I'll write my task in code so they have to solve the code before they even know what the fuck they have to do. It doesn't say I can't do that, so it must be allowed. I'll work on finding/creating the most difficult possible cipher in which to write my blackmails.

As for Cohen, I just think we need more information. We don't know enough about him to know if he's trustworthy. And I should remind you that things are not always as they seem. Town leaders are not always actually town. Sometimes they are just very good scum. Particularly in the case of neutral evils, who don't have a team they can rely on, and must blend in to survive.

Bishop hasn't completed it yet. He will complete it tomorrow. We can kill him tomorrow night, if you wish. Or I could send him a more complex blackmail (since apparently that's not only allowed, but necessary) which will still keep him from claiming, and possibly force him so suicide if he can't solve it in time.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I was not aware that I had to be so specific. I was led to believe loopholes would not be allowed. I guess I'll start writing journalist article length blackmails to close every goddamn loophole.

Maybe I'll write my task in code so they have to solve the code before they even know what the fuck they have to do. It doesn't say I can't do that, so it must be allowed. I'll work on finding/creating the most difficult possible cipher in which to write my blackmails.

As for Cohen, I just think we need more information. We don't know enough about him to know if he's trustworthy. And I should remind you that things are not always as they seem. Town leaders are not always actually town. Sometimes they are just very good scum. Particularly in the case of neutral evils, who don't have a team they can rely on, and must blend in to survive.

Bishop hasn't completed it yet. He will complete it tomorrow. We can kill him tomorrow night, if you wish. Or I could send him a more complex blackmail (since apparently that's not only allowed, but necessary) which will still keep him from claiming, and possibly force him so suicide if he can't solve it in time.

Ok. The cipher will probably not be allowed and we got plenty of nights still, so no problem. However if you can send him another blackmail that would be great. I'll think about something that can't be so easily abused. I will think of something.

So what do you think about Parkers post? Just coincidence? You are the only one here so I want to get another opinion on it.

If you don't want Cohen attacked then we should consider a new person. Colmyers and Parker are the two that are below the radar enough in my eyes. Trying to kill Morgan, as much as I'd like to, might show some resistance.

Switzerland, will you be replacing Phelps for us?

[FM Vespasian]

Wake up guys.

I think we should use the drug dealer to send a fake blackmail to Cohen saying "Do not reveal your role. Do not reveal that you lied about being poisoned".

This will allow our other drug dealer to send a poison feedback out and cause town to become very suspicious of Cohen. So my idea for this nights actions

Kill Bishop
Fake blackmail Cohen "Do not reveal your role. Do not reveal that you lied about being poisoned or deny the existence of a poisoner" *I want to be more specific. Less chance of him sneaking through it.*
Fake Poison to Morgan or possibly one of the lurkers. They would expect us to go after lurkers with poison to ensure we get a kill, so it seems reasonable.
Roleblock Monroe. Reasoning explained earlier.
Unsure of who to bus yet. I'll think about it. Perhaps we could do classic swap and kill. So swap Bishop and Lichtmann and then attack Lichtmann.

I support these actions. Bussing the person we wanna kill on the other hand may be a bad idea, we already had a day with only 3 confirmed bussings, or it could work good for us?

I would say the BM attempt on Bishop failed and it would be a good thing to just get rid of him.

Fake poison Morgan sounds awesome, and we will get to see how Cohen react to that.

As for the second DDer I would suggest a fake BM maybe. Since we can not use our BMer, we can use DDer to make a simple fake BM with no matter.

[FM Leonardo]

Hmm... Kills go before blackmail in the OoO. So technically if I submit a blackmail tonight and the current blackmail victim dies, I should be able to blackmail tonight. Right? Can I blackmail tonight if the currently blackmailed person dies?

[FM Vespasian]

Just read your recent post. Leo you are assuming that he is a evil neutral and it's very possible. However, he is also taking up a "town leader" role which makes me believe he is a town that can prove itself like Mayor. My original blackmail idea was on the possibility that he is this and we could force a lynch on him easily. If he is an evil neutral as you suspect, then perhaps we need to reevaluate our plans. Ignoring Cohen is very possible, i'm sure an investigative role will visit him eventually.

However then we need to come up with a new plan. I think with our setup we can seriously control votes. Imagine the blackmailer and both of the drugs sending blackmails to sheep vote on someone. I highly doubt Cohen is a veteran. If he is he is taking a huge risk that towns wont visit him.

Considering this I now think too that it would maybe be a bad idea to send anyone to Cohen. He was very clear on not wanting a Doctor, and if he planned for us to think he is siding with us, it may be bait.

I would much rather have we just fake poison Morgan and see if Cohen can handle him self. Cohen can easily say that a Doctor healed him even against his wishes.

So the second DDer needs something else to do. Any ideas?

[FM Vespasian]

I don't recall anyone ever saying that we should not use our drug dealers. All that was said was that we shouldn't reveal their existence, which I why I picked a drug for them to use that was unlikely to set off any alarms. The only roles that would recognize a drug dealer blocked their feedback would be investigative roles, and if they report it to the town, they reveal themselves as PRs and allow us to easily pick them off. In any case I said for people to post if they had a problem with the actions, and none of our other members had any issues, so we went ahead with the actions I suggested.

Already agreed that DDers and BMer should rest for now.

I at least voiced my desire to not have DDer and BMer take action.

The blocking of feedback however could block stuff like roleblocks, bussings, or witchings. Losing one of those feedback could have left us in the dark about the Town's power, or possible Neutrals.
It having blocked a Investigator or Sheriff's feedback would have been awesome, but still above point is more critical for me right now.

I don't know why you're hating on me so hard. First off, no one, including you, suggested another (valid) blackmail. So I got the ball rolling. I purposely didn't have him claim fake feedback because it likely would have been seen as the result of a drug dealer and we didn't want to out them. I decided to use it instead to see how he would react to being blackmailed. His reaction has proved to us that he is a smart, level-headed player. But I don't think he checked with the hosts ahead of time about his little claim idea, because I don't think they'll allow it. But I guess we'll see.

You are first of all complaining to the two wrong people. Artaxerxes was not here night 1 and could have suggested anything else.

Me on the other hand. I'm a little knew at this and did not even know you should select other member's night action. Other then that I was in bad by that time and never got to question much of it.

The little "test" BM you sent to Bishop could have been a drug maybe, that way we could have used BMer tonight. Because now the BM is clearly wasted.

Not really hating on you, just sad that night 1 was only 24 hours long, and I didn't understand all the workings or get to ask questions about it in time.

[FM Vespasian]

You are first of all complaining to the two wrong people. Artaxerxes was not here night 1 and could have suggested anything else.

And could not have suggested anything else.

[FM Ferengi]

Switzerland, will you be replacing Phelps for us?

Phelps told me why he was unable to post very much in day and that he should be back soon. If not, Rocshi can replace him.

Can I blackmail tonight if the currently blackmailed person dies?

Wow, I never even thought about that, but according to the OoO you may. However, if the kill does not go through for whatever reason, your blackmail will not be sent.

[FM Vespasian]

Can I blackmail tonight if the currently blackmailed person dies?

Wow, I never even thought about that, but according to the OoO you may. However, if the kill does not go through for whatever reason, your blackmail will not be sent.

This is awesome news! I say lets get Bishop out of the way.

[FM Attila]

If you have a better kill target suggest it and stop complaining about how stuff doesn't make sense. There was chatter about chapman being a possible vigilante and so far the only other possible targets we talked about have been Parker, Morgan, and Bishop. Im cool with taking down anyone there save for bishop because we can always kill him tomorrow and he is blackmailed tomorrows day anyway. Everything else that has been discussed so far is pretty much useless and its wasting time.

Now.
Please suggest kill targets as it seems we have the other night actions figured out.
If you got something to say to those effects go on.

[FM Attila]

Cohen is not likely to be a veteran because of his passive allowance of the plan to send doctors his way. If he was a veteran he would not have fake claimed posioned as hard as he did and he wouldnt have played so along with the send lookouts and docs his way idea.

[FM Vespasian]

○ Sending the fake blackmail card to Cohen with the terms "Don't reveal that your lying about being poisoned"
○ Sending Morgan fake poison feedback
○ Bussing Dunn and Litchmann
○ Killing Chapman

Im really paranoid about missing night actions so thats why Im doing this.
Please feel free to suggest alternatives if you wish.

Just my ideas on what i think we should do.

• Kill Bishop
• Fake poison FM Morgan (I will do that I guess.)
• Fake blackmail FM Cafarelli with: "Role claim only Witch" (I have no good ideas here. Help me think of something.)
• Blackmail FM Biggs witn: "Claim the witching on day 1 was a ruse" (This seemed like a fun idea.)

As for Kidnapper and Consort. I have no preference.

(My action)
-Fake poison FM Morgan

[FM Vespasian]

No, the wording doesn't matter. After speaking with Clem at length about the role, she is adamant that there are to be no loopholes with it. An example she gave was that the town might try to prove someone is blackmailer by having everyone claim blackmailed except the blackmailed person, so that the town would be able to figure out who it was without them technically claiming it. She said in that instance the blackmailed person would actually be forced to claim blackmailed in order to appear not blackmailed in order to avoid the penalty for claiming blackmailed.

This just totally made me want to (fake) BM someone into claiming blackmailed.

[FM Vespasian]

Cohen is not likely to be a veteran because of his passive allowance of the plan to send doctors his way. If he was a veteran he would not have fake claimed posioned as hard as he did and he wouldnt have played so along with the send lookouts and docs his way idea.

I still think it would be best just to have him try and dig him self out of the hole he dug. For all we know he could be a Jester, in which case we should vote him ourselves.

But I just really think that there is a risk in trying to contact or help him right now. So apart from fake poisoning Morgan, I say let him prove him self.

[FM Vespasian]

I still think it would be best just to have him try and dig him self out of the hole he dug. For all we know he could be a Jester, in which case we should vote him ourselves.

in which case we should not vote him ourselves.

[FM Leonardo]

Yeah, that's one of the side effects of having only a 24 hour first night. But whatever. Hosts didn't make the blackmailer's mechanics clear. We had 30 minutes to post actions and I threw something together so as not to waste the night. Meh.

[FM Leonardo]

I still think it would be best just to have him try and dig him self out of the hole he dug. For all we know he could be a Jester, in which case we should vote him ourselves.

But I just really think that there is a risk in trying to contact or help him right now. So apart from fake poisoning Morgan, I say let him prove him self.

He specifically said that doctor shouldn't visit him.

[FM Vespasian]

Can Lookout self target?

Random thought, what if Cohen is a Lookout, waiting for us to visit him so he can see who the DDer is? Of course only hold water if Lookout can self target.

Maybe i am just over thinking things here, I may be other tired. I am going to sleep!

[FM Vespasian]

Maybe i am just over thinking things here, I may be other tired. I am going to sleep!

I mean "Over tired". I guess the just prove my point.

[FM Vespasian]

I mean "Over tired". I guess the just prove my point.

"That just prove my point". Ok night.

[FM Vespasian]

He specifically said that doctor shouldn't visit him.

Does not mean it could not happen. If he wanna live he will have to make it sound like a Doctor did save him.

Which bring me to the conclusion of Jester, Ghost, or whatever.

[FM Leonardo]

Does not mean it could not happen. If he wanna live he will have to make it sound like a Doctor did save him.

Which bring me to the conclusion of Jester, Ghost, or whatever.

No, he's going to claim it was a drug. It's a much more convenient claim that no one will CC (whereas doctor could CC).

[FM Leonardo]

If you have a better kill target suggest it and stop complaining about how stuff doesn't make sense. There was chatter about chapman being a possible vigilante and so far the only other possible targets we talked about have been Parker, Morgan, and Bishop. Im cool with taking down anyone there save for bishop because we can always kill him tomorrow and he is blackmailed tomorrows day anyway. Everything else that has been discussed so far is pretty much useless and its wasting time.

Now.
Please suggest kill targets as it seems we have the other night actions figured out.
If you got something to say to those effects go on.

Didn't see this before. I did suggest alternatives. For the kill, I suggested Colmyer. No need to get upset. I just think if you're going to post night actions that we haven't discussed you should post some reasoning to go with it so we know what you're thinking/hoping to accomplish.

[FM Vespasian]

No, he's going to claim it was a drug. It's a much more convenient claim that no one will CC (whereas doctor could CC).

In that case fake poisoning Morgan is a bad idea? But again it all depends on if Cohen wants to be lynched or not.

[FM Attila]

Didn't see this before. I did suggest alternatives. For the kill, I suggested Colmyer. No need to get upset. I just think if you're going to post night actions that we haven't discussed you should post some reasoning to go with it so we know what you're thinking/hoping to accomplish.

Sorry. Paranoia gets the best of me.
I wont be here for the rest of the night.. draw up plans and I'll go along with it when I get back

[FM Artaxerxes]

Ok revised plan.

Kill Bishop
Send new blackmail out *we need discussion on this, not that roleclaim witch one. Too obvious*
block monroe?
Bus Dunn with Morgan?
Fake poison on Dunn *We can self target right?

Entertaining a ladyfriend. I'll be back later.

[FM Leonardo]

Ok revised plan.

Kill Bishop
Send new blackmail out *we need discussion on this, not that roleclaim witch one. Too obvious*
block monroe?
Bus Dunn with Morgan?
Fake poison on Dunn *We can self target right?

Entertaining a ladyfriend. I'll be back later.

1- Even if we can't self target, we have 2 drug dealers, so one can target the other.
2- He can just claim poisoned without us having anyone visit him.
3- Ladyfriend? GO ON...

Can my blackmail be in the form of a code that must be solved and THEN carried out? If not, can I just give them a puzzle that they have to post the solution to in the day chat? So if they don't solve it they would die? If I can do the second one... You may call me... The Riddler.

[FM Ferengi]

Can Lookout self target?

No.

Can my blackmail be in the form of a code that must be solved and THEN carried out? If not, can I just give them a puzzle that they have to post the solution to in the day chat? So if they don't solve it they would die? If I can do the second one... You may call me... The Riddler.

This kind of blackmail note would not be allowed.

[FM Vespasian]

In the OoO Doctor healing is before Poisoner poisoning. Dose that mean a poisoning could be healed the same night it is given? And if so what would the feedback be like for the victim and Doctor?

[FM Vespasian]

In the OoO Doctor healing is before Poisoner poisoning. Dose that mean a poisoning could be healed the same night it is given? And if so what would the feedback be like for the victim and Doctor?

Oops. There i hulkified the question.

[FM Vespasian]

As far as i gathered this is not a valid blackkmail:
"Role claim only Investigator"
As this have no real time limit and that was a problem as far as I know.
I guess a blackmail along these lines would be ok:
"During one of the next two days, Role claim only Investigator"
It makes it clear for the target that they can pick either the first or the second day, but on that day they can only claim that one role.

Another try:
"Don't vote for Cohen"
Probably wouldn't be allowed as it can not be complete in just one day.
Unless changed to:
"During one of the next two days, do not vote for Cohen"

Is this a good understanding of how a valid blackmail would be?

[FM Vespasian]

"During one of the next two days, Role claim only Investigator"

Crap already see loopholes in this. Nowhere does it say the victim has to role claim at all, only that they can't role claim anything but Investigator if they do role claim.

"During one of the next two days, Role claim Investigator and nothing else"

Would that make it loophole proof? thought?

[FM Leonardo]

No riddles either. Ok...

Honestly, this role is a huge pain in the ass. The rules surrounding my ability are so inconsistent. I can't send the task "you may not speak during the day" but I can send the task "you may not vote during the day" or "you may not claim a role during the day". So I can blackmail people into NOT doing things, just not the thing I actually don't want them to do. My blackmail target can take advantage of ambiguities in my blackmail note and do/say anything that I don't expressly forbid, but I can't take any advantage of the setup's ambiguity regarding my role, and instead have to ask for permission to do everything, which has basically just been me waiting to be turned down. I fail to see any power in this role. The closest thing I have to the blackmailer's original ability, the silence, is making people quote from somewhere random (like Shakespeare), but it will be blatantly obvious to everyone that it is the work of the blackmailer. I can make people claim fake feedback, but we already have two drug dealers for that, so it seems like a waste. And claiming fake roles is a bust, for even if I write a novel, or a series of novels, eliminating every single loophole I can think of, there will probably be some other bullshit thing that I didn't think of which will make it all for naught. It's only night 2 and I'm already sick of this role.

I'm just going to pick the most obscure play/book/song I know of, and demand that my target only speak lines from that exactly as they're written in the text. And if they make a single post that does not comply, they fail and have to suicide. I'm done trying to find a way around it, because it's clear to me now that technicalities are only for the town to exploit, not me. So fine. I give up. Unless one of you has a better idea, I'm just going to use this ability either as a silence or as a poisoner, depending how the town decides to handle my task.

[FM Ferengi]

In the OoO Doctor healing is before Poisoner poisoning. Dose that mean a poisoning could be healed the same night it is given? And if so what would the feedback be like for the victim and Doctor?

Yes, a poisoning may be healed the same night it is given. The doctor will receive a "Your target was attacked!" feedback.

As far as i gathered this is not a valid blackkmail:
"Role claim only Investigator"
As this have no real time limit and that was a problem as far as I know.
I guess a blackmail along these lines would be ok:
"During one of the next two days, Role claim only Investigator"
It makes it clear for the target that they can pick either the first or the second day, but on that day they can only claim that one role.

Another try:
"Don't vote for Cohen"
Probably wouldn't be allowed as it can not be complete in just one day.
Unless changed to:
"During one of the next two days, do not vote for Cohen"

Is this a good understanding of how a valid blackmail would be?

I don't think you have to specify "during one of the next two days" since that is part of the built in terms of blackmail.

No riddles either. Ok...

Honestly, this role is a huge pain in the ass. The rules surrounding my ability are so inconsistent. I can't send the task "you may not speak during the day" but I can send the task "you may not vote during the day" or "you may not claim a role during the day". So I can blackmail people into NOT doing things, just not the thing I actually don't want them to do. My blackmail target can take advantage of ambiguities in my blackmail note and do/say anything that I don't expressly forbid, but I can't take any advantage of the setup's ambiguity regarding my role, and instead have to ask for permission to do everything, which has basically just been me waiting to be turned down. I fail to see any power in this role. The closest thing I have to the blackmailer's original ability, the silence, is making people quote from somewhere random (like Shakespeare), but it will be blatantly obvious to everyone that it is the work of the blackmailer. I can make people claim fake feedback, but we already have two drug dealers for that, so it seems like a waste. And claiming fake roles is a bust, for even if I write a novel, or a series of novels, eliminating every single loophole I can think of, there will probably be some other bullshit thing that I didn't think of which will make it all for naught. It's only night 2 and I'm already sick of this role.

I'm just going to pick the most obscure play/book/song I know of, and demand that my target only speak lines from that exactly as they're written in the text. And if they make a single post that does not comply, they fail and have to suicide. I'm done trying to find a way around it, because it's clear to me now that technicalities are only for the town to exploit, not me. So fine. I give up. Unless one of you has a better idea, I'm just going to use this ability either as a silence or as a poisoner, depending how the town decides to handle my task.

We decided to disallow blackmailing people to not speak during the day because if we wanted to include a traditional style of blackmailer we wouldn't have modified the role card. It also hurts FM activity in a way that telling someone not to vote or not to claim a role during the day does not.

I just wish your attitude about this was a little better. There are plenty of good blackmail tasks that you can assign to your target, but you seem oddly fixated on proposing ridiculous tasks that provide little benefit to your team.

[FM Spartacus]

lol

[FM Artaxerxes]

No riddles either. Ok...

Honestly, this role is a huge pain in the ass. The rules surrounding my ability are so inconsistent. I can't send the task "you may not speak during the day" but I can send the task "you may not vote during the day" or "you may not claim a role during the day". So I can blackmail people into NOT doing things, just not the thing I actually don't want them to do. My blackmail target can take advantage of ambiguities in my blackmail note and do/say anything that I don't expressly forbid, but I can't take any advantage of the setup's ambiguity regarding my role, and instead have to ask for permission to do everything, which has basically just been me waiting to be turned down. I fail to see any power in this role. The closest thing I have to the blackmailer's original ability, the silence, is making people quote from somewhere random (like Shakespeare), but it will be blatantly obvious to everyone that it is the work of the blackmailer. I can make people claim fake feedback, but we already have two drug dealers for that, so it seems like a waste. And claiming fake roles is a bust, for even if I write a novel, or a series of novels, eliminating every single loophole I can think of, there will probably be some other bullshit thing that I didn't think of which will make it all for naught. It's only night 2 and I'm already sick of this role.

I'm just going to pick the most obscure play/book/song I know of, and demand that my target only speak lines from that exactly as they're written in the text. And if they make a single post that does not comply, they fail and have to suicide. I'm done trying to find a way around it, because it's clear to me now that technicalities are only for the town to exploit, not me. So fine. I give up. Unless one of you has a better idea, I'm just going to use this ability either as a silence or as a poisoner, depending how the town decides to handle my task.

Uhm please don't do that. You are too fixated on trying to make the player suicide instead of the essence of the role. The suicides are just to prevent players from going against the blackmail. Plus I highly doubt the mods will allow your play/book/song idea, because its essentially a traditional blackmail and would force the mods to faq check withing your book/song/play. You can control their vote, which is very important. You are letting Bishops cleverness mess with your head too much.

Can a blackmailer ask for a certain amount of posts, within reason? For example, Could the blackmailer tell a player to make at least three posts focusing on why Lichtmann is scum?

Can a blackmailer ask for multiple things in a blackmail? i.e. Above question + vote to lynch Lichtmann.

[FM Artaxerxes]

lol

MVP

[FM Spartacus]

Yay!

[FM Vespasian]

The problem with Blackmailer is that there is no fear involved. The victim knows what he has to do and can do anything he wants to dance around the line. Even more so with the two day time on the blackmail.

People don't fear the Blackmailer at all, in fact they most likely look forward to playing with a Blackmailers.

So to combat this, I suggest we instead of fake poison, we do a lot of fake blackmails with a real blackmail. One can simply be "Claim to be poisoned".
When and if they start figuring out we don't have 3 Blackmailers. They will be start to get think they can ignore the blackmails and then they will get punished.

But again, we can not use the Blackmailer only with the hope they fail the blackmail. Only time they will every think about not doing a blackmail is if we start blackmailing them to vote people.

[FM Ferengi]

Can a blackmailer ask for a certain amount of posts, within reason? For example, Could the blackmailer tell a player to make at least three posts focusing on why Lichtmann is scum?

Can a blackmailer ask for multiple things in a blackmail? i.e. Above question + vote to lynch Lichtmann.

Judging whether posts adequately focus on "why Lichtmann is scum" begins to enter into a grey area. If possible, I would suggest naming tasks that are more black and white regarding their completion.

I'll have to confer with Rocshi about specifying a specific number of posts, but I would tentatively say that is not allowed. I'll have to ask him about asking for multiple things, too. Tentatively, no. However if you can find a way to frame it as one task, then it may be allowed. (i.e. something like vote a new player with every post).

[FM Leonardo]

I just wish your attitude about this was a little better. There are plenty of good blackmail tasks that you can assign to your target, but you seem oddly fixated on proposing ridiculous tasks that provide little benefit to your team.

I don't think any task I can assign benefits my team. My whole role is just a game of "let's see how many different ways a person can not do something".

Uhm please don't do that. You are too fixated on trying to make the player suicide instead of the essence of the role. The suicides are just to prevent players from going against the blackmail. Plus I highly doubt the mods will allow your play/book/song idea, because its essentially a traditional blackmail and would force the mods to faq check withing your book/song/play. You can control their vote, which is very important. You are letting Bishops cleverness mess with your head too much.

54. Blackmailer: Must the task given be able to be fullfilled in one post? If not, can you order your target to only quote Shakespear (with exact references!)? Or to claim its role and only its role?
No, blackmails do not have to be fulfilled in one post. Ordering your target to only quote Shakespeare is allowed. Ordering your target to claim their role and only their role is not allowed. All blackmail will be approved by the hosts on a case-by-case basis. You may ask more questions about acceptable and unacceptable blackmails in the FAQ.

The way I see it, that's all this blackmailer is good for. Being either a weakened version of the poisoner or a weakened version of itself. It's not about Bishop at all. If I had known town would be allowed to exploit ambiguities, I could have made the wording of his blackmail more specific. But I was misled. Regardless, my focus now will be to silence players. I'll start with Monroe. I think I'll have him speak only in lines from Cleansed by Sarah Kane. Once he finds the play, he'll be lucky if he can say anything remotely relevant to the conversation. My guess is he'll just say nothing at all on the day he decides to complete the task.

The problem with Blackmailer is that there is no fear involved. The victim knows what he has to do and can do anything he wants to dance around the line. Even more so with the two day time on the blackmail.

People don't fear the Blackmailer at all, in fact they most likely look forward to playing with a Blackmailers.

So to combat this, I suggest we instead of fake poison, we do a lot of fake blackmails with a real blackmail. One can simply be "Claim to be poisoned".
When and if they start figuring out we don't have 3 Blackmailers. They will be start to get think they can ignore the blackmails and then they will get punished.

But again, we can not use the Blackmailer only with the hope they fail the blackmail. Only time they will every think about not doing a blackmail is if we start blackmailing them to vote people.

This is part of the problem. There are many problems. But yes, all the suicide penalty does is dissuade them from ignoring me outright. Instead they just creatively ignore my blackmail, which is no more useful to us.

Judging whether posts adequately focus on "why Lichtmann is scum" begins to enter into a grey area. If possible, I would suggest naming tasks that are more black and white regarding their completion.

The problem is that apparently everything is a grey area. I thought claiming investigator was pretty black and white. I thought it was obvious that someone who claims investigator doesn't claim other roles. But apparently not. Apparently that's a grey area too. But speaking lines from Sarah Kane isn't. That's very black and white. So shall it be.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Judging whether posts adequately focus on "why Lichtmann is scum" begins to enter into a grey area. If possible, I would suggest naming tasks that are more black and white regarding their completion.

I'll have to confer with Rocshi about specifying a specific number of posts, but I would tentatively say that is not allowed. I'll have to ask him about asking for multiple things, too. Tentatively, no. However if you can find a way to frame it as one task, then it may be allowed. (i.e. something like vote a new player with every post).

Interesting.

Okay guys we have 8 hours left. Please post your thoughts on the following.

Kill Bishop - Death note "Clever girl"
Blackmail Becket into saying "Ok guys I took a risk and decided to heal Cohen. He was not attacked last night, so he mustve lied about the poison.

-vote FM Cohen

." And add something in there about not changing his vote.
Can I player completely contradict himself after saying a blackmail? i.e. (BM) I killed Bishop last night. (Next post) I don't know why I said that/ just kidding.
*I want your guys opinion on this. The town will either consider him very suspect. Because we say "must have lied instead of drug dealed", they will pick that up as a scum tell. Or the town will suspect him as a Citizen trying to get killed. Either way it puts us in a good spot and confuses the town. Also I chose becket because he lurked all day and came to hammer. People will already be suspect of him.

Drug Dealers x2 -
We have two conflicting mindsets in our mafia. Some of us are trying to hide our role list and others are trying to cause as much confusion as possible. Here are plans I propose.
-Hiding role list - If you want to completely confuse a PR, instead of the obvious preventing feedback. We can use both of our drug dealers to block and prevent feedback. The prevention of feedback in FAQ clearly states that it will not stop mafia feedback. So the roleblock feedback will still be received. This is the best way of hiding them besides not acting.

-Confusion - Cohen knows the poison is fake. We know the poison is fake. Our blackmail from before will basically tell the town that Cohen's poison was fake or drugged. He will be forced to reveal that it is fake and to play whatever trick he is hiding. If he is a provable town as I suspect, it will put immediate suspicion on Becket.
For the drug deals, I think we should send out fake blackmails. If there is a coroner, then we have to assume he will find out Bishop has been blackmailed. I think we could use the fake blackmails to force people to sheep vote onto Becket. Something like "Join any lynch vote that Becket makes."

Kidnapper should be on Dunn and Lichtmann/Monroe.

Consort blocks chapman? *Unsure about this one. If anyone has better ideas, speak up.


@Leonardo, I can already see that they will not allow that blackmail.

[FM Artaxerxes]

If they approve it, it will just make you a traditional blackmailer basically. I feel like it's wasting the potential of the role. I do like the idea of silencing a town leader role easily. Perhaps we should try it to see what happens. I'd prefer it on Morgan over Monroe though. Morgan is a bigger threat as an analyzer + town leader

[FM Spartacus]

sounds good to me

-block chapman

I'll need some time to catch up to the game.

[FM Ferengi]

Can I player completely contradict himself after saying a blackmail? i.e. (BM) I killed Bishop last night. (Next post) I don't know why I said that/ just kidding.

I think it's reasonable to ask a player not to contradict themselves after performing a blackmail task. You should include something that mentions this in the blackmail note so they are clearly informed of what the hosts will hold them accountable for.

[FM Vespasian]

So we do not want to fake a Poisoner anymore?

I do like the ideas, but the problem with blackmail for Becket is that he can decide if he want to do it now or the next day.

But we could just make the blackmail "Vote Cohen in one of your first 3 posts and hold it all day." That way they will either look really suspicious, or they need to come up with a reason for voting him. The point is that if they see a easy reason to vote Cohen, they may jump at the chance rather then wait for the next day.
The only problem with this plan is that, if they ignore the blackmail for the first day, Cohen may be dead the second day and there by the blackmail void.

But really the idea to blackmail someone to vote someone has some benefits. Lets splits it into Pros&Cons.

Pros

1. They will look VERY suspicious if they don't come up with a good reason.
2. If they take a chance to join on a train with little reason they will look like sheep.

Cons

1. They will know for sure that the target is not one of us.
2. More people know we have BMer and/or DDer.

"Vote Cohen in one of your first 3 posts and hold it all day." a valid blackmail? Or any change you would like before it's use? Not sure about if the "in one of your first 3 posts" is allowed.

[FM Leonardo]

Very well. We can focus on Morgan if you wish. Monroe stuck out more to me, but I'll try it your way.

-Blackmail Morgan with the blackmail note:

"All of your posts must only contain lines spoken by characters in the play Cleansed by Sarah Kane, which will be hereby be referred to in this note as "the play". Your posts may not contain any words that are not in the script of the play. You must post the lines exactly as they appear in the play: you may not edit them in any way (this includes changing the order of the words, changing the words themselves, and adding ellipses in the middle of a quote to bridge two separate lines). Your posts must contain lines from the play and nothing else. This extends to everything that is visible to others when you post, including (but not limited to) your avatar and signature. You may not use your posts, your avatar, your signature, or anything else that is visible to other players to claim or in any way hint that you are blackmailed or that your speech patterns are not of your own free will. You may not put quotes around the text, or change the punctuation of it in any way. You must post it as if it is coming from you directly.