S-FM 83 Double Killers

[Noctis]

This is what happens when you sleep, you miss out on all the good stuff

[powerofdeath]

Let me know if you want me to remake this, i can make sk immune and town a little bit more op like back to 7 towns instead of 6?

[Noctis]

I'm down with it, this was a learning exercise for me more than anything

[Bunny]

ahaha what a silly game, i'd sure yu can re do it like with busdrivers or small round if you want!

[NoctiZ]

My thought process during this game:

*I get replacement message*
"Okay sure, why not."

*I get SK*
"Goddamnit."

*I was about to go to bed, day starts early.*
"Goddamnit."

*I see that I killed my fellow SK Bunny.*
"Goddamnit."

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I do think that SK should be immune during the night. It's essentially a trade off, 1 KPN vs the identity of the other SK. 7vs2 + 1 Neutral would be a good game IMO.

[ika]

notiz that was good. i thought it was funny when i was like hey nocitz, "im survivor"

[Orpz]

well tits. there really was 2 sheriffs

[Cryptonic]

Yea, you just have to resubmit it to the queue.

gg everyone! scum had bad luck

[ika]

btw great job on the rp i liked it

[powerofdeath]

Yeah i worked hard on my rps, i wanted you guys to enjoy it when i host instead of I'm just some another host of some another set up

[ika]

Yeah i worked hard on my rps, i wanted you guys to enjoy it when i host instead of I'm just some another host of some another set up

ya the players dont always comment on it but most of them will read it. I always read them when ppl do it. Keep it up!

[powerofdeath]

Players role are hand chosen by my 6 year old neighbor. So it was more like random anyway. I wasnt surprised she chose bunny to be sk because she love bunnies

[ika]

Players role are hand chosen by my 6 year old neighbor. So it was more like random anyway. I wasnt surprised she chose bunny to be sk because she love bunnies

thats even better then ppl doing the random.org

[Cryptonic]

thats even better then ppl doing the random.org

biased selection > RNG ? :P idk man

[ika]

biased selection > RNG ? :P idk man

the 6 yr old doesnt even know who we are all the kid could go on really is names. there could be some sligt bias (slender getting escort = stalking) but if a host want to hand pick whats to stop them?

[Bunny]

randoming is always better

[ika]

randoming is always better

but might not be as fun for the host/players. if the host knows if player X gets role Y that they will just sit there and lurk they should be inclined to not give it to them. each side has its own goods and bads. its all about prefrence

[Cryptonic]

the 6 yr old doesnt even know who we are all the kid could go on really is names. there could be some sligt bias (slender getting escort = stalking) but if a host want to hand pick whats to stop them?

I'm not saying a host can't hand pick roles. Every host has done it before, it's not a big deal to choose them yourself. But, it's NOT better than a RNG. Look at Gerik's game, with clementine and Slaol as scum lol. Someone could've easily picked up on that. Biases are what creates host meta.

No meta could've been used via pod's way, solely because we didn't know a 6 year old chose our roles during the game. lol

[Bunny]

randoming also gives players a variety of roles to play as!

[ika]

I'm not saying a host can't hand pick roles. Every host has done it before, it's not a big deal to choose them yourself. But, it's NOT better than a RNG. Look at Gerik's game, with clementine and Slaol as scum lol. Someone could've easily picked up on that. Biases are what creates host meta.

No meta could've been used via pod's way, solely because we didn't know a 6 year old chose our roles during the game. lol

but you used bias in the game right at the begining of day to to say that i was sk did you not?

again you are just illiterating. random =/= always better. if someone new gets awsome town role and gets lynched becasued they looked scummy to all the good players its bad randoming. look the trust the exe randomed town and target was town. thats bad randoming. if he was town aligned it should of been the foucs on the cult or sk. or have the exe be the nutral and then allow it be there. the fact that randoming can create imballence is the porblem. when host does hand pick they can hand out the roles and make it more ballenced

[ika]

randoming also gives players a variety of roles to play as!

but also give players to get roles they dislike playing as and then just sit there and not use it. if someone gets randomed a cit role every game, do you think they would still want to play? what if they got role X finnaly just to die n1? The host might make it that they get the role they like and can use.

[Bunny]

but you used bias in the game right at the begining of day to to say that i was sk did you not?

again you are just illiterating. random =/= always better. if someone new gets awsome town role and gets lynched becasued they looked scummy to all the good players its bad randoming. look the trust the exe randomed town and target was town. thats bad randoming. if he was town aligned it should of been the foucs on the cult or sk. or have the exe be the nutral and then allow it be there. the fact that randoming can create imballence is the porblem. when host does hand pick they can hand out the roles and make it more ballenced

he said that because he thinks you dont like me and would kill me n1

[ika]

he said that because he thinks you dont like me and would kill me n1

leads to biassed reason. you just renforced my point. thanks for doing that

[Bunny]

leads to biassed reason. you just renforced my point. thanks for doing that

yes but that has nothing to do with hosts role selection..

[ika]

yes but that has nothing to do with hosts role selection..

but it does have to do with what i was talking about in there

[Cryptonic]

but you used bias in the game right at the begining of day to to say that i was sk did you not?

again you are just illiterating. random =/= always better. if someone new gets awsome town role and gets lynched becasued they looked scummy to all the good players its bad randoming. look the trust the exe randomed town and target was town. thats bad randoming. if he was town aligned it should of been the foucs on the cult or sk. or have the exe be the nutral and then allow it be there. the fact that randoming can create imballence is the porblem. when host does hand pick they can hand out the roles and make it more ballenced

no, that's bad playing by the person looking scummy, and rushed actions by the "good players".
And we're talking about roles here, not who an Executioners target is.

Also, what is illiterating? Not to sound offensive, but I just don't understand what you were trying to say. Being illiterate means one can't read.

I also agree with Bunny's above post. My last 5 or so games I've completely random'd, because I have been finding it unfair how people are like "Oh, your first game? Citizen. Oh hey, it's creed, he can be Godfather." It just gets old to be given the same roles over and over and over. Randoming gives one more of a variety, and makes it more fair for new players.

Once again, I'm not saying you can't hand pick your roles. Every host has done this and games work fine. But there have been games where people lynch others because of host meta and were correct.

[Cryptonic]

leads to biassed reason. you just renforced my point. thanks for doing that

And because you can use meta in a game like that.
You don't random.org your night actions, so it's more likely that you'll be able to guess what someone is going to do. You seemed like someone who would kill Bunny n1, so I jumped on it to see your reaction and make you role claim. If you noticed, I jumped on everyone to try to get people to claim roles and feedback and night actions. lol You weren't singled out.

[ika]

no, that's bad playing by the person looking scummy, and rushed actions by the "good players".
And we're talking about roles here, not who an Executioners target is.

Also, what is illiterating? Not to sound offensive, but I just don't understand what you were trying to say. Being illiterate means one can't read.

I also agree with Bunny's above post. My last 5 or so games I've completely random'd, because I have been finding it unfair how people are like "Oh, your first game? Citizen. Oh hey, it's creed, he can be Godfather." It just gets old to be given the same roles over and over and over. Randoming gives one more of a variety, and makes it more fair for new players.

Once again, I'm not saying you can't hand pick your roles. Every host has done this and games work fine. But there have been games where people lynch others because of host meta and were correct.

i was talking about how randoming can be bad. i was talking about how exe target was town you are changing the subject here.

agree with bunny.... lolz you always do that

if people use host meta to figure out roles then thats them. all im saying to it is that host hand picking vs randoming both have equal benifits in their own way.

[ika]

And because you can use meta in a game like that.
You don't random.org your night actions, so it's more likely that you'll be able to guess what someone is going to do. You seemed like someone who would kill Bunny n1, so I jumped on it to see your reaction and make you role claim. If you noticed, I jumped on everyone to try to get people to claim roles and feedback and night actions. lol You weren't singled out.

accaly its kind fun to random.org n1 actions if you dont have much to go on.

the moment the day becun you fosed me first on biassed reasoning. when nocitz confirmed me you laied off. i bet if i contiuned you would of contiuned to go on me using your biassed reason

[Bunny]

i was talking about how randoming can be bad. i was talking about how exe target was town you are changing the subject here.

agree with bunny.... lolz you always do that

if people use host meta to figure out roles then thats them. all im saying to it is that host hand picking vs randoming both have equal benifits in their own way.

lol so you'd rather not play a variety of roles?

[Cryptonic]

i was talking about how randoming can be bad. i was talking about how exe target was town you are changing the subject here.

agree with bunny.... lolz you always do that

if people use host meta to figure out roles then thats them. all im saying to it is that host hand picking vs randoming both have equal benifits in their own way.

No man, you changed the subject, not me! Executioner's targets are always town in FMs, even if they don't specify that they are. It is known that it would throw off the balance if the Exec was targeting a scum.. But we're not talking about Executioner's targets, we're still talking about handing out rolecard lolol The 2 situations are completely independant.

And me agreeing with Bunny isn't because she's my wife. Even if someone like Slaol said that, I would've agreed. You don't agree that randomly assigning roles gives a larger variety to players? :o I think it would.. I think randoming roles is a lot fairer to all players, rather than giving your friends the good roles.

[Cryptonic]

accaly its kind fun to random.org n1 actions if you dont have much to go on.

the moment the day becun you fosed me first on biassed reasoning. when nocitz confirmed me you laied off. i bet if i contiuned you would of contiuned to go on me using your biassed reason

LOL no one confirmed you man.
If you were SK, you could have just as easily said the same line and faked Survivor. You said the SK cleared you? Seriously, come on man. You weren't confirmed non-SK at all. I backed off of you because you finally claimed a role, and there was no reason to be trying to force a lynch on you anymore.

[Bunny]

I think randoming roles is a lot fairer to all players, rather than giving your friends the good roles.

amen to that! also creates more interesting game play, less predictable.

[Cryptonic]

btw, I'm in no way saying not to hand pick roles. Just that I find it fairer.
And I"m especially not critizing POD's way of picking roles. It was not informed how he was picking roles, so it was basically the same as random.org.

[ika]

No man, you changed the subject, not me! Executioner's targets are always town in FMs, even if they don't specify that they are. It is known that it would throw off the balance if the Exec was targeting a scum.. But we're not talking about Executioner's targets, we're still talking about handing out rolecard lolol The 2 situations are completely independant.

And me agreeing with Bunny isn't because she's my wife. Even if someone like Slaol said that, I would've agreed. You don't agree that randomly assigning roles gives a larger variety to players? :o I think it would.. I think randoming roles is a lot fairer to all players, rather than giving your friends the good roles.

pffff if you remember from anohter thread (that i wont mention becasue it got removed) you always side with bunny. and yes you change the subject i was pointing it out. it seems like every time we get into a game you use biassed reasong to point me as scum or something dumb. i bet bunny would do the same. i bet if you were sk you would of shot me first, you always make first assumptions based of biassed reasoning.

randoming can be biassed as well. if someone does random and sees that one person gets a bad role they can go "let me redo it" and contiune to do it. if the host is freind with everyone in the game there can the host creat bias? if a game was full of new players can the host creat bias?

@bunny lolz all you can do is agree with crypt.

[Cryptonic]

pffff if you remember from anohter thread (that i wont mention becasue it got removed) you always side with bunny. and yes you change the subject i was pointing it out. it seems like every time we get into a game you use biassed reasong to point me as scum or something dumb. i bet bunny would do the same. i bet if you were sk you would of shot me first, you always make first assumptions based of biassed reasoning.

randoming can be biassed as well. if someone does random and sees that one person gets a bad role they can go "let me redo it" and contiune to do it. if the host is freind with everyone in the game there can the host creat bias? if a game was full of new players can the host creat bias?

@bunny lolz all you can do is agree with crypt.

ad hominem.

I pointed you out as possible SK because I know you don't like Bunny, as seen by the way you treat her in discussions like this! lol that's why I firstly accused you of being SK. I wasn't like 'OMG IKA IS 100% SK, WE HAVE TO LYNCH HIM'. No, I only did it because I had no other lead and wanted a roleclaim out of you.

Q:if the host is freind with everyone in the game there can the host creat bias?
A: Yes, because you will like some people more than others if you know them all, no matter what.

Q:if a game was full of new players can the host creat bias?
A: No, because you have no relationship with any of the players, therefore there wouldn't be bias. But, if it was a game of 100% new players, i'm 100% sure you'd random. What would be the point of wasting time selecting roles for people based on nothing? I don't get it.


And no, I actually pick my nightly kill targets intelligently. I try to target a person that no one would suspect me to be the killer of.

Also ika, I deleted that last topic because it was getting out of hand and the argument was becoming circular.
All I did was disagree with you (I said randoming is better than hand picking roles), and you started arguing with me about it.

I'm not trying to argue with you. I understand your points. But there is no reason to take this so personally.

[Bunny]

pffff if you remember from anohter thread (that i wont mention becasue it got removed) you always side with bunny. and yes you change the subject i was pointing it out. it seems like every time we get into a game you use biassed reasong to point me as scum or something dumb. i bet bunny would do the same. i bet if you were sk you would of shot me first, you always make first assumptions based of biassed reasoning.

randoming can be biassed as well. if someone does random and sees that one person gets a bad role they can go "let me redo it" and contiune to do it. if the host is freind with everyone in the game there can the host creat bias? if a game was full of new players can the host creat bias?

@bunny lolz all you can do is agree with crypt.

lol i disagree with crypt on a million things a day. your points are bad, thats why we don't agree with you and agree with eachother. It is better to random to avoid host meta, keep it fair and to get a variety of roles in. This is easy stuff, plz try and keep up.

anyways POD: i'd love to play again so I hope you rehost!=] =]

[Cryptonic]

anyways

-vote Orpz

for MVP
I find he did a good job. He listened to the information in the day, listened to reasoning, came up with his own thoughts, and in the end he helped town make the right decision; never hindered us. For that, I think it's Orpz.

[ika]

-vote mvp nobody

it became a game of role call and just saying if we do this and that things. it was also due tot eh fact that one sk died n1

[Damus_Graves]

Random.org > Handpicking in a setup with this many people.
Handpicking > Random.org in a setup with 20+ players.

[ika]

Random.org > Handpicking in a setup with this many people.
Handpicking > Random.org in a setup with 20+ players.

works for me

[BorkBot]

No man, you changed the subject, not me! Executioner's targets are always town in FMs, even if they don't specify that they are. It is known that it would throw off the balance if the Exec was targeting a scum..

Nope! I ran a game with 2 execs where one had a mafia target and the other had the other exec as his target. And the mafia still won because the 3 doctors didn't believe each other!

[Slaol]

In my M-FM the Exec targeted a Joker.

[Cryptonic]

Nope! I ran a game with 2 execs where one had a mafia target and the other had the other exec as his target. And the mafia still won because the 3 doctors didn't believe each other!

2 executioners is an exception

In my M-FM the Exec targeted a Joker.

how long did he live for?

[Damus_Graves]

Exe: The Whole Game
Joker: Day Two

[Slaol]

Yea 2 days.
Im really not sure why.
Scum lynch him KNOWING HE WAS AN ALLY (*looks at CmG*), and the Exec claimed ;_;.

Good god im not sure what people were thinking lol.

[Damus_Graves]

I was thinking Im getting this day two win.

[Cryptonic]

that's too bad for joker

[powerofdeath]

I wouldve hammered the joker but that was my first FM game like ever and didnt know what hammer meant