New Role Suggestion - Assistant

[kyle1234513]

Name - Assistant
alignment - town
goal - see the town win, lynch all evildoers
placement - town core
ability - visit one person each night and tell them who visited them the night before
(ie, I visit 4 on night 2, I leave a default message saying these people visited you on night 1)
description - your target could be a lookout/detective/assistant/agent

options - none

overall this role would have to do a lot of thinking and excluding, "who cant the mafia be" based on who visited who. its a bit weaker lookout, but can remain anonymous. the assistant would also see the messege they send to their target.

pros - can alert their target as to who a doctor or a killer is
cons - takes a day to figure out what happened.

edit - changed the way the role functions slightly, seemed to be disliked

[ika]

Name - Assistant
alignment - town
goal - see the town win, lynch all evildoers
placement - town core
ability - visit one person each night and tell them who visited them the night before
(ie, I visit 4 on night 2, I leave a default message saying these people visited you on night 1)
description - your target could be a lookout/detective/assistant/agent

options - can leave a custom messege for their target in addition to telling them who visited them - on/off

overall this role would have to do a lot of thinking and excluding, "who cant the mafia be" based on who visited who. its a bit weaker lookout, but can remain anonymous. the assistant would also see the messege they send to their target.

pros - can alert their target as to who a doctor or a killer is
cons - takes a day to figure out what happened.

pubs will hate it. if it could be used properly then it would be good. but it work is so complicated for the pub games that it would flat out fail.

i could see potential in FMs maybe to catch scums in lies or something but for the sc2 game its a no

[kyle1234513]

pubs will hate it. if it could be used properly then it would be good. but it work is so complicated for the pub games that it would flat out fail.

i could see potential in FMs maybe to catch scums in lies or something but for the sc2 game its a no

wouldn't hate it any more than citizen or doctor, at least with this they get a real night action.

[Slaol]

Its a 1 day delayed Lookout- useless
It keeps information private instead of public- anti-town
Then it has an option to auto confirm itself in a message- over powered

Both useless and over powered at once. I'm impressed.

[kyle1234513]

Its a 1 day delayed Lookout- useless
It keeps information private instead of public- anti-town
Then it has an option to auto confirm itself in a message- over powered

Both useless and over powered at once. I'm impressed.

and how is he supposed to claim when he doesn't know who he is claiming too? every single town role can be proven except for citizen based on their night action, its just a matter of actually getting it right.

lookout is forced to say what he found himself and step foward, whereas assistant can lurk and have other people work for him.

[ika]

in b4 he target maf and maf kills next night

in b4 person he targets dies

again i think it could work better in fms not sc2 maf

[Deantwo]

its a bit weaker lookout, but can remain anonymous. the assistant would also see the messege they send to their target.

this is not a weaker Lookout... this is a more powerful Lookout in all ways...
the only thing this role can't do it catch a killer after they have killed...

but Blackmailers and Consorts would be deader then dead...

and the whole fact that he can stay anonymous only makes it worse in my book...

ooh yeah as Slaol said... he could just say the message he "gave" to he's target out loud the next day and the target can confirm he is an Assistant

[Slaol]

and how is he supposed to claim when he doesn't know who he is claiming too? every single town role can be proven except for citizen based on their night action, its just a matter of actually getting it right.

lookout is forced to say what he found himself and step foward, whereas assistant can lurk and have other people work for him.

Everything can be proven?
Jailor- kidnapper
Sheriff- executioner
Investigator- consigliere
Detective- agent
Lookout- agent
Spy- any mafia member or literally anyone making up mafia targets
Escort- consort

[kyle1234513]

this is not a weaker Lookout... this is a more powerful Lookout in all ways...
the only thing this role can't do it catch a killer after they have killed...

but Blackmailers and Consorts would be deader then dead...

and the whole fact that he can anonymous only makes it worse in my book...

ooh yeah as Slaol said... he could just say the message he "gave" to he's target out loud the next day and the target can confirm he is an Assistant

alternative just remove the custom message portion. and you don't out your role to the town like a mayor, it could only be used to tell 1 person at a time. (massive lieing opportunity here, stick your neck out and save a susp townie)

and "anon info" isnt even real, all information is anon. until that player claims a role and states what they've found.

alternatively I could just make it so assistant doesn't receive info, or perhaps put a cap on uses.

and yes slaol, everything can be proven, if escort/consort has been sitting on 1 target its obv consort, if their target is a doc and sheriff dies doc speaks up and gets that person lynched. if jailor has only ever killed 1 person its a kidnapper, jailor can kill again, invest can logic out a mafia member late game, agent/lookout/det depends on whether or not 1 night between shadowings,

[Slaol]

and yes slaol, everything can be proven, if escort/consort has been sitting on 1 target its obv consort, if their target is a doc and sheriff dies doc speaks up and gets that person lynched. if jailor has only ever killed 1 person its a kidnapper, jailor can kill again, invest can logic out a mafia member late game, agent/lookout/det depends on whether or not 1 night between shadowings,

The point is that not everything can be proven, things can be 'logic out''d, and decided, but not proven. Proven is 'Red, the mayor, has revealed themselves'

[kyle1234513]

The point is that not everything can be proven, things can be 'logic out''d, and decided, but not proven. Proven is 'Red, the mayor, has revealed themselves'

so in other words, assistant can not prove themselves by sending a message

[ika]

so in other words, assistant can not prove themselves by sending a message

more like should not be able to

[ika]

so in other words, assistant can not prove themselves by sending a message

also this could be a huge jester/mafia ploy

jester could say nope never got message, next day lynched

mafia could say same if its late game to achve majority. in the end it would be more hindering

[Slaol]

so in other words, assistant can not prove themselves by sending a message

Wrong. It would say it was from an assistant. And he would say 'hey, this Red, the assistant' and he is now confirmed town.

[kyle1234513]

Wrong. It would say it was from an assistant. And he would say 'hey, this Red, the assistant' and he is now confirmed town.

assuming the person it was sent to is already confirmed and not trying to get his maf buddy an assistant claim.

[ika]

assuming the person it was sent to is already confirmed and not trying to get his maf buddy an assistant claim.

again slaol already said no roles are confirmed excpt marshal and mayor when reveal

we just use logic to see that they are confirmed when a consig could claim to be invest or riff and out something. then that personis is logicly confirmed but at same time they arent town now are they?

[kyle1234513]

again slaol already said no roles are confirmed excpt marshal and mayor when reveal

we just use logic to see that they are confirmed when a consig could claim to be invest or riff and out something. then that personis is logicly confirmed but at same time they arent town now are they?

this would be the same as crier claiming at night, we don't know if hes telling the truth or not, except assistant would be harder to prove than crier. because it takes an additional night/day and for the person the messege is given to to be trustworthy in addition to outing what the assistant said to the town.

[Slaol]

assuming the person it was sent to is already confirmed and not trying to get his maf buddy an assistant claim.

Having a single confirmed person, even if the other involved isn't confirmed is still a boost. After 4 nights (most game lengths) he is confirmed to as many as 4 towns.

[Slaol]

this would be the same as crier claiming at night, we don't know if hes telling the truth or not, except assistant would be harder to prove than crier. because it takes an additional night/day and for the person the messege is given to to be trustworthy in addition to outing what the assistant said to the town.

Crier, Marshall, Mayor, Masons are the confirmable roles.

Really that is 3 too many.

[kyle1234513]

Crier, Marshall, Mayor, Masons are the confirmable roles.

Really that is 3 too many.

4* too many, if the only problem here is the custom message it can be removed.
(imo mayor should always be 3 and ballot type voting no trial, no -vote command)

[Slaol]

4* too many, if the only problem here is the custom message it can be removed.
(imo mayor should always be 3 and ballot type voting no trial, no -vote command)

Interesting idea.
I personally am a fan of Masons. I think having a Town voting block is good, as well as the recruit style and the combat to the Cult. I would remove Mayor, Marshall, and Crier if it could be done.

[Cryptonic]

I agree. Mayor, Marshall and Crier are lame.
I miss the old days where you'd roll into a game as Mason and have 5 Masons total.