witch doctor

[Nephrosis]

i feel witch doctor is way too unfun, you have to GUESS who you convert? thats stupid and on top of that you have only so many conversions as is.
if you disagree/agree discuss please cuz i would really like to know

[Slaol]

Disagree.
It isn't guessing. It is prediction. Protective roles like Doctor, Bodyguard, Bus Driver, and Escort are so often not impact-full at all. This is due to the majority of people's inability to properly predict who to target. The majority of people just want to point click and win. However, when you get someone that is capable of doing this and can manage up a n1 Bodyguard save, or 2-3 Doctor saves, or just shut down a GF (should Escort be able to block him), or run over some people with a bus, then you get to see how helpful roles are that keep others alive and how much of a swing a single night save is. Add in the addition of another Cultist and the game has gone from A to Z in a single night and isn't at all what anyone thought it was going into that night.
If you think you are 'guessing' that is your first problem. Learn how to predict and you can not only enjoy the role but get a convert every possible night.

[Lazers]

Disagree.
It isn't guessing. It is prediction. Protective roles like Doctor, Bodyguard, Bus Driver, and Escort are so often not impact-full at all. This is due to the majority of people's inability to properly predict who to target. The majority of people just want to point click and win. However, when you get someone that is capable of doing this and can manage up a n1 Bodyguard save, or 2-3 Doctor saves, or just shut down a GF (should Escort be able to block him), or run over some people with a bus, then you get to see how helpful roles are that keep others alive and how much of a swing a single night save is. Add in the addition of another Cultist and the game has gone from A to Z in a single night and isn't at all what anyone thought it was going into that night.
If you think you are 'guessing' that is your first problem. Learn how to predict and you can not only enjoy the role but get a convert every possible night.

Ya but 80% of the time killers are just choosing random targets, especially scum killers

You might be able to nab a few recruits off of a vigilante kill or investigator reveal or something

[Mugy]

Keep in mind you can also heal your own cultists.

[louiswill]

I really hope witchdoctor can turn mafia into cultist if bodyguard, arsonist, vigi or etc killed the mafia... Then no one will know there is a -1 mafia!

[kyle1234513]

I really hope witchdoctor can turn mafia into cultist if bodyguard, arsonist, vigi or etc killed the mafia... Then no one will know there is a -1 mafia!

mafia would know, they would claim sheriff/invest or something solidifying their cover by giving a known cultist.

[Voss]

Then the mafia-cult reveals his mafia members

[kyle1234513]

i like this situation! <3 ez town win.

[Nephrosis]

but in the end you still end up losing due to you being alone and having no cultists. isnt that the cultist job, to get more cultists? i mean if i was in a cult i wouldn't want to die alone. with only being able to convert upon a save and having limited saves that kinda defeats the porpose of cultist. they sould make it to where you can still convert but if you choose you have the option to save someone.

[Slaol]

but in the end you still end up losing due to you being alone and having no cultists. isnt that the cultist job, to get more cultists? i mean if i was in a cult i wouldn't want to die alone. with only being able to convert upon a save and having limited saves that kinda defeats the porpose of cultist. they sould make it to where you can still convert but if you choose you have the option to save someone.

No they shouldn't. Witch Doctor is a Cult Power Role. He operates separate to the normal conversion and gains them
1: Healing ability.
2: Recruits beyond what is normally possible.
His job is to get extra converts quicker, and allow for limited defense.
He is limited in how available he is to do that because if he wasn't it would be a Cult win every game. This is a weapon that becomes game winning if the people can use it right. Learn to use it.

[Nephrosis]

what im saying is HES USELESS WITHOUT A CULT, which you cant get unless someone is dying

[Slaol]

what im saying is HES USELESS WITHOUT A CULT, which you cant get unless someone is dying

Is Doctor useless?

[Nephrosis]

no but he has unlimited healz, Witch doctor doesnt, hes a Cult power role.... how can he give the cult power when there is no cult?

[Slaol]

no but he has unlimited healz, Witch doctor doesnt, hes a Cult power role.... how can he give the cult power when there is no cult?

And Doctor doesn't have the voting block and confirmed allies.
He gives the Cult Power by making a Cult. The charges are used when successful, so if he fails he keeps them.

[Nephrosis]

how can he make a cult? he can only convert upon saving and with that he cant convert mafia, neutral killing and oh masons.... and then on top of that he has to find WHOS DIEING to convert them. so if its just a witch doctor and not cult hes pretty much fucked

[louiswill]

how can he make a cult? he can only convert upon saving and with that he cant convert mafia, neutral killing and oh masons.... and then on top of that he has to find WHOS DIEING to convert them. so if its just a witch doctor and not cult hes pretty much fucked

that depend on your own skill, both talk and guess.

one way so far is blow a doctor's cover, and then heal him.

[ypmagic]

I think that's where the logic comes in... you have to use what town says and go for the people that will "most likely" be attacked. For example, you can always heal an outted sheriff to prevent mafia attack. Easy conversion. Another easy thing to do is guess whether or not the mafia will attack the town doctor. If they do, you will gain another witch doctor which gives more slots to the cult.

[Deantwo]

the Witch Doctor is not a Cult Leader...

the Witch Doctor is a bonus that you can be lucky to get if you convert a Doctor (and the option is enabled)

starting the game with only a Witch Doctor would be a bad game start if you want a good Cult game... make it a normal Cultist and enabled the Doctor's option

if you are only complaining because you want a Witch Doctor win... then make a setup that start with a Cultist AND a Witch Doctor

[Nephrosis]

im complaining because everyone throws WD in alone, and him alone is way underpowered

[Nephrosis]

also i dont care about getting certain role wins... thats not my objective of the game. i play it to have fun and the way i do that is when all roles are not UP or OP but balanced and fair.

[ypmagic]

Maybe Any Random or Neutral Evil should automatically choose Cultist if there is a Witch Doctor by default?

[Deantwo]

im complaining because everyone throws WD in alone, and him alone is way underpowered

it's because the hosts want the role wil then...
complain to them in-game... we can't make it better

Maybe Any Random or Neutral Evil should automatically choose Cultist if there is a Witch Doctor by default?

then it wouldn't really be random... just tell the hosts to at a Cultist rather then a random

[Nephrosis]

the sad part is they don't listen. most people dont even kno about the cultist conversion to witch doc in the doctor setting

[Deantwo]

the sad part is they don't listen. most people dont even kno about the cultist conversion to witch doc in the doctor setting

not much we can do about that... if they don't read the changelog or Wiki... or anything you tell them...
then it's their lose and our hurt till they do learn it... repick the person if you don't like the setup

[creedkingsx]

not much we can do about that... if they don't read the changelog or Wiki... or anything you tell them...
then it's their lose and our hurt till they do learn it... repick the person if you don't like the setup

This^
We've this entire Wiki that is a vat of all sorts of knowledge that nobody knows about.
Everyone, instead, wants to make useless assumptions about things and lose, so not our problem.