M-FM XVIII Cops & Robbers Gamethread

[vornksr]

Huh. So I got rep for a post I made days ago outside of this m-fm. Kinda weird.

Should I share who it's from, or which post it was? Does it matter? This sorta shit is why anon accounts are nice.

[Slaol]

Huh. So I got rep for a post I made days ago outside of this m-fm. Kinda weird.

Should I share who it's from, or which post it was? Does it matter? This sorta shit is why anon accounts are nice.

Screenshot it to me if you will xD

[Fatalis]

Intrigued. Elaborate.

I feel like half of Glip's post is him *appearing* to be pro town and contributing to the discussion. While half his posts are useless messages, and the others are posts that signifies he's 'somewhere in between'

[BorkBot]

Huh. So I got rep for a post I made days ago outside of this m-fm. Kinda weird.

Me too. But it contained no message.

Also hai. And I agree with Fatalis, Glip seems like he's trying rather hard to look pro-town. Not sure what to make of him yet, because I have seen him do so as both scum and as town in past SFMs.

[NoctiZ]

Huh. So I got rep for a post I made days ago outside of this m-fm. Kinda weird.

Should I share who it's from, or which post it was? Does it matter? This sorta shit is why anon accounts are nice.

Same here, I got repped for a post I made in the Pony sign-up thread, but 0 rep.

[vornksr]

Yeah, the rep didn't contain a message, just a notification that I'd received rep.

[Glip]

Me too. But it contained no message.

Also hai. And I agree with Fatalis, Glip seems like he's trying rather hard to look pro-town. Not sure what to make of him yet, because I have seen him do so as both scum and as town in past SFMs.

It's not so much that I'm trying hard to look pro-town, but that I'm trying hard to actually participate in this game.

I've had a very poor track record lately of participation in FM's, from getting modkilled in Cryptonic's M-FM to shouldve-been-modkilled-but-wasnt-after-not-posting-for-5-days in Fragos' FM.

I'm trying to turn that around

[BorkBot]

Maybe we are being tagged for NIGHT KILLS!

*hides*

[Fatalis]

It's not so much that I'm trying hard to look pro-town, but that I'm trying hard to actually participate in this game.

I've had a very poor track record lately of participation in FM's, from getting modkilled in Cryptonic's M-FM to shouldve-been-modkilled-but-wasnt-after-not-posting-for-5-days in Fragos' FM.

I'm trying to turn that around

Well we got that in common..
I'll see what I can read out of you sooner or later :o

[Fatalis]

Well we got that in common..
I'll see what I can read out of you sooner or later :o

^ This posts says that I don't wanna be killed bai Glip

[Damus_Graves]

I spread around some 0 rep in order to have it reset tomorrow.

[Nazzhoul]

inb4 Damus replaced by self
again

[Slaol]

inb4 Damus replaced by self
again

AGREED!

[NoctiZ]

THERE IS THE SIG AGAIN! WHERE IS IT FROM, DAMUS? ARGH!

[Damus_Graves]

THERE IS THE SIG AGAIN! WHERE IS IT FROM, DAMUS? ARGH!

I literally have no idea what your squawking about.

[Nazzhoul]

Signature of Damus appears to rotate each time user visits thread with his posts.
Curious as to how this is done.

[NoctiZ]

What is this sorcery.. why is your signature changing? Is it cycling through some pictures? How does it work?

[NoctiZ]

Signature of Damus appears to rotate each time user visits thread with his posts.
Curious as to how this is done.

Yeah, I just noticed this. I copied the picture link of the signature and it seems to redirect to the different pictures. Very interesting.

[NoctiZ]

Okay, I got it. https://sig.grumpybumpers.com/

[Damus_Graves]

follow the way of the blazer

[NoctiZ]

follow the way of the blazer

Ah, now that you mention it, I noticed the same with him but not as extreme because I don't encounter his posts often. This is interesting, very interesting.

[clementine]

I'm back and have read the first 2 pages.

Anti-counterfeit defences for mail is much, much more simple then people are making it out to be. Go like so...



First post the next day



Hopefully someone came up with that idea in the next few pages.

Codes are, like, alright. But they only work if you leave some sort of reference. Some evil dude could easily copy your code and pretend another message came from you as well, which may do damage before you reveal.

Promise to do X in one of your posts to reveal is completely unreliable unless you put a different action in each mail, because if some dude has a night chat, they could have, like one of their own people do X and pretend to be you.

I guess it works with codes too if you send different codes to each player and post solutions all at once if you want to reveal, but not if you have a single code to identify yourself.

Honestly though, like half the town has a night chat. I'm not so sure if passing around information will be all that helpful to begin with. Exception being if you know with absolute certainty that someone can be trusted. If I remember correctly, last time messages were allowed in a large FM, there was scum in the secret message club being fed information. So yeah, be careful who you tell stuff to and don't rely on anonymous info too much. Because it's, like, not cool if people die because of your carelessness.

Auckmid, your code is good as long as you're planning to reveal the day after the night you send the message. I think what Bork is concerned about is if you want to send mail to someone and set up for a reveal several days later... *shrugs*

[powerofdeath]

How many votes are needed to put someone on trial?

[BorkBot]

There's no trial in forum mafia I'm afraid. Once they hit more than 50% of the votes, they die.

You can see the vote counter at the top of the thread if you click on the vote button.

It says things like "L-7", which means 7 more votes are needed to lynch that person.

[BorkBot]

Also, you can use vote tags to place votes on people that work for that counter.

You can find a tutorial here: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...ystem-tutorial

[powerofdeath]

Ohhhhh, make a lot more sense, thanks!
To vote someone, do you type '-vote someone' in red or is there a button like what you said?
I am really sorry, it's my first time.

[Nazzhoul]

{vote}Slaol{/vote}
Replace {} with []

-vote Slaol

[Damus_Graves]

[vote]someone[/vote]

[Damus_Graves]

[vote]someone[/vote]

Use this command.

[powerofdeath]

Ohhhhh, make a lot more sense, thanks!
To vote someone, do you type '-vote someone' in red or is there a button like what you said?
I am really sorry, it's my first time.

I posted this before I saw the link with tutorial.

[Slaol]

-vote Nazzhoul

[Nazzhoul]

How is Slaol pronounced?

[Nazzhoul]

[class=admin]-vote Nazzhoul[/class

Hmm?

[Slaol]

How is Slaol pronounced?

Depends who you ask.
Slal
Slay-all
Slole
Sla-oool

[BorkBot]

-vote Nazzhoul

Want me to infract you?!?!

[Slaol]

Hmm?

You voted me, I counter voted with admin class color xD

[Nazzhoul]

Want me to infract you?!?!

That was a personal attack. Ban Sloal for twelve minutes.

[Nazzhoul]

Depends who you ask.
Slal
Slay-all
Slole
Sla-oool

Slay all is the official answer. Accepted.

[Gerik]

Hey guys. It's everyone's favorite scum MVP here ready to lead town to victory. I actually have a test tomorrow and won't be as active as I'd like until afterward (which means day 2, since day 1 ends in 6 hours). So I'm going to post a giant wall of text for now, and come back later to add more if I can.

First I'm just going to post my preliminary reads on everyone in the game. Most of these are to be taken with a grain of salt because it's only day 1, and I haven't gotten to read as thoroughly as I'd like, so I didn't take the time to quote everything as I would've liked. Without further ado:


Gerik- Scum MVP, obviously.

Damus_Graves- scum. For reasons others have already pointed out. #1 suspect for me, at the moment.

Mintberry Crunch- Town

Creedkingsx- town

Glip- scummy. many posts, most of them spam. The ones that are on topic are mostly about the mail system and the use of codes, both of which I think to be useless discussions, because there's no way to be 100% certain that the person who signed the mail actually sent it to you, as Clem and I proved in FM17 that codes can be cracked. So far I'm reading his posts from the standpoint that he's scum who wants the mail system to be prevalent so that he can use it to confuse the town.

Borkbot- Apparently hasn't read his role card yet. For now I'm going to assume he's scum until he proves otherwise.

Orpz- Haven't seen enough from him yet. so I'm assuming scum until I have reason to see otherwise

AppleyNO- Seems to be taking a passive role. Likely benign or scum.

powerofdeath- scummy. Only posts so far have been a fake vote and fake unvote on AppleyNO. Might be in the mafia with him.

Fragos- Town.

clementine- Seems like town. But then, I also know how good she is at hiding as scum, so I'll still be keeping an eye on her.

Numbertwo- Town.

NoctiZ- Town.

vornksr- Troll vote on AppleyNO. They're mafia together, I suspect.

CmG- town

Nazzhoul- hasn't said much yet. I'll assume scum until he I get evidence to the contrary.

Auckmid- Town.

Azuriae- Town.

RLVG- Scum.

Fatalis- sheep. Probably scum.

You may have noticed I labeled anyone scum if I wasn't sure of their alignment. This is because about half the game is scum, so I'd rather err on the side of caution and not trust anyone until I see something that convinces me that they are trustworthy.

Now for role predictions. I think everyone should do this because if we can come to a consensus on certain roles being in the game, we can better know what we're dealing with:

Godfather
Bruiser/mafioso
Consigliere
Framer (mafia deception)

Mafioso grants the mafia the ability to send someone for the factional kill while still making use of their night action. Which means if there is no mafioso, one mafia member must give up their power each night in order to kill. Since no escorts are in the game and the godfather can kill without a mafioso, this can only really be used to evade detectives (if they can predict who the detective will follow). So I don't think it's that useful. Plus I get the feeling Slaol would really like to see a bruiser in action.

Consigliere- A pretty classic mafia staple role. I could see Slaol leaving it out on purpose to fuck with everyone, but for now I think it's safe to assume it's in the game.

Framer (mafia deception)- I think there is a 99% chance that at least one mafia role is deception. My first guess is framer because of the guaranteed investigative roles, but I could easily see an arms dealer or drug dealer in the mix. This is the one I am least sure of. I say chances of framer are about 50%, with a 30% chance of arms dealer, and 20% for drug dealer. If there's no consigliere, one of these 3 roles likely occupies that slot in it's place (for a total of 2 mafia deception roles).

Jailor
Journalist
Veteran
blacksmith / detective

Journalist- Slaol loves the journalist. It's 99% certain to be in the game, and I am intrigued by the idea of a journalist with a night chat, and Slaol and I have similar taste, so I'm pretty confident in this one.

Veteran- Veteran with a night chat seems too good for slaol to pass up on. No way it's a bodyguard because live2die in a night chat is lame, and with the town's low numbers compared to most fms, even with unlimited uses, the veteran will have to choose when to alert very carefully because any town kills could have dire consequences for town

Blacksmith/Detective- This one could go either way, but I'm leaning toward blacksmith (I give it about 60/40). I know Slaol likes blacksmith, so it's probably in the game, the question for me is whether or not it has a night chat. I think it does. But if not, this is probably detective, since detective's results require more interpretation than sheriff, but must on target scum to be effective (as opposed to lookout, which wants to target town).

Nurse
Bus Driver
Doctor
Citizen
Citizen

Nurse- Slaol likes nurse. It also can just easily help town as it can scum, which adds shitfuckery to the setup and thus must exist.

Bus Driver- More shitfuckery. 90% chance it's in the game. Might be in the cops for lulz in which case blacksmith is here instead.

Doctor- Practically mandatory. So yeah.


Arsonist/SK
Magician
Prisoner.

SK/arsonist- Slaol likes the arsonist and his version is much more powerful than the standard one. If no one is doused then it's likely an SK.

Magician- Having 2 killing neutrals would be too many KPN so I'm thinking the magician makes more sense because it also adds shitfuckery to the game.

Infestor
Amnesiac

I get the feeling Slaol has been itching to use the infestor in a game, and I think it would work very well in this setup since it basically serves as a buff to whoever it chooses, which could swing the balance of the game toward the faction of the player it has chosen.

Amnesiac- Slaol feels Jester and exec accomplish their purpose (giving scum hiding places/making accusations of town look suspicious) just by being possible roles. so I doubt he included them. Lawyer is just weak. So that leaves student, infestor amnesiac. Infestor are too similar for both to be in the game in my opinion, so that leaves infestor and amnesiac.

Prisoner - I think there must be more than one prisoner
Citizen - If one of these is not a citizen scum has a starting majority. Though I wouldn't put it past Slaol to do that, my suspicion is that this is a citizen, so town has 2 more players than scum, with 2 benigns in the mix that can swing the game in either direction.

That's all I have for now. Enjoy.

[BorkBot]

Depends who you ask.
Slal
Slay-all
Slole
Sla-oool

I always thought it was slah-all.

[powerofdeath]

-vote skip

I feel that the first day isnt really going anywhere

[BorkBot]

Oy, tis 24 hour days! How couldst I forget!

Maybe I shouldst view myne rolecard, lest I am gaoler who doth forget to submit an action.

[CmG]

-vote skip

I feel that the first day isnt really going anywhere

There, this is more to your liking i guess! ;)

Oh look its Börkböt turning that role roulette like every game! Remember the game Eskaho did that? BOOM HEADSHOT!....

[BorkBot]

OK. Crisis averted!

I can go rest in peace now.

[powerofdeath]

powerofdeath- scummy. Only posts so far have been a fake vote and fake unvote on AppleyNO. Might be in the mafia with him.

I didnt know how to vote back then.

[Damus_Graves]

Damus_Graves- scum. For reasons others have already pointed out. #1 suspect for me, at the moment.

Lol and what reasons were those again?

[Damus_Graves]

I love Gerik is like:
Lets give a non useful read on everyone with barely any background or reasoning!
Lets give a guess on the rolelist and try and force everyone else to do so just to see what they all could be!

Reality:
Gerik fishing for roles
Gerik fake scumhunting

[Gerik]

I love Gerik is like:
Lets give a non useful read on everyone with barely any background or reasoning!
Lets give a guess on the rolelist and try and force everyone else to do so just to see what they all could be!

Reality:
Gerik fishing for roles
Gerik fake scumhunting

Didn't see the point in repeating them and don't have much time anyway.

I'm not fishing for roles. I'm not asking for people to roleclaim. People can lie about their own roles on the list for all I care. I'm not going to know either way, will I? I just want to know what everyone thinks is in the game because it gives us more information to work with. Your attempt to discredit me only further proves that you're scum. If you're not lynched, I highly recommend that the jailor execute you.

-vote Damus_Graves

[Damus_Graves]

Didn't see the point in repeating them and don't have much time anyway.

I'm not fishing for roles. I'm not asking for people to roleclaim. People can lie about their own roles on the list for all I care. I'm not going to know either way, will I? I just want to know what everyone thinks is in the game because it gives us more information to work with. Your attempt to discredit me only further proves that you're scum. If you're not lynched, I highly recommend that the jailor execute you.

-vote Damus_Graves

Lol K. Because you are proven town.

[Damus_Graves]

I can claim when I am L-4