Is calling YOUR role Gamethrowing?

[pat_power]

If I say I'm GF when I'm GF, is it gamethrowing?

If I say I'm sheriff when I'm sheriff, is it gamethrowing?

Note that in both cases, Jester and/or Veteran are possible.

[AppleyNO]

Why would you claim if you are Godfather?

That would make me put your report on-hold, and if you have had a history, then Watch list.

[ika]

If I say I'm GF when I'm GF, is it gamethrowing?

If I say I'm sheriff when I'm sheriff, is it gamethrowing?

Note that in both cases, Jester and/or Veteran are possible.

It can be great vet/jester tricks

GF claiming GF: if mafia loses can be possible gamethrow unless you are only mafia
riff claiming riff: day one claim riff seems more leanent

Nutral killing claiming themselfs and being lynched: i do it all the time you are alone, i will say im arson and im dosuing player X or im sk and im killing player Y just so i can play roulette

[AppleyNO]

But to answer the broader question, you can reveal your role as long as your not mafia or cult, from my understanding. Revealing your roles if you are mafia or cult is damaging your small team and is mild gamethrowing.

[Raptorblaze]

Depends on the circumstances, but generally just calling out your own role isn't, regardless of what your actual role is (mafia or otherwise)

[louiswill]

But to answer the broader question, you can reveal your role as long as your not mafia or cult, from my understanding. Revealing your roles if you are mafia or cult is damaging your small team and is mild gamethrowing.

Yep, general rule is that as long as you have a good reason to reveal, then do it. otherwise, don't.

Claim gf as Godfather if town still hold majority, it is a passive gamethrow.

[ika]

But to answer the broader question, you can reveal your role as long as your not mafia or cult, from my understanding. Revealing your roles if you are mafia or cult is damaging your small team and is mild gamethrowing.

well let me ask this then. if save is a one maf setup (troll yes or somehow legit) or you are only cult and dont convert/die n1, can it be reported as mild gamethrow?

like my example i said as sk saying im sk lynch me or arosn doing that isnt reportable as far as i know

[AppleyNO]

Depends on the circumstances, but generally just calling out your own role isn't, regardless of what your actual role is (mafia or otherwise)

This is the correct answer ^^^

Disregard mine.

*writes that down*

[AppleyNO]

well let me ask this then. if save is a one maf setup (troll yes or somehow legit) or you are only cult and dont convert/die n1, can it be reported as mild gamethrow?

like my example i said as sk saying im sk lynch me or arosn doing that isnt reportable as far as i know

Yea, Neutrals don't have a faction, so its all good.

[creedkingsx]

It's a bad strategy.
So bad, I feel dirty just calling it a strategy.
And you should feel bad for doing it.

[ika]

It's a bad strategy.
So bad, I feel dirty just calling it a strategy.
And you should feel bad for doing it.

oh when im sk/arson i do it all the time. i rather play roulette sometimes as those roles. its funny when ppl go yup hes sk.

[pat_power]

GF claiming GF can easily pass for a jester, with the appropriate trolling

Claiming sheriff, or doing the [jail trick often makes me survive 'till late in game since Mafia and killing roles aren't sure to kill me

[vornksr]

Yea, Neutrals don't have a faction, so its all good.

I recognize that this is the general attitude, but it seems like a bad one to me. Setups are balanced with KPN in mind, so it can drastically hurt the mafia's chances if the sk throws the game for himself.

Gamethrowing isn't bad only because it prevents, e.g., the mafia from winning. It prevents everyone there from enjoying a game as it's meant to be played. So banning gamethrowing shouldn't be about simply protecting the people on your own faction, it should be about protecting the integrity of the entire game. And from that perspective it doesn't matter whether you are alone on your faction or not.

[ika]

I recognize that this is the general attitude, but it seems like a bad one to me. Setups are balanced with KPN in mind, so it can drastically hurt the mafia's chances if the sk throws the game for himself

Well then mafia needs to get better at lying. When im sk i like ot be troll sk and kill off mafia or be like im sk im killing this person. Some game can be imballenced with kpn if sk exist due to a town killer role (ie vet, vig, jailor, ect)

[BorkBot]

I've won games claiming GF as GF starting from day 1, simply because everyone thought I was a jester. I went further than that though and actually behaved like a bad jester during the day too. Similarly I've used death notes as neutral killer that pointed at myself and won.

I'd say it's not gamethrowing in SC2 mafia, it's just a risky strategy that can work because of the small sized setup and short game days. It wouldn't fly in a FM game, but that's a whole different story.

EDIT: another angle, if you WOULD call it gamethrowing that could lead to easy rule abuse.

Have everyone claim godfather during the day and threaten to report the real godfather if he does it too. Congratulations, you've just found the godfather because he was the only person who didn't say he was that role.

[Lazers]

I sometimes do it for shits and giggles on day 1

Although I usually make sure it doesn't bite me in the ass later

[AppleyNO]

I recognize that this is the general attitude, but it seems like a bad one to me. Setups are balanced with KPN in mind, so it can drastically hurt the mafia's chances if the sk throws the game for himself.

Gamethrowing isn't bad only because it prevents, e.g., the mafia from winning. It prevents everyone there from enjoying a game as it's meant to be played. So banning gamethrowing shouldn't be about simply protecting the people on your own faction, it should be about protecting the integrity of the entire game. And from that perspective it doesn't matter whether you are alone on your faction or not.

Its a directive from DR.

But I think your right, neutral killers playing to get killed (i.e. to play roulette for example) should be punished. Its gamethrowing, which we have defined as "intentionally playing to lose".

[Lysergic]

I see GF's successfully fake Jester by claiming their real role early in the game pretty regularly. If there's an actual Jester and you identify him early on (and he's clever), your team can push a lynch on the real Jester in a mylo and come out on top as Maf (and watch town collectively punch themselves when he flips Jester and you cackle evily in to day chat).

[Wydrah]

Depends on the player's intention imo.

One time when I was GF, the ONLY thing I said all game was "im mafia."

I must have said it 100 times. I even got put on the stand and just said "im mafia."

Ended up winning the game.

[ika]

Its a directive from DR.

But I think your right, neutral killers playing to get killed (i.e. to play roulette for example) should be punished. Its gamethrowing, which we have defined as "intentionally playing to lose".

ok how aobut survivor/amesic/exe who has wins? The ture nutrals, they win with any faction if they sucide to play roulette, can by any count they be calssified as gamethorwing? Survivor/ames i could see possibly due to playing aginst technical goal. But if exe gets target lynched and doesnt have to live to end if he decided to sucide to go play roulette then there is no scinario that there should be where his sucide should affect it.

[Auckmid]

Yea, Neutrals don't have a faction, so its all good.

No no. Neutrals have a faction, they are just the only one on it. They can gamethrow just like everyone else.

[kyle1234513]

back to OP, it can go either way, and mods/auth may find it gamethrowing if a report is submitted against you, however it can easily be disputed and overruled by saying i was trying to assert myself as jester.

it has very limited uses, and usually only works against newer players. so overall i would opt not to claim as godfather. or another mafia member.

its like begging on the stand, claiming ur scum role offering to help town, and they sometimes vote you inno.

[Raptorblaze]

No no. Neutrals have a faction, they are just the only one on it. They can gamethrow just like everyone else.

Per DR, if an entire team (mafia, cult, etc) decides they don't desire to win anymore, it doesn't count as gamethrowing. Neutrals are 1 person teams, therefore if they throw it is entirely consentual.

[oops_ur_daed]

Per DR, if an entire team (mafia, cult, etc) decides they don't desire to win anymore, it doesn't count as gamethrowing. Neutrals are 1 person teams, therefore if they throw it is entirely consentual.

Definition should be changed in reports! :o