Day 5: Broken Wheels

[FM Marco the Phoenix]

A better question, will you vote against targets that we think are CP9? Our town is too lurky/inactive so we need every vote we can get.

Any more questions for me, Marco?

I will vote with the town for a CP9 suspect, but the lynch should be beneficial.
Big Mom's lynch may be a citizen, but it may have directly proven the existence of a Vent.

I have no more questions for now, thank you.

[FM Crocodile]

What has been your strategy for this game?

Which faction/neutral should we be focused on?

Which players do you find the scummiest and why?

Why weren't you mod killed after not posting at all yesterday?

Try and stay active, wanting to be a contributor.. not working very well.

CP9, obviously. Read my response to Marco about CP9/Pirate Captain.

I'm not sure at the moment, however I find Buggy, Gecko, Kuma, and Sanji (Until he clears himself by stating who he blocked) scummy.

[FM Tony Tony Chopper]

I was replaced last night, thank you very much.

What has been your strategy for this game?

Which faction/neutral should we be focused on?

Which players do you find the scummiest and why?

Why did you post only once yesterday and sheep vote a CP9 puppet?

[FM Crocodile]

Why did you claim veteran?

Which nights did you go alert on?

Why did you go alert on these nights?

To see who would try and kill me.

N1, I was a replacement, and the replacement message that was sent was a "Non-Citizen" Role.

I didn't go on alert any other night. I only have three.

[FM Crocodile]

Be right back, taking a shower.

[FM Donquixote Doflamingo]

I was replaced last night, thank you very much.

Hi Burn-E

thoughts on the game?

[FM Tony Tony Chopper]

Doctor - Basil Hawkins
Hidden Town Power (Journalist) - Jewelry Bonney
Hidden Town Power (Bus Driver) - Sogeking
Hidden Town Power (Escort) - Black Leg Sanji
Hidden Town Power (Veteran) - Crocodile

That's all the PRs claimed. If you are a PR it might be a good idea to claim so we can lynch Sanji or Crocodile.

[FM Ferengi]

If the Pirate Captain dies, and there are no regular pirates, does a random pirate role turn into a pirate?

No, the hidden pirate will keep his role. He can choose between killing action and special action.

[FM Buggy the Clown]

Try and stay active, wanting to be a contributor.. not working very well.

CP9, obviously. Read my response to Marco about CP9/Pirate Captain.

I'm not sure at the moment, however I find Buggy, Gecko, Kuma, and Sanji (Until he clears himself by stating who he blocked) scummy.

Wow.
WOW
How dare anyone put me in the same list as Kuma. Why isn't Kuma dead yet.
I am not scum

[FM Tony Tony Chopper]

Wow.
WOW
How dare anyone put me in the same list as Kuma. Why isn't Kuma dead yet.
I am not scum

Are you a citizen?

[FM Straw Hat Luffy]

Doctor - Basil Hawkins
Hidden Town Power (Journalist) - Jewelry Bonney
Hidden Town Power (Bus Driver) - Sogeking
Hidden Town Power (Escort) - Black Leg Sanji
Hidden Town Power (Veteran) - Crocodile

That's all the PRs claimed. If you are a PR it might be a good idea to claim so we can lynch Sanji or Crocodile.

Claiming a power role would put a target on that person... even if I agree that it would help figuring out scum claiming power role...
Let's wait until sanji tell us who he blocked last night.

[FM Red Haired Shanks]

I claim Citizen

[FM Wet Haired Caribou]

1{1} 43{2} 2{1} 987{38}

this line is what i don't understand. can anyone explain? modulo is actually the rest of a division, this however seems just like some random numbers
i think he was vented since d2. why was he so different on d4? because the vent decided to let him claim marine and get him lynched (so no real defense)

i think we can trust marco, he didn't know that big mom was a citi.
questions to marco:
who did you check today and can you tell us the result by a hidden message from the NA?
what is fire fist ace?
and i think you should investigate mihawk and sanji (as rhw main cp9 suspects) and buggy as a pirate suspect

Caribou did think that Big Mom's code solution was odd, but he was willing to give Big Mom the benefit of the doubt. But Caribou believes that strange solution with the {placeholders} should have been our first clue he had been ventriloquist'd.

[FM Dracule Mihawk]

Good morning, everyone. Here's my code from yesterday:

Your password was 'Shakespeare'
Your key was 'Benedick'
This is your code 'UMOPIBSPCWS'

Nothing of interest happened to me last night.

[FM Tony Tony Chopper]

Caribou did think that Big Mom's code solution was odd, but he was willing to give Big Mom the benefit of the doubt. But Caribou believes that strange solution with the {placeholders} should have been our first clue he had been ventriloquist'd.

He used placeholders on day 1.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post283319
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...228#post283228 - maybe related

[FM Buggy the Clown]

Are you a citizen?

You can't just ask me that!

[FM Dracule Mihawk]

As for you Fist Ace, you're not a pirate.

Didn't we decide yesterday that Ace is the pirate captain? That would mean you couldn't find him.

Can kill on his own. Has one auto-vest. Cannot be detected by Marines. As Power role, can be possibly found out by Rebel Scout.

I still say it's Ace.

-vote FM Fire Fist Ace

[FM Dracule Mihawk]

That's from the Pirate Captain's role card by the way. In case that wasn't clear.

[FM Fire Fist Ace]

Didn't we decide yesterday that Ace is the pirate captain? That would mean you couldn't find him.



I still say it's Ace.

-vote FM Fire Fist Ace

And why am i the pirate captain? cp9 is a priority even if i would be the pirate captain. Cat theif nami is a confirmed scum.

[FM Dracule Mihawk]

And why am i the pirate captain? cp9 is a priority even if i would be the pirate captain. Cat theif nami is a confirmed scum.

I agree that Nami is scum. But Pirate Captain takes precedence because by killing you we ensure the CP9 no longer has control of the pirate kill, which means the pirates might start hitting the cp9 on accident.

[FM Soul King Brook]

I agree that Nami is scum. But Pirate Captain takes precedence because by killing you we ensure the CP9 no longer has control of the pirate kill, which means the pirates might start hitting the cp9 on accident.

but killing the vent is better.
1) it's cp9 which are still 4
2) noone will ever be vented again. additional voice and vote, no more confusion
3) last pirate can still kill.
4) witch will start to control other people

[FM Marco the Phoenix]

Didn't we decide yesterday that Ace is the pirate captain? That would mean you couldn't find him.



I still say it's Ace.

-vote FM Fire Fist Ace

Wow, you're bright. We didn't think of that.
If this is correct, we will cancel out the manual witch-kills made by CP9.

-vote FM Fire Fist Ace

[FM Fire Fist Ace]

I agree that Nami is scum. But Pirate Captain takes precedence because by killing you we ensure the CP9 no longer has control of the pirate kill, which means the pirates might start hitting the cp9 on accident.

Tell me why you think im the pirate captain then. Im more likely to be a cp9 then the pirate captain, I even suggested that the journalist should reveal the framer so we could lynch him. Why not lynch the confirmed scum instead?

[FM Soul King Brook]

i don't know why you'll think ace is the pirate captain... he always voted with town the previous day

[FM Dracule Mihawk]

but killing the vent is better.
1) it's cp9 which are still 4
2) noone will ever be vented again. additional voice and vote, no more confusion
3) last pirate can still kill.
4) witch will start to control other people

I don't the vent would be an issue if everyone had just made codes like we planned... I agree that reducing day confusion is important, but they won't need to confuse us once they've killed us all. I think stopping kills should be our highest priority. At least with the vent we can try to see who is acting differently and potentially figure it out and ignore them. There's not much we can do about dead people.

I say we lynch Ace today, Nami tomorrow.

[FM Fire Fist Ace]

I don't the vent would be an issue if everyone had just made codes like we planned... I agree that reducing day confusion is important, but they won't need to confuse us once they've killed us all. I think stopping kills should be our highest priority. At least with the vent we can try to see who is acting differently and potentially figure it out and ignore them. There's not much we can do about dead people.

I say we lynch Ace today, Nami tomorrow.

Could someone check if his code is right?

[FM Soul King Brook]

I don't the vent would be an issue if everyone had just made codes like we planned... I agree that reducing day confusion is important, but they won't need to confuse us once they've killed us all. I think stopping kills should be our highest priority. At least with the vent we can try to see who is acting differently and potentially figure it out and ignore them. There's not much we can do about dead people.

I say we lynch Ace today, Nami tomorrow.

we've had that discussion yesterday, result was first big mom/nami and then we take care of fist

[FM Dracule Mihawk]

Tell me why you think im the pirate captain then. Im more likely to be a cp9 then the pirate captain, I even suggested that the journalist should reveal the framer so we could lynch him. Why not lynch the confirmed scum instead?

I give you one of Capone's posts from yesterday:

1) You claimed Rebel, and said I was a Marine, and then threatened to kill me.
2) You claimed Citizen, a Citizen wouldn't threaten to kill a Marine.
3) "All Citizen claimers are scum"
4)

Hmm....Fire Fist Ace. ATM, he is not confirmed Rebel by Kidd/WB. He wifom'd Rebel Leader/Scout day1. It's logical if Witch controls him onto someone very scummy (Cyborg Franky) to fail his recruit/scout.

5) You are hardcore deflecting onto EVERYONE.
6) You're calling me an Executioner.
7) "I wanted to side with Marines but I'd rather listen to a DEAD REBEL"

[FM Dracule Mihawk]

Could someone check if his code is right?

You won't do it yourself? Lazy scum.

[FM Tony Tony Chopper]

@Nami

Can you tell us who the pirate captain is so we can lynch him for you?

[FM Fire Fist Ace]

You won't do it yourself? Lazy scum.

Lol, who are you calling lazy? You can't even tell me why you think im the pirate captain. You have to quote Capone.

[FM Dracule Mihawk]

Lol, who are you calling lazy? You can't even tell me why you think im the pirate captain. You have to quote Capone.

I quote Capone because he already made all of the points I would make. But I can paraphrase them in my own words, if you would like.

[FM Tony Tony Chopper]

@Mihawk

Do you think Big Mom was vented on day 2?

[FM Dracule Mihawk]

@Mihawk

Do you think Big Mom was vented on day 2?

Hmm... I'll go look through her posts and get back to you.

[FM Dracule Mihawk]

Aha. Here we are:

Proof I have not been disguised/ventrio’d:

Solution: Kali
{Kali is a Hindu goddess whose name comes from kala which means black, time, death, lord of death.}

k a l i
11 1 12 9
{subtract 10}
1 -9 2 -1
{add modulo’s to the negative numbers and count to the value of 42, the answer to the ultimate question}
1{1} 43{2} 2{1} 987{38}
{Placeholder 0}
1 43 2 0987

That's her code solution from day 2. I think this code is fake. Notice how she justifies her solution and has to explain every detail including the "placeholders". I think this is a steaming pile of bullshit that we should all kick ourselves for not noticing sooner. There is no way this is the code the real Big Mom intended.

So to answer your question more directly: yes, I think Big Mom was ventriloquisted on (and since) day 2.

[FM Soul King Brook]

1) You claimed Rebel, and said I was a Marine, and then threatened to kill me.
2) You claimed Citizen, a Citizen wouldn't threaten to kill a Marine.
3) "All Citizen claimers are scum"
4)
Quote Originally Posted by Capone
Hmm....Fire Fist Ace. ATM, he is not confirmed Rebel by Kidd/WB. He wifom'd Rebel Leader/Scout day1. It's logical if Witch controls him onto someone very scummy (Cyborg Franky) to fail his recruit/scout.
5) You are hardcore deflecting onto EVERYONE.
6) You're calling me an Executioner.
7) "I wanted to side with Marines but I'd rather listen to a DEAD REBEL"

1) he threatened him probably to strength his rebel claim. rebels want to kill marines you know. (maybe he also didn't believe the claim and thought you're cp9). idk why he claimed rebel, maybe he wanted to be a rebel, maybe he wanted to take a bullet to protect the real rebels, maybe he is a real rebel who decided to hide now
2) same as 1
3) i suppose this was not so serious^^
4) they didn't confirm any rebel. and if he's no rebel doesn't mean he is no town
also if they really thought that the person they controlled was rebel leader they would rather witch them on the infiltrator than scummy people. but i rather think the witch would control someone else, someone scummy to find killers (worked obviously)
btw, witch might indeed got the rebel leader on infitrator after he revealed so be careful last remaining rebels
5) what did he mean?
6) how is that a reason?
7) that was the best thing to do at this point

conclusion: he is most likely a little trolling citizen. might be scum indeed, but there's no proof. and chances that he is pirate captain are small...

[FM Dracule Mihawk]

1) he threatened him probably to strength his rebel claim. rebels want to kill marines you know. (maybe he also didn't believe the claim and thought you're cp9). idk why he claimed rebel, maybe he wanted to be a rebel, maybe he wanted to take a bullet to protect the real rebels, maybe he is a real rebel who decided to hide now
2) same as 1
3) i suppose this was not so serious^^
4) they didn't confirm any rebel. and if he's no rebel doesn't mean he is no town
also if they really thought that the person they controlled was rebel leader they would rather witch them on the infiltrator than scummy people. but i rather think the witch would control someone else, someone scummy to find killers (worked obviously)
btw, witch might indeed got the rebel leader on infitrator after he revealed so be careful last remaining rebels
5) what did he mean?
6) how is that a reason?
7) that was the best thing to do at this point

conclusion: he is most likely a little trolling citizen. might be scum indeed, but there's no proof. and chances that he is pirate captain are small...

Why are you defending him? I had you marked as "likely town" but your buddying with Ace is causing me to rethink that.

[FM Fire Fist Ace]

Why are you defending him? I had you marked as "likely town" but your buddying with Ace is causing me to rethink that.

The question is. Why are you defending Nami?

[FM Wet Haired Caribou]

He used placeholders on day 1.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post283319
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...228#post283228 - maybe related

Caribou disagrees. He first believed because of the {placeholders} that we should give Big Mom the benefit of the doubt, but now Caribou has begun to view the solution as a fake. At least according to Caribou.

[FM Tony Tony Chopper]

Aha. Here we are:



That's her code solution from day 2. I think this code is fake. Notice how she justifies her solution and has to explain every detail including the "placeholders". I think this is a steaming pile of bullshit that we should all kick ourselves for not noticing sooner. There is no way this is the code the real Big Mom intended.

So to answer your question more directly: yes, I think Big Mom was ventriloquisted on (and since) day 2.

You make a good point.

-vote FM Cat Thief Nami

I think we should vote Nami instead of lynching Ace and Caribou who could be citizens + it will be hard to get enough votes to lynch either of them. Town holds the majority but we have a lot of lurkers and any disagreement over lynching the possible cits could cause us to no-lynch which isn't an option.

[FM Wet Haired Caribou]

Caribou thinks Dracule is smart for figuring out that Ace, if the Pirate Captain, would also show up not suspicious to the navy admiral.

Good work, Sir Mihawk.

-vote FM Fire Fist Ace

[FM Dracule Mihawk]

The question is. Why are you defending Nami?

I agree that Nami is scum. But Pirate Captain takes precedence because by killing you we ensure the CP9 no longer has control of the pirate kill, which means the pirates might start hitting the cp9 on accident.

I don't the vent would be an issue if everyone had just made codes like we planned... I agree that reducing day confusion is important, but they won't need to confuse us once they've killed us all. I think stopping kills should be our highest priority. At least with the vent we can try to see who is acting differently and potentially figure it out and ignore them. There's not much we can do about dead people.

I say we lynch Ace today, Nami tomorrow.

It appears my posts are beyond your reading level. Please have your parent or guardian explain to you what I mean before you comment so that you don't continue to make yourself look like such moron every time you speak.

[FM Fire Fist Ace]

It appears my posts are beyond your reading level. Please have your parent or guardian explain to you what I mean before you comment so that you don't continue to make yourself look like such moron every time you speak.

You are buying him another Day by lynching a citizen. Your actions are very anti town.

[FM Dracule Mihawk]

Or perhaps it's the word "defend" you have trouble understanding. Have Soul King Brook explain it to you tonight in your night chat if we don't lynch you today.

[FM Dracule Mihawk]

You are buying him another Day by lynching a citizen. Your actions are very anti town.

Lynching the Pirate Captain is anti-town he says. Ladies and Gentlemen, we've got ourselves a jee-nee-us.

[FM Fire Fist Ace]

Lynching the Pirate Captain is anti-town he says. Ladies and Gentlemen, we've got ourselves a jee-nee-us.

No, lynching a citizen over a confirmed scum is anti town. Im not going to flip pirate captain. But nami is guaranteed to flip scum.

[FM Soul King Brook]

Why are you defending him? I had you marked as "likely town" but your buddying with Ace is causing me to rethink that.

because i think that nami is the better lynch and because i want for evidence (i don't trust you so much)

[FM Fire Fist Ace]

We will reduce scum votes by 2 if we lynch the ventro which is most likely nami.

[FM Tony Tony Chopper]

1) he threatened him probably to strength his rebel claim. rebels want to kill marines you know. (maybe he also didn't believe the claim and thought you're cp9). idk why he claimed rebel, maybe he wanted to be a rebel, maybe he wanted to take a bullet to protect the real rebels, maybe he is a real rebel who decided to hide now
2) same as 1
3) i suppose this was not so serious^^
4) they didn't confirm any rebel. and if he's no rebel doesn't mean he is no town
also if they really thought that the person they controlled was rebel leader they would rather witch them on the infiltrator than scummy people. but i rather think the witch would control someone else, someone scummy to find killers (worked obviously)
btw, witch might indeed got the rebel leader on infitrator after he revealed so be careful last remaining rebels
5) what did he mean?
6) how is that a reason?
7) that was the best thing to do at this point

conclusion: he is most likely a little trolling citizen. might be scum indeed, but there's no proof. and chances that he is pirate captain are small...

I agree with Soul King. Ace seems more like a citizen to me and I'm not sure what he's done to make him the 99% confirmed pirate captain in the eyes of Mihawk and friends.

[FM Red Haired Shanks]

-vote FM Cat Thief Nami

Nami is best choice right now.