S-FM 63 : Small Round

[Slaol]

Creed's post seem scummy, which means he is Town.

[creedkingsx]

Seems legit

[Slaol]

TDL is reluctant to be active.

TDL was active earlier, but kind of wanted the day to end. I forgive his inactivity if he shows back up with more reasonable points since basically everything said earlier was pro-town.

Titus's contradiction was attacking my trust for him (that lasted a long time), then instantly buddys with TDL. TDL = Town, Titus = Mafia

[TheDarkestLight]

I have returned from school and have a few things to say.

First off, the claim that Titus is buddying me: I noticed this and dismissed it due to Titus's inexperiance, new players generally tend to sheep/follow/buddy more experianced players, especially those who seem townish to them.
Second, role claiming: I made a mistake in claiming my role and -I think- making Orpz and Slaol claim theirs, this allows the scum to know exactly what everyone is already practically, and puts our Sheriff in risk. No more claiming until tommorow. No lynch today, no lynch tommorow -unless there is no-kill-.
Third, Bunny's accusation: Nothing big, I already listed Bunny as a possible Consort -because meta- and I am not surprised I was thrown onto the scum table by her.

All I got for now, let me remember a few things and I'll have more.

[Orpz]

I am home. Catching up now

[Orpz]

No lynch today, no lynch tommorow -unless there is no-kill-.

Discourages lynching. Confirmed scum.

[TheDarkestLight]

Discourages lynching. Confirmed scum.

Let me restate the plan I had.

D1: Scum hunt and stuff.
N1: Doc heal who they think is gonna die and Sheriff check a scummy person.
D2: Sheriff outs inno/guilty, if no cc we lynch guilties, if there is a cc we don't lynch and cross check -if possible-
N2: Doctor heals one of the Sheriffs -to prevent saccing- Sheriff cross checks.
D3: Sheriffs out new leads -unless RBed- and we lynch between Sheriffs, relies on D1 scum hunting and who they claimed as what.
N3: Whatever happens then.
D4: Lynch last Mafia, should be obvious based off voting paterns.

[TheDarkestLight]

I am in no way discouraging lynching for the whole of this game. The lynch today is just a god awful idea.

[Orpz]

Mislynch on Day 3 = gg
D1 Lynch on the scummiest person is better, imo.

[TheDarkestLight]

Mislynch on Day 3 = gg
D1 Lynch on the scummiest person is better, imo.

No it is not. If we lynch the Sheriff we might as well give up, I'm not even kidding. The only reason I might consider lynching today is because three people already claimed technically and the Mafia will know most of the roles, if not all.

Yet I still stand by waiting.

[TheDarkestLight]

I see RLVG browsing this thread. I wish to see his current thoughts. This could give me all the info I need on the roles according to players.

[Orpz]

No it is not. If we lynch the Sheriff we might as well give up, I'm not even kidding. The only reason I might consider lynching today is because three people already claimed technically and the Mafia will know most of the roles, if not all.

Yet I still stand by waiting.

Why would the Sheriff be the scummiest person? I'm not talking about a random lynch here lol

"If we lynch the Sheriff we might as well give up"
On day 3 wasn't your plan to pick between Sheriffs? Your statement applies more to your plan because Town loses if you lynch the Sheriff. Whereas in Day 1 if we derp a lynch, it'll be on a Citizen (Power role would claim), and we can still win.

[TheDarkestLight]

Why would the Sheriff be the scummiest person? I'm not talking about a random lynch here lol

"If we lynch the Sheriff we might as well give up"
On day 3 wasn't your plan to pick between Sheriffs? Your statement applies more to your plan because Town loses if you lynch the Sheriff. Whereas in Day 1 if we derp a lynch, it'll be on a Citizen (Power role would claim), and we can still win.

Yet if we get a PR to claim guess what happens. Kill/RB. You already claimed Doctor, we don't want to have to force the Sheriff to claim this early.

[Orpz]

Yet if we get a PR to claim guess what happens. Kill/RB. You already claimed Doctor, we don't want to have to force the Sheriff to claim this early.

I think we both have a good idea of who the Sheriff is. I wanted to lynch RLVG today, actually.
What do you think his role is?

[creedkingsx]

I'll read this up real quick in a bit and post more thorough posts on what you guys have been saying.

[TheDarkestLight]

I think we both have a good idea of who the Sheriff is. I wanted to lynch RLVG today, actually.
What do you think his role is?

RLVG: Seems to be lurking, is on yet doesn't post. Accused by Slaol. Says he won't read because its all spam. Probably Citizen due to scum spots being taken, yet might be scum incase meta on other is wrong.

Taken directly from my notes in word-pad.

[Orpz]

For taking notes in notepad, I will consider you Town .

Your notes are more than sufficient reason to FoS RLVG, however. Is there someone more scummy in your opinion?

[TheDarkestLight]

Do you wish me to reveal my notes on everyone?

[Orpz]

Do you wish me to reveal my notes on everyone?

I request you keep the power roles safe. I have a good idea of who they are already so revealing them is needless.

[Orpz]

that was a yes btw

[TheDarkestLight]

I request you keep the power roles safe. I have a good idea of who they are already so revealing them is needless.

Slaol: Seems trolly, spams in all caps, was said that he did that once as scum, claimed Citizen.

Orpz: Thinks I am discouraging lynching, claimed Doctor. Thinks a lynch on D1 is smart, even though we have no info.

Bunny: Thinks I am scum, Consort because meta.

creedkingsx: Says I'm scummy, then proceeds to agree with someone who says I'm town. Seems to be lurking, is on yet doesn't post, apparently this means nothing from others who have meta. Says he'll read posts yet leaves the thread. Mafioso from Consort being taken. Might be a Citizen however.

RLVG: Seems to be lurking, is on yet doesn't post. Accused by Slaol. Says he won't read because its all spam. Probably Citizen due to scum spots being taken, yet might be scum incase meta on other is wrong.

Titus: Nooby, seems to be trying to buddy with me, trying to WIFOM Sheriff.

[Orpz]

You have 3 "maybe Citizens" listed,
of those 3, 2 are listed as "Might be scum".

Hypothetically if you were to go with a lynch today, which one would you pick? I'm just curious.

[TheDarkestLight]

I would most likely pick RLVG, due to everyone elses meta that creed normally does what I said.

[Titus]

@Orpz, anyone can claim notes in note pad.

I could claim I copied the following above in notepad. That claim does not make him more town.

@All, I was not buddying with TDL but listening to his logic. I am beginning to think that was a mistake. TDL has already discouraged a day 2 lynch. I think that is a foolish manuever. The only way that could be beneficial is that Doctor guesses right, sherrif claims and no counterclaim from mafia. I don't like that at all.

Suspicious
RLVG
TDL

Neutral
Bunny (I just cannot get a read on her)
Slaol (He's suspicious because he has annoyed me with caps but seems to be real active and attempting [but failing] to help town]
Creed (No real read on him yet either)

Likely Town
Orpz

If I had to lynch, I would probably follow if the group picked either RLVG or TDL. I'd want more information if a neutral was put up. If someone wanted to lynch Orpz, I'd go WTF.

Btw, I should be back for the next hour or so until the day ends.

[Cryptonic]

Day ends in approximately 15 minutes

[Titus]

Ok, as my last word, I am surprised that I had to leave for about 5 or 6 hours and that there were maybe 15 productive posts. I should have had to scramble to get my thoughts up before the day ended.

[TheDarkestLight]

@Orpz, anyone can claim notes in note pad.

I could claim I copied the following above in notepad. That claim does not make him more town.

@All, I was not buddying with TDL but listening to his logic. I am beginning to think that was a mistake. TDL has already discouraged a day 2 lynch. I think that is a foolish manuever. The only way that could be beneficial is that Doctor guesses right, sherrif claims and no counterclaim from mafia. I don't like that at all.

Suspicious
RLVG
TDL

Neutral
Bunny (I just cannot get a read on her)
Slaol (He's suspicious because he has annoyed me with caps but seems to be real active and attempting [but failing] to help town]
Creed (No real read on him yet either)

Likely Town
Orpz

If I had to lynch, I would probably follow if the group picked either RLVG or TDL. I'd want more information if a neutral was put up. If someone wanted to lynch Orpz, I'd go WTF.

Btw, I should be back for the next hour or so until the day ends.

You prove your ignorance. If we don't lynch today we will be in MYLO tommorow. 2v4. AKA if we lynch a Town we lose unless the Doctor is extremelly lucky cause 2v3 after the lynch, then 2v2 the next day, gg. Yet waiting that extra day makes it 2v3 at day, narrowing the game down significantly allowing us to get more insight from who is dead and who said what.

[Orpz]

If Doctor is following, he should know exactly who to heal

me you asshole

[Titus]

If this really was ignorance TDL, then others would be voting for their target of choice. The group seems to be unanimous, wait for day 2. In fact, you did not even vote RVLG symbolically. Have the courage of your convictions, vote. Otherwise this seems to be hot air, encouraging jumping the gun and highly suspicious.

Your scenario supposes that

1) Mafia kills tomorrow (doc may heal) That would make 4 v 2
2) Town mistakenly lynches on day 2, If no mistake 3 v 1 and we are still fine
3) Doc then gets it wrong

Far too many assumptions. I will trust the town to make the right move.

[Orpz]

-unvote

No lynch today I guess

[Cryptonic]

Night One

Day One has ended. Nobody was lynched!

Players list:
1. Orpz
2. Slaol
3. TheDarkestLight
4. Bunny
5. creedkingsx
6. RLVG
7. Titus

Night One ends in 24 hours, at 8:30 PM EST.
Night actions are required 1 hours before night ends.
Night chat is now open.

[Cryptonic]

Day Two

Night One has ended! Orpz was killed. His role was Doctor.

Roleslist:
Mafioso
Consort
Sheriff
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Players list:
1. Slaol
2. TheDarkestLight
3. Bunny
4. creedkingsx
5. RLVG
6. Titus

Graveyard:
Orpz - Doctor

Day Two ends in 24 hours at 9:00 PM EST.
4 votes to hammer.

[TheDarkestLight]

Why the hell did he have to claim...

[TheDarkestLight]

We need a role-blocked claim cause it wasn't on me.

[creedkingsx]

why the hell did they kill him? LOL
Would have been easier to block him and kill someone else. Mafia is stupid.

1. Slaol
2. TheDarkestLight
3. Bunny
4. creedkingsx
5. RLVG
6. Titus


This is our list.

-vote Titus

[TheDarkestLight]

It was still retarded of him to claim...

[TheDarkestLight]

Also lol at how I guessed him right on my list.

[Titus]

I wasn't roleblocked either. Consort would not have hit the doctor probably.

We have 4 v 2.

Why the hell are you voting me?

[creedkingsx]

You are the newest of us. Mafia choosing to kill the doctor rather than blocking and killing someone else is something expected of someone newer.

[TheDarkestLight]

I stand by my plan from yesterday.

[Titus]

Really, killing a known enemy is a newbie role? Mafia kills doctor, sherrif may not want to reveal without knowledge of mafia because sherrif cannot be healed. Just because it's not your wifom doesn't make it new. Mafia might be able to rb sherrif and sail. Too many options here. I don't like such an early vote though.

[Titus]

Plus killing sherrif means mafia cannot claim it. Total fail if that happens.

[TheDarkestLight]

Lynching today is a HORRIBLE idea.

[TheDarkestLight]

Plus killing sherrif means mafia cannot claim it. Total fail if that happens.

I doubt our scum hunting skills.

[Titus]

If our scum hunting skills suck, we are screwed if we lynch today or tomorrow. Doesn't really matter TDL. You are really suspicious. Trying to force early claims and now saying not to lynch.

[creedkingsx]

Role calling is useless. Everyone will just claim Citizen.
What I said, Titus, has nothing to do with WIFOM. It is just intelligent thought. The only person mafia cares about is the Sheriff, everyone else is useless.

[Titus]

Now, the only person mafia cares about is sherrif. You can RB doctor, guess kill and likely get a citizen. Or you can take out known doctor, and rb possible sherrif. More citizens = more room to hide as mafia. Kill sherrif, well that means you have to keep rbing doctor. Consort gets lynched, you are forced to kill the doctor.

Try it the other way. Kill doctor, you constantly have two shots at sherrif unless one mafia gets lynched.

[creedkingsx]

I'd rather possibly kill Sheriff than possibly RB sheriff.
You are little spouting the epitome of stupidity right now.

Although, in your defense, I think you seek simply to be the opposite side of the stance I partake on with the basis that I voted you for your justification.

Which is stupid, selfish and scummy.

I keep my vote as is.

[Titus]

Also, Creed if I was such a newbie mafia... wouldn't my partner stop me from being an idiot? I hate how in this game everyone is thinking that disagreement = stupidity.


Let's play it out.

Your scenario: Night 1 - RB Doc, 1/4 odds of hitting sherrif
Night 2 - RB Doc, 1/3 odds of hitting sherrif

My scenario: Night 1 - Kill Doc, 1/4 odds RB Sherrif
Night 2 - 1/3 odds of killing sherrif, 1/3 odds RB Sherrif

From a pure math standpoint, killing doctor = best move. Yet, you seem to accuse and then call my logic selfish and scummy.

Let's start getting evidence, rather than meta. Who was trolling Orpz? Slaol.
Who is telling us not to lynch, forcing us to guess right tomorrow when mafia has two shots to block sherrif tonight? TDL.
Who has lacked positive contributions? RLVG (Creed is obviously contributing even though I find his contributions being suspicious given the fact I was wifoming/or was actually sherrif.)


Part of me thinks, pure speculation, that mafia missed sherrif. Mafia then knows I WIFOMed sherrif. They assume I am likely sherrif. So first thing they do is accuse trying to draw out sherrif. Creed, your moves are very suspicious in my book.

My suggestion, sherrif should not claim unless they have known mafia. Let's not play into their hands.

[Bunny]

I do have to agree with creed that sheriff would have been a bit of a better kill target. @titus: i think what tdl is getting at by not lynching is that we can't afford to mislynch today. Currently i am still undecided about titus, she does seem scummy tho. My eye is on sloal and rlvg. I'm guessing titus could be consort and then sloal/rlvg is mafioso. ALTHOUGH, consort can kill and block if mafioso dies, so maybe she is a better target. I'll have to wait and see once everyone has posted then i can decide who i'll cast my vote on. If we don't lynch today, the odds are our favor to lynch a scum because there are less people to choose from tomorrow.