Day 3: End of the Brig

[FM Eustass Kidd]

Pirate Captain
Hidden Pirate (Consort???)
Hidden Pirate (Framer/Blackmailer???)
Infiltrator
Drug Dealer
Witch
Hidden CP9 (Vent???)
Navy Admiral
Hidden Marine (Enforcer???)
Jester
Electromaniac

Just stating existing factions except Town. (plus my guesses)

[FM Soul King Brook]

town:
doctor (given)
bd (confirmed)
journalist (confirmed)
escort (rbs confirmed but maybe consort)
mayor? second doc?

considering the meta of the game i think the town has neither killing roles (blacksmith, vet) nor investigative roles (coroner). our power is in the vote (-> mayor) and additionally we have the protective roles, which no other faction has (so i think nor consort and (also for other reasons, like 2 dead marines and the existence of a jailor) no bg)

[FM Whitebeard]

Oh lol I'm rebel leader.

Busted.

I don't think the pirates will have a consort and a framer. It's probably either consort or framer and either blackmailer or disguiser. Those roles fill similar niches. One disrupts night actions, the others mainly influence the chat.

Has anyone been in architect chat yet? I'd think that if it existed at least one person would've revealed. It seems like the jailor may have been the role that was there to make connections at night.

[FM Eustass Kidd]

Oh lol I'm rebel leader.

Busted.

I don't think the pirates will have a consort and a framer. It's probably either consort or framer and either blackmailer or disguiser. Those roles fill similar niches. One disrupts night actions, the others mainly influence the chat.

Has anyone been in architect chat yet? I'd think that if it existed at least one person would've revealed. It seems like the jailor may have been the role that was there to make connections at night.

Thanks for so pro-hiding!
Anyway, when cards are revealed, would you like to have a clue that may give you SCUM by about 40%?

[FM Eustass Kidd]

Oh, wait! I counted it wrong! He/she's even 79% scum and 21% town!

[FM Whitebeard]

Well I already know of course, but if you have something you want to share, share it.

[FM Eustass Kidd]

Thanks for so pro-hiding!
Anyway, when cards are revealed, would you like to have a clue that may give you SCUM by about 40%?

When I said "you", I meant the Town *blink-blink*

[FM Buggy the Clown]

I am so sad right now.

It's so obvious that your a marine. You didn't want anyone lynched yesterday so your jailor could jail.

Jailor can jail even if there was a lynch.

[FM Whitebeard]

Good, I never liked clowns anyway.

But seriously kid, spill your beans if you have something important to add to the discussion.

[FM Don Krieg]

Good, I never liked clowns anyway.

But seriously kid, spill your beans if you have something important to add to the discussion.

Was about to say it, no reason to hold important information back!

[FM Eustass Kidd]

First of all, let's get back to this

Pirate Captain
Hidden Pirate (Consort???)
Hidden Pirate (Framer/Blackmailer???)
Infiltrator
Drug Dealer
Witch
Hidden CP9 (Vent???)
Navy Admiral
Hidden Marine (Enforcer???)
Jester
Electromaniac

Just stating existing factions except Town. (plus my guesses)

We have 11 power roles minus Infiltrator - 10, that are scum to town (well, marines are scum for us); plus we also have 5 TPR minus doctor claim and confirmed Journalist. Let's count: 14. There are 14 power roles except rebellion and Infiltrator and 11 of them are non-towns (again, without Inf).
That means that the person I'll reveal has 79% chance of being enemy and 21% of being TPR. So, if you are ready:

According to our Rebel Scout code (if I read it right), Black Leg Sanji is that person who is 0000000000 scum/town. *Discuss*
God, Scout, you just DONT REVEAL. I doubt Doc will protect Whitebeard from our enemies' attack, let's have at least 1 ruler to be hided.

[FM Fire Fist Ace]

I am so sad right now.



Jailor can jail even if there was a lynch.

Jailor can't execute if there is a lynch and marines want to execute so they can kill rebels.

[FM Big Mom]

Oh lol I'm rebel leader.

Busted.

I don't think the pirates will have a consort and a framer. It's probably either consort or framer and either blackmailer or disguiser. Those roles fill similar niches. One disrupts night actions, the others mainly influence the chat.

Has anyone been in architect chat yet? I'd think that if it existed at least one person would've revealed. It seems like the jailor may have been the role that was there to make connections at night.

[FM Jewelry Bonney]

Sorry guys should have posted this yesterday, but I didn't have a chance after Urouge claimed

Spoiler : Exhibit A "Urogues Code" :

Spoiler : Exhibit B "Not Journalist" :

Spoiler : Exhibit C "Article" :

Spoiler : Exhibit D "I Interviewed Urouge" :

Spoiler : Exhibit E "Urogue Confirms" :

Spoiler : Exhibit F "Urogues Code Revealed" :

Spoiler : Exhibit G "Prove Myself Again" :

Spoiler : Exhibit H "I am the real Bonney" :

Based on this evidence I have conclude that Bonnie has been colluding with Urogue, and that Bonnie is neither journalist nor Urogue the writer of the article.

First clue. Bonnie is not a journalist because she doesn't know how it works. Introducing Exhibit B. Bonnie's journalist claim. Notice that it is well into day 1 and she hasn't personally inquired with the First Mate about how the role works. On this evidence alone I believe her not be journalist.

Second clue. However, through careful maneuvering and WIFOM I was able to force her to claim her interview target. Allow me to introduce Exhibit D. Alone this means nothing, but I'd like to pair it with our....

Third clue. I'd like to bring up Exhibit C. This is an article minutes before the deadline for the night. Notice the "Scum" hinted at in the article, specifically FM Urouge, quite intriguing in my opinion. Obviously Urogue did not write this article.

Fourth clue. Bonnie indicates in Exhibit G that she can post alongside the inteviewee. Why has she not done so? This is a lie. I verified this last night with First Mate.

Fifth clue. Some of this evidence could easily be explained away by bonnie being the target of a ventriloquist. So lets address that issue. I present Exhibit H. In this post bonney confirms her code although it is a little bit off, according to others the slight deviation is more likely caused by human error rather than ventriloquist genius.

Based on this evidence it is clear that...

BONNIE IS SCUM

But wait there's more, another scum has been detected?

First clue. Introducing Exhibit E. Urouge Confirms. Simply put Urouge want's to confirm his partner Bonnie

Other clues. Introducing Exhibit A and Exhibit F. Urouge not only posted code night 1, but he completed it night 2.

UROUGE IS SCUM

Well played folks. I am now confirmed CITIZEN!

"bonnie is not a journalist because she doesn't know how it works"
-wouldn't a better explanation be that i had no idea how it worked, but i rolled it, and had dificulty forming a strategy on how to use journalist?

third clue
-he definitly wrote it, unless vent can control interviews, which i doubt

4h clue
-from two or three FMs ago, i thought you could post alongside, and the FM gave me a weird answer. that is NOT my fault. i thought his answer meant yes you could, as opposed to giving me a straight up yes/no

5th clue
-your dumb for thinking i'm still vented

Zoro is a jester!

-vote FM Urouge

[FM Big Mom]

"bonnie is not a journalist because she doesn't know how it works"
-wouldn't a better explanation be that i had no idea how it worked, but i rolled it, and had dificulty forming a strategy on how to use journalist?

third clue
-he definitly wrote it, unless vent can control interviews, which i doubt

4h clue
-from two or three FMs ago, i thought you could post alongside, and the FM gave me a weird answer. that is NOT my fault. i thought his answer meant yes you could, as opposed to giving me a straight up yes/no

5th clue
-your dumb for thinking i'm still vented

Zoro is a jester!

-vote FM Urouge

Please do your disguiser code to prove you were not vented.

[FM Big Mom]

"bonnie is not a journalist because she doesn't know how it works"
-wouldn't a better explanation be that i had no idea how it worked, but i rolled it, and had dificulty forming a strategy on how to use journalist?

third clue
-he definitly wrote it, unless vent can control interviews, which i doubt

4h clue
-from two or three FMs ago, i thought you could post alongside, and the FM gave me a weird answer. that is NOT my fault. i thought his answer meant yes you could, as opposed to giving me a straight up yes/no

5th clue
-your dumb for thinking i'm still vented

Zoro is a jester!

-vote FM Urouge

TBH I am surprised that you changed your mind about Urouge after protecting him all of yesterday, the opinion transformation strikes me as fabricated from a disg/ventrio rather than a natural shift.

Will you post your reads on Urouge and Caribou?

[FM Wet Haired Caribou]

Well then. Caribou is rather surprised he survived the night. Either way.

Caribou is not too surprised about Law's death. We cannot blame Foxy for picking him. Marines are obviously going to try and focus down the Rebels as they are a huge threat to them. Foxy's death does surprise Caribou though; Caribou wonders why the Pirates decided to target him. Pure luck?

This was a completely uneventful night for Caribou.

Code:
B R O W N C A R I B O U
Key:
K U M A K U M A K U M A
11 21 13 1 11 21 13 1 11 21 13 1
Result:
M M B X Y X N S T W B V

Also my current list of suspects include:

Caribou

Interesting.
Care to share your concerns with the rest of us?

And obviously;

-vote FM Urouge

[FM Big Mom]

I find it interesting that all the guys who FoS you end up dying.

Also why is nobody questioning the motives of CP9 killing FM Hody Jones? He did only 10 posts and he "suspected" FM Uroge to be a marine...

He had a pretty good analysis of FM Wet Haired Caribou as well. I wouldn't be surprised that he had to die for it.

This post: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post283449


this post triggered his death.

Now that i think of it. FM Wet haired Caribou is a good CG9 Ventrilloquist suspect hmm..

Aye. That's what i am saying. Also Caribou is a middle fielder who doesn't polarise at all. The only thing which was noteworthy in my notes of him was the point yesterday. He asked which lynch train we should follow between Cyborg Franky and Zorro and he swapped over on Franky which makes him less likely pirate in my book.

A normal pirate would have just put his vote on Zorro or on no one at this point.

Explain yourself. I am bracing for a weak rebuttle.

[FM Tony Tony Chopper]

Oh lol I'm rebel leader.

Busted.

I don't think the pirates will have a consort and a framer. It's probably either consort or framer and either blackmailer or disguiser. Those roles fill similar niches. One disrupts night actions, the others mainly influence the chat.

Has anyone been in architect chat yet? I'd think that if it existed at least one person would've revealed. It seems like the jailor may have been the role that was there to make connections at night.

Why did you reveal?
Have you failed to recruit anyone?
If so, who are they?

Annoyed? Explains Jester and also explains that we have EM and Drug Dealer. That's for sure now.

But... wait... So there are 2 bus claimers yesterday??? We may be back to the Witch version.

I doubt a jester would annoy someone as it makes it harder for them to be lynched. It makes more sense for it to be a drug to make town more wary about lynching jester suspects like Trafalgar. As we are missing an arso douse today (so far), both the arso douse and annoy could be drugs and the second neutral hasn't notified anyone (still could be jester).

If you are the real journalist, now is the time to claim. I doubt there is one after 2 days of Bonney being unchallenged.

[FM Dracule Mihawk]

Well then. Caribou is rather surprised he survived the night.

How did you expect you would die?

[FM Whitebeard]

According to our Rebel Scout code (if I read it right), Black Leg Sanji is that person who is 0000000000 scum/town. *Discuss*

Sanji seemed scummy and evasive when I questioned him yesterday. I find it hard to believe that rebels would check him to see if he was a citizen.

As for your question about siding with rebels or marines, the odds are looking better for the rebels right now. It might still swing the other way, but it seems unlikely. There are probably more rebels than marines and rebels may still grow. The bigger problem is that if Jimbei's bus claim is true, CP9 probably controls 2 night kills and they're more likely to side with the pirates. Marines are in a really tough spot if you ask me. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes, but they're still best off siding with town

[FM Whitebeard]

TBH I am surprised that you changed your mind about Urouge after protecting him all of yesterday, the opinion transformation strikes me as fabricated from a disg/ventrio rather than a natural shift.

Will you post your reads on Urouge and Caribou?

No cleans, so disguiser is impossible.

[FM Wet Haired Caribou]

How did you expect you would die?

Electromaniac Death.
Either from him targetting Caribou; or the possible Witch controlling either Big Mom or I on each other.
A witched Citizen does count as visiting, right?

.

It would probably help Caribou if the link you posted would work and if you kept the names of whoever said these in.
Caribou apologizes he can't remember everything everyone said.

Fix your post and Caribou shall answer it.

[FM Tony Tony Chopper]

I don't feel particularly strongly about Urouge but there enough votes that a claim from him is inevitable so I will add my vote. Afterwards I'd like to pressure Apoo or someone else on Big Mom's list. Apart from Whitebeard and somewhat Kidd, although he used to be lurking, we've only seen lurkers as faction members and I think we have a better chance finding them among that list.

im popular.. n1 bus n2 bus n annoy

btw replacement... lots to read.. gimme a sec

If this is true it confirms there is a witch and both the jester annoy and arso douse are drugs/lies. Not sure why a witch would go around making people target themselves and wouldn't Franky investigate not kill himself? They have the pirate captain or worse hidden roles to send to kill. This makes me think Jimbei is lying about being driven on night 1, unless he was drugged and the arso douse was real. As his role was replaced instead of mod killed like Robin, he has a good chance of being a faction member.

-vote FM Urouge

[FM Soul King Brook]

First of all, let's get back to this



We have 11 power roles minus Infiltrator - 10, that are scum to town (well, marines are scum for us); plus we also have 5 TPR minus doctor claim and confirmed Journalist. Let's count: 14. There are 14 power roles except rebellion and Infiltrator and 11 of them are non-towns (again, without Inf).
That means that the person I'll reveal has 79% chance of being enemy and 21% of being TPR. So, if you are ready:

According to our Rebel Scout code (if I read it right), Black Leg Sanji is that person who is 0000000000 scum/town. *Discuss*
God, Scout, you just DONT REVEAL. I doubt Doc will protect Whitebeard from our enemies' attack, let's have at least 1 ruler to be hided.

interesting. i won't reveal who i think is rebel scout, for your own safety. also i doubt that whitebeard is the rebel, which he also claimed. idk why he claimed rebel leader at first^^ maybe to take a cp9 kill


also, jewelry bonney has already voted urouge yesterday. idk why he changed his mind but so it's no vent

[FM Tony Tony Chopper]

No cleans, so disguiser is impossible.

Why did you reveal?
Have you failed to recruit anyone?
If so, who are they?

[FM Whitebeard]

Why did you reveal?
Have you failed to recruit anyone?
If so, who are they?

Because the WIFOM tastes good.

Yeah I failed to recruit Urouge last night. So I doubt he's a citizen.

[FM Tony Tony Chopper]

Because the WIFOM tastes good.

Yeah I failed to recruit Urouge last night. So I doubt he's a citizen.

You doubt? Citizens have to be recruited.

[FM Dracule Mihawk]

im popular.. n1 bus n2 bus n annoy

btw replacement... lots to read.. gimme a sec

So you were bussed with me night one... Unless one of us was drugged (unlikely, since there are 3 different neutral feedback claims and only 2 possible neutrals) it would seem that the witch has found the Pirate Captain.

Electromaniac Death.
Either from him targetting Caribou; or the possible Witch controlling either Big Mom or I on each other.
A witched Citizen does count as visiting, right?

That would count, yes. But it would appear the witch had other plans.

[FM Whitebeard]

You dare speak up against the rebel leader?!

I still doubt he's a citizen.

[FM Fire Fist Ace]

You doubt? Citizens have to be recruited.

Marines could have used a enforcer, but that's unlikely

[FM Don Krieg]

Please do your disguiser code to prove you were not vented.

As a side note, can you do too? I would have expected you to post it by now.. unless you don't know it.

[FM Soul King Brook]

if really the witch controlled the pirate killer then we have to think about why the cp9 wanted foxy dead.

[FM Dracule Mihawk]

Because the WIFOM tastes good.

Yeah I failed to recruit Urouge last night. So I doubt he's a citizen.

No way this guy is a rebel. Unless he's stupid, there's no way the rebel leader would want to recruit Urouge last night, given that he looked incredibly scummy and was likely to be jailed/executed, vig shot, or lynched today.

[FM Sogeking]

Makes me think there is a witch and a bus driver in the game.




I think you are grasping at straws here.

I don't know why people think this guy isn't possible a citizen. I think the real reason why this guy was replaced because he was bussed. Sense this guy was bussed that makes him more important to replace than other roles. The main concern I'm thinking about is why would the jester target the person he was swapped with. Why would a jester even annoy?

[FM Sogeking]

im popular.. n1 bus n2 bus n annoy

btw replacement... lots to read.. gimme a sec

I don't know why people think this guy isn't possible a citizen. I think the real reason why this guy was replaced because he was bussed. Sense this guy was bussed that makes him more important to replace than other roles. The main concern I'm thinking about is why would the jester target the person he was swapped with. Why would a jester even annoy?

fixed wrong quote

[FM Whitebeard]

No way this guy is a rebel. Unless he's stupid, there's no way the rebel leader would want to recruit Urouge last night, given that he looked incredibly scummy and was likely to be jailed/executed, vig shot, or lynched today.

Why would a jailor or vigilante kill a CP9 though? And CP9 possibly controls the mafia kill, so Urouge definitely wasn't going to die except maybe to blacksmith guns.

[FM Scratchmen Apoo]

Reading through now

[FM Jewelry Bonney]

Please do your disguiser code to prove you were not vented.

TBH I am surprised that you changed your mind about Urouge after protecting him all of yesterday, the opinion transformation strikes me as fabricated from a disg/ventrio rather than a natural shift.

Will you post your reads on Urouge and Caribou?

will post reads on caribou after class

saxophone, dice

switched on urouge for not posting fast enough.

[FM Dracule Mihawk]

Why would a jailor or vigilante kill a CP9 though? And CP9 possibly controls the mafia kill, so Urouge definitely wasn't going to die except maybe to blacksmith guns.

Once again you prove that you're not a rebel. If you thought Urouge was a CP9, the last thing you'd want to do is try to recruit him. At best you would fail, and gain no recruit and have to out yourself in order to get him killed, at worst you get an infiltrator who joins your ranks and destroys you from the inside.

[FM Scratchmen Apoo]

In fact I'll hop on the train while I read through

-vote Fm Urouge

[FM Whitebeard]

In fact I'll hop on the train while I read through

-vote Fm Urouge

I sense a sheep. Maybe I should try recruiting you into the flock.

Or maybe you are scum. Hmm.

Can you try to convince me that your intentions aren't malign? Such as sharing your reads on Black Leg Sanji and Dracule Mihawk?

[FM Big Mom]

Electromaniac Death.
Either from him targetting Caribou; or the possible Witch controlling either Big Mom or I on each other.
A witched Citizen does count as visiting, right?


It would probably help Caribou if the link you posted would work and if you kept the names of whoever said these in.
Caribou apologizes he can't remember everything everyone said.

Fix your post and Caribou shall answer it.

Shite rebuttal as expected, Hody and Boa died for the same reason, lynch this guy when I go next.

[FM Big Mom]

As a side note, can you do too? I would have expected you to post it by now.. unless you don't know it.

I doubt anyone could truly mimick my activity levels and posting style.

[FM Big Mom]

I doubt anyone could truly mimick my activity levels and posting style.

If anyone really cares

lightsabers
usetheforce

[FM Wet Haired Caribou]

Shite rebuttal as expected, Hody and Boa died for the same reason, lynch this guy when I go next.

You didn't even try repairing your post.
Why should Caribou make any effort to answer your question if you won't make any yourself?
Caribou is all for answering it.

[FM Scratchmen Apoo]

I sense a sheep. Maybe I should try recruiting you into the flock.

Or maybe you are scum. Hmm.

Can you try to convince me that your intentions aren't malign? Such as sharing your reads on Black Leg Sanji and Dracule Mihawk?

I thought the general consensus was that Urouge is scum? o.O

[FM Big Mom]

You didn't even try repairing your post.
Why should Caribou make any effort to answer your question if you won't make any yourself?
Caribou is all for answering it.

My post is fine. Refusal to respond to accusations levied against you, noted.
Avoid pressure harder, scum.

[FM Don Krieg]

I thought the general consensus was that Urouge is scum? o.O

The true skill lies in making it look like you are not sheeping.

[FM Whitebeard]

I thought the general consensus was that Urouge is scum? o.O

I'm asking for your opinion on some people.

I know you are following whatever the general consensus is, or at least you are trying to make it look like that, but you have added very little of your own input.