Day J: 1 final Job

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 04:46 PM

Frog is the only person I struggle to trust. Tut being blatantly lurker/troll, and obvious scum.

Option 1: Frog is Witch, and we win immediately.
Option 2: Frog is Town, and we can finally blindly follow his reads tomorrow.

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 04:48 PM

Hey, 6 members, someone wanna post?

**FM Gimli** · January 15th, 2013, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by FM Inspector Cluseau

Anyone ready for another unpopular idea?

-vote FM Michigan J Frog

Frankly I too think/hope/pray you are Town Michigan, but it seems very clear to me that you are likely Witch from my spoilered situation, and Gimli also notes that you were left alive even being as vocal as you are. You also didn't directly counter accuse me (as a Witch might), but instead you mostly avoided it (as a Witch would). However, you instantly decided that it was safe to support me. You tried to buddy with me when I semi-accused you. You are fighting for allies, and I don't buy it.

If Michigan is Town and we lynch then we can safely trust his reads on myself and Gimli, also seeing as we are far more likely Town than Tut. Tut will shoot one of us, and Sherlock and Gimli/myself can lynch Tut.

If Michigan is Witch then we must lynch him. Tomorrow Sherlock will blindly follow Michigan against whomever remains, as Sherlock 100% trusts Michigan.

It is this simple. Michigan being Witch means we win if we lynch him. Michigan being Town means we can disregard his potentially scum motives, and trust his reads on myself and Gimli- the voting block of 2 tomorrow.

Either way I find the lynch of Michigan to be a sure-fire Town win.

Thoughts?

I have same idea Cluseau. I want to vote Frog after Sherlock for the safety of him not choosing his target. I already was suspicion of Frog especially after the flip on Agahnim. So vote up Sherlock and we will get right to it.

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by FM Gimli

I have same idea Cluseau. I want to vote Frog after Sherlock for the safety of him not choosing his target. I already was suspicion of Frog especially after the flip on Agahnim. So vote up Sherlock and we will get right to it.

So, you want Sherlock, Frog tomorrow, then Tut on a 3rd day?
I am Semi-OK with this.

**FM Michigan J Frog** · January 15th, 2013, 04:52 PM

I'm down with this plan. Just get Tut tomorrow please.

-vote FM Michigan J Frog

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by FM Gimli

I wonder if anybody here actually knows my COM.

I do.

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by FM Michigan J Frog

I'm down with this plan. Just get Tut tomorrow please.

-vote FM Michigan J Frog

I love you Michigan.

**FM Michigan J Frog** · January 15th, 2013, 04:55 PM

Lol sorry I'm in the mountains with intermittent Internet. Also if its Gimli or Cluseau, they fooled me and deserve to win.

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by FM Michigan J Frog

I'm down with this plan. Just get Tut tomorrow please.

-vote FM Michigan J Frog

And on this note-

-vote FM Gimli

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by FM Michigan J Frog

Lol sorry I'm in the mountains with intermittent Internet. Also if its Gimli or Cluseau, they fooled me and deserve to win.

I have serious reason to believe it has been Gimli. And my buddying with him was to see how long he would keep me alive. He got a gun and choose to end Agahnim over myself. He accused both of us, and Agahnim was severely more Town than myself. Gimli has been riding my support.

**FM Gimli** · January 15th, 2013, 04:57 PM

That is the plan. Also I forgot to say the witch's kills are way to perfect. The reason behind my conspiracy on you was not to prove you guilty, but to prove you innocent. The was the only was I could see you as scum and wolverine's card proved you innocent.

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by FM Gimli

That is the plan. Also I forgot to say the witch's kills are way to perfect. The reason behind my conspiracy on you was not to prove you guilty, but to prove you innocent. The was the only was I could see you as scum and wolverine's card proved you innocent.

Yes, because saying all the ways I was SK/Witch/whatever makes me innocent.

**FM Gimli** · January 15th, 2013, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by FM Gimli

That is the plan. Also I forgot to say the witch's kills are way to perfect. The reason behind my conspiracy on you was not to prove you guilty, but to prove you innocent. The was the only way I could see you as scum and wolverine's card proved you innocent.

fixed

**FM Gimli** · January 15th, 2013, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by FM Inspector Cluseau

Yes, because saying all the ways I was SK/Witch/whatever makes me innocent.

I only could see you as framer/mafioso. I couldn't view you as a witch at all.

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by FM Gimli

I only could see you as framer/mafioso. I couldn't view you as a witch at all.

For what reasons?

**FM Gimli** · January 15th, 2013, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by FM Inspector Cluseau

For what reasons?

The fact FM Hamburglar died to mafia, and not a vigilante. You wanted to vigilante to kill youself, and I/you thought it was going to happen. The fact that the witch didnt use the Vigilante to kill Hamburglar is why.

**FM Gimli** · January 15th, 2013, 05:19 PM

If I could prove you witch, then you would of already of been on my scum list as witch yesterday. I think differently then most people. I don't like being sheeped

From Yesterday
My Scum List Order is from most likely - to least likely
Witch - Agahnim, Frog, Wolverine, Tut
Farmer/Mafioso - Wolverine, Cluseau

**FM Michigan J Frog** · January 15th, 2013, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by FM Inspector Cluseau

I have serious reason to believe it has been Gimli. And my buddying with him was to see how long he would keep me alive. He got a gun and choose to end Agahnim over myself. He accused both of us, and Agahnim was severely more Town than myself. Gimli has been riding my support.

Did we ever even confirm who shot Aghanim? And Gimli is town. Think about it. What witch gets replaced and continues to submit night actions? The only person it can be is Tut.

**FM Michigan J Frog** · January 15th, 2013, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by FM Michigan J Frog

Did we ever even confirm who shot Aghanim? And Gimli is town. Think about it. What witch gets replaced and continues to submit night actions? The only person it can be is Tut.

Lol conspiracy theory: Gimli fakes replacement. I'll look into this when I get home in like ~6 hrs.

**FM Gimli** · January 15th, 2013, 05:26 PM

It also doesn't make sense that I'm witch because I would save my gun, for when 4 people are left after a lynch. This witch knows how to play extremely well and I wouldn't make a stupid move like that. Also shooting Agahnim leads to much suspicion on me if I am witch because It was pretty obvious I shoot him.

**FM Michigan J Frog** · January 15th, 2013, 05:34 PM

-vote FM King Tut

Yeah ok. Gimli and Cluseau are still town.

**FM Michigan J Frog** · January 15th, 2013, 05:36 PM

Decide what you want to do, but we really should just end this already. Lets actually hammer in like 8 hrs when Yayap is sleeping so he loses points as most punctual host :P

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by FM Michigan J Frog

Decide what you want to do, but we really should just end this already. Lets actually hammer in like 8 hrs when Yayap is sleeping so he loses points as most punctual host :P

Frog for MVP for this. By a wide wide wide margin.

**FM Gimli** · January 15th, 2013, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by FM Michigan J Frog

Did we ever even confirm who shot Aghanim? And Gimli is town. Think about it. What witch gets replaced and continues to submit night actions? The only person it can be is Tut.

Originally Posted by FM Gimli

I am back and I have many points I need to make. First with this post
I did shoot Aghanim for several reasons.

1. He called out sk on days 1 and 2. I thought he was attacked
2. Everyone who he thought was suspicious was most a lurker
3. When he came up with his scumlist he didn't eliminated obvious targets from being mafia when they were not possible that alliance
4. I thought he was sheeping you all.
5. He wasn't very open minded if something happened in which he couldn't suspect
6. He needed to die in case of a mislynch because he would be a target to be lynched

Why am I not surprised you haven't read this yet?

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by FM Michigan J Frog

Did we ever even confirm who shot Aghanim? And Gimli is town. Think about it. What witch gets replaced and continues to submit night actions? The only person it can be is Tut.

This isn't so far-fetched, Kermit was doing night actions- executing Pinkie Pie, but Yayap said 'nah fool, f you dog', and modkilled him for not talking enough.

**FM Gimli** · January 15th, 2013, 06:05 PM

Now we got this accusation out of the way, can we lynch up Sherlock to stop the witch’s kill then get frog, or do I still need to prove myself to you?

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by FM Gimli

prove myself to you?

This.

**FM Gimli** · January 15th, 2013, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by FM Inspector Cluseau

I have serious reason to believe it has been Gimli. And my buddying with him was to see how long he would keep me alive. He got a gun and choose to end Agahnim over myself. He accused both of us, and Agahnim was severely more Town than myself. Gimli has been riding my support.

What made/makes you think I was witch at that point, and please this buddy thing because I didn't completely trust you until Wolverine died

**FM Gimli** · January 15th, 2013, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by FM Gimli

What made/makes you think I was witch at that point, and please explain this buddy thing because I didn't completely trust you until Wolverine died

fixed

**FM Michigan J Frog** · January 15th, 2013, 06:22 PM

tbh, I kind of felt like Gimli was trying to buddy with me too about my suspicions on Aghanim.

**FM Michigan J Frog** · January 15th, 2013, 06:22 PM

But then again, I felt like Aghanim was trying too hard to buddy with me about me being town.

**FM Gimli** · January 15th, 2013, 06:25 PM

I don't know how to prove myself to you because your suspicion seems completely random. Look at what frog has been saying.

Originally Posted by FM Michigan J Frog

Lol yeah I love Day[9]. Ideal dream man.

Ok back to the game. Here is what we are going to do. Gimli is town, and Cluseau is town, which forces me to conclude Tut is witch by process of elimination. However in the case that Cluseau is scum trying to push for 2 mislynches, I trust Gimli over Sherlock to vote correctly in LYLO and analyze things instead of being kinda impulse-y. (No offense Sherlock)

It bothers me that we don't know who was hit N3 by the sk. Honestly that's kind of why I suspected Aghanim yet he ended up being a cit. I'll read up on the first few days. Is it possible Pinkie Pie or some mafia was hit?

I think we should lynch Sherlock, and get Tut the next day. That way if it is Cluseau (he certainly would be capable of this), we can catch him. But for all the vote analysis I did, Aghanim's reads, and my town reads on everyone else, I don't see how it can be anyone else.

-vote FM Sherlock

Frog wanted to keep me alive because he thought I was going to lynched Sherlock, Tut, and then you with him

**FM Gimli** · January 15th, 2013, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by FM Michigan J Frog

I'm down with this plan. Just get Tut tomorrow please.

-vote FM Michigan J Frog

This looks like a white flag trying to end the game faster because he knows he is screwed

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 06:37 PM

I hate you all. I loved both of you like 1 hour ago. And now I am back to mistrusting you both.

**FM Gimli** · January 15th, 2013, 06:40 PM

Explain the reads on both of us again because I'm missing something.

**FM Michigan J Frog** · January 15th, 2013, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by FM Gimli

I don't know how to prove myself to you because your suspicion seems completely random. Look at what frog has been saying.

Frog wanted to keep me alive because he thought I was going to lynched Sherlock, Tut, and then you with him

IF Tut is not the witch, I would much rather it be me, Gimli, Cluseau in the final 3 than Sherlock, Gimli, Cluseau in the final 3. If it's Sherlock, Gimli, Cluseau in the final 3, then something went really wrong, and I don't trust Sherlock to take the time to think things through and make the right decision.

**FM Michigan J Frog** · January 15th, 2013, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by FM Inspector Cluseau

I hate you all. I loved both of you like 1 hour ago. And now I am back to mistrusting you both.

Run up on me a little.

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by FM Gimli

Explain the reads on both of us again because I'm missing something.

Spoiler : Gimli :

Spoiler : Frog :

Spoiler : Tut, just for funzees :

I truly believe it is Gimli. I am willing to lynch Frog today to confirm him, but then he wants Tut lynched, and I am fearful that it is Gimli... And as such, I would prefer to lynch Gimli. My case is that I trust Gimli the least, but I believe Sherlock to trust Gimli FAR more than Tut. If Frog is lynched, then I am shot Sherlock and Gimli will lynch Tut. If Gimli is lynched I think today may go OK. Ugh, so much things.

**FM Michigan J Frog** · January 15th, 2013, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by FM Inspector Cluseau

Spoiler : Gimli :

Spoiler : Frog :

Spoiler : Tut, just for funzees :

I truly believe it is Gimli. I am willing to lynch Frog today to confirm him, but then he wants Tut lynched, and I am fearful that it is Gimli... And as such, I would prefer to lynch Gimli. My case is that I trust Gimli the least, but I believe Sherlock to trust Gimli FAR more than Tut. If Frog is lynched, then I am shot Sherlock and Gimli will lynch Tut. If Gimli is lynched I think today may go OK. Ugh, so much things.

It's NOT GIMLI. It's not the guy who was friggin replaced halfway through the game.

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by FM Michigan J Frog

IF Tut is not the witch, I would much rather it be me, Gimli, Cluseau in the final 3 than Sherlock, Gimli, Cluseau in the final 3. If it's Sherlock, Gimli, Cluseau in the final 3, then something went really wrong, and I don't trust Sherlock to take the time to think things through and make the right decision.

I would really like to have a 4 person tomorrow.
If Frog is Witch- he can not simply convince Gimli or myself for the win.
If I am Witch- I can not simply convince Gimli or Frog.
If Gimli is Witch- he can not simply convince Frog or myself.
We force Tut to talk, we force Tut to read, or the game continues.

-vote FM Sherlock

We do not know how to respond to Tut completely since his reasons make genuine sense (it was the holidays, and games are daunting to join with so many posts), but forcing him to actually play the game for it to end would give us a new vision on eachothr or would allow us to fully read him for his scum self.

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 07:00 PM

Tut, for the love of god join the game....

**FM Gimli** · January 15th, 2013, 07:10 PM

[QUOTE=FM Inspector Cluseau;268259]

Spoiler : Gimli :

1 you have only tried to buddy with me at the end of Day 7, which you should of been killed by the gun's man who never had a gun
2 I didn't think you were Innocent until wolverine was completely lynched.
3 how does this make me look like town;its not even smart. I would keep the gun, and know one would know I would have one.
4 The witch is too smart to even make that mistake. No kills overlap! (all the witch kills look too well planned except for the one not killing Ceaser Night 7)

**FM Gimli** · January 15th, 2013, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by FM Inspector Cluseau

I would really like to have a 4 person tomorrow.
If Frog is Witch- he can not simply convince Gimli or myself for the win.
If I am Witch- I can not simply convince Gimli or Frog.
If Gimli is Witch- he can not simply convince Frog or myself.
We force Tut to talk, we force Tut to read, or the game continues.

-vote FM Sherlock

We do not know how to respond to Tut completely since his reasons make genuine sense (it was the holidays, and games are daunting to join with so many posts), but forcing him to actually play the game for it to end would give us a new vision on eachothr or would allow us to fully read him for his scum self.

I don't think your witch at all 100% sure because you would of went with my plan and won the game

**Forum Mafia GM** · January 15th, 2013, 07:15 PM

I would like to warn you all that using "he was replaced" as evidence is considered COM hunting (rule #6). That rule was put in place for to prevent this exact line of thought.

Drop your line of reasoning before I modkill all of you.

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 07:28 PM

[QUOTE=FM Gimli;268266]

Originally Posted by FM Inspector Cluseau

Spoiler : Gimli :

1 you have only tried to buddy with me at the end of Day 7, which you should of been killed by the gun's man who never had a gun
2 I didn't think you were Innocent until wolverine was completely lynched.
3 how does this make me look like town;its not even smart. I would keep the gun, and know one would know I would have one.
4 The witch is too smart to even make that mistake. No kills overlap! (all the witch kills look too well planned except for the one not killing Ceaser Night 7)

Yosemite Same overlapped. That is the only overlap one.

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by FM Gimli

I don't think your witch at all 100% sure because you would of went with my plan and won the game

So, you acknowledge that your plan was a guaranteed Witch win if you or I were Witch?

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by FM Game Master

I would like to warn you all that using "he was replaced" as evidence is considered COM hunting (rule #6). That rule was put in place for to prevent this exact line of thought.

Drop your line of reasoning before I modkill all of you.

Thank you for the warning. Guys, don't sink the ship.

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 07:31 PM

[QUOTE=FM Inspector Cluseau;268274]

Originally Posted by FM Gimli

Yosemite Same overlapped. That is the only overlap one.

lol at this quote issue.

**Inspector Cluseau** · January 15th, 2013, 07:32 PM

Simple as this, I want 4 people going into tomorrow. I want to put this game on Tut's back. Count Trolly Troll of Trollington over there needs to join the party, and I am not going to hand this to a Witch just because Tut refuses to speak- whether it is him or Frog or Gimli.

**FM Michigan J Frog** · January 15th, 2013, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by FM Inspector Cluseau

And for me it is either you or Tut. lol. But I would much like to hope you are the Town, as well as having what seems a good reason to think Tut is the Witch that has sucked, since you would be the Scum MVP, not Wolverine, if you were the Witch.

-vote FM King Tut

Yea.

Originally Posted by FM Inspector Cluseau

Spoiler : Gimli :

Spoiler : Frog :

Spoiler : Tut, just for funzees :

I truly believe it is Gimli. I am willing to lynch Frog today to confirm him, but then he wants Tut lynched, and I am fearful that it is Gimli... And as such, I would prefer to lynch Gimli. My case is that I trust Gimli the least, but I believe Sherlock to trust Gimli FAR more than Tut. If Frog is lynched, then I am shot Sherlock and Gimli will lynch Tut. If Gimli is lynched I think today may go OK. Ugh, so much things.

Can you explain to me how you go from thinking it's Tut and even VOTING him to now saying that you legitimately think he's not the witch? This is kind of odd to me.

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