Day 7: Kill the Doctor Claims!

[Forum Mafia GM]

GM is now gone for the night

[FM SpongeBob]

GM is now gone for the night

Nighty night, probably won't see you tomarrow.

[FM Ceasar]

Nighty night, probably won't see you tomarrow.

It's as if you do not care that you may very well get lynched. Every post you make actualy makes me want to vote you more. Having said that...

TEAM, UNVOTE ON SPONGEBOB! THIS IS LIKELY MY LAST DAY ALIVE, AND I DON'T WANT IT TO END 18 HOURS EARLY!

[FM Gimli]

We also need to discuss vigilantes and Ham's target and backup target if we don't hit witch

[FM Agahnim]

We also need to discuss vigilantes and Ham's target and backup target if we don't hit witch

Cluse - Tut - Wolverine

No question about it.

Would prefer

Cluse - Tut

over Wolverine

[FM Agahnim]

Cluse - Tut - Wolverine

No question about it.

Would prefer

Cluse - Tut

over Wolverine

And only because im not sure about Wolverine on either side of the radar

[FM Gimli]

Ceasar I want to hear your read on Agahnim and Frog

[FM Gimli]

not just a small summary like you posted before.

[Inspector Cluseau]

How to unvote?

[FM Ceasar]

-unvote

aa

[FM Ceasar]

not just a small summary like you posted before.

I am going to spend up to the next hour here. However, proper reads take a long time. So I doubt that I can do it for everyone.

[Inspector Cluseau]

-unvote

[FM Ceasar]

@GM: When you made the threat of modkilling players with less posts then you, and modkilled Hood (34 posts) King Tut also had less posts (38 posts), yet still wasn't modkilled. WTF?

[FM Wolverine]

I've said it before, and I will say it again 'fuck Wolverine', but I don't find this reasoning to be the reason to lynch. More Ham's point about Wolv only seeming to attack

Wolverine, what is your read on Gimli?

I believe I answered that question here:

My 3 top choices for lynch today in order of importance are:

1. Inspector Cluseau

2. King Tut

3. Gimli/Spongebob (they are both equally suspect/difficult to read)

I give Hamburglar honorable mention for not shutting up about me being scum without providing any evidence to back it up.

As far as me "only seeming to attack" I am usually very cordial, but a person can only answer the same questions so many times before being driven to madness. I have argued my case several times; he chooses to ignore it every time. I'm beginning to think he's scum and he's ignoring me on purpose so he can shoot me tonight with the blacksmith gun and when I flip citizen he can say "oops, I thought he was witch" while he secretly twirls his mustache and continues killing us with Sherlock while we fight amongst ourselves.

I've come to the conclusion that arguing with Hamburglar is like playing Russian Roulette alone; the best thing that can happen is nothing, and in the end it's just a prolonged suicide. Seriously, try arguing with him. It'll go something like this:

Wolverine used logic and reason!
It doesn't affect Hamburglar...

[FM SpongeBob]

@GM: When you made the threat of modkilling players with less posts then you, and modkilled Hood (34 posts) King Tut also had less posts (38 posts), yet still wasn't modkilled. WTF?

Now that you mention it... Why

[FM Wolverine]

Can someone be banned from FMs for being terrible?

If yes:

Can you please ban Hamburglar?

If no:

Can you please make an exception and ban Hamburglar?

[FM Ceasar]

Btw guys, I got distracted by realy wierd stuff, but I'll post it anyway

[FM Ceasar]

I honestly feel like I wasted part of my life, ALL JUST TO LOOK AT EVERYONE'S FIRST POSTS!

If I could go back in time, I would not have done this, but I did, so I may as well post.

Greetings/Spammy first post
Ceasar
Robin Hood
Yoda
Master Chef
Terminator
Gandalf
Jack Sparrow
Indiana Jones
Thrakhath
Yosemite Sam
Mr. T
Cookie Monster
Hungry
Sherlock
Animal
Count-Von-Count
Cluseau
King Tut (Pretty much ever post has been spammy)
Hamburglar
Wile E Coyote
Gimili
Rubber Duck
Dracula

Borderline
Bridge Keeper
Arthur
Cpt. Jack
Obvious
Agahnim
Watson

Non-introductory first posts
Anubis
Michigan J
Wolverine
SpongeBob
Locutus
Pinkie Pie

First catagory was for people who started their first posts with a "Hey guys" sort of sentiment, or something completely un-gamerelated. Sherlock and Animal were possible boarderliners, but the first sentence for both of them realy was a greeting, so I put them in first.

Second catagory was for people who started their first posts with something meta/game-related, but still worked it into something of an "I'm here" sort of start.

People in the third catagory barely had an introduction in their first post, with it being an almost completely game-related first post.

Green = Dead Town/Confirmed Town. Red = Dead Scum. Purple = Living unknown.

Again, I regret spending so much time on this, and I feel a little dumb even making it in the first place but I still find this sort of thing quite interesting, so I posted it so my time didn't completely go to waste. There are certain paterns...

[FM Ceasar]

Also guess this is going to be a long night, seeing how I haven't started my reads, and I'm unwilling to go to bed without doing any.

[FM Ceasar]

And also, just to finnish the "First Post" post off

Town to Mafia ratio for category #1; 8:1.
Percent of category made up of unkowns: 20.8%

Town to Mafia ratio for category #2; 4:1.
Percent of category made up of unkowns: 16.7%

Town to Mafia ratio for category #3; 1:2 (only 1 confirmed town in this catagory)
Percent of category made up of unkowns: 50.0%

[FM Michigan J Frog]

Btw guys, I got distracted by realy wierd stuff, but I'll post it anyway

Yeah no offense Ceasar, but I'm not sure how useful this is.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

So is any one jumping on the Agahnim Train to lynch town. Seriously read him for yourself. The SK had to of hit him and cookie thought he was guilty. Guess why died to a Gunman, Cookie!

Scum points for Gimli if Agahnim flips town because Gimli slips up and says Agahnim will flip town despite Gimli thinking/pretending to think that Aghanim flips witch since he agrees with my read.

[FM Ceasar]

Scum points for Gimli if Agahnim flips town because Gimli slips up and says Agahnim will flip town despite Gimli thinking/pretending to think that Aghanim flips witch since he agrees with my read.

I'm making a wall for you right now. One quick question though.

The last thing we want to do is have some of the conf. town players like Gandalf just brushing aside scumhunting efforts from players like Ceasar.

Post#389, D1.

Yes or no question. When you say "conf. town", do you mean confirmed town?

[FM Ceasar]

^Made a mistake

#402

[FM Ceasar]

Also, I hope you all appreciate just how much time I'm spending on these reads. My strength at mafia is sitting at the back at making long-term plans for the Town with numbers and logic, not sifting though thousands of posts.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

I'm making a wall for you right now. One quick question though.



Post#389, D1.

Yes or no question. When you say "conf. town", do you mean confirmed town?

Yeah.

[FM Ceasar]

Yeah.

Explain plz

[FM Ceasar]

However, I do like that when I asked for a yes or no answer, you gave me a yes.

Take note Agahnim.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

Explain plz

Gandalf was really pro-town and probably the strongest player in this FM. Of course he is not true confirmed town like you or Sherlock, but I really believed he was town up until the point when he started to set up and lie about his doctor claim.

[FM Ceasar]

Gandalf was really pro-town and probably the strongest player in this FM. Of course he is not true confirmed town like you or Sherlock, but I really believed he was town up until the point when he started to set up and lie about his doctor claim.

"Confirmed" is a realy, realy strong word. That comment is just asking for suspicion. Confirmed = 99.9% sure of town allignment (like if perhaps a Consigilere got a town result) and that is just based off of D1 reads?

[FM Agahnim]

However, I do like that when I asked for a yes or no answer, you gave me a yes.

Take note Agahnim.

I did.

However I have always slotted Frog town so why am I taking note?

[FM Agahnim]

I did.

However I have always slotted Frog town so why am I taking note?

Er wait wait wait.

Ignore me.

I'm not paying aattention to this game atm.

[FM Agahnim]

Ok so Dafuq Frog.

You can't say confirmed in reference to Gandalf on that day no matter what he seemed.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

Ok so Dafuq Frog.

You can't say confirmed in reference to Gandalf on that day no matter what he seemed.

What day did I say that again?

[FM Ceasar]

What day did I say that again?

1, #402

[FM Michigan J Frog]

"Confirmed" is a realy, realy strong word. That comment is just asking for suspicion. Confirmed = 99.9% sure of town allignment (like if perhaps a Consigilere got a town result) and that is just based off of D1 reads?

Well I guess I should have been more precise with my language. If it really counts, by the end of Day 1 I had a pretty solid town read on both Gandalf and Jack Sparrow due to meta.

[FM Agahnim]

In his defense, with how he played this game, Scum Mafia Frog wouldnt make that kind of slip and Scum Witch/SK would not have that kind of information and thus not say conf. and instead say highly suspect town or something like that.

Its too sloppy for Frogs style of play thus far

[FM Ceasar]

My wall is only up to D3, and I am worried I am going to fall asleep any miniute now. Post what I have now then finnish tormmow, go to bed and post tommorow, or try to finnish tonight, even though it will be of lower quality?

[FM Ceasar]

In his defense, with how he played this game, Scum Mafia Frog wouldnt make that kind of slip and Scum Witch/SK would not have that kind of information and thus not say conf. and instead say highly suspect town or something like that.

Its too sloppy for Frogs style of play thus far

So Mafia Frog isn't that sloppy, but Town Frog is?

[FM Agahnim]

My wall is only up to D3, and I am worried I am going to fall asleep any miniute now. Post what I have now then finnish tormmow, go to bed and post tommorow, or try to finnish tonight, even though it will be of lower quality?

Post what you have now and then ffinish it plz

So Mafia Frog isn't that sloppy, but Town Frog is?

It makes more sense that way.

[FM Ceasar]

Also, lol at this...

Yes, Yoda came up NS to Indiana Jones the sheriff on N1, but we must not forget that the godfather is immune to investigation. I would think that as a "confirmed" townie, Yoda would try to step up into more of a leadership position in the town, but instead he lurks. Also, as a "confirmed" townie, I would think mafia/sk would try to target him in order to eliminate confirmed townies. Is it possible that the SK tried to attack Yoda the "confirmed" townie last night but could not kill the godfather?

Now he finaly realizes the true meaning of confirmed town?

[FM Michigan J Frog]

My wall is only up to D3, and I am worried I am going to fall asleep any miniute now. Post what I have now then finnish tormmow, go to bed and post tommorow, or try to finnish tonight, even though it will be of lower quality?

Can you post what you have? I need to sleep soon because I have a breakfast date with some people in 5 hours, and I'd like to get some sleep before then. x____x

[FM Ceasar]

Only finnsihed the first 2 days very sadly. Find what you can after.

Spoiler : Frog Wall Day 1&2 :

D1
Frog’s major contribution to the Town was the Hypo-claim. While I personally didn’t agree with all the mechanics (if I had have hypo-claimed D1, I would have revealed to Mafia), I am not going to give too many scum points for coming up with a suggestion to avoid the last will problem. However, he did make a few posts I didn’t like not based on the Hypo-claim…

*In response to Pinkie voting Sam*
woah uh....
is this based on gut feeling or something more?
He hasn't posted yet if I recall correctly. The search function seems to be disabled for this thread so it's kind of debilitating.

“Is this based on gut feeling or something more?” Even if search was disabled, way too passive a post towards someone who is voting for someone you haven’t even seen vote yet (Sam had yet to come online) without any explanation. Pinkie Pie later flipped Mafia. Not a HUGE scumtell, but I could see this as going easy on a teammate, as well as this being a passive scum-post in general.

I think Ceasar's lead on Robin Hood is at the very least worthy of being looked into. I wonder why Gandalf is so dismissive of Ceasar's efforts. If it means anything, I already have you as a strong town read, so I'll chalk it up to simple differences in playstyle. I like that Ceasar is buliding cases based off of the day chat, and I, myself, want to look into the Robin Hood situation later when I get a chance. Voting patterns, tunnel vision, etc can be very helpful in finding scum in the mid/late game, but so early at the beginning it's small things like Ceasar is pointing out that can help us find candidates to pressure. I usually can get a pretty good read on a player after seeing how they react to pressure.

The last thing we want to do is have some of the conf. town players like Gandalf just brushing aside scumhunting efforts from players like Ceasar. Every player's opinion is important to consider.

While I obviously thought that Hood was scummy back then, so I can’t really give too many scum-points for that. However, you can see potential buddying towards me, as well as possible discrediting of… whoa, wtf?

The last thing we want to do is have some of the conf. town players like Gandalf just brushing aside scumhunting efforts from players like Ceasar.

Does conf. = confirmed? (hoping I get an answer from Frog) (Edit: And he does confirm it)
Why exactly was Gandalf confirmed town on D1??? You voted him up like the rest of us D2, so why are you saying confirmed town here? Dracula had already sent his result code to his teammates. Is this actually a scumslip?

To Summarize the rest of D1, Frog votes for Kermit and Wolverine for being scummy, and also says that Agahnim is on his townlist (however, he was also on mine)

D2
Quick skim, nothing too much. He believes scum might have been behind premature hammer of D1. While I disagree with that, lots of people think that way, so nothing too much. Still finds Kermit as strongest scum suspect. Supports Sherlock wagon like most people. did, However, when Gandalf wagon started…

Well, I bet I'll get attacked just as much as FM Jack Sparrow for saying this, but I'm getting a town read on FM Gandalf despite the sheriff results on him. It's not implausible that he would make a good framing target, and I think as town we would be remiss to shoot ourselves in the foot by mislynching one of our strongest players. I think it's also interesting how some of my strongest town reads, FM Jack Sparrow, FM Gandalf, and FM Dracula (Seriously, the devil himself?) oppose the Gandalf lynch. Let me make the distinction, like Gandalf, that I do believe Indiana Jones's sheriff claim and am not attempting to discredit him.

Just the way Gandalf is reacting to his train... Does that read scum to you? I think it looks more like a citizen who is resigned to being lynched on the follow-the-pr train. He even asks us to refrain from hammering so he can post his last reads. Textbook town play 101, and a striking difference from Watson yesterday. Gandalf even asks us not to go after Indiana Jones when he flips town...

I still think Kermit or Sherlock is a better lynch for today. I'm not quite satisfied with Sherlock's response to the pressure on him. Remember, weird slips in daychat can't be framed.

We are discussing why you slotted Gandalf so highly town atm. However, remember why Dracula was so scummy? He was certain Gandalf was town for reasons he refused to reveal. While you would never be THAT stupid, I would still say that this is a similar sort of post. While you had previous said that you felt he was very town, it is still something to be watched.

Also, while we are on the subject, why is Dracula so highly town?

While other posts happened in between, so there was something of a “gentle transition”. Frog in fact did end up voting his confirmed town. Smart play if it is mafia, as he can say that he defended Gandalf to start with, but joins the wagon so what happened to Dracula wouldn’t happen to him.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

Also, lol at this...



Now he finaly realizes the true meaning of confirmed town?

That's different. Lol. Laugh at me if you will, but I find "confirmed" town via sheriff investigation results less reliable than my confirmed townies list I make when I'm scumhunting.

[FM Agahnim]

So Mafia Frog isn't that sloppy, but Town Frog is?

Let me rephrase.

Mafia Frog has teammates he knows the identity of and is put up against a wall of town.
Knowing that his only chance to win is to blend in and at the same time cover for his teammates when needed, if needed.
Letting loose "confirmed town" on someone will decimate the blending and put down more suspicion than the budding is worth.


Town Frog does not have that thought process and sees no real problem with saying confirmed town on anyone.

[FM Ceasar]

Can you post what you have? I need to sleep soon because I have a breakfast date with some people in 5 hours, and I'd like to get some sleep before then. x____x

How about this? I also want some sleep, and despite all this, you are unlikely to get lynched. Reply within the next 10 hours, and we should be good.

I will probably die tonight, so please don't forget my views town, and let any leads I had get completely forgotten.

Night.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

I thought a blacksmith would not hand out items on N1 and would instead prefer to fake give himself a vest at night to give himself WIFOM protection. It's what I would have done. Him claiming blacksmith items, and particularly a vest, made me put him on my town list slotted as blacksmith.

Also Gandalf was town until he started lying about his doctor claim. It really looked like he was trying to avoid being lynched so he could kill/witch for one more night. There was way more scum motivation in his fake doctor claim than town motivation especially because like Anubis he puts real docs in a bad position where they wonder if they should counterclaim.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

I thought a blacksmith would not hand out items on N1 and would instead prefer to fake give himself a vest at night to give himself WIFOM protection. It's what I would have done. Him claiming blacksmith items, and particularly a vest, made me put him on my town list slotted as blacksmith.

Also Gandalf was town until he started lying about his doctor claim. It really looked like he was trying to avoid being lynched so he could kill/witch for one more night. There was way more scum motivation in his fake doctor claim than town motivation especially because like Anubis he puts real docs in a bad position where they wonder if they should counterclaim.

Top paragraph refers to my town read on Dracula.

[FM Agahnim]

How about this? I also want some sleep, and despite all this, you are unlikely to get lynched. Reply within the next 10 hours, and we should be good.

I will probably die tonight, so please don't forget my views town, and let any leads I had get completely forgotten.

Night.

What I see:

During Day One:

-Dracula was very honest with his reveal of having a vest with no pressure. +town points

-Dracula begins giving a read with the words I just got up in his post. + town points:

Just woke up. The scummiest person to me is kermit. For all the aforementioned reasons. Another person I don't like is count von count. Made only two rp posts and disappeared.

-Everything else he posts is neutral based.


Given that attention was shuffled elsewhere:
I would have slotted Dracula as might be town. unsure.

Not highly town.




Neither a defense for Frog or an accusation. Just giving my thoughts

[FM Agahnim]

I thought a blacksmith would not hand out items on N1 and would instead prefer to fake give himself a vest at night to give himself WIFOM protection. It's what I would have done. Him claiming blacksmith items, and particularly a vest, made me put him on my town list slotted as blacksmith.

Also Gandalf was town until he started lying about his doctor claim. It really looked like he was trying to avoid being lynched so he could kill/witch for one more night. There was way more scum motivation in his fake doctor claim than town motivation especially because like Anubis he puts real docs in a bad position where they wonder if they should counterclaim.

1st paragraph:
Interesting. I could see it however that is really a stretch. I support the beginning assumption of people being as good as you are but that really seesm like a stretch.

2nd Paragraph:
Agreed