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[Roflcopter]

What makes you think jr is mafioso over consort?

[Chiller]

What makes you think jr is mafioso over consort?

Because jr4life24 claimed citizen. I had suspected creed to be either framer or consort but now that there is a consort I am leaning towards that. Also if TheDarkestLight is consigliere then he would be willing to sacrifice his mafioso over his consort. Hence his vote for jr4life24.

[creedkingsx]

I must say, that is quite the impressive wall of text.
I will admit I didn't read the whole thing, but I assure you I got the jist of it.
I probably read 75% anyway.

My question to you, Chiller, is who do YOU want to lynch?
fatalis, roflcopter, jr, or I?

Who do you think is the safest?
I assure you, my claim is completely legitimate.
My reason for wanting to lynch fatalis is, in fact, because of my claim. That coupled with the fact that fatalis was on of the last to claim anything. He has posted little and claims late.
Furthermore, he claims with a category that has been involved in 2 other people, like when a godfather claims citizen knowing there are 2 citizens still alive. It is the safest bet.

I recognize well off that we absolutely CANNOT afford a mislynch today, but I also recognize that if we don't lynch someone today, mafia wins. They have tie tomorrow unless we get lucky with our obnoxious amount of bodyguards and Doctors.

[creedkingsx]

My reason for wanting to lynch fatalis is, in fact, because of my claim. That coupled with the fact that fatalis was on of the last to claim anything. He has posted little and claims late.
Furthermore, he claims with a category that has been involved in 2 other people, like when a godfather claims citizen knowing there are 2 citizens still alive. It is the safest bet.

Already did.
:P

[Chiller]

Already did.
:P

It seemed that you had more reasons than the ones you provided. The one's you supplied are weak.

To sum up your reasoning is because of 'your claim' as vigilante and then bodyguard. Coupled with him being the last one to claim. (Technically Jr4Life24 was the last one to claim.) If you follow your own logic, you should want Jr4life24 dead. He was the last to claim and claimed the least likely role. He fits your "Godfather claiming citizen" scenario better.

[creedkingsx]

It seemed that you had more reasons than the ones you provided. The one's you supplied are weak.

To sum up your reasoning is because of 'your claim' as vigilante and then bodyguard. Coupled with him being the last one to claim. (Technically Jr4Life24 was the last one to claim.) If you follow your own logic, you should want Jr4life24 dead. He was the last to claim and claimed the least likely role. He fits your "Godfather claiming citizen" scenario better.

That was just an example, but you aren't necessarily town either. You have no way to support your claim, and you know.
Albeit you massive wall of text is something most scum wouldn't commit time to making so it is probably to say you are, but there are still a dedicated few, such as our own clementine, who has and would. In fact, if clementine were mafia in this game, I imagine her playing the exact same way you are right now.
Leading the town, focusing every single eye anywhere else but herself while leaving subtle clues that puts the idea of her being town into everyone's subconscious.

But hey, this is just a big game of the mind, isn't it? ;)

[Chiller]

That was just an example, but you aren't necessarily town either. You have no way to support your claim, and you know.
Albeit you massive wall of text is something most scum wouldn't commit time to making so it is probably to say you are, but there are still a dedicated few, such as our own clementine, who has and would. In fact, if clementine were mafia in this game, I imagine her playing the exact same way you are right now.
Leading the town, focusing every single eye anywhere else but herself while leaving subtle clues that puts the idea of her being town into everyone's subconscious.

But hey, this is just a big game of the mind, isn't it? ;)

I know there is no way to confirm me. There is no possibly way except for my death. But I think my input has definitely hindered the mafia. I narrowed their choices to kill between either me or Damus. (Granted they could pick someone else, but that would hurt more than help.)

If you are suggesting that I am Clementine, you are wrong. If you are suggesting I am scum read the first sentence I wrote and everything else I have contributed.

It is a game of the mind. Much better than chess.

So your reasoning is just an example and not a real reason? I am confused. I thought that you said that claiming something less likely or something was more important. Well Jr4Life24 claimed something way more fitting for your logic than Fatalis. Could you explain how Fatalis fits your logic better than Jr4Life24?

fatalis, TDL, chiller, mint, Jr

Good choices. I wonder why you still want Fatalis dead over Jr4Life24 if you agree with everyone else on the matter.

Btw, I know it should be obvious, but I feel I should clarify it anyway, I targeted roflcopter.
This is obvious, but I feel like someone were harmfully bash me for not stating it.

No way to prove and if you are telling the truth you could still be that consort I believe you to be. You wouldn't be lying now would you?

[Chiller]

What about Mintberry? Why are you so dead set on Fatalis? Fatalis very well could be doctor while Mintberry is hiding as Bodyguard.

I have to say my top choices for lynching are Creedkingsx or Jr4Life24. I still would like for more discussion and to see night results/players reactions and input.

[creedkingsx]

The only reason I would have to want to target mint is because we have the same role.
I have a lot more reasons to want fatalis for our lynch.

[Chiller]

The only reason I would have to want to target mint is because we have the same role.
I have a lot more reasons to want fatalis for our lynch.

Do elaborate.

[Roflcopter]

Why was I included on the list of who you want to lynch today creed, do you believe I am scum?

[creedkingsx]

Why was I included on the list of who you want to lynch today creed, do you believe I am scum?

Again, I will likely revise this based on what other users say and how they respond. This sums up all of my suspicions for now and what roles I think are likely in which scenarios. Either way I still support a lynch on Roflcoptor or Creedkingsx. Just remember Jr4Life24 is likely a mafioso while Creedkingsx has a shot at consort. If we can get Roflcoptor to follow more people it will benefit us more. An investigator is useless at this point. (Could be why there isn't one or why they let TheDarkestLight live)

I was referring this paragraph.

[Chiller]

I was referring this paragraph.

Ah. Typo. So many names going through my head. I meant to say Jr4Life24 or Creedkingsx.

[creedkingsx]

Ah. Typo. So many names going through my head. I meant to say Jr4Life24 or Creedkingsx.

Oh I knwo what you meant, silly. Was wondering how long it would take for someone to realize it.
But at least you know I read it. ;)

@rofl fatalis, TDL, chiller, mint, Jr

I normally would say you as well, but your role-block claim, while relatively easy to fake, is the only support we have for the mafia even paying attention to this game and plus no counter detective/lookout claim makes you confirmed town in my eyes apart from myself.

[Roflcopter]

Creed, who do you think are the 3 mafia?

[Roflcopter]

Creed, which of the THREE, not FIVE do you think are mafia atm.

[creedkingsx]

Btw, I know it should be obvious, but I feel I should clarify it anyway, I targeted roflcopter.
This is obvious, but I feel like someone were harmfully bash me for not stating it.

[creedkingsx]

I currently cannot decide that.
I have an odd suspicion Chiller is clem's smurf which makes me hesitant to decide on Jr or Chiller.

[Jim]

I know pairing don't follow exactly but if Rofl is a Det and the Mafia has a consort wouldn't those be conflicting, Janitor goes with Det and Consort goes with escort, I feel asthough Rofl is town but I can't wrap my head around how Det is his role.

[Chiller]

I know pairing don't follow exactly but if Rofl is a Det and the Mafia has a consort wouldn't those be conflicting, Janitor goes with Det and Consort goes with escort, I feel asthough Rofl is town but I can't wrap my head around how Det is his role.

Welcome. Please read to catch up. There hasn't been an investigative result saying that Roflcoptor isn't detective...If you mean that there has to be a Janitor if there is a Detective, where did you get that information? There is no necessity to have any role involved. A consort can be present without an escort..

[Jim]

Welcome. Please read to catch up. There hasn't been an investigative result saying that Roflcoptor isn't detective...If you mean that there has to be a Janitor if there is a Detective, where did you get that information? There is no necessity to have any role involved. A consort can be present without an escort..

I know it isn't necessary but I was looking at the pairings on Appley's set-up and it has escort/consort paired togther and also Detective/lookout/Janitor paired together. I was more wondering if the pairings that Appley listed were just as a generality or more of a concrete combination where one is needed for the other (I am newer to FMs)
The pairings are in Appley's sig to check them out.

[Chiller]

I know it isn't necessary but I was looking at the pairings on Appley's set-up and it has escort/consort paired togther and also Detective/lookout/Janitor paired together. I was more wondering if the pairings that Appley listed were just as a generality or more of a concrete combination where one is needed for the other (I am newer to FMs)
The pairings are in Appley's sig to check them out.

Those are investigative results. If one role on one side is in the game, the other is not required to be in the game.

[Jim]

@Chiller I think Creed is trying to say Fatalis>Jr because Jr just started this day causing him to claim "immediatly" because of Glip's afking while Fatalis waited till end of the day he was in to claim a role.

[Chiller]

@Chiller I think Creed is trying to say Fatalis>Jr because Jr just started this day causing him to claim "immediatly" because of Glip's afking while Fatalis waited till end of the day he was in to claim a role.

If you were doctor would you want to claim that right away? If there wasn't a mass role-claim revealing as doctor is suicide. However, I am not saying he is clean from all suspicion.

[creedkingsx]

If you want me to lynch Jr, I need to feel comfortable with it. At a time like this where it is literally make or break, everyone has to feel 100% sure on who to lynch.

[Chiller]

The specification of the role of godfather and citizen was an example, the reasoning otherwise. Shouldn't be that difficult. :P

Still applies to what happened though. Just coincidentally it was citizen in the example and the reality of the claim.

there are further meta reasons on fatalis.
Unfortunately, Glip has not been talking in any games lately so it was impossible to attempt any meta on him. I feel more comfortable with a lynch on fatalis. We have only 1 shot to get this right, so I am choosing the shot that makes me feel the more comfortable.

Meta gaming isn't always a safe thing to do. So you feel comfortable lynching someone with hardly any reason to lynch compared to others? Interesting..

If I were Consort attempting to claim bodyguard, I would have to be pretty stupid to choose my fake target as the same with my real target.
So no, not lying.

It's all a mind game remember? What would appear to be stupid could act as a good cover. Just like you said with the Godfather example.
Plus if you legitimately targeted him as consort, you still visited your target and there would be no way to track anything else. Therefore, it wouldn't be a stupid move to target your actual target.
I think thoughts are getting mixed up in here.

to be fair, seeing you now, you and damus, both, are more valuable to the town than any of us townPR's, except maybe myself.
No offense to the rest of you, but you are still learning. I expected it to be me dead today, but if not me then I expected Damus to be dead. I imagine the only reason I am not dead is because the fear of wifom of either mint or fatalis protecting me, whichever is legit about their role.

Looks like good cop bad cop. Say I'm scummy then say I am valuable. Haha. Damus was useful. He took a bullet for a town PR. A confirmed town PR would be nice though. (He was already confirmed as vigilante so I am overlooking that. He was also essentially a citizen.) So it was a neutral kill for both sides. (Besides the fact that the scum is one step closer to majority) Perhaps they didn't target you because 1: It would "confirm you as bodyguard" and leave mintberry to be thrown under the bus. 2: you are their mafia buddy. 3: the mafia realized they could only target me or Damus_Graves without risking getting caught.

[creedkingsx]

The pairings are strictly relevant to Investigators.

[creedkingsx]

Yeah, I think we are having some communication problems, let's start over.
Hi, I am creed, I am a bodyguard.
I targeted rofl, think we should lynch anyone except rofl, and of course myself, and and I enjoy the occasional walk on the beach.
I never said you were scummy, but have fun with the word twisting.
I explored the option of you as scum and you as town. Both through the eyes of a town and through the eyes of the mafia, respectively.
Going by today, mafia would be likely to want you dead because you are leading the town, making active decisions and encouraging conversation.
Through the skeptical town eye, you look like the rare case of a mafia who is willing to take the big gambit and lead the town completely diverting all attention away from with the only reason being, basically, meta. Something you just said is bad and you shouldn't base decisions off.
So let's backtrack for a moment, why do you think Tdl, Jr, I or anyone else are mafia if not for meta reasons?
Oh, and what's your name? We are starting over, in fact. ;)

[Chiller]

Yeah, I think we are having some communication problems, let's start over.
Hi, I am creed, I am a bodyguard.
I targeted rofl, think we should lynch anyone except rofl, and of course myself, and and I enjoy the occasional walk on the beach.
I never said you were scummy, but have fun with the word twisting.
I explored the option of you as scum and you as town. Both through the eyes of a town and through the eyes of the mafia, respectively.
Going by today, mafia would be likely to want you dead because you are leading the town, making active decisions and encouraging conversation.
Through the skeptical town eye, you look like the rare case of a mafia who is willing to take the big gambit and lead the town completely diverting all attention away from with the only reason being, basically, meta. Something you just said is bad and you shouldn't base decisions off.
So let's backtrack for a moment, why do you think Tdl, Jr, I or anyone else are mafia if not for meta reasons?
Oh, and what's your name? We are starting over, in fact. ;)

What a great way to try and get off topic.
You have hinted that you thought of me as scum. Which is natural. I was just pointing out that either you were still deciding on what to think of me or you are just changing positions.
I welcome death. If they have the guts to come and kill me, they should go for it. Last night they had 2 choices, me or Damus. I believe that they chose Damus because he was confirmed, unprotected, and would provide the least information to town. If they killed me, I would take up the third citizen spot and add to the confirmed list. There is also the possibility someone deviated and would protect me. (Which you should never do)
Point out where I have given meta gaming as a reason for lynch or prosecuting someone as scum. I do not know any of you so I can not use outside of game information to call on. Each game is unique and players can change play styles. Relying on past games to prove current games is faulty and not as solid of a tactic as one should think.
My name? Chiller.

[Chiller]

Also you have still failed to provide sufficient evidence for your lynch. The only valid reasons you have provided is interpreting a late claim as something scummy and meta gaming. Don't try and direct this discussion elsewhere. Insignificant discussion should not take place today. (Nor any other day) If you would please trim the fat in your paragraphs from now on, I would greatly appreciate it.

[creedkingsx]

All discussion is significant.
Like I said, he is claiming into a category that 2 other people are involved with.

Odds are, one of us are Framer.

Odds are, either you or Jr are lying about the Citizen claim.

Odds are the last mafia is either TDL or of mint, fatalis and I.

So mafia for me goes like this, through the eyes of the average townsperson:

Framer/w.e- Fatalis/Mint/I
Consig/w.e- TDL/mint/fatalis/I.
Mafioso- Chiller/Jr

He claimed late into something that had 2 other people claiming from the category that were alive.
He claimed later than anyone else.
He has rarely posted, as is.
He claim, to start with is weak. He chose something that can't be proven.

[Roflcopter]

All discussion is significant.
Like I said, he is claiming into a category that 2 other people are involved with.

Odds are, one of us are Framer.

Odds are, either you or Jr are lying about the Citizen claim.

Odds are the last mafia is either TDL or of mint, fatalis and I.

So mafia for me goes like this, through the eyes of the average townsperson:

Framer/w.e- Fatalis/Mint/I
Consig/w.e- TDL/mint/fatalis/I.
Mafioso- Chiller/Jr

He claimed late into something that had 2 other people claiming from the category that were alive.
He claimed later than anyone else.
He has rarely posted, as is.
He claim, to start with is weak. He chose something that can't be proven.

You realize there IS a consort, not a framer and consig..

[creedkingsx]

Framer/w.e- Fatalis/Mint/I
Consig/consort- TDL/mint/fatalis/I.
Consig/mafioso- TDL/Chiller/Jr[/color].

In light of new perspective, this is how I change it around.

[creedkingsx]

hmm
Can mafia have 3 PR's? does there have to be a mafioso?

brb checking setup.

[creedkingsx]

Mafia role cards:

The Mafia can kill once a night
The Mafia will have a night chat

Mafioso
Can kill at night

Consort
Can roleblock someone
Can kill instead

Consigliere
Check one person for their investigative pairings
Can kill instead

Framer
Can frame anyone as any role
Can kill instead

Janitor
Has two cleanings.
Can clean someone at night, if they die if they die, you will receive their last will.
Can kill instead.



I don't think they have to have a mafioso.O.o

[Roflcopter]

:/

[creedkingsx]

hmm
Just to be sure
Is Mafioso a definite role?

[AppleyNO]

hmm
Just to be sure
Is Mafioso a definite role?

No.

[Chiller]

No. Mafioso is not. It just fits the balance of the setup. There could certainly be a framer in place of the mafioso, but that doesn't really change our situation. The framer would be useless and essentially a mafioso if TheDarkestLight was consigliere. So I believe that there is more likely a mafioso. In that regard it really doesn't matter. What we need to focus on is the consort. You do like to appear active and helpful by providing that information though creed.

[Roflcopter]

It's nto a question of consig/consort

There IS. IS. IS. A consort.

[creedkingsx]

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I know, just listing it out.

[Chiller]

I would also like to point out that it takes 4 to lynch someone. After one town votes someone incorrectly the mafia can just train on him and win. The fact that this hasn't happened to Jr4Life24 yet just adds to likelihood of him being mafia. Of course some mafia might bandwagon on their teammate to appear unsuspicious. If Creedkingsx is in fact mafia, it would still make sense for him to promote the lynch on Fatalis to divide the votes and to get a townie to vote so the scum can hammer. His mafia buddies won't want to vote with him right away but would like to do it after convincing someone else to join him. I'm surprised the mafia isn't trying to direct a vote towards someone by actively being involved in the day chat. I guess they are waiting on me to take on that role. The lack of activity from this game is really disheartening. It seems that Roflcoptor, Creedkingsx, and I are going to be the ones that contribute the most.

The nonchalant attitude that Creedkingsx also took when voting Fatalis makes me believe he is mafia. If he was town, he just put someone up for a quick lynch. Since there are 3 mafia all they have to do is train. I would assume that he would be smarter than that. He has proven himself to be intelligent, yet somehow he isn't making the best decisions for town. This keeps telling me that he is scum.

It will take a great effort to get someone lynched correctly. The whole town has to have a consensus or a mafia member will try to take a gambit on clearing himself by voting with the town and projecting another town member as mafia.

My current debate: Should we lynch Creedkingsx or Jr4Life24?

Both are likely mafia. I think Creedkingsx has a greater chance of being the Consort, but I get the feeling the majority of you believe that Jr4Life24 has a better chance of being mafia than Creedkingsx. If we lynch Jr4Life24 I think he will flip Mafioso (Useless Framer) or Consort. If we lynch Creedkingsx I think he will flip Consort.

I think I would like to vote Creedkingsx, but I will not do so yet. I would like to hear the thoughts of the community before placing an official vote.

[Roflcopter]

If both creed and jr are mafia, creed would be the better lynch since he is more active, the less active mafia will be more prone to slips.

[Chiller]

If both creed and jr are mafia, creed would be the better lynch since he is more active, the less active mafia will be more prone to slips.

Unless Jr4Life24 is the consort. However, I think that creed has more probability of being the consort. Also, you do make a good point of Creedkingsx being more active and cause more distractions for the town. What I want to know is how likely is it to you that Creedkingsx is mafia?

I would like everyone to tell me how likely they think Creedkingsx is mafia. No answering will lead to further speculation of possible ties between those who do not reply and the suspect.

[Roflcopter]

This is my last post before I head to sleep, but I personally am only sure of jr being mafia so far, if he roles mafia I would suspect creed next however.

[creedkingsx]

You remind me of myself, now, actually.
Sheeping the new people to follow your words.
A question like, "How likely is it that person X is mafia?" is a completely loaded question that anyone with half a mind can see through.
What an awfully scummy thing for you to say, the wording, that is.
And the smiles suggest confidence in trickery. They suggest you are proud of having effectively accomplished something that you weren't sure you could do at the beginning of the day. That something being leading the town into a lynch against their own.

The fact of the matter is that you are overly confident in what you have presented. Sure, you have written a lot but it is easy to write 4 paragraphs of fluff that boil down to basically saying, "I want town to lynch creed because that means I win."

Let me ask you this.
At what point have you addressed anyone other than myself today with a serious inquire? You haven't actually seriously thought of what everyone else has had to say, little it may be and minimal has been posted, but you have addressed nothing important to anyone but me. It suggests you went into this day with 1 goal. Get me lynched.
Tunnel vision is a very bad thing.

We look through the past and see lots of people who have tunnel visioned people and it led to the demise of the town. Why, our fair Damus strived to fit in with the community to the point where he tunneled who to follow. And he received his fair share of abuse from those who he decided to only listen to.
Blazer has been tunnel visioned a few times and it, would have, led to the demise of town in FM12.
Clementine gets tunnel visioned in almost every game she plays. If she isn't dead by the first night, she is lynched. Nobody chooses to explore other options.

I urge the town to consider Chiller and consider me. His evidence is simply based on the fact that I want to lynch fatalis, a lynch I have brought actual evidence to the table for wanting, over Jr, someone who replaced someone who was afk the whole first day and IMMEDIATELY replaced. Yet, somehow, someone who claims to be a citizen know for absolute sure is mafia.

Want to know why he wants Jr out of the picture? Because Jr claimed citizen, the role Chiller claimed which is a classic go to role for mafia.

I would normally take this time to push for a lynch on chiller, but I more comfortable with lynching Fatalis because of 2 things:
1. If I switch to Chiller, the obvious choice for him would be to go for the, "oh, vote for your accuser." It doesn't particularly matter which mafia we get, Fatalis and Chiller are both mafia in my eyes. So I am fine with Fatalis, still.

2. I have more reasons to think Fatalis is evil. I have listed them previously, and it would be a waste of my sleepy time, which I do oh so enjoy, to re-type them out as this has gone on long enough.

You have to decide, town. I leave this in your hands as I go to sleep. If you choose to lynch me, you are bad at life. lololjkiwubewe<3

[Chiller]

You remind me of myself, now, actually. Interesting comment. Trying to connect to your target through a personal route and using that to make people think you know me and can know exactly what I am doing. Too bad that kind of psychology won't work.
Sheeping the new people to follow your words.
A question like, "How likely is it that person X is mafia?" is a completely loaded question that anyone with half a mind can see through.A simple question. I have you or Jr4Life24 as my candidates for lynch. I have heard about Jr4Life24 but not so much on you.
What an awfully scummy thing for you to say, the wording, that is.
And the smiles suggest confidence in trickery. They suggest you are proud of having effectively accomplished something that you weren't sure you could do at the beginning of the day. That something being leading the town into a lynch against their own. You can believe that if you wish.

The fact of the matter is that you are overly confident in what you have presented. Sure, you have written a lot but it is easy to write 4 paragraphs of fluff that boil down to basically saying, "I want town to lynch creed because that means I win."

Apparently you did not read my paragraphs thoroughly. I provided theories and reasons behind my accusations. There was no fluff but thoughts on the matter and actually analysis. I did push hard that I believe you are scum but I haven't tunneled on just you. This defense is quite comical seeing as you figure me to just tunnel on you when I have repeatedly stated the multiple candidates for mafia and how there are TWO candidates worthy for a lynch, in my eyes.

Let me ask you this.
At what point have you addressed anyone other than myself today with a serious inquire? You haven't actually seriously thought of what everyone else has had to say, little it may be and minimal has been posted, but you have addressed nothing important to anyone but me. It suggests you went into this day with 1 goal. Get me lynched.
Tunnel vision is a very bad thing.

No one else has been on to ask. I have proposed questions out in general but no one else took the time to respond. Perhaps if the players here actually took time to play the game we would have a productive discussion and get something accomplished. You realize that I have asked questions about what people have posted correct? I have all taken that into analysis and have quoted and responded to what others have said. Read the day chat and you will see that I have replied to those who have spoken. I am putting your feet to the fire because I truly believe you are mafia. You are pulling a great defense by trying to discredit me and make me out to be the bad guy. This is a sure way to distract the discussion onto something else.

We look through the past and see lots of people who have tunnel visioned people and it led to the demise of the town. Why, our fair Damus strived to fit in with the community to the point where he tunneled who to follow. And he received his fair share of abuse from those who he decided to only listen to.
Blazer has been tunnel visioned a few times and it, would have, led to the demise of town in FM12.
Clementine gets tunnel visioned in almost every game she plays. If she isn't dead by the first night, she is lynched. Nobody chooses to explore other options.

I have given more than one option, I have proposed my theories, and I have put out my accusations. There is no "tunnel vision". I took the time to ask one question about you and you call it tunneling on you. That's very interesting. I did provide multiple candidates for mafia and that my candidates for lynching are you and jr4life24. I do not consider that "tunneling" on a player. I have also provided analysis on multiple suspects and proclaimed what I thought of each. I have analyzed the new posts and have interpreted them as I saw fit and made more accusations based off of that. It may seem that I am "tunneling" on you when you are just someone is most active and easy to question. Besides, the more information and discussion the better. Even if I can only talk to you, it gives me more information to work with.

I urge the town to consider Chiller and consider me. His evidence is simply based on the fact that I want to lynch fatalis, a lynch I have brought actual evidence to the table for wanting, over Jr, someone who replaced someone who was afk the whole first day and IMMEDIATELY replaced. Yet, somehow, someone who claims to be a citizen know for absolute sure is mafia.

Since when was my evidence solely based on you wanting to lynch Fatalis? I did propose a theory as to why you would want to achieve that, but I have provided analysis on multiple pieces of information. Did you really not read my theories? So where is your actual evidence for wanting to lynch Fatalis? All it was is "Hey he claimed late. He claimed a role to blend in. He's just like Jr4Life24 but I'm ignoring that." We already went over that. I provided better analysis in my accusations.

I would naturally suspect Jr4Life24 as mafia because if I am the citizen I claim to be that would make him a 4th citizen. That is outrageously unlikely! The fact that you ignore the Citizen vs Citizen claim is intriguing. Do you believe there are 4 citizens here? Why would you ignore the possibility that I or Jr4life24 is lying and go for Fatalis?

Want to know why he wants Jr out of the picture? Because Jr claimed citizen, the role Chiller claimed which is a classic go to role for mafia.

If it's the classic route for mafia, then why can't Jr4Life24 be mafia as well? Seems like you have some tunnel vision on me...If I were mafia, would I restrict their actions over night like so? It seems that I am doing more harm to them than good.

I would normally take this time to push for a lynch on chiller, but I more comfortable with lynching Fatalis because of 2 things:
1. If I switch to Chiller, the obvious choice for him would be to go for the, "oh, vote for your accuser." It doesn't particularly matter which mafia we get, Fatalis and Chiller are both mafia in my eyes. So I am fine with Fatalis, still.

Ok. That's a horrible defense if I were to say that. You should shoot me if I ever say that. The other point is this, what "evidence" do you have against me? Your evidence on Fatalis is laughable. Even my analysis on Fatalis provided more insight.

2. I have more reasons to think Fatalis is evil. I have listed them previously, and it would be a waste of my sleepy time, which I do oh so enjoy, to re-type them out as this has gone on long enough.

Ok so you decide to not provide your evidence here and instead say you have some. Great tactic. Let me quote your evidence for you.

My reason for wanting to lynch fatalis is, in fact, because of my claim. That coupled with the fact that fatalis was on of the last to claim anything. He has posted little and claims late.
Furthermore, he claims with a category that has been involved in 2 other people, like when a godfather claims citizen knowing there are 2 citizens still alive. It is the safest bet. ("Evidence") Post #460

And which I replied.

To sum up your reasoning is because of 'your claim' as vigilante and then bodyguard. Coupled with him being the last one to claim. (Technically Jr4Life24 was the last one to claim.) If you follow your own logic, you should want Jr4life24 dead. He was the last to claim and claimed the least likely role. He fits your "Godfather claiming citizen" scenario better.

I also provided his "evidence" earlier in teal. (Read post #470 and on to see how our discussion went)


You have to decide, town. I leave this in your hands as I go to sleep. If you choose to lynch me, you are bad at life. lololjkiwubewe<3

So far your defense is this, tunnel vision is bad (which I proved I wasn't doing), trying to make me look like scum and discredit my analysis, and Meta Game combined with your "evidence" against Fatalis. You decide to try and discredit my analysis while providing hardly anything for evidence. How disappointing. You could at least drop Fatalis for now and notice how scummy Jr4life24 is. If you want to have a Me vs You vote for lynch today go for it. I think that I can defend myself fully and have provided enough to show everyone that you are most likely mafia.

I find it interesting how as soon as I ask the question "How likely is Creedkingsx to be mafia?" to the public you get defensive and target me. Wouldn't that be a classic thing to do as scum? I mean it's just a simple question. After responses I could ask the same about Jr4life24. I'm just trying to get feedback here. I'm getting quite a bit back from you, which I like! It help build up my theory about you being mafia. The more information I have to work with the better! Thanks for finally taking the time to try and come up with something for me to read and hold a conversation about. This is the biggest reply I've had to work with all day. I wish we had more posts like this. Bundles of information inside.

[creedkingsx]

Really wish TDL would have checked Jr. >.<

[creedkingsx]

Clearly targeting you by how I voted you. :o

I want to hear from the other. Let's face it, we have both heard enough from each other, we can sit here and ridicule each other all we want, exclaiming each other didn't do this or ignored this or that and the other, but the result ends the same.

So let's hear what other think.

You think I am scum, I know you are scum with fatalis.

[Chiller]

Clearly targeting you by how I voted you. :o

I want to hear from the other. Let's face it, we have both heard enough from each other, we can sit here and ridicule each other all we want, exclaiming each other didn't do this or ignored this or that and the other, but the result ends the same.

So let's hear what other think.

You think I am scum, I know you are scum with fatalis.

You are targeting with accusations. Those carry meanings besides votes. Challenging someone like you did and providing "evidence" is targeting them. It was a nice effort though. It's a shame you don't have anything else to try and discuss with me. I guess you didn't prepare well enough.

Yes I have been pushing to hear from others for a while now.