General Opinion

[TimeTrx]

I would like to state that this is a serious thread, in serious discussion and I am not breaking any rules by asking this, yes it is border line common sense issue but this is suppose be a scientific discussion and non bias one on my part.
We (Glip, Creed, and Myself) would like everyone's stance on drugs. Illegal ones.
This all started in Skype over one particular drug, which one of us may be a user of said drug. The other two believe that it is bad and it has certain risks that are bad. The other person believes it poses generally good health benefits, unfortunately for both sides there are no clear scientific studies to back either up. Therefore we would like to get an idea of what the popular consensus on the site on the personal beliefs of the health benefits/harm of drug use and the issues surrounding these.

Basically to sum it up: From a scientifical view point is it harmful, yes or no?

Discuss.

[Apocist]

It is my opinion that all drugs, legal and otherwise, are in some way harmful towards humans.
If this is regarding 'weed', I agree it should be either legalized, or alcohol and cigarettes should be made illegal as well.

These are the opinions of a person that has never smoked anything before nor rarely..I mean severely rarely takes medication such as Tylenol, aspirin, ibuprofen, or any other 'painkillers' unless absolutely needed. Have a headache? have fun, oh freaking well. I do admit that I have the occasional drink every couple of months.

[Raptorblaze]

Weed doesn't have any documented harmful side effects, though I've personally noticed personality changes caused using it. My personal opinion is that as long as you do not harm other people, you should be allowed to destroy your body however you like.

[Apocist]

Weed doesn't have any documented harmful side effects, though I've personally noticed personality changes caused using it. My personal opinion is that as long as you do not harm other people, you should be allowed to destroy your body however you like.

I would agree with you as well, but harming yourself is considered a criminal act in the states :P

[Cryptonic]

Are you talking about weed?

[Apocist]

Are you talking about weed?

Which post?

[Cryptonic]

First post.
He says all drugs, then he says "said drug", singular.


Grouping all illegal drugs together is like banning the sale of cats because of Lions.

If it is about weed, let's just say that if you think smoking weed is bad, but condone alcohol consumption, you're not very intelligent.

[Apocist]

Well he initially stated he wanted a theorem on drugs....which I believed to be drugs in general. Seeing as weed is the biggest debated drug, I had to state a fair basis on that in particular, just in case he was referring to it.

That being said, what is your theorem on drugs in general and/or weed?

[Damus_Graves]

All drugs have side effects. These side effects vary by person.

IMO: Drugs = bad.

[Apocist]

All drugs have side effects. These side effects vary by person.

IMO: Drugs = bad.

Exactly. Hell most things we take can be bad for us. Doctors even like to dish out meds for everything.

It's something else if it is serious issue, but seriously, there's not a single time I went to an army doc and didn't receive a prescription for ibuprofen.

Meds most of the time aren't needed.

[Cryptonic]

I think the usage of any and all drugs is fine as long as you know the risks of the drug you are doing. Always do your homework. (although, your homework on many drugs should prevent you from trying.. like crack/heroin/meth)

A drug should never be done to make yourself feel better. Self medicating is the easiest way to become dependent.

Drugs must remain a low priority when it comes to money. If you can't make rent because you're doing drugs, you shouldn't be doing them.

You should never be in a situation where you can hurt yourself or others while influenced.




If you eat prepackaged food, fast food, drink pop, or anything like that... You can't really say doing drugs, like weed, is bad without being a hypocrite.

[Apocist]

I think the usage of any and all drugs is fine as long as you know the risks of the drug you are doing. Always do your homework. (although, your homework on many drugs should prevent you from trying.. like crack/heroin/meth)

A drug should never be done to make yourself feel better. Self medicating is the easiest way to become dependent.

Drugs must remain a low priority when it comes to money. If you can't make rent because you're doing drugs, you shouldn't be doing them.

You should never be in a situation where you can hurt yourself or others while influenced.




If you eat prepackaged food, fast food, drink pop, or anything like that... You can't really say doing drugs, like weed, is bad without being a hypocrite.

That also comes to the point of WHY you use them. You said you should never use drugs to make yourself feel better, then whats the point of taking drugs at all?

And everyone should know by know that fast food/soda/snacks are all bad for you. Sometimes its sad that fast food can be cheaper than a home cooked meal..

[Cryptonic]

That also comes to the point of WHY you use them. You said you should never use drugs to make yourself feel better, then whats the point of taking drugs at all?

And everyone should know by know that fast food/soda/snacks are all bad for you. Sometimes its sad that fast food can be cheaper than a home cooked meal..

Why do you play video games? Why do you watch television?
To have fun.

[Apocist]

Why do you play video games? Why do you watch television?
To have fun.

I guess drugs could never be something to let me have fun. I require the use of my head or I panic, that's why I don't drink much.
Just the fact knowing about it, scares me enough to never use it.

[Glip]

Weed doesn't have any documented harmful side effects, though I've personally noticed personality changes caused using it. My personal opinion is that as long as you do not harm other people, you should be allowed to destroy your body however you like.

[5:08:22 AM] Glip: IMO
[5:08:30 AM] Glip: As long as what you're doing doesn't harm anyone else
[5:08:33 AM] Glip: go right ahead

Agreed, Rap.

Which is really all the better case for why marijuana should be legalized and alcohol should be illegalized. It has been clearly shown that drunk people doing stupid drunk stuff have harmed and killed others, whereas I've never heard of any such incidents where the perpetrator was high, and not drunk.

Unfortunately, there's already too much of an industry built up around its production, distribution, and consumption, along with alcohol use being too widespread, making prohibition of alcohol not really a viable option. As was demonstrated by the results of the Prohibition movement in the U.S. back in the early 1900's.

It is my opinion that all drugs, legal and otherwise, are in some way harmful towards humans.
If this is regarding 'weed', I agree it should be either legalized, or alcohol and cigarettes should be made illegal as well.

These are the opinions of a person that has never smoked anything before nor rarely..I mean severely rarely takes medication such as Tylenol, aspirin, ibuprofen, or any other 'painkillers' unless absolutely needed. Have a headache? have fun, oh freaking well. I do admit that I have the occasional drink every couple of months.

Except for the occasional drink part, this is totally me.

[Roflcopter]

First off, I don't believe in alcohol consumption or drug use recreationally, both should be limited to medicinal uses.

Second, physical drugs aren't nearly as bad as the sound based drugs that directly jack with your brain by specific frequencies.

As for weed in specific, it's especially bad because of its addictive properties, similar to the food colorants that are used in food like gushers, fruit Rollups, fruit snacks, kool aid, etc.

It's not nearly as harmful as other drugs for sure, but it is definitely going to destroy you physically and economically if you become an addict.

[Roflcopter]

As for the video game argument someone made, drugs and gaming can be equally addicting, however drugs can have long term repricussions and chemical side effects, I had a friend who had decided to try weed for the first time, he had an allergy to one of the chemicals inside, and had died within a minute of taking it from a respiratory seizure.

[Glip]

First off, I don't believe in alcohol consumption or drug use recreationally, both should be limited to medicinal uses.

Second, physical drugs aren't nearly as bad as the sound based drugs that directly jack with your brain by specific frequencies.

As for weed in specific, it's especially bad because of its addictive properties, similar to the food colorants that are used in food like gushers, fruit Rollups, fruit snacks, kool aid, etc.

It's not nearly as harmful as other drugs for sure, but it is definitely going to destroy you physically and economically if you become an addict.

What? Food coloring is an additive, not addictive >.>

What's your source saying that the food colorants used in those products is addictive? I can't find anything about it. The closest I've found to anything like that is this:

https://inspirationgreen.com/food-dye...-problems.html

EDIT: Found a more reputable site, which still says nothing about food colorants being addictive.

https://www.cspinet.org/reports/chemcuisine.htm#dyes

[Roflcopter]

What? Food coloring is an additive, not addictive >.>

What's your source saying that the food colorants used in those products is addictive? I can't find anything about it. The closest I've found to anything like that is this:

https://inspirationgreen.com/food-dye...-problems.html

EDIT: Found a more reputable site, which still says nothing about food colorants being addictive.

https://www.cspinet.org/reports/chemcuisine.htm#dyes

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...food-dyes.aspx

[Apocist]

So we moved on to addic............................................. .................................................. .......................................fsa st ew fe wd
dsfHHFH Ankmk d......addictive food coloring...

Well as I type this I recieved a phone call telling me I'm laid off...nice....

Well I'm out *poof*

[Brendan]

I'm sure TimeTrx is the one that thinks it should be illegal etc.

[Jim]

So we moved on to addic............................................. .................................................. .......................................fsa st ew fe wd
dsfHHFH Ankmk d......addictive food coloring...

Well as I type this I recieved a phone call telling me I'm laid off...nice....

Well I'm out *poof*

Well I feel like this person is going to do drugs now.
Thus drugs are bad because people generally don't do drugs (illegal ones) when they are happy.

[TimeTrx]

First post.
He says all drugs, then he says "said drug", singular.


Grouping all illegal drugs together is like banning the sale of cats because of Lions.

If it is about weed, let's just say that if you think smoking weed is bad, but condone alcohol consumption, you're not very intelligent.

Well, yes and no. I would like to say I can't state my opinion without being bias. But what I can say is this topic is based on lab test we are doing at the university. We are testing the effects between rats on a common illegal drug, alcohol, and a control group. So I just wanted a consensus before the results in the lab are final.

Basically, I not asking if they are harmful, because everything is harmful in large quantities (fat, alcohol, drugs, heavy metals, etc) but where you draw the line on what should be ok for use and not ok for use.

[Tossangel]

The majority of drug abusers are of child bearing age. They are harming more than just themselves, if they have children or take drugs while pregnant.

[Blazer]

My opinion on the matter is that all drugs are harmful. To what degree is dependant on each drug. Not all side effects are known for all drugs and even over the counter drugs can be harmful. Foreign substances will always effect your body one way or another. Illegal drugs can certainly be harmful. Asking if they all are is generalization. Harmful is subjective as well. Some would consider the halluciniginic effects of some drugs harmful while others would not.

TL;DR

Spoiler : TL DR! :

[Damus_Graves]

My opinion on the matter is that all drugs are harmful. To what degree is dependant on each drug. Not all side effects are known for all drugs and even over the counter drugs can be harmful. Foreign substances will always effect your body one way or another. Illegal drugs can certainly be harmful. Asking if they all are is generalization. Harmful is subjective as well. Some would consider the halluciniginic effects of some drugs harmful while others would not.

TLR

I agree with this with one exception.

I believe the phrase is tl;dr

[Blazer]

I agree with this with one exception.

I believe the phrase is tl;dr

Dude read my post. You quoted while i was editing QQ

[creedkingsx]

It was about weed yes.
We had a nice discussion, for the most part, about it.
TimeTrx doesn't listen, though. Just kept spouting out whatever came to mind. I think he has turrets.
:P Sorry Time, it's true though and you know it.

I explained my reasons why I use it to them.
It isn't strictly recreational for me.

I also get this is sort of a necro, but since I am specifically mentioned in the OP, I feel I should add my 2 cents.

[Slaol]

Hope this convo' is still active.

Drugs that have a low risk of killing you are fine. It is the people making the decisions around them that are the issue and doing things wrong. It is excess, and general stupidity that take something of neutral value and turn it into a death sentence.

A steak isn't going to kill you, but all red meat 24/7 will. Exercise is, obviously, good for the body, but I have two personal friends that nearly died from over doing it- a girl that lost weight too strongly, and a guy that put on weight so quickly his heart stopped wanting to work (no 'roids, just excess). I got close to this, my lifting was so tough that I couldn't breathe in without feeling like I was being punched in the chest (stopped working out after that). Excess and stupidity can turn any simple experience into a bad thing.

That said- there are drugs that are way more hazardous. Broke off communication with a girl that did cocaine, brother almost overdosed on meth. Some things are just flat out moronic. Don't run into traffic. Don't try to break up two cats that are going at it. Don't do stupid things.

Drugs in principle can be fine, they are merely an experience comparable to sex, a good meal, or a theme park. It just so happens that drugs, as well as alcohol (family experience with that one too) are very good at bringing out both excess and stupidity.