S-FM: Prelude

**CmG** · October 19th, 2012, 05:23 AM

Which makes you and him teammates in my list. =)

**Fatalis** · October 19th, 2012, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by CmG

Fatalis is always pretty obvious. He doesn't write much but he likes to do power statements like. I SHOOT U DED TONIGHT IF YOU DON'T POST SOMETHING and stuff. If he is scum he just lurks hardcore and does not contribute much. If he is town he still does not contribute much but he is not that lurky.

You ll see it sooner or later. That's why we use anonym accounts for the bigger games. You can just analyse the patterns of the players most of the time to know which alignment they have.

Does not work for everyone though.

Fuck
-shoot CmG

**Espozito** · October 19th, 2012, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by CmG

Which makes you and him teammates in my list. =)

Well, yeah, finding players who act together is a nice strategy))

**Damus_Graves** · October 19th, 2012, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by CmG

Which makes you and him teammates in my list. =)

No.

Originally Posted by Sry i forget your name a lot

Here. Short. Smart. Epic. Now he's the town leader for me =D

Um thank you?

**Espozito** · October 19th, 2012, 05:29 AM

I still think that Fatalis is just a troll. Acting like scum or an obv jester giving no opinions and just these trolling posts out, he possibly tries to get mafia kill away from him. He is just too obv to be maf target, but as i always say:

To spot out the evildoers ALWAYS check the ones whom you wouldn't EVER check.

By this rule, I think we gotta check Fatalis unless his trolling becomes FATal for us.

**CmG** · October 19th, 2012, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by Espozito

I still think that Fatalis is just a troll. Acting like scum or an obv jester giving no opinions and just these trolling posts out, he possibly tries to get mafia kill away from him. He is just too obv to be maf target, but as i always say:

To spot out the evildoers ALWAYS check the ones whom you wouldn't EVER check.

By this rule, I think we gotta check Fatalis unless his trolling becomes FATal for us.

Well, don't tell town what to do. It's a classical scum tell. Imagine the Mafia has a framer. Who would he frame tonight? The more you try to get the town night actions together at day the more easy it gets for the bad guys at night.

**Damus_Graves** · October 19th, 2012, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by CmG

Well, don't tell town what to do. It's a classical scum tell. Imagine the Mafia has a framer. Who would he frame tonight? The more you try to get the town night actions together at day the more easy it gets for the bad guys at night.

Or give in groups.

EX: Check chane, glip, fatalis, damus

**Damus_Graves** · October 19th, 2012, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by Espozito

town leader for me

i dun wanna be town leader. CMG! you be town leader.

**Espozito** · October 19th, 2012, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by CmG

Well, don't tell town what to do. It's a classical scum tell. Imagine the Mafia has a framer. Who would he frame tonight? The more you try to get the town night actions together at day the more easy it gets for the bad guys at night.

Ah, hell, I got so much more to learn'a'bout

**CmG** · October 19th, 2012, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by Damus_Graves

i dun wanna be town leader. CMG! you be town leader.

But i get shot tonight D:

**CmG** · October 19th, 2012, 05:42 AM

Funfact i had my lw already written b4 Day 1 went up! ^^

**Damus_Graves** · October 19th, 2012, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by CmG

But i get shot tonight D:

but i dont trust clem to be town leader >>

**Damus_Graves** · October 19th, 2012, 06:55 AM

Chane why havent you posted?

**clementine** · October 19th, 2012, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Damus_Graves

FINALLY! I beat the ruddy bastard.

Alright Fatalis shut up. You are full on retard or obvious scum. none of your posts are useful and are clearly designed to be obnoxious enough to divert attention from others. Mafia friends getting pressured hmm?
secondly you are doing absolutly nothing useful to town expect wasting our time on you. Shut up or get in the game.

Clem why you gotta push lynches so hard day one? It's like your trying to look as scummy as possible.

CmG the only guy that looks remotely like town to me atm.

Rofl - townie no doubt about. just look at his posts and it screams I HAVE NO F****** NIGHT ABILITY!!! Citizen or mason.

@ Damus: commenting on the likelihood of others having town PR night actions is very anti town. Why point things out for scum? Make them figure it out themselves. This is not as bad as you divulging the jailor's identity but in my mind its another example of bad town play. Write this stuff in your notes and ponder quietly.

And to Fatalis, Roflcopter, and everyone who thinks its a good idea to WIFOM scum or jester... Guess what! It's not a good idea! You make town PR waste night actions on you tonight. Everyone just needs to post a lot and stimulate discussion so we can begin to see connections emerging in daychat. That's why I happen to like random voting on day 1. It doesn't have to be a troll day - anyone who treats it as such is exhibiting anti-town behavior. This ain't sc2mafia, sheeples, and Clem is in this game. So of course I'm going to expect a lot more from you guys than jester WIFOM. Too newb scum!

**clementine** · October 19th, 2012, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Damus_Graves

but i dont trust clem to be town leader >>

My situation sorts itself on its own. If I flip town in the graveyard that's your cue to re-examine my reads. If I'm still alive at LYLO you wonder to yourself if its all WIFOM or if I'm scum.

**Damus_Graves** · October 19th, 2012, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by clem

@ Damus: commenting on the likelihood of others having town PR night actions is very anti town. Why point things out for scum? Make them figure it out themselves. This is not as bad as you divulging the jailor's identity but in my mind its another example of bad town play. Write this stuff in your notes and ponder quietly.

who said i had notes?

Driving lynches day one is anti town as well.

**Damus_Graves** · October 19th, 2012, 10:42 AM

Serious:

I pointed it out because I have seen Rofl play and he plays scummy like. Based on his posts I made the open analyzes I did because he will dig a deeper and deeper scum hole for himself with his reactions. Now if he s scum and is playing me then kudos for him but i believe him to be town

**clementine** · October 19th, 2012, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Damus_Graves

who said i had notes?

Driving lynches day one is anti town as well.

Damus, why do you claim driving lynches D1 is anti town? Towns biggest tool is the lynch and vote count analysis to try to prove scum connections. In fact, I counter argue you that day 1 trolling is more anti town than day 1 pressure voting.

The only thing anti town about the train on Appley is him claiming at L-4.

All in all I have helped generate topics of discussion for people to take a stand on regarding their scumminess and towniness. I think stimulating discussion is, in fact, pro town.

**Damus_Graves** · October 19th, 2012, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by clementine

Damus, why do you claim driving lynches D1 is anti town? Towns biggest tool is the lynch and vote count analysis to try to prove scum connections. In fact, I counter argue you that day 1 trolling is more anti town than day 1 pressure voting.

The only thing anti town about the train on Appley is him claiming at L-4.

All in all I have helped generate topics of discussion for people to take a stand on regarding their scumminess and towniness. I think stimulating discussion is, in fact, pro town.

Your argument is strictly based upon you believing your actions have been in the best interests of town. While I do not disregard their help I do question the choices for your day one lynch pushes. Appley? And based on One post? it doesnt make sense and it hindered town. A pressure train on Fatalis or even Creed would have had more basis than Appley.

(I am NOT defending Appley. I believe his claim was rushed but his claimed role is not a general Scum claim.)

**Chane** · October 19th, 2012, 11:21 AM

-unvote

beehhhh

**Chane** · October 19th, 2012, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by clementine

Damus, why do you claim driving lynches D1 is anti town? Towns biggest tool is the lynch and vote count analysis to try to prove scum connections. In fact, I counter argue you that day 1 trolling is more anti town than day 1 pressure voting.

The only thing anti town about the train on Appley is him claiming at L-4.

All in all I have helped generate topics of discussion for people to take a stand on regarding their scumminess and towniness. I think stimulating discussion is, in fact, pro town.

agreed.

**Damus_Graves** · October 19th, 2012, 11:25 AM

Chane do not let the other FM impead your game in this one. Each FM is a clean slate and a fresh start.

**Roflcopter** · October 19th, 2012, 11:34 AM

I'm obviously not evil.

(Anyway, these are my reads on people)

Clementine seems to be having a strong interest in trying to "Herd" the town, claiming that anyone going against, is trying to act like a jester or scum. This leads me to believe clementine is probably a member of the mafia, understanding enough support can be gotten from fellow mafia to play as a (town leader?). If I had to GUESS an exact role, i'd say GF.

Assuming that read is correct, it may not be, the voters that voted right with, may be the other mafia members.

So on second thought, creed may even be a mafia role, seeing as how he subtly defends clem.
This againt, assumes that clem is mafia, which I believe is true.

CmG seems to be playing differently then when he was a power-town role in a different FM, more "casually" so he seems cit to me.

**creedkingsx** · October 19th, 2012, 01:02 PM

That would assume clem was mafia :o

**Glip** · October 19th, 2012, 02:20 PM

NOTICE:

Depending on certain unknown circumstances, it is possible that this day may be extended by up to two hours. If it happens, night will still end at the normal time, 10 PM EDT tomorrow.

I will make another announcement if it appears that day won't have to be extended. For now, assume it will.

**Apocist** · October 19th, 2012, 02:44 PM

Have to agree, clem appears scummy with the push more lynching in only day 1.

CmG, you're obviously leads most of the posts, I'd say you would make the best town leader.

**creedkingsx** · October 19th, 2012, 03:03 PM

Let us join in the traditional "Clem must die by Day 2"

**Apocist** · October 19th, 2012, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by creedkingsx

Let us join in the traditional "Clem must die by Day 2"

hey if it's tradition...why gotta follow it right?

**straykiwi** · October 19th, 2012, 03:12 PM

Is one post enough contribution?
I can post more but ... it's day 1. Theres nothing to say.

I had issues getting into my account until now. Almost posted with the wrong account! (damus lol)

-vote creedkingsx

**AppleyNO** · October 19th, 2012, 03:12 PM

Hello

I am back. Glad you guys ignored my awesome reasoning for claiming. Which doesn't seem that awesome now.

I also biked 12 miles to school because I woke up late.

While clem seems scummy, I realize that it is only due to her playing aggressively and using a lot of meta. I'm going to reread the chat and see if what I think about everyone.

**Damus_Graves** · October 19th, 2012, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by straykiwi

Is one post enough contribution?
I can post more but ... it's day 1. Theres nothing to say.

I had issues getting into my account until now. Almost posted with the wrong account! (damus lol)

-vote creedkingsx

what the? random vote much?

**clementine** · October 19th, 2012, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Roflcopter

I'm obviously not evil.

(Anyway, these are my reads on people)

Clementine seems to be having a strong interest in trying to "Herd" the town, claiming that anyone going against, is trying to act like a jester or scum. This leads me to believe clementine is probably a member of the mafia, understanding enough support can be gotten from fellow mafia to play as a (town leader?). If I had to GUESS an exact role, i'd say GF.

Assuming that read is correct, it may not be, the voters that voted right with, may be the other mafia members.

So on second thought, creed may even be a mafia role, seeing as how he subtly defends clem.
This againt, assumes that clem is mafia, which I believe is true.

CmG seems to be playing differently then when he was a power-town role in a different FM, more "casually" so he seems cit to me.

@Roflcopter, I have some questions for you:
1. Do you think speculating about people's roles in daychat is pro town or anti town and why?
2. Do you believe that mafia would vote straight out of the gate as a voting block on Day 1? (i.e. the train of me, creed, and Damus on AppleyNO)
3. Why did you neglect to mention Damus in your post about me and the train on appley? Often times scum will avoid mentioning their scum partners in day chat and flat out ignore them. Much like you have done to Damus in your analysis thus far.
4. What is your opinion of Damus?

@Espozito, do you believe speculation about people's roles in daychat is pro-town or anti town and why? What is your opinion on creedkingsx and Fatalis?

Originally Posted by Apocist

Have to agree, clem appears scummy with the push more lynching in only day 1.

CmG, you're obviously leads most of the posts, I'd say you would make the best town leader.

@Apocist, I have a few questions for you, too.
1. Do you think scum would want to try to appear scummy in daychat by pushing day 1 lynch trains?
2. Can you point out specific posts or ideas from CmG that make you trust him enough to say he would be the best town leader?
3. What do you think of AppleyNO's premature detective claim at L-4?

@Chane
1. What do you think of AppleyNO's prematurely detective claim at L-4?
2. What is your opinion of Fatalis's play thus far? Do you think he is pro-town or anti-town for the jester WIFOM by "purposefully acting scummy" (Post #83)?

@Fatalis What do you hope to accomplish by acting scummy (of your own admission in post#83)? Even if you don't answer this today, I expect you to answer this question on a later day.

**clementine** · October 19th, 2012, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Roflcopter

I'm obviously not evil.

(Anyway, these are my reads on people)

Clementine seems to be having a strong interest in trying to "Herd" the town, claiming that anyone going against, is trying to act like a jester or scum. This leads me to believe clementine is probably a member of the mafia, understanding enough support can be gotten from fellow mafia to play as a (town leader?). If I had to GUESS an exact role, i'd say GF.

Assuming that read is correct, it may not be, the voters that voted right with, may be the other mafia members.

So on second thought, creed may even be a mafia role, seeing as how he subtly defends clem.
This againt, assumes that clem is mafia, which I believe is true.

CmG seems to be playing differently then when he was a power-town role in a different FM, more "casually" so he seems cit to me.

Originally Posted by Apocist

Have to agree, clem appears scummy with the push more lynching in only day 1.

CmG, you're obviously leads most of the posts, I'd say you would make the best town leader.

Originally Posted by straykiwi

Is one post enough contribution?
I can post more but ... it's day 1. Theres nothing to say.

I had issues getting into my account until now. Almost posted with the wrong account! (damus lol)

-vote creedkingsx

@Straykiwi I have some questions for you:
1. What do you think about AppleyNO's detective claim at L-4?
2. Do you think CmG is scummy?
3. What is your opinion on Fatalis's post #83 where he declares he is purposefully acting scummy?

**clementine** · October 19th, 2012, 03:31 PM

Whoops, I guess those first two quotes were stuck in my multiquote. please disregard, as i meant only to quote straykiwi in #133

**Damus_Graves** · October 19th, 2012, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by clementine

Whoops, I guess those first two quotes were stuck in my multiquote. please disregard, as i meant only to quote straykiwi in #133

I want some questions... >>

**Damus_Graves** · October 19th, 2012, 03:35 PM

My projected role list:

Godfather
Framer
Consort

Jester/Executioner/Survivor

Cultist

Lookout
Doctor
Escort
Mason Leader
Sheriff
Jailor
Citizen
Citizen

**Damus_Graves** · October 19th, 2012, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Damus_Graves

My projected role list:

Godfather
Framer
Consort

Jester/Executioner/Survivor

Cultist

Lookout
Doctor
Escort
Mason Leader
Sheriff
Mason
Citizen
Citizen

Corrected

**AppleyNO** · October 19th, 2012, 03:42 PM

So that means your don't believe my Detective claim, Damus?

**Damus_Graves** · October 19th, 2012, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by AppleyNO

So that means your don't believe my Detective claim, Damus?

I generalized with what I expect to show up. I didn't want to be fallacious(?) and steal your list.

**AppleyNO** · October 19th, 2012, 03:47 PM

Clem, why do you think CmG is scummy? Because he questioned you?
O.o

**straykiwi** · October 19th, 2012, 03:48 PM

Yes CMG is scummy, he might be SK.

Don't know about appley

**creedkingsx** · October 19th, 2012, 03:51 PM

I don't believe your detective claim appley.
Too simple of a claim for anyone who has played this game a few times, so I expect you to be either
A: a more important town PR
B: a Citizen or
C: Scum.

**Damus_Graves** · October 19th, 2012, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by creedkingsx

I don't believe your detective claim appley.
Too simple of a claim for anyone who has played this game a few times, so I expect you to be either
A: a more important town PR
B: a Citizen or
C: Scum.

AKA:

Appley could be any role in the game

**clementine** · October 19th, 2012, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by AppleyNO

Clem, why do you think CmG is scummy? Because he questioned you?
O.o

When did I say I think CmG is scummy? Maybe you're projecting your views onto me. Let's ask you a question then... AppleyNO, why do YOU think CmG is scummy?

Originally Posted by straykiwi

Yes CMG is scummy, he might be SK.

Don't know about appley

@straykiwi, why specifically do you think CmG might be a sk and not mafia? Could this be a scumslip? You know he is not mafia since he is not on your mafia team, therefore the scum slot he could fill is one of a sk? Why do you believe there is likely to be a SK as opposed to one of the other killing neutrals?

**clementine** · October 19th, 2012, 04:00 PM

-vote straykiwi

**Damus_Graves** · October 19th, 2012, 04:01 PM

I see clem taking over as town leader.
interesting.

*takes notes*

**creedkingsx** · October 19th, 2012, 04:04 PM

I am actually impressed with the way clem is going about this.
Being just scummy enough that she won't die tonight from mafia/neutrals. Yes leading just enough that we don't want to straight kill her or lynch her. Protection from all factions.
And because of this assumption and play, it leaves it difficult to read what she may be without extensive meta.
Only problem is that Clem is known for literally random.org'ing a strategy from a list of strategies and sticking to that regardless of her alignment so meta is out.
Actually, I am not sure if she is known for that, I just know at one point she used to do that or something along those lines and I assume she still does as it is a great way to avoid meta.
So where does that leave us?
Fucked.

**AppleyNO** · October 19th, 2012, 04:06 PM

Well clem, I assume that asking everyone if they think CmG is scummy, you are either asking everyone if they don't like him so you can train him, or to see how your team member looks to other players.

**Damus_Graves** · October 19th, 2012, 04:07 PM

CLEM I WANT QUESTIONS!!!!!!!1

plz.

**straykiwi** · October 19th, 2012, 04:08 PM

That is not a scumslip. I just think he's sk. if there is one

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