Episode 1: Tatooine System Night

[FM Ferengi]

[FM Psyduck]

Ok, so that turned out pretty badly for us

I don't understand why Alakazam wasn't lynched though.. 32 people alive / 2 = 16. One extra vote for majority = 17. And Pichu didn't vote him, so there wasn't a fake vote on the pile.

As for the lookout frame ruling, that's a pretty strange one looking at the rolecard:

• Visit one person each night and frame the target to your choosing.
  
• May frame teammates as any role.
• May frame others as any role.
• Will provide false leads to the lookout and the detective.
• Lookout and Detectives can track the framer.

So we have no choice to frame lookout/detective information on a specific target as we want it? It always makes it seem like the framed target visits the kill target? That's a bummer, because it takes a lot of utility out of that option. I also don't think it's how it worked in past incarnations.

Of course we failed to submit any specific framing information, but that's our own fault. Maybe we should pay closer attention to the game and the rules so we don't miss anything else. Discuss plans and stop lurking like no tomorrow / posting random night actions without any real reasoning behind them.

Anyway, moving on...

- We kill and clean/clear Pichu
- Alakazam disguises as.. someone. Possibly someone who said they got no night feedback.
- Charizard blackmails/ventriloquists Gyrados and posts some BS result tomorrow to make people doubt his claim. Unless there is a second lookout, noone will detect it

Not sure yet about the other actions.

If someone is injected by a nurse, are they FORCED to use 2 actions the next night or can they just submit one?

Can we convey a message along with douse drugs?

If an arsonist gets injected, can he send both targets a different message, does it have to be the same message or can he only send one of the targets a message?

We need a code for roleblocks etc. I expect meowth or alakazam will get roleblocked.

[FM Psyduck]

Haunter's response to my lure drugs was smart by the way.. I honestly can't tell what he is from that.

First he went "did I get witched?" then "OH DAMN! I got lured!" and next "oh wait nvm it doesn't make a difference anyway"

The last line is especially annoying. It could imply he is something investigative and got a result that was impossible if he did get lured, it could imply he saw that the lure had no effect (his original target getting the desired feedback / his action wouldn't have done anything even if it had reached the original target, like a doctor or bg) or he's just a silly rebel without any night actions.

[FM Ferengi]

Ok, so that turned out pretty badly for us
Yes, yes it did. LOL

I don't understand why Alakazam wasn't lynched though.. 32 people alive / 2 = 16. One extra vote for majority = 17. And Pichu didn't vote him, so there wasn't a fake vote on the pile.
Cuz I said 18 votes to lynch....I never said majority anywhere did I? I don't think so

So we have no choice to frame lookout/detective information on a specific target as we want it? It always makes it seem like the framed target visits the kill target? That's a bummer, because it takes a lot of utility out of that option. I also don't think it's how it worked in past incarnations.
Yes, the framed target will always appear to have visited whoever was killed that night. (Whoever the mafia killer targets that is...) The only way a lookout can catch it is if they watch who was killed. The detective will see a distorted record of night actions.

If someone is injected by a nurse, are they FORCED to use 2 actions the next night or can they just submit one?
They can still just use one.

Can we convey a message along with douse drugs?
Nope. That's the catch.

If an arsonist gets injected, can he send both targets a different message, does it have to be the same message or can he only send one of the targets a message?
The arsonist can send a unique note to each target.

Anymore?

[FM Ferengi]

Fred is away IRL so here's his account information. You can assign one person to control it or multiple people. I will leave the password the same, I suggest you leave it alone too.
FM Squirtle : vOZGLyVU

[FM Psyduck]

What if we frame defensively? How does that work against a lookout/detective?

I'm thinking of using douse drugs anyway.. it may seem useless at first glance, but when you take WIFOM into account an arsonist with a nurse injection might choose not to send a message along to one of his targets in order to make himself less suspicious. Magmar is the one who got injected last night if we are to believe his claim, and he's playing the confusion game. Some people are FOSing him already, so he would doubtlessly get some flak for it.

I suppose I could perform the night kill instead, if we need to use all other actions for something else.

[FM Psyduck]

The night kill should probably be done by the framer or myself. Framer has a high chance of not doing anything though, and it might backfire like it did today (giving Gyrados' story extra credit).

I'm thinking Cubone could be a jester or a ghost, trying to get suspicion on him for defending likely scum. We could put a bounty on his head and hope a neutral killer goes for him (in case of ghost), make people think we are trying to protect him from lynching and/or give him protection from night kills by the town. If we use a bounty, I'd suggest 400,000 or something similar. 1,000,000 all at once is way too much imo.

Can we place multiple bounties at once?

We might consider putting a small bounty on Clefairy so the arsonist burns them quickly.

And a bounty on Mew to make people think he's on the right track with Blaziken. (Mew might also be a jester or some investigative role. He really had a hard on for Blaziken)

Mewtwo is obviously a threat to us, but if we put a bounty on his head, we're giving credit to Gyrados' claim and Blastoise's innocence. So maybe later.

[FM Ferengi]

What if we frame defensively? How does that work against a lookout/detective?
Opposite effect. The target can be listed in whichever class you choose as well, but this time the target will appear to have NOT visited the target.

Can we place multiple bounties at once?
You all can't place jack. Darth Vader can place 1 bounty at a time. ;)

Gimme moar!

[FM Alakazam]

Yeah, I definately need to disguise, I will look back and find someone who seems easy to pose as. For the most people, people time well so it should be hard to just pick someone out. Maybe even AshMagmar would be a good choice. I don't know, I will decide.

[FM Alakazam]

If someone trieds to kill me (Alakazam), will I be able to disguise before?

[FM Psyduck]

Opposite effect. The target can be listed in whichever class you choose as well, but this time the target will appear to have NOT visited the target.

More specifics please. Does it show the de-framed member visiting some other target or noone at all?

[FM Psyduck]

Oh and one other thing..

Does the disguiser kill show up the same as a mafia kill? And is a vigilante kill any different?

If it's easy to tell the source from death descriptions and people see 2 mafia kills or 1 cleaned/mafia kill and a disguiser kill specifically, it won't take long before someone figures out that there was a disguiser kill and after yesterday it will be immediately obvious that it was Alakazam.

[FM Psyduck]

Would we be informed if someone was "missing" from our night chat? And no I don't mean afk/lurking, but jailed.

[FM Ferengi]

If someone trieds to kill me (Alakazam), will I be able to disguise before?

Yup.

More specifics please. Does it show the de-framed member visiting some other target or noone at all?

If a lookout watched player x and you framed teammate y who visited player x, he would not show up to the lookout.

Oh and one other thing..

Does the disguiser kill show up the same as a mafia kill? And is a vigilante kill any different?
Disguiser shows up as a mafia kill. Vigilante will be different.

Would we be informed if someone was "missing" from our night chat? And no I don't mean afk/lurking, but jailed.
Nope. If someone is jailed, you won't know until either they talk about it in day or the next night.

Mk.

[FM Psyduck]

If a lookout watched player x and you framed teammate y who visited player x, he would not show up to the lookout.

So noone at all? i.e. we can't have someone pretend they visited player Z and support it with a frame in case anyone checks?

What about the detective? What will he see if we do a friendly frame?

Everyone needs to talk. This night chat is waaaaay too quiet for 7 mafia. I especially want to hear from Meowth, because he might be jailed and if he is, we can't rely on his mopping for our plans.

[FM Psyduck]

Can the grave robber use special mechanics abilities from his target such as the death star and placing bounties, or only standard abilities?

What will a coroner see if they target a dead person that got disguised?

Oh and I'll take over for Fred until our next player dies.

We can use the grave robber to gamble and steal from Scyther or tonight's kill target and "investigate" dead people, or we can take from Jigglypuff and be sure we get an ability at all. In any case, we're seriously lacking information right now.

[FM Squirtle]

Apparently, Fred likes his boards in manly pink

Looks like I got no PMs for night 1.

For now..

rob Jigglypuff

[FM Ferengi]

So noone at all? i.e. we can't have someone pretend they visited player Z and support it with a frame in case anyone checks?

What about the detective? What will he see if we do a friendly frame?
who is player z? And which target will the detective pick? The one who is framed?
Everyone needs to talk. This night chat is waaaaay too quiet for 7 mafia. I especially want to hear from Meowth, because he might be jailed and if he is, we can't rely on his mopping for our plans.

Can the grave robber use special mechanics abilities from his target such as the death star and placing bounties, or only standard abilities?
Standard
What will a coroner see if they target a dead person that got disguised?
The persons role and last will and last target. (from the perspective of the real account)
Oh and I'll take over for Fred until our next player dies.

We can use the grave robber to gamble and steal from Scyther or tonight's kill target and "investigate" dead people, or we can take from Jigglypuff and be sure we get an ability at all. In any case, we're seriously lacking information right now.

fawfgawg

[FM Alakazam]

I think I am going to disguise into Blastoise. He is active as I can be and his typing is similar to mine, albeit less attention to grammar, but relatively easy. He is starting to take a certain place as town to others' eyes.
-disguise Blastoise

[FM Squirtle]

Still just me and Alakazam? Dafuq... Might as well give us control of all the accounts so we can puppeteer the entire mafia lol.. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those who haven't posted haven't read through day 1 yet either.

If a lookout watched player x and you framed teammate y who visited player x, he would not show up to the lookout. who is player z? And which target will the detective pick? The one who is framed?

If a lookout watched player Z and we framed a teammate Y who visited player X, we can't make the lookout see player Y visiting player Z instead of player X to give us an alibi for our night action claims (lies)?

What does the detective see when he follows our player Y who visited player X, but we de-framed him? Does he see "your target visited noone," a random target, or a target of our choosing? (i.e. we make it look like our player visited player Z instead of player X, or even players A and B if we want to look like a role with multiple visits per night)

[FM Squirtle]

I think I am going to disguise into Blastoise. He is active as I can be and his typing is similar to mine, albeit less attention to grammar, but relatively easy. He is starting to take a certain place as town to others' eyes.
-disguise Blastoise

Are you sure that's wise? Blastoise might have made a disguiser check with the jailor.

[FM Ferengi]

Still just me and Alakazam? Dafuq... Might as well give us control of all the accounts so we can puppeteer the entire mafia lol.. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those who haven't posted haven't read through day 1 yet either.



If a lookout watched player Z and we framed a teammate Y who visited player X, we can't make the lookout see player Y visiting player Z instead of player X to give us an alibi for our night action claims (lies)?
Dafuq? No. lol. I'm just keeping a false visit for kills and a no visit for teammates.
What does the detective see when he follows our player Y who visited player X, but we de-framed him? Does he see "your target visited noone," a random target, or a target of our choosing? (i.e. we make it look like our player visited player Z instead of player X, or even players A and B if we want to look like a role with multiple visits per night)

You deframed terminology is killing my mind. lol. Ok so if you frame your teammate who kills someone, he visits no one that night. Lookout wont see him and the detective will get a visited no one result.

[FM Squirtle]

Well apparently I'm not the only one who thought it'd work that way. Alakazam's questions about framing in day chat indicated a similar train of thought. I think it worked that way in past incarnations too. It's in line with being able to choose investigation pairings for framing enemies.

Apparently in this game deframing can only make you look like a citizen/non killer, which is useful for masking kills, but it's bad in all cases where more intricate deception is attempted.

Just to be absolutely sure..

If we deframe our ally player Y, who visits player X and a detective follows Y.. does he still see our player Y visiting player X if player Y's action was NOT a kill?

[FM Squirtle]

Same question for lookouts.

If we deframe ally player Y, who visits player X (NOT A KILL) and a lookout watches player X, does he still see our player Y visiting player X?

[FM Squirtle]

To give an example for how this is useful..

Let's say I visit someone on Psyduck and use the lure drug, so I can claim enchantress when the time comes. When I suspect that I might be followed by someone who claimed detective, I'd like to make sure that it looks like I visited 2 targets. A deframe could be used to accomplish that (but apparently not here)

Let's say Charizard wants to blackmail someone and suspects a lookout will be watching that target, or a detective following him. He of course doesn't want to be seen, so we use a deframe to conceal him. Would that work?

Normally I'd also assume we could use a frame to make it look like someone else blackmailed the target, but apparently lookout frames are only for kills (and thus useless in such cases).

[FM Meowth]

Can we choose to NOT clean role with disguiser?
If so, can we forge a last will on him, meowth?

Meowth, I think if we made his last will something like: "I didn't visit anybody night one, so Gyrados is a liar. My guess is that he was being controlled by the Ventriloquist, or a Disguiser trying to get a misslynch before he disguises."

What do you guys think, meowth?

[FM Meowth]

Also, if deframing a Mafia member makes it seem like they didn't visit anybody at all, why don't we deframe the disguiser. It will look like he didn't visit anybody (sticks with day 1 story), and a lookout/detective won't be able to figuire out who the Disguiser is.
Unless I am unstanding wrong lol.

[FM Ferengi]

Ok. To make it simple I am going to Revamp the Framer. (wasn't explicitly stated in the Setup to it still falls under guidelines.)

Framer: (In addition to other rules)
May now do the following.

• Pick to frame who the target "visits" on allies.
• Enemies will still show up as visiting the killed player EACH night they were framed. (this includes detectives as well.)
• Pick to frame an ally as "visited no one".
• If not explicitly stated when framing an ally, I will NOT change who the ally appears to visit. (if they visited a target who was killed, they will appear as visited no one)

Does that cover all of your bases and questions?

[FM Meowth]

oh nvm disguiser doesn't even clean role.
Well let's do that and deframe him and I will write a last will on him, unless Disguiser can choose the last will already.

[FM Ferengi]

Can we choose to NOT clean role with disguiser?
If so, can we forge a last will on him, meowth?
Role is never cleaned when a disguiser disguises....
Yes you may forge last will!

fax

[FM Meowth]

Ok, well then, that's my 2 cents on what we should do tonight.
At any rate, I'm probably going to get lynched tomorrow, i'll try to survive 1 more day, but who knews.

[FM Squirtle]

Ok, so Meowth isn't jailed. That's good.. hopefully the jailor got Mewtwo, so Alakazam doesn't get blocked tonight.

Ok. To make it simple I am going to Revamp the Framer. (wasn't explicitly stated in the Setup to it still falls under guidelines.)

Framer: (In addition to other rules)
May now do the following.

• Pick to frame who the target "visits" on allies.
• Enemies will still show up as visiting the killed player EACH night they were framed. (this includes detectives as well.)
• Pick to frame an ally as "visited no one".
• If not explicitly stated when framing an ally, I will NOT change who the ally appears to visit. (if they visited a target who was killed, they will appear as visited no one)

Does that cover all of your bases and questions?

Yes it does, thanks!

Still some other questions though.

If our disguiser targets player X and successfully disguises, does it still show their original last will on "Alakazam's" corpse? Or can Alakazam leave a last will? Or doesn't it leave a last will at all?

What will a coroner see if they target a dead person that got disguised?
The persons role and last will and last target. (from the perspective of the real account)

I'm not entirely sure what you meant here. What's the real account? The original DISGUISER (i.e. the coroner sees who he disguised as) or the target from before it got disguised?


Oh and sorry I didn't disable invisible mode. If anyone asks, I will claim in day chat that I was asked to replace someone after day 1 and that I spent a long time reading / thinking about my actions. If I don't forget, I'll post in day chat with invisible mode off.

[FM Meowth]

If Ala can't leave a Last will on the dead body, i'll leave one for him.

[FM Squirtle]

I don't think Meowth can be saved either (sorry to say).

I think we have two options...

If we kill and disguise, people will know that Alakazam was a disguiser because there were 2 mafia kills and Meowth will surely get lynched. If we do this, one of us should take a leading role in getting Meowth lynched to take the most advantage of it. If I do this myself on Psyduck, I could claim I lured Meowth to myself, resulting in no cleaning. Near the end of day 1, I did make a post in which I said I was FOSing Meowth already.. so the lure would make sense. I can forge a last will for myself to give my claim credit. There's a risk that Haunter will know that I'm lying, but at this point I feel we won't get anywhere if we don't gamble and hope we win to make up for our losses.


The second option is to make a bold play and only use our disguise, but not our night kill. Then we could try to rely on doubt and Charizard discrediting Gyrados with his ventriloquisting, hoping that none of us gets lynched because the town doesn't know what to do. Problem here is that Pichu will rage about his silencing yesterday. But Gyrados (Charizard) could argue the same thing and say that his information from day 1 was all lies. This could work out wonderfully, but it only takes one smart player to speak up and say that the town can ignore both of the ventriloquist claims and that we should lynch Meowth anyway, because it will tell us whose story is true and it gets rid of a potential (likely) mafia member.

[FM Squirtle]

If Ala can't leave a Last will on the dead body, i'll leave one for him.

We may want to remove the last will on Pichu if we are to ventriloquist Gyrados, so that people won't suspect that we switched targets.

The truth is that even if Alakazam can't leave a last will of his own creation on his old body, the person he disguises will flip non-mafia and may have his own last will. That could be enough to cause some confusion about the lookout results, without removing that person's last will. And again, if we kill 2 people someone will probably be smart enough to point out that Alakazam was a disguiser regardless of us cleaning that person's last will. So we'll be better off cleaning the last will of our other kill target.

[FM Meowth]

why doesn't the disguiser kill pichu (so he can't talk), i'll make a last will for disguiser. Also, deframe the disguiser so it seems he didn't visit anybody.
Vent takes over Gyrados and pretends that he was controlled day 1, and squirtle can attempt to get me lynched.
With Gyrados now saying his d1 results were skewed, alakazham coming up town, and blastoise being jailed, I might be able to squeeze my way out of you trying to lynch me by saying you lured me, which isn't that great of an argument.
But, if I do get lynched, it will look great for squirtle, and he probably wouldn't be questioned for a while.

[FM Squirtle]

By the way, in my option 1 from 2 posts up, I meant we could use a last will cleaning/forgery to make it look like the janitor was not successful in cleaning anyone, which can be explained by me saying I lured him.

why doesn't the disguiser kill pichu (so he can't talk), i'll make a last will for disguiser. Also, deframe the disguiser so it seems he didn't visit anybody.
Vent takes over Gyrados and pretends that he was controlled day 1, and squirtle can attempt to get me lynched.
With Gyrados now saying his d1 results were skewed, alakazham coming up town, and blastoise being jailed, I might be able to squeeze my way out of you trying to lynch me by saying you lured me, which isn't that great of an argument.
But, if I do get lynched, it will look great for squirtle, and he probably wouldn't be questioned for a while.

That's actually a fairly sound plan. I like it..

I think Alakazam should be capable of taking over Charizard's "pop pop" spoiler facade

But then what do we do with that second kill? Use it? Not use it?

[FM Meowth]

It's probably best not to use it. I know that killing 2 town in 1 night is so beneficial, but we're kind of backed into a corner. We need to give up the 2 kills in 1 night as an attempt to confuse people and keep us alive longer.

If I live through tonight and tomorrow, we can kill the Lookout and i'll clean his role.

[FM Squirtle]

^Going with that plan above

We could throw sh*t at each other and control the day chat and have Gyrados (Charizard) and yourself (Meowth) arguing against Psyduck (me) and possibly some townies who are convinced that Meowth and Alakazam are scum. Whoever wins the debate, if a lynch is the result of it some of us will instantly look a lot more trustworthy. People generally don't expect the mafia to fabricate arguments between themselves in day chat... they expect us to sit back and hope we aren't found. Because that's what most mafia players do. Confusion is more fun though

(Oh and psyduck is our "enchantress," not squirtle. This dude is the grave robber)


Regardless of all that, we must consider the possibility that a vigilante shoots Meowth tonight (if they shoot Alakazam, Alakazam's disguise will happen first and there will be a double hit on his disguise target I think, if I read Blazer's explanation of the disguiser rules correctly). If that happens, we can just proceed as normal.

[FM Meowth]

What should I claim tomorrow do you think?
I could say I am detective:
N1 : FM jigglypuff -> FM magikarp
N2: lured : ??? -> FM Meowth

[FM Meowth]

I just think that if a coroner checks FM jiggly to see who isn't mafia, he can agree with what I stated

[FM Meowth]

Hmm to strengthen Psys story of enchantress, why don't we have DD drug repel on somebody

[FM Squirtle]

Not sure about that night 2. It seems a bit too convenient if you're supporting my supposed night action and just happened to follow jigglypuff as well. If you or I die and flip mafia, it'll be rather easy to figure out that all of those results were made up using inside information.

Another potential issue here is that if I am to claim that I lured you and use that to explain that you must be the janitor, I may have to bring up that I think Alakazam was a disguiser as well. Or that Blastoise and Mewtwo are lying and that Alakazam lied about not visiting Scyther too. Otherwise I'm acting on Gyrados' information and only believing half of it.. Then again, someone probably will mention Alakazam may have been a disguiser, regardless.

[FM Squirtle]

Hmm to strengthen Psys story of enchantress, why don't we have DD drug repel on somebody

Because a repel message only comes up if they actually visited me to begin with. I have to know that someone will target me for that to work.

[FM Squirtle]

Because a repel message only comes up if they actually visited me to begin with. I have to know that someone will target me for that to work.

That is, if Psy was a real enchantress

Using the drugs, they would get the repel message without having visited Psyduck. If I then go "I repelled that guy!" they will know right away I'm a drug dealer.

[FM Squirtle]

Maybe you could confirm lured if I claim doing so first. That could work without getting unnecessary suspicion on me.

Or you could go for a different claim altogether.. like coroner. You could say that Gyrados' result on you was false, because you submitted no night action OR tried to check someone who didn't die on the first night. Then on the second night, you checked Jigglypuff and saw who he visited.

Of course, that's a very common false claim for janitors and it might not work.

[FM Meowth]

I'm just going to claim doctor if someone asks and see what happens lmao

[FM Meowth]

Make your case to lynch me, I'll confirm I was lured and I will claim dr.

[FM Meowth]

Hmm just read your coroner suggestion.
Idno coroner when people think I'm janitor is soooo obvious, I'll get lynched for certain.

Instead, I'm going to claim something bizarre and completely unlikely... I'll look at the possible roles and decide

[FM Meowth]

Ooohhhh I have an idea, maybe.
If we use a drug on a town, I can claim that role to prove my innocence.
But honestly, it's probably best for Mafia if I just try to defend against you guys trying to lynch me lol.