A while ago..

[FYRE]

But if he made humans in his own image, does that mean he is unworthy of heaven as well?

Yes, if they don't sin then they are worthy of heaven. But his own image was defiled by Satan in the Garden of Eden, so the human race is fundamentally different to God in many ways.

[Archangel]

so because you think straight and have the braincapcity (larger then an ant) to overcome this prehistoric way of thinking you deserve to spend an infinity of time in torture?

if god existed he'd be quite the douche bag indeed

the only douche bag is u. you are making fun of my faith? you're a dick

hope u to go hell

[Damus_Graves]

God made all life on the earth, and by definition, a 'sin' is a direct refusal and insult to God, his works, and his love for the human race. Since God is everything good, i.e. the opposite of sin, he cannot BE evil, or have any evil facets of his personality. To allow someone who has directly rejected God's love and good works is to be an 'Unjust Judge', and letting a crime go unpunished. Unjustness is unholy, and since God is all that is Good, he cannot commit sin. As such he has no choice but to send people to Hell when they sin, for as most Protestants believe there is ONLY Hell or Heaven after death, all must go to one or the other.

I'm trying to find something to say.....

[Archangel]

so because you think straight and have the braincapcity (larger then an ant) to overcome this prehistoric way of thinking you deserve to spend an infinity of time in torture?

if god existed he'd be quite the douche bag indeed

also do u have any proof god does not exist???? i think not.

[FYRE]

the fact that people still believe in god is the proof that some people have not yet overcome the 2000 year old way of thinking, they had no science back then and no way of explaining the world. this seemed the most reasonable option.

Actually compared to most religions the Bible has remarkably few creation myths. The one creation myth in Genesis does not attempt to explain weather patterns or unexplainable phenomena from the ancient world. This is a marked difference from relgions such as Greek Pantheonism and Hinduism.

[Damus_Graves]

Yes, if they don't sin then they are worthy of heaven. But his own image was defiled by Satan in the Garden of Eden, so the human race is fundamentally different to God in many ways.

If this is true, why was God allowing Satan to twist the nature of Humans in the first place

[FYRE]

I'm trying to find something to say.....

Growing up in a Christian household, that's what I understand to be Protestantism's view on why he sends people to eternal torment. I won't take offence if you dis christianity at all tho, i dont personally believe it

[Archangel]

Growing up in a Christian household, that's what I understand to be Protestantism's view on why he sends people to eternal torment. I won't take offence if you dis christianity at all tho, i dont personally believe it

ur goin to hell. sry

all hail christianiata

[Damus_Graves]

i try not to diss religions and stick to discussions on validity.

[Archangel]

i try not to diss religions and stick to discussions on validity.

thank you for ur kindness, may god have mercy on your soul.

[FYRE]

If this is true, why was God allowing Satan to twist the nature of Humans in the first place

This is one of those things where ANY Christian will have a hard time answering. Yes, by allowing this God let ALL suffering in history take place. I don't believe anyone can give an adequate answer to why he allowed this to happen and why he didn't stop it. I presume a followup would be that if he can't prevent it, then he isn't omniscient, if he didn't want to prevent it, he's malicious, i.e. not God. Therefore following the line of reasoning that I've heard I believe that he could have stopped it, but didn't for some reason that NO ONE will know for a very long time.

[FYRE]

ALL HAIL BRITTANIA!
ALL HAIL LELOUCH!
btw he's alive

[Archangel]

ALL HAIL BRITTANIA!
ALL HAIL LELOUCH!
btw he's alive

what is brittania. its christianiata

[FYRE]

what is brittania. its christianiata

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[Damus_Graves]

This is one of those things where ANY Christian will have a hard time answering. Yes, by allowing this God let ALL suffering in history take place. I don't believe anyone can give an adequate answer to why he allowed this to happen and why he didn't stop it. I presume a followup would be that if he can't prevent it, then he isn't omniscient, if he didn't want to prevent it, he's malicious, i.e. not God. Therefore following the line of reasoning that I've heard I believe that he could have stopped it, but didn't for some reason that NO ONE will know for a very long time.

It is quite possible that He, knowing full well what was going to happen, allowed it to happen to relinquish unto the human race both free will and an aspect of morality. An ever lasting test of both faith and standards or principals(?) by which would test a persons worth of the gift of heaven.

[Archangel]

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[Chane]

a christian extremist once told me that one who tells another to go to hell goes to hell himself.

arch, I am not trying to make fun of your faith, I am mealy expressing my opinion on the matter

[FYRE]

a christian extremist once told me that one who tells another to go to hell goes to hell himself.

arch, I am not trying to make fun of your faith, I am mealy expressing my opinion on the matter

sorry, are you serious right now?

[Archangel]

a christian extremist once told me that one who tells another to go to hell goes to hell himself.

arch, I am not trying to make fun of your faith, I am mealy expressing my opinion on the matter

well you offended me when you said god doesnt exist. maybe keep your opnions to urself? \

words hurt the most

[Chane]

well you offended me when you said god doesnt exist. maybe keep your opnions to urself? \

words hurt the most

why would I keep this opinion to myself if you told me to go to hell for not believing in god?

[Damus_Graves]

a christian extremist once told me that one who tells another to go to hell goes to hell himself.

arch, I am not trying to make fun of your faith, I am mealy expressing my opinion on the matter

Im 10 and what is this

[FYRE]

It is quite possible that He, knowing full well what was going to happen, allowed it to happen to relinquish unto the human race both free will and an aspect of morality. An ever lasting test of both faith and standards or principals(?) by which would test a persons worth of the gift of heaven.

meh....
sure its a good reason for any human motivation.
but as God, allowing this to happen in turn allows EVERY rape, murder, kidnapping, mutilation, assault, etc. to occur. yes he wants to give humanity free will, but he already gave this to man, as shown by him allowing Adam to name all the animals as he pleased. it doesnt seem like he needed to cause the fall of man to let free will run its course. indeed free will is even worse once man is subject to sin.
and yes, it is an everlasting test of faith and principles, but to cause man to be subject to all possible evils on the basis of a 'test', seems inhumane and cruel, if this was the motivation then God is no god at all.

[Damus_Graves]

meh....
sure its a good reason for any human motivation.
but as God, allowing this to happen in turn allows EVERY rape, murder, kidnapping, mutilation, assault, etc. to occur. yes he wants to give humanity free will, but he already gave this to man, as shown by him allowing Adam to name all the animals as he pleased. it doesnt seem like he needed to cause the fall of man to let free will run its course. indeed free will is even worse once man is subject to sin.
and yes, it is an everlasting test of faith and principles, but to cause man to be subject to all possible evils on the basis of a 'test', seems inhumane and cruel, if this was the motivation then God is no god at all.

Which leads us back to the question of why. Since it is unanswerable in any way that would shine God in his previously cast light I wouldn't be too far off from saying that God is not as good as people proclaim.

[Dmpk]

well you offended me when you said god doesnt exist. maybe keep your opnions to urself? \

words hurt the most

But god does not exsist...

Science be praised.

[Chane]

Im 10 and what is this

I know forums where this sentence is insta-bannable lol

[FYRE]

Which leads us back to the question of why. Since it is unanswerable in any way that would shine God in his previously cast light I wouldn't be too far off from saying that God is not as good as people proclaim.

I don't think it's quite unanswerable, but for further discussion you kinda have to breach the topic of time/transcendence & metaphysical bullshit. I'd really enjoy talking about it but I'm way too fucking tired atm soz.

[Damus_Graves]

I don't think it's quite unanswerable, but for further discussion you kinda have to breach the topic of time/transcendence & metaphysical bullshit. I'd really enjoy talking about it but I'm way too fucking tired atm soz.

It's alright. Maybe later.

[BorkBot]

If (a) god does exist, such an entity might have a mindset that's totally different from that of us puny mortals. Even among ourselves our perception of morals and justification of actions shows vast differences. Who's to say how a god sees things?

It might not be for us to comprehend their motivations, but I rather like what Damus suggested regarding the possibility of letting people show their true nature. If no evil existed, good would have no real way of manifesting itself. Good is born from personal sacrifice and suffering for the sake of a greater cause, something that motivates people to try and make the world a better place and to improve the lives of others (even on a small scale). Without any cause to make a change, humanity is mostly left in a state of apathy. The world would be very peaceful indeed, but nobody would really care. Or have reason to believe in a god, for that matter.

And if a god needs the faithful to exist in order to exist himself.. that might be the reason god allowed evil to exist.

[Bruno]

Maybe it's somebody who has lived a life of lies, and returns to his simple town where nobody knows of all of his lies and "exploits"?

[Damus_Graves]

Maybe it's somebody who has lived a life of lies, and returns to his simple town where nobody knows of all of his lies and "exploits"?

I have grown to understand your obsession with me Bruno. I just want you to know it is alright and it doesnt make me think any less of you.

[FYRE]

bruno is cute

[Bruno]

bruno is cute

So r u bby i luv ur big chairs 152 of em

[FYRE]

changed it brohan

[Bruno]

changed it brohan

Smallchairs152 lolol

[FYRE]

NO NOT EVEN